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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 22, 2020 7:55:18 GMT
As I keep saying, if everyone would stop indulging in racism, name-calling and abuse, the board will improve for everyone. That obviously applies to everyone! However, in the last couple of pages on here, there has only been one person doing that, and, as always, it's your good self. It does look rather like double standards, again. So far we've had, "utter tool" (twice ), "hypocritical piece of vermin" (just the once, so far!), "vile individual", and references to my being autistic...Like I say, it's a shame but I honestly don't think you can help yourself I'm sure, like all the other threads you manage to turn into this kind of thing, this must be getting just as boring for everyone else as it is me, so just like the last time this happened (!) I'll let you have the last word once again and concentrate on what this thread is supposed to be about: Brexit. No doubt see you on another thread you've followed me onto for some abuse and name-calling at some point in the near future Bluers, I've just remembered your post we've been chinwagging about matey 😊 "You remind me of David Copeland" (I think that's word for word what you said). Ring any bells? Copeland was a far right terrorist who killed three people and injured over a hundred more in a series of London nailbombings in the late 90s. If you wanted to go down the rather immature route of comparing me with someone right wing, there are tons of candidates you could have gone for, but you settled on that one out of legions of others. Now I don't want to get too much into semantics but you can be equally abusive, it's just your insults are more surreptitious and underhand 😊 I'm not sure if your parents or teachers mentioned this when you were at school, but if you can't take it, don't dish it out 👍 Ah, yes, David Copeland, there's a blast from the dim and distant past, thank you for jogging my memory, clearly it's "spectrum-esque" quality isn't what it was! That said, I do recall the general context of the conversation. I'd put money on it being on the I Hate Muslims Cultural Enrichment thread, on which you were such a regular, enthusiastic and willing participant. Obviously, my failing autistic memory stands to be corrected, but my recollection from several years ago is that, presumably in response to the latest terrorist atrocity, you'd just provided an explanation of why some folk might be induced to take direct action themselves against muslims. To which I replied that that was essentially the justification that David Copeland had given for his actions. Not the same as "calling you a nailbomber", as you've whined about regularly ever since, but you are a bit prone to being "economical with the verite", as Alan Clark once said! As you rightly say, it does seem a strangely specific person to reference, when there are so many more obvious right-wing figures of hate to choose from. Clearly, the context mattered. Given your long and on-going history of almost unendingly critical comments towards "certain sections of society", shall we say, I wonder what could have prompted the link between someone who was seeking to explain away some direct action being taken against muslims, with someone who used similar justifications for taking direct action against another "section of society", in this case, gay people?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 22, 2020 7:57:24 GMT
We've had over 4 years to prepare businesses and ports like Harwich, Hull, Portsmouth, Southampton, Liverpool to take extra capacity and avoid giving the French the chance to choke off Calais. But we haven't. It's made getting a deal more important than it should've been. Only ourselves to blame. Talks are, unsurprisingly, back on. After Johnson had told businesses to prepare for no deal , at the meeting with business leaders yesterday he couldn't be arsed to stay for more than 15 minutes which just about gave him time to tell them there had been too much apathy from business. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54622190Why do they bother having these deadlines! I wouldn't be surprised if the outlines of a deal are agreed before Christmas, which both sides will declare as a 'victory' and then the details are quietly thrashed out later when all the attention has moved on.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 22, 2020 8:32:23 GMT
Remember for bad or worse if parliment had come together and respected and enacted the original vote with gusto we wouldn’t not be in this position now.
Every party most MPs did their best to thwart it in collusion with the EU
this shower is on all of them
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 22, 2020 8:39:59 GMT
Remember for bad or worse if parliment had come together and respected and enacted the original vote with gusto we wouldn’t not be in this position now. Every party most MPs did their best to thwart it in collusion with the EU this shower is on all of them The Tories called the referendum purely to avoid a damaging internal party split The Tory govt lost the referendum The Tory government effectively resigned A new Tory leadership took over and called an election That Tory government threw away their majority because people voted, amongst other things, to thwart Brexit (Kensington, Labour? Canterbury, Labour?) Years of political paralysis followed while the new majority-less govt failed to get its Withdrawal Deal approved by the parliament people voted for The Tory leadership resigned A new Tory leadership took over, promising to leave the EU by October 31 The new Tory leadership didn't leave the EU by October 31 The new leadership called and won an election based on getting Brexit done and here's my fabulous new oven-ready deal (essentially same old May deal) The Tory govt then decided its fabulous new oven-ready deal wasn't so great after all and needed to break the law to avoid it The Tory govt continues to struggle towards Dec 31, so far without a trade deal Yes, it's all everybody else's fault...
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 22, 2020 8:48:55 GMT
Remember for bad or worse if parliment had come together and respected and enacted the original vote with gusto we wouldn’t not be in this position now. Every party most MPs did their best to thwart it in collusion with the EU this shower is on all of them The Tories called the referendum purely to avoid a damaging internal party split The Tory govt lost the referendum The Tory government effectively resigned A new Tory leadership took over and called an election That Tory government threw away their majority because people voted, amongst other things, to thwart Brexit (Kensington, Labour? Canterbury, Labour?) Years of political paralysis followed while the new majority-less govt failed to get its Withdrawal Deal approved by the parliament people voted for The Tory leadership resigned A new Tory leadership took over, promising to leave the EU by October 31 The new Tory leadership didn't leave the EU by October 31 The new leadership called and won an election based on getting Brexit done and here's my fabulous new oven-ready deal (essentially same old May deal) The Tory govt then decided its fabulous new oven-ready deal wasn't so great after all and needed to break the law to avoid it The Tory govt continues to struggle towards Dec 31, so far without a trade deal Yes, it's all everybody else's fault... Pretty much everything above is bullshit. Let’s take the first one for example.... are you aware that both Labour and the Lib Dem’s had manifesto commitments to holding a referendum on membership of the EU (Labour of course reneged on that commitment when elected). The Tories were actually the last major UK party to commit to one.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 22, 2020 9:03:11 GMT
The Tories called the referendum purely to avoid a damaging internal party split The Tory govt lost the referendum The Tory government effectively resigned A new Tory leadership took over and called an election That Tory government threw away their majority because people voted, amongst other things, to thwart Brexit (Kensington, Labour? Canterbury, Labour?) Years of political paralysis followed while the new majority-less govt failed to get its Withdrawal Deal approved by the parliament people voted for The Tory leadership resigned A new Tory leadership took over, promising to leave the EU by October 31 The new Tory leadership didn't leave the EU by October 31 The new leadership called and won an election based on getting Brexit done and here's my fabulous new oven-ready deal (essentially same old May deal) The Tory govt then decided its fabulous new oven-ready deal wasn't so great after all and needed to break the law to avoid it The Tory govt continues to struggle towards Dec 31, so far without a trade deal Yes, it's all everybody else's fault... Pretty much everything above is bullshit. Let’s take the first one for example.... are you aware that both Labour and the Lib Dem’s had manifesto commitments to holding a referendum on membership of the EU (Labour of course reneged on that commitment when elected). The Tories were actually the last major UK party to commit to one. Well, it clearly isn't Who called the referendum? And yes, you're right, Labour did renege on that commitment, thus potentially avoiding the shitshow we're now enjoying...
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 22, 2020 9:07:03 GMT
Pretty much everything above is bullshit. Let’s take the first one for example.... are you aware that both Labour and the Lib Dem’s had manifesto commitments to holding a referendum on membership of the EU (Labour of course reneged on that commitment when elected). The Tories were actually the last major UK party to commit to one. Well, it clearly isn't Who called the referendum? Based on manifesto commitments... Labour should have called it but didn’t. The Lib Dem’s would have called it but couldn’t. The Tories actually did it.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 22, 2020 9:08:36 GMT
Pretty much everything above is bullshit. Let’s take the first one for example.... are you aware that both Labour and the Lib Dem’s had manifesto commitments to holding a referendum on membership of the EU (Labour of course reneged on that commitment when elected). The Tories were actually the last major UK party to commit to one. Well, it clearly isn't Who called the referendum? It is a positive that the Tory government called the referendum. The UK membership of the EU isn't a party political issue. That's where the Left fundamentally started to get everything else wrong re the EU.( Brexit...The main thing that Corbyn was passionate about, The thing that the electorate believed in and agreed with him...the major current political issue.....and Labour somehow managed to cock it up) One reason that we have ( and have had) a Tory government is because the alternatives seemed worse to the electorate. This government has a large majority because they were the only ( realistically electable) party who promised to deliver on Brexit.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 22, 2020 9:22:56 GMT
The Tories called the referendum purely to avoid a damaging internal party split The Tory govt lost the referendum The Tory government effectively resigned A new Tory leadership took over and called an election That Tory government threw away their majority because people voted, amongst other things, to thwart Brexit (Kensington, Labour? Canterbury, Labour?) Years of political paralysis followed while the new majority-less govt failed to get its Withdrawal Deal approved by the parliament people voted for The Tory leadership resigned A new Tory leadership took over, promising to leave the EU by October 31 The new Tory leadership didn't leave the EU by October 31 The new leadership called and won an election based on getting Brexit done and here's my fabulous new oven-ready deal (essentially same old May deal) The Tory govt then decided its fabulous new oven-ready deal wasn't so great after all and needed to break the law to avoid it The Tory govt continues to struggle towards Dec 31, so far without a trade deal Yes, it's all everybody else's fault... Pretty much everything above is bullshit. Let’s take the first one for example.... are you aware that both Labour and the Lib Dem’s had manifesto commitments to holding a referendum on membership of the EU (Labour of course reneged on that commitment when elected). The Tories were actually the last major UK party to commit to one. Exactly It was a parliment as a whole problem. Regardless as soon as leave win and Cameron quit all of parliment should have come together to enact the will of the people
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Post by salopstick on Oct 22, 2020 9:23:55 GMT
Pretty much everything above is bullshit. Let’s take the first one for example.... are you aware that both Labour and the Lib Dem’s had manifesto commitments to holding a referendum on membership of the EU (Labour of course reneged on that commitment when elected). The Tories were actually the last major UK party to commit to one. Well, it clearly isn't Who called the referendum? And yes, you're right, Labour did renege on that commitment, thus potentially avoiding the shitshow we're now enjoying... So a shit show they helped to cause then Can’t have it both ways
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 22, 2020 9:25:39 GMT
Well, it clearly isn't Who called the referendum? It is a positive that the Tory government called the referendum. The UK membership of the EU isn't a party political issue. That's where the Left start to get everything else wrong re the EU. . One reason that we have ( and have had) a Tory government is because the alternatives seemed worse to the election. This government has a large majority because they were the only ( realistically electable) party who promised to deliver on Brexit. Not forgetting both Labour and the Tories committed in the 2017 to deliver Brexit (although they had different ideas of what that should look like). Only the LibDems proposed a second referendum. Labour’s subsequent shape-shifting on Brexit typified by the current leader is undoubtedly what was behind the collapse of their vote in the north. As you say, the Tory victory was based on their commitment to Get Brexit Done which had appeal that went beyond traditional party lines.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 22, 2020 10:03:31 GMT
Well, it clearly isn't Who called the referendum? Based on manifesto commitments... Labour should have called it but didn’t. The Lib Dem’s would have called it but couldn’t. The Tories actually did it. Which is what I said! The Tories called the referendum...which you said was wrong...
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Post by thevoid on Oct 22, 2020 10:07:32 GMT
Bluers, I've just remembered your post we've been chinwagging about matey 😊 "You remind me of David Copeland" (I think that's word for word what you said). Ring any bells? Copeland was a far right terrorist who killed three people and injured over a hundred more in a series of London nailbombings in the late 90s. If you wanted to go down the rather immature route of comparing me with someone right wing, there are tons of candidates you could have gone for, but you settled on that one out of legions of others. Now I don't want to get too much into semantics but you can be equally abusive, it's just your insults are more surreptitious and underhand 😊 I'm not sure if your parents or teachers mentioned this when you were at school, but if you can't take it, don't dish it out 👍 Ah, yes, David Copeland, there's a blast from the dim and distant past, thank you for jogging my memory, clearly it's "spectrum-esque" quality isn't what it was! That said, I do recall the general context of the conversation. I'd put money on it being on the I Hate Muslims Cultural Enrichment thread, on which you were such a regular, enthusiastic and willing participant. Obviously, my failing autistic memory stands to be corrected, but my recollection from several years ago is that, presumably in response to the latest terrorist atrocity, you'd just provided an explanation of why some folk might be induced to take direct action themselves against muslims. To which I replied that that was essentially the justification that David Copeland had given for his actions. Not the same as "calling you a nailbomber", as you've whined about regularly ever since, but you are a bit prone to being "economical with the verite", as Alan Clark once said! As you rightly say, it does seem a strangely specific person to reference, when there are so many more obvious right-wing figures of hate to choose from. Clearly, the context mattered. Given your long and on-going history of almost unendingly critical comments towards "certain sections of society", shall we say, I wonder what could have prompted the link between someone who was seeking to explain away some direct action being taken against muslims, with someone who used similar justifications for taking direct action against another "section of society", in this case, gay people? Good to see your memory's come back. That's quite the essay for someone who couldn't remember what we were discussing a day ago! You were being coy all along (I knew you were) 😆 I think you'll find that the context (I know you're a stickler for this) of my comments is as follows: the Left regularly explain away terrorist attacks by citing our foreign policy (every action has a reaction etc) and I was stating that, likewise, some people would look for scapegoats amongst the Muslim community (just as some Irish in the UK were targeted after an IRA attack during the Troubles) as a reaction. It's not right, but it's an inevitable consequence- a further example of an action producing a reaction. More recent examples would be Sunday's incident at the Eiffel Tower in the wake of the beheading, and the UK police coming under attack for, bizarrely, something that happened in the US. It is unfortunate that innocent Muslims (the majority) had to suffer repercussions over terrorist attacks they had no part in, just as the innocents on London Bridge or at the MEN Arena had nothing to do with the UK's foreign policy. You're reasonably intelligent, it's not hard to grasp, surely? 🤔 I've condemned racism many, many times on here and distanced myself from some of the more extreme elements more than once. But I'll also condemn the one-eyed viewpoints and cancel culture emanating from certain elements of the Left (yourself being a prime example). Hence my natural place politically is in the centre right. Oh, and I didn't call you autistic, Frilly Knickers 😆 I think you'll find that the word was 'spectrumesque'. Do you know what 'esque' means, Bluers? It means 'resembling' or 'in the style of'. That is, your memory skills (that only seem to work when it's convenient) 'resemble' someone on the spectrum- I didn't say you were on the spectrum (I've no idea if you are or not). But you do have a weird fixation with, and photographic recall of, posts made years ago by certain people you disagree with, which would suggest some lack of social skills (alongside your complete lack of self-awareness). Yet when asked about Left Wing Club posting abuse barely days/weeks ago, your forgetfulness/myopia suddenly kick in! I did call you a tool and a vile individual (small beer compared with being bracketed alongside a terrorist and murderer!). Those are subjective terms and my opinion of you I'm afraid, based on how you carry yourself on here. Beyond The Oatcake you might be a brilliant guy to know, doing charity works and helping old ladies cross the street, but I don't get to see that. I see an arrogant and one-eyed individual who accuses others of doing exactly what you yourself are guilty of 😊 Finally, regarding your other post, don't flatter yourself that I follow you around the board. If I'm reading these threads and spot that you've made a laughable comment that needs challenging (a highly likely event), I'll call you out on it. That's what forums are for, and I have every right to do so matey. Have a great day. As you were 👍
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 22, 2020 10:10:33 GMT
Well, it clearly isn't Who called the referendum? And yes, you're right, Labour did renege on that commitment, thus potentially avoiding the shitshow we're now enjoying... So a shit show they helped to cause then Can’t have it both ways But the Tories didn't have to call the referendum! They chose to do so, which is what I said. Hence, it was their decision to do so that has landed the country in the mess that it is now in. Besides, I'm sure there are plenty of manifesto pledges they (and other Parties) have broken down the years, not least their latest around the Withdrawal Agreement, which every Conservative Prospective Parliamentary Candidate had to sign up to on pain of deselection! You can't play the upstanding manifesto observer when it suits and ignore it when it doesn't. All of the mess that we're in is as a result of calling that referendum and the decisions they took around elections, DUP deals, the WA they negotiated, the WA they subsequently renegotiated and sold to the House and are now breaking the law to ignore and the ongoing trade negotiations. What next, it's not the Tories' fault that Test and Trace is a bit shit or that our response to the coronavirus has been one of the worst in Europe?
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Post by salopstick on Oct 22, 2020 10:20:46 GMT
So a shit show they helped to cause then Can’t have it both ways But the Tories didn't have to call the referendum! They chose to do so, which is what I said. Hence, it was their decision to do so that has landed the country in the mess that it is now in. Besides, I'm sure there are plenty of manifesto pledges they (and other Parties) have broken down the years, not least their latest around the Withdrawal Agreement, which every Conservative Prospective Parliamentary Candidate had to sign up to on pain of deselection! You can't play the upstanding manifesto observer when it suits and ignore it when it doesn't. All of the mess that we're in is as a result of calling that referendum and the decisions they took around elections, DUP deals, the WA they negotiated, the WA they subsequently renegotiated and sold to the House and are now breaking the law to ignore and the ongoing trade negotiations. What next, it's not the Tories' fault that Test and Trace is a bit shit or that our response to the coronavirus has been one of the worst in Europe? Corona is all on Boris They did not have to call the referendum but it was put in place in the manifesto because people wanted it in there. They were frustrated by Blair and browns broken promise of a referendum. The tories wanted to put the debate to bed and the only way of doing that was by a vote Only they thought they would win They lost Parliment then tried every trick to over turn or thwart it. Failed again. It ruined May and led to Boris. So much time wasted hence the deadline we face now
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 22, 2020 10:25:14 GMT
Ah, yes, David Copeland, there's a blast from the dim and distant past, thank you for jogging my memory, clearly it's "spectrum-esque" quality isn't what it was! That said, I do recall the general context of the conversation. I'd put money on it being on the I Hate Muslims Cultural Enrichment thread, on which you were such a regular, enthusiastic and willing participant. Obviously, my failing autistic memory stands to be corrected, but my recollection from several years ago is that, presumably in response to the latest terrorist atrocity, you'd just provided an explanation of why some folk might be induced to take direct action themselves against muslims. To which I replied that that was essentially the justification that David Copeland had given for his actions. Not the same as "calling you a nailbomber", as you've whined about regularly ever since, but you are a bit prone to being "economical with the verite", as Alan Clark once said! As you rightly say, it does seem a strangely specific person to reference, when there are so many more obvious right-wing figures of hate to choose from. Clearly, the context mattered. Given your long and on-going history of almost unendingly critical comments towards "certain sections of society", shall we say, I wonder what could have prompted the link between someone who was seeking to explain away some direct action being taken against muslims, with someone who used similar justifications for taking direct action against another "section of society", in this case, gay people? Good to see your memory's come back. That's quite the essay for someone who couldn't remember what we were discussing a day ago! You were being coy all along (I knew you were) 😆 I think you'll find that the context (I know you're a stickler for this) of my comments is a follows: the Left regularly explain away terrorist attacks by citing our foreign policy (every action has a reaction etc) and I was stating that, likewise, some people would look for scapegoats amongst the Muslim community (just as some Irish in the UK were targeted after an IRA attack during the Troubles) as a reaction. It's not right, but it's an inevitable consequence- a further example of an action producing a reaction. More recent examples would be Sunday's incident at the Eiffel Tower in the wake of the beheading, and the UK police coming under attack for, bizarrely, something that happened in the US. It is unfortunate that innocent Muslims (the majority) had to suffer repercussions over terrorist attacks they had no part in, just as the innocents on London Bridge or at the MEN Arena had nothing to do with the UK's foreign policy. You're reasonably intelligent, it's not hard to grasp, surely? 🤔 I've condemned racism many, many times on here and distanced myself from some of the more extreme elements more than once. But I'll also condemn the one-eyed viewpoints and cancel culture emanating from certain elements of the Left (yourself being a prime example). Hence my natural place politically is in the centre right. Oh, and I didn't call you autistic, Frilly Knickers 😆 I think you'll find that the word was 'spectrumesque'. Do you know what 'esque' means, Bluers? It means 'resembling' or 'in the style of'. That is, your memory skills (that only seem to work when it's convenient) 'resemble' someone on the spectrum- I didn't say you were on the spectrum (I've no idea if you are or not). But you do have a weird fixation with, and photographic recall of, posts made years ago by certain people you disagree with, which would suggest some lack of social skills (alongside your complete lack of self-awareness). Yet when asked about Left Wing Club posting abuse barely days/weeks ago, your forgetfulness/myopia suddenly kick in! I did call you a tool and a vile individual (small beer compared with being bracketed alongside a terrorist and murderer!). Those are subjective terms and my opinion of you I'm afraid, based on how you carry yourself on here. Beyond The Oatcake you might be a brilliant guy to know, doing charity works and helping old ladies cross the street, but I don't get to see that. I see an arrogant and one eyed individual who accuses others of doing exactly what you yourself are guilty of 😊 Finally, regarding your other post, don't flatter yourself that I follow you around the board. If I'm reading these threads and spot that you've made a laughable comment (a highly likely event), I will call you out on it. That's what forums are for, and I have every right to do so matey. Have a great day. As you were 👍 Quite the essay, he says, doubling its length by way of reply! At least, we've made some progress in establishing that I didn't in fact call you a nailbomber, as I said all along. Once again, that doesn't surprise me in the slightest! I've no idea what your second para is about, I was just giving you the context of the nailbomber stuff on the I Hate Muslims thread you've been whining about for years! You can wriggle as much as you like, but for someone with such an easy way with name-calling, insults, abuse, "fun with autism" and, how shall we put it, consistently "interesting views on race" as demonstrated to some considerable extent on the I Hate Muslims thread, amongst many others, the above context sounds all too realistic, doesn't it! I've said it many times, but I don't think you can help yourself! I'm sure your (already freely admitted) approach of following me around the board like a yapping poodle is just as tedious for everyone else as it is for me!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 22, 2020 10:30:13 GMT
But the Tories didn't have to call the referendum! They chose to do so, which is what I said. Hence, it was their decision to do so that has landed the country in the mess that it is now in. Besides, I'm sure there are plenty of manifesto pledges they (and other Parties) have broken down the years, not least their latest around the Withdrawal Agreement, which every Conservative Prospective Parliamentary Candidate had to sign up to on pain of deselection! You can't play the upstanding manifesto observer when it suits and ignore it when it doesn't. All of the mess that we're in is as a result of calling that referendum and the decisions they took around elections, DUP deals, the WA they negotiated, the WA they subsequently renegotiated and sold to the House and are now breaking the law to ignore and the ongoing trade negotiations. What next, it's not the Tories' fault that Test and Trace is a bit shit or that our response to the coronavirus has been one of the worst in Europe? Corona is all on Boris They did not have to call the referendum but it was put in place in the manifesto because people wanted it in there. They were frustrated by Blair and browns broken promise of a referendum. The tories wanted to put the debate to bed and the only way of doing that was by a vote Only they thought they would win They lost Parliment then tried every trick to over turn or thwart it. Failed again. It ruined May and led to Boris. So much time wasted hence the deadline we face now Yes, so pretty much all of it comes back to the Tories in the end. Their decisions to act, lose, call elections, lose majorities, bribe the DUP, call other elections, fail to get their own MPs to back legislation, resign, produce WAs, break WAs etc etc. That's what I said, basically. I mean, you can say they did it all with the best intentions and the highest moral ethics if you wish, I've no problem with that, but don't try to pretend it wasn't almost entirely their doing that we are where we are. I understand that you don't want it to be the case, but I'm pretty sure you'd be saying the exact same thing if it wasn't the Tories in power...
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Post by thevoid on Oct 22, 2020 11:18:31 GMT
Good to see your memory's come back. That's quite the essay for someone who couldn't remember what we were discussing a day ago! You were being coy all along (I knew you were) 😆 I think you'll find that the context (I know you're a stickler for this) of my comments is a follows: the Left regularly explain away terrorist attacks by citing our foreign policy (every action has a reaction etc) and I was stating that, likewise, some people would look for scapegoats amongst the Muslim community (just as some Irish in the UK were targeted after an IRA attack during the Troubles) as a reaction. It's not right, but it's an inevitable consequence- a further example of an action producing a reaction. More recent examples would be Sunday's incident at the Eiffel Tower in the wake of the beheading, and the UK police coming under attack for, bizarrely, something that happened in the US. It is unfortunate that innocent Muslims (the majority) had to suffer repercussions over terrorist attacks they had no part in, just as the innocents on London Bridge or at the MEN Arena had nothing to do with the UK's foreign policy. You're reasonably intelligent, it's not hard to grasp, surely? 🤔 I've condemned racism many, many times on here and distanced myself from some of the more extreme elements more than once. But I'll also condemn the one-eyed viewpoints and cancel culture emanating from certain elements of the Left (yourself being a prime example). Hence my natural place politically is in the centre right. Oh, and I didn't call you autistic, Frilly Knickers 😆 I think you'll find that the word was 'spectrumesque'. Do you know what 'esque' means, Bluers? It means 'resembling' or 'in the style of'. That is, your memory skills (that only seem to work when it's convenient) 'resemble' someone on the spectrum- I didn't say you were on the spectrum (I've no idea if you are or not). But you do have a weird fixation with, and photographic recall of, posts made years ago by certain people you disagree with, which would suggest some lack of social skills (alongside your complete lack of self-awareness). Yet when asked about Left Wing Club posting abuse barely days/weeks ago, your forgetfulness/myopia suddenly kick in! I did call you a tool and a vile individual (small beer compared with being bracketed alongside a terrorist and murderer!). Those are subjective terms and my opinion of you I'm afraid, based on how you carry yourself on here. Beyond The Oatcake you might be a brilliant guy to know, doing charity works and helping old ladies cross the street, but I don't get to see that. I see an arrogant and one eyed individual who accuses others of doing exactly what you yourself are guilty of 😊 Finally, regarding your other post, don't flatter yourself that I follow you around the board. If I'm reading these threads and spot that you've made a laughable comment (a highly likely event), I will call you out on it. That's what forums are for, and I have every right to do so matey. Have a great day. As you were 👍 Quite the essay, he says, doubling its length by way of reply! At least, we've made some progress in establishing that I didn't in fact call you a nailbomber, as I said all along. Once again, that doesn't surprise me in the slightest! I've no idea what your second para is about, I was just giving you the context of the nailbomber stuff on the I Hate Muslims thread you've been whining about for years! You can wriggle as much as you like, but for someone with such an easy way with name-calling, insults, abuse, "fun with autism" and, how shall we put it, consistently "interesting views on race" as demonstrated to some considerable extent on the I Hate Muslims thread, amongst many others, the above context sounds all too realistic, doesn't it! I've said it many times, but I don't think you can help yourself! I'm sure your (already freely admitted) approach of following me around the board like a yapping poodle is just as tedious for everyone else as it is for me! I think I may have overestimated your intelligence. This is my final reply on the matter as I'm getting bored now, so if you reply back I'll satisfy your craving to get the last word in as we're rapidly approaching 'going around in circles' territory! I said 'quite the essay' as you went from someone who claimed not to know what I was referring to, to suddenly producing reams on the topic. As for my lengthy reply, I've every right to defend myself and counter your rambling accusations towards me. The second para is context regarding my comments in the Muslim thread you have an unhealthy fixation with. You mentioned that I posted in the thread, I'm explaining the context of those posts. Again, I've every right to do so in the Bluers kangaroo court 😆 You did compare me with a nailbomber. The fact that you did this in a roundabout, underhand way is irrelevant, the aim was the same. Let's just agree that you did that and I suggested you may be on the spectrum. Semantics. You can't moan about someone employing the same tactics against you when you've used them yourself (and I think I'd rather be autistic than a multiple murderer, but hey ho) 🤔 I'm not sure if your myopia is extending to basic reading skills, but I admitted nothing of the kind re: following you around the board. In fact, I said quite the opposite- that I don't. As you do appear regularly on the EE side of the board (but rarely on the football part), chances are I'm going to stumble upon one of your contributions. If you feel that I pick you up on a lot of your posts, perhaps it's because you seem to post a lot of nonsense? You're perfectly free to counter back, that's what messageboards are for (or maybe you should take the advice you've given to FYD and take a break from social media if alternate opinions are a stumbling block for you?) 😊 As for your paranoid ramblings about me following you around, I'll have to class that as a similar delusion to your obsessions with gangs and clubs on The Oatcake (that even your fellow lefties have written off as nonsense). Anyway, to reiterate, I will not be replying further regarding this matter. I've said my piece.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Oct 22, 2020 11:42:56 GMT
Remember for bad or worse if parliment had come together and respected and enacted the original vote with gusto we wouldn’t not be in this position now. Every party most MPs did their best to thwart it in collusion with the EU this shower is on all of them It's on those who voted forit . You won so own it.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 22, 2020 11:57:34 GMT
Corona is all on Boris They did not have to call the referendum but it was put in place in the manifesto because people wanted it in there. They were frustrated by Blair and browns broken promise of a referendum. The tories wanted to put the debate to bed and the only way of doing that was by a vote Only they thought they would win They lost Parliment then tried every trick to over turn or thwart it. Failed again. It ruined May and led to Boris. So much time wasted hence the deadline we face now Yes, so pretty much all of it comes back to the Tories in the end. Their decisions to act, lose, call elections, lose majorities, bribe the DUP, call other elections, fail to get their own MPs to back legislation, resign, produce WAs, break WAs etc etc. That's what I said, basically. I mean, you can say they did it all with the best intentions and the highest moral ethics if you wish, I've no problem with that, but don't try to pretend it wasn't almost entirely their doing that we are where we are. I understand that you don't want it to be the case, but I'm pretty sure you'd be saying the exact same thing if it wasn't the Tories in power... I understand that you also don’t want to make labours failiure to offer a referendum they promised link with the Tory keeping their promise regardless of what’s happening now I get it
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 22, 2020 12:01:19 GMT
Remember for bad or worse if parliment had come together and respected and enacted the original vote with gusto we wouldn’t not be in this position now. Every party most MPs did their best to thwart it in collusion with the EU this shower is on all of them It's on those who voted forit . You won so own it. I am very happy to " own " the consequences of voting for Brexit. Much of the shenanigans, delay , lack of direction following the result is down to those who resisted democracy, inside and outside Parliament, of all and no political parties and the EU.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 22, 2020 12:09:05 GMT
Quite the essay, he says, doubling its length by way of reply! At least, we've made some progress in establishing that I didn't in fact call you a nailbomber, as I said all along. Once again, that doesn't surprise me in the slightest! I've no idea what your second para is about, I was just giving you the context of the nailbomber stuff on the I Hate Muslims thread you've been whining about for years! You can wriggle as much as you like, but for someone with such an easy way with name-calling, insults, abuse, "fun with autism" and, how shall we put it, consistently "interesting views on race" as demonstrated to some considerable extent on the I Hate Muslims thread, amongst many others, the above context sounds all too realistic, doesn't it! I've said it many times, but I don't think you can help yourself! I'm sure your (already freely admitted) approach of following me around the board like a yapping poodle is just as tedious for everyone else as it is for me! I think I may have overestimated your intelligence. This is my final reply on the matter as I'm getting bored now, so if you reply back I'll satisfy your craving to get the last word in as we're rapidly approaching 'going around in circles' territory! I said 'quite the essay' as you went from someone who claimed not to know what I was referring to, to suddenly producing reams on the topic. As for my lengthy reply, I've every right to defend myself and counter your rambling accusations towards me. The second para is context regarding my comments in the Muslim thread you have an unhealthy fixation with. You mentioned that I posted in the thread, I'm explaining the context of those posts. Again, I've every right to do so in the Bluers kangaroo court 😆 You did compare me with a nailbomber. The fact that you did this in a roundabout, underhand way is irrelevant, the aim was the same. Let's just agree that you did that and I suggested you may be on the spectrum. Semantics. You can't moan about someone employing the same tactics against you when you've used them yourself (and I think I'd rather be autistic than a multiple murderer, but hey ho) 🤔 I'm not sure if your myopia is extending to basic reading skills, but I admitted nothing of the kind re: following you around the board. In fact, I said quite the opposite- that I don't. As you do appear regularly on the EE side of the board (but rarely on the football part), chances are I'm going to stumble upon one of your contributions. If you feel that I pick you up on a lot of your posts, perhaps it's because you seem to post a lot of nonsense? You're perfectly free to counter back, that's what messageboards are for (or maybe you should take the advice you've given to FYD and take a break from social media if alternate opinions are a stumbling block for you?) 😊 As for your paranoid ramblings about me following you around, I'll have to class that as a similar delusion to your obsessions with gangs and clubs on The Oatcake (that even your fellow lefties have written off as nonsense). Anyway, to reiterate, I will not be replying further regarding this matter. I've said my piece. I'll just leave this here, so that everyone can see the rest of it is probably self-contradictory bollocks, too! I only 'follow you around' to expose your hypocrisy and you are incapable of giving a balanced and logical counter-argument to anything I call you out on. See you next time, Voidy
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Post by salopstick on Oct 22, 2020 12:11:12 GMT
It's on those who voted forit . You won so own it. I am very happy to " own " the consequences of voting for Brexit. Much of the shenanigans, delay , lack of direction following the result is down to those who resisted democracy, inside and outside Parliament, of all and no political parties and the EU. Remainers don’t like that last paragraph even though it’s true
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 22, 2020 12:25:35 GMT
I am very happy to " own " the consequences of voting for Brexit. Much of the shenanigans, delay , lack of direction following the result is down to those who resisted democracy, inside and outside Parliament, of all and no political parties and the EU. Remainers don’t like that last paragraph even though it’s true You gotta love Tories and Brexiteers, always somebody else's fault... I see Gove was blaming business recently, "the biggest potential cause of disruption is traders not being ready for controls implemented by EU member states on 1 January 2021". The government is yet to produce the IT systems required to handle the 200 million extra customs declarations required each year, but never mind, it's the traders who are to blame...
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 22, 2020 12:30:20 GMT
I am very happy to " own " the consequences of voting for Brexit. Much of the shenanigans, delay , lack of direction following the result is down to those who resisted democracy, inside and outside Parliament, of all and no political parties and the EU. Remainers don’t like that last paragraph even though it’s true Wrong. Remoaners don’t like it. There’s a difference.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 22, 2020 12:38:16 GMT
Stop blaming everybody else
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Post by thevoid on Oct 22, 2020 12:58:02 GMT
Point proven 😆
Anyway, back to Brexit!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 22, 2020 14:07:54 GMT
Anyway, to reiterate, I will not be replying further regarding this matter. I've said my piece. Point proven 😆 Anyway, back to Brexit! And you'll not be following me round the board either
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Post by thevoid on Oct 22, 2020 14:58:59 GMT
I think some people are too thick to recognise the difference between replying directly to a post (by using the quote function) and making a separate post that isn't a direct reply to them 😆
Perhaps rednwhitenblah can take his own advice and drop me a PM if he wishes to continue his childish pursuit of the final word. Even better, he may grow up and realise that I don't 'follow him around the board' (hence my use of apostrophes for words that he used- I actually blocked him years ago ironically enough) but will continue to call him out and challenge him if I spot a post of his that is hypocritical bollocks (it is a public discussion forum after all). Any post I see of his is when he's been requoted.
Stalkers, gangs and clubs- I never knew The Oatcake was so exciting 😎
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 22, 2020 17:08:24 GMT
I think some people are too thick to recognise the difference between replying directly to a post (by using the quote function) and making a separate post that isn't a direct reply to them 😆 Perhaps rednwhitenblah can take his own advice and drop me a PM if he wishes to continue his childish pursuit of the final word. Even better, he may grow up and realise that I don't 'follow him around the board' (hence my use of apostrophes for words that he used- I actually blocked him years ago ironically enough) but will continue to call him out and challenge him if I spot a post of his that is hypocritical bollocks (it is a public discussion forum after all). Any post I see of his is when he's been requoted. Stalkers, gangs and clubs- I never knew The Oatcake was so exciting 😎 walkies...
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