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Post by partickpotter on Oct 21, 2020 10:51:44 GMT
Back to the EU. I’m going to miss them (spending my money!) taking on the big issues of the day... EU asks: Is a vegetarian sausage really a sausage?I’d laugh if it wasn’t so daft. Of course, the serious point here is Europe pandering to self interested lobby groups trying to use legislation to restrict competition. Be interesting to see how this works out... farmers v vegans. The likely resolution (of course) is another bung to farmers to compensate them for allowing vegan sausages to continue being called sausages (in case anyone was confused that a vegan sausage was not the same thing as a “regular” sausage).
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 21, 2020 11:02:17 GMT
Back to the EU. I’m going to miss them (spending my money!) taking on the big issues of the day... EU asks: Is a vegetarian sausage really a sausage?I’d laugh if it wasn’t so daft. Of course, the serious point here is Europe pandering to self interested lobby groups trying to use legislation to restrict competition. Be interesting to see how this works out... farmers v vegans. The likely resolution (of course) is another bung to farmers to compensate them for allowing vegan sausages to continue being called sausages (in case anyone was confused that a vegan sausage was not the same thing as a “regular” sausage). I’m more interested in the degree of curvature allowed in European sausages as compared to British sausages
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Post by foster on Oct 21, 2020 11:11:11 GMT
Back to the EU. I’m going to miss them (spending my money!) taking on the big issues of the day... EU asks: Is a vegetarian sausage really a sausage?I’d laugh if it wasn’t so daft. Of course, the serious point here is Europe pandering to self interested lobby groups trying to use legislation to restrict competition. Be interesting to see how this works out... farmers v vegans. The likely resolution (of course) is another bung to farmers to compensate them for allowing vegan sausages to continue being called sausages (in case anyone was confused that a vegan sausage was not the same thing as a “regular” sausage). To be fair it's something brought forward by farmers, not the EU, and it relates to a bunch of terms, not just 'sausage'. Seems a relevant enough argument from farmers wanting to protect their livelihoods. Although I don't see an issue with calling a veggie sausage, a 'veggie sausage'. I can tell the difference and haven't once been duped into paying double the usual 'meat' price for a less tasty vegan version. Seems to me that if Supermarkets really care about sustainability then they should promote the basic fruit and veg they sell, rather than the extortionate plastic-wrapped vegan meals that are produced from soya obtained from plantations, at the expense of the rainforest and other natural habitats....but anyway, that's not related to Brexit.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 21, 2020 11:15:27 GMT
I'd look on the side of a bus Seriously, how will you judge if it has? Await your findings? ( How many attempts do I get, to get ( your) the "right answer ")
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 21, 2020 11:22:19 GMT
Back to the EU. I’m going to miss them (spending my money!) taking on the big issues of the day... EU asks: Is a vegetarian sausage really a sausage?I’d laugh if it wasn’t so daft. Of course, the serious point here is Europe pandering to self interested lobby groups trying to use legislation to restrict competition. Be interesting to see how this works out... farmers v vegans. The likely resolution (of course) is another bung to farmers to compensate them for allowing vegan sausages to continue being called sausages (in case anyone was confused that a vegan sausage was not the same thing as a “regular” sausage). To be fair it's something brought forward by farmers, not the EU, and it relates to a bunch of terms, not just 'sausage'. Seems a relevant enough argument from farmers wanting to protect their livelihoods. Although I don't see an issue with calling a veggie sausage, a 'veggie sausage'. I can tell the difference and haven't once been duped into paying double the usual 'meat' price for a less tasty vegan version. Seems to me that if Supermarkets really care about sustainability then they should promote the basic fruit and veg they sell, rather than the extortionate plastic-wrapped vegan meals that are produced from soya obtained from plantations, at the expense of the rainforest and other natural habitats....but anyway, that's not related to Brexit. I know it was brought forward by farmers - possibly the most self interested, pampered lobbying group in Europe that the EU continually indulge to the colossal cost of tax payers across Europe. Their goal is more protectionism. Protectionism being an endemic fault line running through the EU project.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 21, 2020 11:25:08 GMT
Seriously, how will you judge if it has? Await your findings? ( How many attempts do I get, to get ( your) the "right answer ") It's not about me, John, remember It's not about the right answer, John, you're usually pretty keen on the subject as a whole and I'm interested to know what your criteria are for the delivery of Brexit, how you will judge them as having been delivered, and whether it's acceptable, in your eyes, for other people who might be interested in whether what was originally packaged up and promoted as the benefits of Brexit (and will no doubt have influenced many a voter's choice, otherwise what's the point in putting pre-vote material out there!) are actually going to be delivered?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 21, 2020 11:29:53 GMT
Await your findings? ( How many attempts do I get, to get ( your) the "right answer ") It's not about me, John, remember It's not about the right answer, John, you're usually pretty keen on the subject as a whole and I'm interested to know what your criteria are for the delivery of Brexit, how you will judge them as having been delivered, and whether it's acceptable, in your eyes, for other people who might be interested in whether what was originally packaged up and promoted as the benefits of Brexit (and will no doubt have influenced many a voter's choice, otherwise what's the point in putting pre-vote material out there!) are actually going to be delivered? The trouble is Red, I'm not particularly interested in answering at the present time, nothing personal. Waga's your man....Take it that I agree with him
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 21, 2020 11:31:05 GMT
To be fair it's something brought forward by farmers, not the EU, and it relates to a bunch of terms, not just 'sausage'. Seems a relevant enough argument from farmers wanting to protect their livelihoods. Although I don't see an issue with calling a veggie sausage, a 'veggie sausage'. I can tell the difference and haven't once been duped into paying double the usual 'meat' price for a less tasty vegan version. Seems to me that if Supermarkets really care about sustainability then they should promote the basic fruit and veg they sell, rather than the extortionate plastic-wrapped vegan meals that are produced from soya obtained from plantations, at the expense of the rainforest and other natural habitats....but anyway, that's not related to Brexit. I know it was brought forward by farmers - possibly the most self interested, pampered lobbying group in Europe that the EU continually indulge to the colossal cost of tax payers across Europe. Their goal is more protectionism. Protectionism being an endemic fault line running through the EU project. Well, I'm sure our farmers will be delighted to know they'll soon be firmly outside of that protectionism...!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 21, 2020 11:32:16 GMT
It's not about me, John, remember It's not about the right answer, John, you're usually pretty keen on the subject as a whole and I'm interested to know what your criteria are for the delivery of Brexit, how you will judge them as having been delivered, and whether it's acceptable, in your eyes, for other people who might be interested in whether what was originally packaged up and promoted as the benefits of Brexit (and will no doubt have influenced many a voter's choice, otherwise what's the point in putting pre-vote material out there!) are actually going to be delivered? The trouble is Red, I'm not particularly interested in answering at the present time, nothing personal. Strange, you're normally pretty keen on all things Brexit, but that's entirely fair enough. See you later, no doubt.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 21, 2020 11:32:49 GMT
The trouble is Red, I'm not particularly interested in answering at the present time, nothing personal. Strange, you're normally pretty keen on all things Brexit, but that's entirely fair enough. See you later, no doubt. Waga's your man....Take it that I agree with him
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 21, 2020 11:35:00 GMT
I know it was brought forward by farmers - possibly the most self interested, pampered lobbying group in Europe that the EU continually indulge to the colossal cost of tax payers across Europe. Their goal is more protectionism. Protectionism being an endemic fault line running through the EU project. Well, I'm sure our farmers will be delighted to know they'll soon be firmly outside of that protectionism...! Our fishermen will be for sure.
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 21, 2020 11:52:20 GMT
I find the negotiations quite absurd. Their posturing on so called level playing field as well as state subsidiaries are a joke . Slovakia paid over a £100 million in state subsidiaries, supported by the EU to jaguar land rover to move production over there presumably to take advantage of low wages and operating costs . Loss of 2500 uk jobs
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 21, 2020 11:57:24 GMT
Well, I'm sure our farmers will be delighted to know they'll soon be firmly outside of that protectionism...! Our fishermen will be for sure. Fishing value to UK - £1.4bn a year, 24,000 people employed Farming vale to UK - £24 bn a year, 175,000 people employed
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Post by thevoid on Oct 21, 2020 12:06:38 GMT
Just had a run, shower and lunch and still rednwhitenblah is in denial and clamouring for the last word. Good old Oatcake, it's like putting on a comforting pair of slippers 😆
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 21, 2020 12:11:03 GMT
Just had a run, shower and lunch and still rednwhitenblah is still in denial and clamouring for the last word. Good old Oatcake, it's like putting on a comforting pair of slippers 😆 What did I say about regurgitating stuff back like a poodle with a sensitive stomach just a few posts ago! I remember when I first pointed out your tendency to insist on having the last word, and here it is, right back at me! Go on, you know you want to
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 21, 2020 12:15:29 GMT
Just had a run, shower and lunch and still rednwhitenblah is still in denial and clamouring for the last word. Good old Oatcake, it's like putting on a comforting pair of slippers 😆 He can’t let it go.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 21, 2020 12:19:58 GMT
Just had a run, shower and lunch and still rednwhitenblah is still in denial and clamouring for the last word. Good old Oatcake, it's like putting on a comforting pair of slippers 😆 He can’t let it go. Stick to conflating stuff about the EU and veggie sausages, partick
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Post by thevoid on Oct 21, 2020 12:22:56 GMT
Just had a run, shower and lunch and still rednwhitenblah is still in denial and clamouring for the last word. Good old Oatcake, it's like putting on a comforting pair of slippers 😆 What did I say about regurgitating stuff back like a poodle with a sensitive stomach just a few posts ago! I remember when I first pointed out your tendency to insist on having the last word, and here it is, right back at me! Go on, you know you want to Just like you plagiarising my posts to you regarding your blatant hypocrisy and aiming it at BJR last night? As for the last word, you can have it by finding the nailbomber post I misquoted. It should be easier for you to find what with it being your own post and with you having a 'spectrumesque' memory of every post written on The Oatcake 😊
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Post by thevoid on Oct 21, 2020 12:29:46 GMT
Just had a run, shower and lunch and still rednwhitenblah is still in denial and clamouring for the last word. Good old Oatcake, it's like putting on a comforting pair of slippers 😆 He can’t let it go. Fair play to him, despite being repeatedly shown up as a complete and utter tool that even Left Wing Club think of as a whack job, he keeps plugging away. Looks like I'm living rent free in his head too (there's plenty of room thankfully). God loves a trier 😆
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 21, 2020 12:31:50 GMT
More insults and name-calling! Absolutely, no great surprise at all! Like I said, some people just can't help themselves There's just no need for it, Void! And given the fact you've already admitted following me around the board, I'd say the reverse was true... if my posts bother you so much, just ignore them!
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Post by thevoid on Oct 21, 2020 12:46:03 GMT
More insults and name-calling! Absolutely, no great surprise at all! Like I said, some people just can't help themselves There's just no need for it, Void! When you post similar sentiments the next time one of Left Wing Club resorts to name calling and abuse, you'll have more credibilty Bluers. I don't hold out much hope given that you denied it was even an issue on the Ratana thread. But I'll be keeping an eye out. Hope springs eternal!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 21, 2020 13:08:40 GMT
More insults and name-calling! Absolutely, no great surprise at all! Like I said, some people just can't help themselves There's just no need for it, Void! When you post similar sentiments the next time one of Left Wing Club resorts to name calling and abuse, you'll have more credibilty Bluers. I don't hold out much hope given that you denied it was even an issue on the Ratana thread. But I'll be keeping an eye out. Hope springs eternal! As I keep saying, if everyone would stop indulging in racism, name-calling and abuse, the board will improve for everyone. That obviously applies to everyone! However, in the last couple of pages on here, there has only been one person doing that, and, as always, it's your good self. It does look rather like double standards, again. So far we've had, "utter tool" (twice ), "hypocritical piece of vermin" (just the once, so far!), "vile individual", and references to my being autistic...Like I say, it's a shame but I honestly don't think you can help yourself I'm sure, like all the other threads you manage to turn into this kind of thing, this must be getting just as boring for everyone else as it is me, so just like the last time this happened (!) I'll let you have the last word once again and concentrate on what this thread is supposed to be about: Brexit. No doubt see you on another thread you've followed me onto for some abuse and name-calling at some point in the near future
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Post by thevoid on Oct 21, 2020 14:15:06 GMT
When you post similar sentiments the next time one of Left Wing Club resorts to name calling and abuse, you'll have more credibilty Bluers. I don't hold out much hope given that you denied it was even an issue on the Ratana thread. But I'll be keeping an eye out. Hope springs eternal! As I keep saying, if everyone would stop indulging in racism, name-calling and abuse, the board will improve for everyone. That obviously applies to everyone! However, in the last couple of pages on here, there has only been one person doing that, and, as always, it's your good self. It does look rather like double standards, again. So far we've had, "utter tool" (twice ), "hypocritical piece of vermin" (just the once, so far!), "vile individual", and references to my being autistic...Like I say, it's a shame but I honestly don't think you can help yourself I'm sure, like all the other threads you manage to turn into this kind of thing, this must be getting just as boring for everyone else as it is me, so just like the last time this happened (!) I'll let you have the last word once again and concentrate on what this thread is supposed to be about: Brexit. No doubt see you on another thread you've followed me onto for some abuse and name-calling at some point in the near future Bluers, I've just remembered your post we've been chinwagging about matey 😊 "You remind me of David Copeland" (I think that's word for word what you said). Ring any bells? Copeland was a far right terrorist who killed three people and injured over a hundred more in a series of London nailbombings in the late 90s. If you wanted to go down the rather immature route of comparing me with someone right wing, there are tons of candidates you could have gone for, but you settled on that one out of legions of others. Now I don't want to get too much into semantics but you can be equally abusive, it's just your insults are more surreptitious and underhand 😊 I'm not sure if your parents or teachers mentioned this when you were at school, but if you can't take it, don't dish it out 👍
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 14:26:10 GMT
My argument is that your writing style is pompous. I don't see how that bolsters your argument in any way. I know that you don't see it. Mate, are you religious or something? You're talking like you're being driven by belief in a higher power, cause Christ knows what you're saying has got fuck all to do with anything I've got to say.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 21, 2020 14:31:30 GMT
I know that you don't see it. Mate, are you religious or something? You're talking like you're being driven by belief in a higher power, cause Christ knows what you're saying has got fuck all to do with anything I've got to say. Thank God for that.
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Post by Miles Offside on Oct 21, 2020 16:52:53 GMT
We've had over 4 years to prepare businesses and ports like Harwich, Hull, Portsmouth, Southampton, Liverpool to take extra capacity and avoid giving the French the chance to choke off Calais.
But we haven't. It's made getting a deal more important than it should've been. Only ourselves to blame.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Oct 21, 2020 17:12:13 GMT
We've had over 4 years to prepare businesses and ports like Harwich, Hull, Portsmouth, Southampton, Liverpool to take extra capacity and avoid giving the French the chance to choke off Calais. But we haven't. It's made getting a deal more important than it should've been. Only ourselves to blame. Talks are, unsurprisingly, back on. After Johnson had told businesses to prepare for no deal , at the meeting with business leaders yesterday he couldn't be arsed to stay for more than 15 minutes which just about gave him time to tell them there had been too much apathy from business. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54622190
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 21, 2020 17:23:52 GMT
We've had over 4 years to prepare businesses and ports like Harwich, Hull, Portsmouth, Southampton, Liverpool to take extra capacity and avoid giving the French the chance to choke off Calais. But we haven't. It's made getting a deal more important than it should've been. Only ourselves to blame. I'd agree with that Miles, 4 wasted years. I think it could be blamed on a lack of leadership and honest belief in Brexit and delivering what the electorate voted for. I don't think that we should have a deal at any cost, a deal that compromises Brexit and our independence....but a Canada style deal would be good. Let's see if the EU come to terms with our independence....but you are right we are in some urgent need of practical leadership in preparing for no deal. My view is that it may be possible that the rabbit is pulled out of the bag nearer January 1, 2021, personally, if so, I hope it doesn't compromise Brexit. Following January 1st, if there is " chaos" for both European and UK trade ( the actual businesses, not the politicians) minds might be focused and further negotiations could take place. The easy option for career politicians would have been a Remain vote in the referendum....no change, no disruption, they continue as normal. Real change always comes with some challenges, what's the point in it otherwise, but I agree with you, should have been managed much better ( It would have helped if we had not spent 3 years trying to thwart the decision).
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 21, 2020 17:43:06 GMT
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Post by Kpsje on Oct 21, 2020 17:44:23 GMT
I know that you don't see it. Mate, are you religious or something? You're talking like you're being driven by belief in a higher power, cause Christ knows what you're saying has got fuck all to do with anything I've got to say. with the greatest respect, deanohaspissedhispants, who gives a flying fuck what you’ve got to say (smiley face)
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