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Post by thevoid on Oct 21, 2020 7:48:02 GMT
Ah, the old nailbomber fallback! Been challenged about providing a direct quote of me calling you a nailbomber before, haven't we, Void? Didn't manage to come up with the goods last time either, so if you can't manage to do so again, it'll have to go down as more made up Void bullshit, I'm afraid. Probably a good place to look would be the happily now defunct I Hate Muslims Cultural Enrichment thread on which you were such a regular. Such a shame, there's really no need for any of it, nor the racism. The board would be a much better place if neither existed. And if shared viewpoints didn't encourage the hypocrisy and double standards of overlooking those who do. Let's hope it improves. My feeling is that some people can't help themselves when it comes to racism, name calling and double standards, but you never know, perhaps they'll surprise me. I'm not going through your posts to find a quote from about two years ago- if it was a matter of weeks I'd do so but we're talking years. But you said it- it's hardly something I'd make up, and why would I pick something as outlandish as 'nailbomber', something that wouldn't cross a normal person's mind to use on a football messageboard? Usually you're meticulous in your ability to recall people's posts from way back- hence your continued obsession with other threads- so if you don't mind I'll put your denial down as more rednwhitenblah bullshit š As I've said numerous times before, it was a puerile and laughable comment (true to form for you) but I like to reference it to illustrate the sheer hypocrisy (there's that word again, pattern emerging here) in your paragon of Oatcake virtue act š
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 21, 2020 7:48:02 GMT
With all due respect, and this is in no way personal, I think you might be missing the point. I'm perfectly happy that you made up your own mind years before the referendum was even mooted. However, for those who didn't, which probably accounts for many millions, do you think it reasonable that the pledges/advertising/promises/indications etc that were made to encourage people to vote in a certain way should now be held to scrutiny to see if they come to pass? Answer the question about your UKIP government if you would. It's the same point. To be honest Red, I'm not particularly interested in your agenda at this precise moment, perhaps someone else can help you? I'll have one go at answering your question and leave it at that. Obviously I'd vote for UKIP or the BREXIT party based upon their stance on Brexit. They were never going to be in a position to influence or deliver Brexit because of the Lib/Labour monopoly ( duopoly?). So , in my opinion, we found ourselves relying on Remainer May..which failed. No we were forced to support the " Lets get Brexit done", man ( and I think that could be construed as a promise...and it won him an 80 seat majority).....based upon that , using your argument, it seems that delivering Brexit is still important to people and they want it delivered....EVEN though they have had plenty of time to peruse the " side of the bus issue"....it didn't matter to them. They had moved on. It's your thing and perhaps a couple more Remainers. I guess Boris will be judged on that pledge. For me each person has to judge for themselves who they trust and what are the important issues in an election. I am simply not interested in sides of buses of 5 years ago even if you think I should be. Nothing personal, it's your thing. It's simply about being continuing to be interested in seeing if what transpires around Brexit is what was talked about and pledged/advertised/whatever at the time, in much the same way that I'd hope you would be interested in any government that might get elected and is expected to make good on what they'd pledged/advertised/whatever in the run up to that election too. So, I understand that you might not care but it seems reasonable to me, and probably to many millions of others, that we do continue to scrutinise what Brexit means for the country and whether what transpires bears any relation to the stuff that was promised/pledged/advertised. I don't really see why ignoring all that, 'letting it go' and forgetting about the stuff which probably influenced quite a few people to vote in one way or the other is sensible. If something is put forward as a reason for voting one way, any sensible person would want to know it was being fulfilled, I'd have thought?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 21, 2020 7:49:41 GMT
To be honest Red, I'm not particularly interested in your agenda at this precise moment, perhaps someone else can help you? I'll have one go at answering your question and leave it at that. Obviously I'd vote for UKIP or the BREXIT party based upon their stance on Brexit. They were never going to be in a position to influence or deliver Brexit because of the Lib/Labour monopoly ( duopoly?). So , in my opinion, we found ourselves relying on Remainer May..which failed. No we were forced to support the " Lets get Brexit done", man ( and I think that could be construed as a promise...and it won him an 80 seat majority).....based upon that , using your argument, it seems that delivering Brexit is still important to people and they want it delivered....EVEN though they have had plenty of time to peruse the " side of the bus issue"....it didn't matter to them. They had moved on. It's your thing and perhaps a couple more Remainers. I guess Boris will be judged on that pledge. For me each person has to judge for themselves who they trust and what are the important issues in an election. I am simply not interested in sides of buses of 5 years ago even if you think I should be. Nothing personal, it's your thing. It's simply about being continuing to be interested in seeing if what transpires around Brexit is what was talked about and pledged/advertised/whatever at the time, in much the same way that I'd hope you would be interested in any government that might get elected and is expected to make good on what they'd pledged/advertised/whatever in the run up to that election too. So, I understand that you might not care but it seems reasonable to me, and probably to many millions of others, that we do continue to scrutinise what Brexit means for the country and whether what transpires bears any relation to the stuff that was promised/pledged/advertised. I don't really see why ignoring all that, 'letting it go' and forgetting about the stuff which probably influenced quite a few people to vote in one way or the other is sensible. If something is put forward as a reason for voting one way, any sensible person would want to know it was being fulfilled, I'd have thought? As I say, it's your thing, so crack on.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 21, 2020 7:49:59 GMT
Ah, the old nailbomber fallback! Been challenged about providing a direct quote of me calling you a nailbomber before, haven't we, Void? Didn't manage to come up with the goods last time either, so if you can't manage to do so again, it'll have to go down as more made up Void bullshit, I'm afraid. Probably a good place to look would be the happily now defunct I Hate Muslims Cultural Enrichment thread on which you were such a regular. Such a shame, there's really no need for any of it, nor the racism. The board would be a much better place if neither existed. And if shared viewpoints didn't encourage the hypocrisy and double standards of overlooking those who do. Let's hope it improves. My feeling is that some people can't help themselves when it comes to racism, name calling and double standards, but you never know, perhaps they'll surprise me. I'm not going through your posts to find a quote from about two years ago- if it was a matter of weeks I'd do so but we're talking a couple of years. But you said it- it's hardly something I'd make up, and why would I pick something as outlandish as 'nailbomber', something that wouldn't cross a normal person's mind to use on a football messageboard? Usually you're meticulous in your ability to recall people's posts from way back- hence your continued obsession with other threads- so if you don't mind I'll put your denial down as more rednwhitenblah bullshit š As I've said numerous times before, it was a puerile and laughable comment (true to form for you) but I like to reference it to illustrate the sheer hypocrisy (there's that word again, pattern emerging here) in your paragon of Oatcake virtue act š Well, there's a surprise! Nil from two. We'll put it down as bullshit then.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 21, 2020 7:52:55 GMT
It's simply about being continuing to be interested in seeing if what transpires around Brexit is what was talked about and pledged/advertised/whatever at the time, in much the same way that I'd hope you would be interested in any government that might get elected and is expected to make good on what they'd pledged/advertised/whatever in the run up to that election too. So, I understand that you might not care but it seems reasonable to me, and probably to many millions of others, that we do continue to scrutinise what Brexit means for the country and whether what transpires bears any relation to the stuff that was promised/pledged/advertised. I don't really see why ignoring all that, 'letting it go' and forgetting about the stuff which probably influenced quite a few people to vote in one way or the other is sensible. If something is put forward as a reason for voting one way, any sensible person would want to know it was being fulfilled, I'd have thought? As I say, it's your thing, so crack on. And obviously yours too, John, since this is a favourite thread of both of ours. Seems entirely sensible to continue to scrutinise the ongoing fall out from Brexit to me and hold it up against what was pledged/promised/advertised at the time, just like any election material.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 21, 2020 8:00:13 GMT
As I say, it's your thing, so crack on. And obviously yours too, John, since this is a favourite thread of both of ours.Ā Seems entirely sensible to continue to scrutinise the ongoing fall out from Brexit to me and hold it up against what was pledged/promised/advertised at the time, just like any election material. You are hard work , as I'm sure you know....the issue of the bus and "promises" is your thing....., I'm not talking about Brexit per se, your particular agenda is irrelevant to me so I find it difficultto raise any enthusiasm. As I say if it's your mission, crack.on , you must get some satisfaction on being proved right.. Why not save yourself a lot of anguish and just keep saying " I know I was right about Brexit and there is evidence that those voted for it were misled and the promises weren't delivered "...I don't think many will listen to you, you are entitled to your opinion and you might feel better. ( By the way, the " Oatcake " doesn't really scrutinise anybody, it is just a forum for discussion, opinion and debate, in my opinion)
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Post by thevoid on Oct 21, 2020 8:04:24 GMT
I'm not going through your posts to find a quote from about two years ago- if it was a matter of weeks I'd do so but we're talking a couple of years. But you said it- it's hardly something I'd make up, and why would I pick something as outlandish as 'nailbomber', something that wouldn't cross a normal person's mind to use on a football messageboard? Usually you're meticulous in your ability to recall people's posts from way back- hence your continued obsession with other threads- so if you don't mind I'll put your denial down as more rednwhitenblah bullshit š As I've said numerous times before, it was a puerile and laughable comment (true to form for you) but I like to reference it to illustrate the sheer hypocrisy (there's that word again, pattern emerging here) in your paragon of Oatcake virtue act š Well, there's a surprise! Nil from two. We'll put it down as bullshit then. Naah, we'll put it down as you being a hypocritical piece of vermin š You said it. And you know you did. As I've said before, you didn't offend me as it was so outlandish and pathetic, but I just like to put it out there now and again so that people know the sort of person you are.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 21, 2020 8:20:59 GMT
Well, there's a surprise! Nil from two. We'll put it down as bullshit then. Naah, we'll put it down as you being a hypocritical piece of vermin š You said it. And you know you did. As I've said before, you didn't offend me as it was so outlandish and pathetic, but I just like to put it out there now and again so that people know the sort of person you are. No, you certainly don't seem triggered by some seemingly made up quote, nor keep going on about it, without providing the evidence
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 21, 2020 8:27:34 GMT
And obviously yours too, John, since this is a favourite thread of both of ours. Seems entirely sensible to continue to scrutinise the ongoing fall out from Brexit to me and hold it up against what was pledged/promised/advertised at the time, just like any election material. You are hard work , as I'm sure you know....the issue of the bus and "promises" is your thing....., I'm not talking about Brexit per se, your particular agenda is irrelevant to me so I find it difficultto raise any enthusiasm. As I say if it's your mission, crack.on , you must get some satisfaction on being proved right.. Why not save yourself a lot of anguish and just keep saying " I know I was right about Brexit and there is evidence that those voted for it were misled and the promises weren't delivered "...I don't think many will listen to you, you are entitled to your opinion and you might feel better. ( By the way, the " Oatcake " doesn't really scrutinise anybody, it is just a forum for discussion, opinion and debate, in my opinion) Because I'm interested in discussing it with you, John. I'm sorry if it bothers you or you find it hard work. You post a lot on Brexit so I would have thought you'd be interested in knowing if what was originally part of the package of "this is what Brexit will deliver" actually comes to pass. I suspect many people are, but if you're one of the ones who's sick of it all and just wants it to go away, then fair enough, perhaps stop posting on the Brexit thread? That said, I can't believe for one second that if, after voting to Leave, Bluffer et al had turned round and said, you know what we're not actually going to leave after all, that you'd just have gone, "ok fair enough! I was kind of hoping we would based on what was advertised etc but hey ho, let's all move on"...So why it's so hard to understand why some people do want to see if Brexit delivers all that was advertised etc is a bit perplexing? Unless, of course, you'd rather people just didn't look too closely, for obvious reasons?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 21, 2020 8:38:19 GMT
You are hard work , as I'm sure you know....the issue of the bus and "promises" is your thing....., I'm not talking about Brexit per se, your particular agenda is irrelevant to me so I find it difficultto raise any enthusiasm. As I say if it's your mission, crack.on , you must get some satisfaction on being proved right.. Why not save yourself a lot of anguish and just keep saying " I know I was right about Brexit and there is evidence that those voted for it were misled and the promises weren't delivered "...I don't think many will listen to you, you are entitled to your opinion and you might feel better. ( By the way, the " Oatcake " doesn't really scrutinise anybody, it is just a forum for discussion, opinion and debate, in my opinion) Because I'm interested in discussing it with you, John. I'm sorry if it bothers you or you find it hard work. You post a lot on Brexit so I would have thought you'd be interested in knowing if what was originally part of the package of "this is what Brexit will deliver" actually comes to pass. I suspect many people are, but if you're one of the ones who's sick of it all and just wants it to go away, then fair enough, perhaps stop posting on the Brexit thread? That said, I can't believe for one second that if, after voting to Leave, Bluffer et al had turned round and said, you know what we're not actually going to leave after all, that you'd just have gone, "ok fair enough! I was kind of hoping we would based on what was advertised etc but hey ho, let's all move on"...So why it's so hard to understand why some people do want to see if Brexit delivers all that was advertised etc is a bit perplexing? I think I'm allowed to post what I want. I've already said that the only/ main issue is " Will this government/ the main UK government deliver Brexit ( "get Brexit done")".....and I know my criteria for that. I'm not particularly interested in sides of buses, that's your thing. I don't think it retired heavily in the 2019 election either, by the time of which the electorate could have punished the Tories and Brexiteers for "lies and potential breached promises"...but they didn't.....having considered the isdues they had moved on and voted for a party that PROMISED ton" get Brexit done" Crack on with your personal crusade.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 21, 2020 8:40:53 GMT
Because I'm interested in discussing it with you, John. I'm sorry if it bothers you or you find it hard work. You post a lot on Brexit so I would have thought you'd be interested in knowing if what was originally part of the package of "this is what Brexit will deliver" actually comes to pass. I suspect many people are, but if you're one of the ones who's sick of it all and just wants it to go away, then fair enough, perhaps stop posting on the Brexit thread? That said, I can't believe for one second that if, after voting to Leave, Bluffer et al had turned round and said, you know what we're not actually going to leave after all, that you'd just have gone, "ok fair enough! I was kind of hoping we would based on what was advertised etc but hey ho, let's all move on"...So why it's so hard to understand why some people do want to see if Brexit delivers all that was advertised etc is a bit perplexing? I think I'm allowed to post what I want. I've already said that the only/ main issue is " Will this government/ the main UK government deliver Brexit ( "get Brexit done")".....and I know my criteria for that. I'm not particularly interested in sides of buses, that's your thing. I don't think it retired heavily in the 2019 election either, by the time of which the electorate could have punished the Tories and Brexiteers for "lies and potential breached promises"...but they didn't.....having considered the isdues they had moved on and voted for a party that PROMISED ton" get Brexit done" Crack on with your personal crusade. Nobody is saying you arent! OK, that's fine. If delivery of Brexit is the only/main issue, are you bothered about what kind of Brexit?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 21, 2020 8:46:34 GMT
I think I'm allowed to post what I want. I've already said that the only/ main issue is " Will this government/ the main UK government deliver Brexit ( "get Brexit done")".....and I know my criteria for that. I'm not particularly interested in sides of buses, that's your thing. I don't think it retired heavily in the 2019 election either, by the time of which the electorate could have punished the Tories and Brexiteers for "lies and potential breached promises"...but they didn't.....having considered the isdues they had moved on and voted for a party that PROMISED ton" get Brexit done" Crack on with your personal crusade. Nobody is saying you arent! OK, that's fine. If delivery of Brexit is the only/main issue, are you bothered about what kind of Brexit? Red, This has all been done before, have a look over previous pages. I might come back to it in the future, when we approach/ pass January 1, 2021. ( and try not to read too much in this post...take it for what it is)
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Post by thevoid on Oct 21, 2020 8:47:08 GMT
Naah, we'll put it down as you being a hypocritical piece of vermin š You said it. And you know you did. As I've said before, you didn't offend me as it was so outlandish and pathetic, but I just like to put it out there now and again so that people know the sort of person you are. No, you certainly don't seem triggered by some seemingly made up quote, nor keep going on about it, without providing the evidence As I've said before, I'm not ploughing through years of your posts when I can't guarantee you haven't deleted it anyway (reading one in isolation is bad enough, why would I put myself through that? It seems worse than one of the torture devices in a Saw film š). If it was a legal trial with money at stake I'd make the effort, trust me, but it's the fucking Oatcake (for the umpteenth time) š Let's just agree that you wrote it so that we can move on. You know it, I know it. It's the kind of word that sticks in one's mind when you read it- it's hardly 'c*nt' or 'twat' which are ten a penny! If memory serves it was just after my Julian Clary joke you seem obsessed with (another moment when you were made to look like an utter tool), so I can't fathom for the life of me why your usual photographic memory's failing you on this one occassion. It's a real poser....š¤
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 21, 2020 8:48:12 GMT
Nobody is saying you arent! OK, that's fine. If delivery of Brexit is the only/main issue, are you bothered about what kind of Brexit? Red, This has all been done before, have a look over previous pages. I might come back to it in the future, when we approach/ pass January 1, 2021. ( and try not to read too much in this post...take it for what it is) What's the problem, we're just discussing the subject?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 21, 2020 8:51:57 GMT
No, you certainly don't seem triggered by some seemingly made up quote, nor keep going on about it, without providing the evidence As I've said before, I'm not ploughing through years of your posts when I can't guarantee you haven't deleted it anyway (reading one in isolation is bad enough, why would I put myself through that? It seems worse than one of the torture devices in a Saw film š). If it was a legal trial with money at stake I'd make the effort, trust me, but it's the fucking Oatcake (for the umpteenth time) š Let's just agree that you wrote it so that we can move on. You know it, I know it. It's the kind of word that sticks in one's mind when you read it- it's hardly 'c*nt' or 'twat' which are ten a penny! If memory serves it was just after my Julian Clary joke you seem obsessed with (another moment when you were made to look like an utter tool), so I can't fathom for the life of me why your usual photographic memory's failing you on this one occassion. It's a real poser....š¤ No, we'll put it down to bullshit, unless you can provide the quote where I directly "called you a nailbomber". What was the Julian Clary joke, perhaps that'll make it easier to find? I'll quite happily move on, hopefully to a place where racism, name-calling and abuse isn't a regular feature of replies on here as I hoped earlier in the thread, but as I said, it's a regular feature for some folk...
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 21, 2020 8:55:11 GMT
I think I'm allowed to post what I want. I've already said that the only/ main issue is " Will this government/ the main UK government deliver Brexit ( "get Brexit done")".....and I know my criteria for that. I'm not particularly interested in sides of buses, that's your thing. I don't think it retired heavily in the 2019 election either, by the time of which the electorate could have punished the Tories and Brexiteers for "lies and potential breached promises"...but they didn't.....having considered the isdues they had moved on and voted for a party that PROMISED ton" get Brexit done" Crack on with your personal crusade. Nobody is saying you arent! OK, that's fine. If delivery of Brexit is the only/main issue, are you bothered about what kind of Brexit? Yes Iām bothered about what kind of brexit Anything else than a Canada style or no deal will be a abject surrender And I wonāt lose sleep if that makes it a tad harder for the champagne socialists to go on there half term sky trips
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 21, 2020 8:56:55 GMT
Nobody is saying you arent! OK, that's fine. If delivery of Brexit is the only/main issue, are you bothered about what kind of Brexit? Yes Iām bothered about what kind of brexit Anything else than a Canada style or no deal will be a abject surrender And I wonāt lose sleep if that makes it a tad harder for the champagne socialists to go on there half term sky trips Thank you, waga, we got there in the end! And presumably, you think it's ok for people to see what kind of Brexit is delivered, compared to the package of stuff that was promised, and what it will mean for the UK?
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Post by thevoid on Oct 21, 2020 9:05:12 GMT
As I've said before, I'm not ploughing through years of your posts when I can't guarantee you haven't deleted it anyway (reading one in isolation is bad enough, why would I put myself through that? It seems worse than one of the torture devices in a Saw film š). If it was a legal trial with money at stake I'd make the effort, trust me, but it's the fucking Oatcake (for the umpteenth time) š Let's just agree that you wrote it so that we can move on. You know it, I know it. It's the kind of word that sticks in one's mind when you read it- it's hardly 'c*nt' or 'twat' which are ten a penny! If memory serves it was just after my Julian Clary joke you seem obsessed with (another moment when you were made to look like an utter tool), so I can't fathom for the life of me why your usual photographic memory's failing you on this one occassion. It's a real poser....š¤ No, we'll put it down to bullshit, unless you can provide the quote where I directly "called you a nailbomber". I'll quite happily move on, hopefully to a place where racism, name-calling and abuse isn't a regular feature of replies on here as I hoped earlier in the thread, but as I said, it's a regular feature for some folk... It certainly is matey, and you're as bad as anyone on here. And you repeatedly ignore it when it's done by people you agree with politically (no great surprise when you're guilty of it yourself). If you show a bit less hubris and hypocrisy I'll stop 'following you around the board' but given your arrogance and lack of self awareness I'm sure I'll still be 'tugging at your shirt in the box' for some time to come! And regarding the other matter, we'll put your denial down to shame and embarrasment which is progress at least š Anyway, I'm off for a run. Bored now.
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 21, 2020 9:08:10 GMT
Yes Iām bothered about what kind of brexit Anything else than a Canada style or no deal will be a abject surrender And I wonāt lose sleep if that makes it a tad harder for the champagne socialists to go on there half term sky trips Thank you, waga, we got there in the end! And presumably, you think it's ok for people to see what kind of Brexit is delivered, compared to the package of stuff that was promised, and what it will mean for the UK? Perfectly fine for people to question what they were promised if they feel it hasnāt been delivered The trouble is when it involves politics I donāt believe there has ever been a political party that when faced with the reality of the situation has ever delivered on the complete manifesto or promises There hope rest that the majority of there supporters will accept a touch of deviation I for one will be watching very carefully for anything I consider a compromise and does not deliver the deal I believe I voted for
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 21, 2020 9:13:05 GMT
Red, This has all been done before, have a look over previous pages. I might come back to it in the future, when we approach/ pass January 1, 2021. ( and try not to read too much in this post...take it for what it is) What's the problem, we're just discussing the subject? I have not got a problem....it seems as though you have. I'm not interested in your agenda on this particular issue.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 21, 2020 9:34:19 GMT
No, we'll put it down to bullshit, unless you can provide the quote where I directly "called you a nailbomber". I'll quite happily move on, hopefully to a place where racism, name-calling and abuse isn't a regular feature of replies on here as I hoped earlier in the thread, but as I said, it's a regular feature for some folk... It certainly is matey, and you're as bad as anyone on here. And you repeatedly ignore it when it's done by people you agree with politically (no great surprise when you're guilty of it yourself). If you show a bit less hubris and hypocrisy I'll stop 'following you around the board' but given your arrogance and lack of self awareness I'm sure I'll still be 'tugging at your shirt in the box' for some time to come! And regarding the other matter, we'll put your denial down to shame and embarrasment which is progress at least š Anyway, I'm off for a run. Bored now. "No, we'll put it down to bullshit..." "It certainly is matey" Ah, progress! Just joking. You'll never provide a direct quote that I called you a nailbomber of course, because we both know that didn't happen. I remember the discussion, vaguely! Anyway, here's to less racism, name-calling and abuse all round. It'll never last!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 21, 2020 9:40:28 GMT
Thank you, waga, we got there in the end! And presumably, you think it's ok for people to see what kind of Brexit is delivered, compared to the package of stuff that was promised, and what it will mean for the UK? Perfectly fine for people to question what they were promised if they feel it hasnāt been delivered The trouble is when it involves politics I donāt believe there has ever been a political party that when faced with the reality of the situation has ever delivered on the complete manifesto or promises There hope rest that the majority of there supporters will accept a touch of deviation I for one will be watching very carefully for anything I consider a compromise and does not deliver the deal I believe I voted for Excellent, and that's all I was trying to get BJR to see. I don't see it as an agenda he won't engage with to see how things are delivered compared to what was promised. Seems a perfectly sensible approach to hold leaders to account for their promises/pledges/whatever to me, otherwise what's the point in paying any heed to all of the stuff leading up to a vote! You're quite right to scrutinise whether you get your Brexit, I'm entitled to see if it turns out to be detrimental to the UK. To move on and forget everything that was pledged because it no longer interests you seems the wrong thing to do, but there's nothing stopping anyone from doing so if they choose to.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 21, 2020 9:48:05 GMT
Perfectly fine for people to question what they were promised if they feel it hasnāt been delivered The trouble is when it involves politics I donāt believe there has ever been a political party that when faced with the reality of the situation has ever delivered on the complete manifesto or promises There hope rest that the majority of there supporters will accept a touch of deviation I for one will be watching very carefully for anything I consider a compromise and does not deliver the deal I believe I voted for Excellent, and that's all I was trying to get BJR to see. I don't see it as an agenda he won't engage with to see how things are delivered compared to what was promised. Seems a perfectly sensible approach to hold leaders to account for their promises/pledges/whatever to me, otherwise what's the point in paying any heed to all of the stuff leading up to a vote! You're quite right to scrutinise whether you get your Brexit, I'm entitled to see if it turns out to be detrimental to the UK. To move on and forget everything that was pledged because it no longer interests you seems the wrong thing to do, but there's nothing stopping anyone from doing so if they choose to. No need to bring me into it ar all Red. Its not about me. I'm not interested in your agenda nor buses. Just Brexit. So now you have someone to discuss it with. Thanks Waga
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 21, 2020 10:02:02 GMT
Excellent, and that's all I was trying to get BJR to see. I don't see it as an agenda he won't engage with to see how things are delivered compared to what was promised. Seems a perfectly sensible approach to hold leaders to account for their promises/pledges/whatever to me, otherwise what's the point in paying any heed to all of the stuff leading up to a vote! You're quite right to scrutinise whether you get your Brexit, I'm entitled to see if it turns out to be detrimental to the UK. To move on and forget everything that was pledged because it no longer interests you seems the wrong thing to do, but there's nothing stopping anyone from doing so if they choose to. No need to bring me into it ar all Red. Its not about me. I'm not interested in your agenda nor buses. Just Brexit. So now you have someone to discuss it with. Thanks Waga Youāre welcome but Iām probably not the best one to debate brexit with as I tend to be on the harder side of leave and see anything else as unacceptable surrender
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Post by noustie on Oct 21, 2020 10:21:51 GMT
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but Lords knock back the Internal Market bill by highest majority in 20 years. Seems their issue is the HOC is set-up to make the law and expect people to respect the law so don't see how they can look for powers to break the law: www.parliament.uk/business/news/2020/october/lords-debates-internal-market-bill/Be pretty 2020 if we see in the New Year with the House of Lords on fire for usurping the will of the common people.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 21, 2020 10:32:00 GMT
Excellent, and that's all I was trying to get BJR to see. I don't see it as an agenda he won't engage with to see how things are delivered compared to what was promised. Seems a perfectly sensible approach to hold leaders to account for their promises/pledges/whatever to me, otherwise what's the point in paying any heed to all of the stuff leading up to a vote! You're quite right to scrutinise whether you get your Brexit, I'm entitled to see if it turns out to be detrimental to the UK. To move on and forget everything that was pledged because it no longer interests you seems the wrong thing to do, but there's nothing stopping anyone from doing so if they choose to. No need to bring me into it ar all Red. Its not about me. I'm not interested in your agenda nor buses. Just Brexit. So now you have someone to discuss it with. Thanks Waga That's fine, John. I only mentioned you because we were discussing Brexit, you and I, on the Brexit thread, before you then decided to have no interest in what was discussed leading up to the vote. I was trying to understand why you didn't want to consider, as I do, what the outcomes of Brexit will be, and whether they will bear any resemblance to what was discussed/promised/pledged in the run up to the vote and what probably influenced many people's decision on how to vote. That's all. Personally, I think that's a sensible enough approach to continue to see how things unfold based on what was promised, but if you'd rather not that's fine.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 21, 2020 10:34:25 GMT
No need to bring me into it ar all Red. Its not about me. I'm not interested in your agenda nor buses. Just Brexit. So now you have someone to discuss it with. Thanks Waga Youāre welcome but Iām probably not the best one to debate brexit with as I tend to be on the harder side of leave and see anything else as unacceptable surrender So am I Waga, it's the relevance of the issues/ questions/ buses that I can't engage with. The only current issue for me is " Has this government delivered Brexit "....and I have my own criteria to judge that , probably similar to yours
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 21, 2020 10:37:02 GMT
Youāre welcome but Iām probably not the best one to debate brexit with as I tend to be on the harder side of leave and see anything else as unacceptable surrender So am I Waga, it's the relevance of the issues/ questions/ buses that I can't engage with. The only current issue for me is " Has this government delivered Brexit "....and I have my own criteria to judge that , probably similar to yours How will you judge if it has?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 21, 2020 10:39:38 GMT
So am I Waga, it's the relevance of the issues/ questions/ buses that I can't engage with. The only current issue for me is " Has this government delivered Brexit "....and I have my own criteria to judge that , probably similar to yours How will you judge if it has? I'd look on the side of a bus
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 21, 2020 10:40:34 GMT
How will you judge if it has? I'd look on the side of a bus Seriously, how will you judge if it has?
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