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Post by lordb on Oct 15, 2020 19:24:57 GMT
Might come to nothing anyway if UvdL has had to leave? UvdL sounds like a paramilitary organisation. Ulster Volunteer Defence League?
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 16, 2020 11:08:32 GMT
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Oct 16, 2020 11:28:21 GMT
True! It says on Reuter’s, Bluffer said that we must prepare for an Australian style exit from the EU? Strange that as Australia never joined the EU to exit it? Australia trades on WTO terms so this is Bluffer pretending we’ll be no worse off than Australia?
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 16, 2020 11:44:51 GMT
True! It says on Reuter’s, Bluffer said that we must prepare for an Australian style exit from the EU? Strange that as Australia never joined the EU to exit it? Australia trades on WTO terms so this is Bluffer pretending we’ll be no worse off than Australia? Australia / Outer Mongolia / Afghanistan / Sierra Leone type deal. Its all the same.
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Post by maxplonk on Oct 16, 2020 11:56:35 GMT
"A failure of statecraft."
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 16, 2020 12:06:21 GMT
He's not there yet.
It is, nonetheless, astonishing how many people are/were/continue to be taken in by this man and the utter shite that pours from his mouth with absolutely no thought for the consequences beyond blowing a dog whistle to appeal to the Order paper wavers on the backbenches and the hard of understanding.
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Post by prettything on Oct 16, 2020 12:37:35 GMT
Unbelievable!
From an “oven baked ready deal”, to a no deal.
He really should be locked up. Incompetent and being a liar is a dangerous cocktail for anybody. He’s hoodwinked a huge amount of people at the ballot box last year on the promise of a deal, and now he is saying the opposite.
I am gobsmacked in him stooping so low and proving his critics right.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 16, 2020 12:38:36 GMT
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Post by Northy on Oct 16, 2020 12:40:37 GMT
Fair point? I’ve just read it and can’t find it? But I think Reuters has said that talks will continue past the 15/10/20 deadline set by Bluffer? They’ ve not exactly packed their bags and come home have they? Might come to nothing anyway if UvdL has had to leave? Has she not heard of a phone or zoom ?
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Oct 16, 2020 12:55:28 GMT
Another deadline come and gone,
Has he found a ditch yet, bluffer johnski
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Post by vokeswagen on Oct 16, 2020 13:00:19 GMT
True! It says on Reuter’s, Bluffer said that we must prepare for an Australian style exit from the EU? Strange that as Australia never joined the EU to exit it? Australia trades on WTO terms so this is Bluffer pretending we’ll be no worse off than Australia? These hard right Brexiteers love institutionally racist Australia don’t they. I wonder why....
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 16, 2020 13:08:42 GMT
True! It says on Reuter’s, Bluffer said that we must prepare for an Australian style exit from the EU? Strange that as Australia never joined the EU to exit it? Australia trades on WTO terms so this is Bluffer pretending we’ll be no worse off than Australia? These hard right Brexiteers love institutionally racist Australia don’t they. I wonder why.... Like this right-winger?
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Post by vokeswagen on Oct 16, 2020 13:30:25 GMT
These hard right Brexiteers love institutionally racist Australia don’t they. I wonder why.... Like this right-winger? I’m seeing a tweet about an individual Australian person but nothing to suggest the tweeter sees Australia itself as some sort of model?!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 16, 2020 13:36:32 GMT
Exactly my thoughts when I saw the bunglecunt on the news earlier talking of 'high hearts' and 'prospering mightily'. Absolute lying wanker.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 16, 2020 13:38:42 GMT
I'm sure some folk will make an extraordinary amount of money from a no deal, not least those hedge fund managers who have been imploring Bluffer to do just that for some time, but probably not the ordinary bloke in the street...
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 16, 2020 13:42:15 GMT
I'm sure some folk will make an extraordinary amount of money from a no deal
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 16, 2020 13:43:09 GMT
I’m seeing a tweet about an individual Australian person but nothing to suggest the tweeter sees Australia itself as some sort of model?! Australia is a country made up of individuals. Galloway, a hard left Brexiteer has spoken of his disgust at our shameful abandonment of the Commonwealth ( dirty word?) because of our membership of the EU. Is any country capable of being a model? The UK isn't too bad....is it?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 16, 2020 14:01:46 GMT
I'm sure some folk will make an extraordinary amount of money from a no deal Sheikhy It seems to me that the only way that a Tory Brexit could have been avoided is if Labour/ Corbyn had backed a true clean Brexit, thus undermining Farage and ERG, and giving the working-class Brexiteer, somewhere to go.....BUT if we did indeed have a so -called socialist/ Labour TRUE Brexit ( not Starmer's conflated deceit) then it would have amounted to the same thing, with the same people making the same amount of money from it. In my opinion. The only way that we could have preve
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Post by vokeswagen on Oct 16, 2020 14:06:08 GMT
I’m seeing a tweet about an individual Australian person but nothing to suggest the tweeter sees Australia itself as some sort of model?! Australia is a country made up of individuals. Galloway, a hard left Brexiteer has spoken of his disgust at our shameful abandonment of the Commonwealth ( dirty word?) because of our membership of the EU. Is any country capable of being a model? The UK isn't too bad....is it? I’m not really sure what you’re getting at here fella but to summarise my position.... George Galloway is just another extremist, a narcissist with a string of unsavoury accusations against him over the years - not dissimilar to Farage or Johnson in that respect. He claims to be left wing but equally he encouraged Arab troops to fight against British troops in the Iraq War so 🤷 Australia is an institutionally racist country and whilst no country is perfect, some make better models than others. The UK isn’t too bad no, although it’s in fairly dire economic trouble and the people in charge don’t look very capable of improving that situation
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 16, 2020 14:13:02 GMT
Australia is a country made up of individuals. Galloway, a hard left Brexiteer has spoken of his disgust at our shameful abandonment of the Commonwealth ( dirty word?) because of our membership of the EU. Is any country capable of being a model? The UK isn't too bad....is it? I’m not really sure what you’re getting at here fella but to summarise my position.... George Galloway is just another extremist, a narcissist with a string of unsavoury accusations against him over the years - not dissimilar to Farage or Johnson in that respect. He claims to be left wing but equally he encouraged Arab troops to fight against British troops in the Iraq War so 🤷 Australia is an institutionally racist country and whilst no country is perfect, some make better models than others. The UK isn’t too bad no, although it’s in fairly dire economic trouble and the people in charge don’t look very capable of improving that situation Your view that it is institutionally racist is pretty irrelevant in the context of Brexit ....it is independent of the EU....in that sense the model works. Most countries have economic challenges at present and if Labour were in power we would have the same challenges, some would say worse. Galloway is probably as you describe, but he is on the left and is in favour of Brexit, as was Benn, Shore...and Corbyn, Hoey, Stuart...
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 16, 2020 14:18:26 GMT
Australia is a country made up of individuals. Galloway, a hard left Brexiteer has spoken of his disgust at our shameful abandonment of the Commonwealth ( dirty word?) because of our membership of the EU. Is any country capable of being a model? The UK isn't too bad....is it? I’m not really sure what you’re getting at here fella but to summarise my position.... George Galloway is just another extremist, a narcissist with a string of unsavoury accusations against him over the years - not dissimilar to Farage or Johnson in that respect. He claims to be left wing but equally he encouraged Arab troops to fight against British troops in the Iraq War so 🤷 Australia is an institutionally racist country and whilst no country is perfect, some make better models than others. The UK isn’t too bad no, although it’s in fairly dire economic trouble and the people in charge don’t look very capable of improving that situation As a pure aside, picking up on "institutionally racist" countries could you do a yes/ no on whether each of the countries listed below are institutionally racist. New Zealand Canada Saudi Arabia Germany France Pakistan Principality of Monaco Armenia Turkey Russia China UK as an entity Scotland
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 16, 2020 14:21:42 GMT
Sheikhy It seems to me that the only way that a Tory Brexit could have been avoided is if Labour/ Corbyn had backed a true clean Brexit, thus undermining Farage and ERG, and giving the working-class Brexiteer, somewhere to go.....BUT if we did indeed have a so -called socialist/ Labour TRUE Brexit ( not Starmer's conflated deceit) then it would have amounted to the same thing, with the same people making the same amount of money from it. In my opinion. The only way that we could have preve Regardless of how it happened, John, some very rich people, very close to the centre of power are set to profit hugely at a time of huge uncertainty and mass unemployment. It's sick.
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Post by vokeswagen on Oct 16, 2020 14:26:25 GMT
I’m not really sure what you’re getting at here fella but to summarise my position.... George Galloway is just another extremist, a narcissist with a string of unsavoury accusations against him over the years - not dissimilar to Farage or Johnson in that respect. He claims to be left wing but equally he encouraged Arab troops to fight against British troops in the Iraq War so 🤷 Australia is an institutionally racist country and whilst no country is perfect, some make better models than others. The UK isn’t too bad no, although it’s in fairly dire economic trouble and the people in charge don’t look very capable of improving that situation Your view that it is institutionally racist is pretty irrelevant in the context of Brexit ....it is independent of the EU....in that sense the model works. Most countries have economic challenges at present and if Labour were in power we would have the same challenges, some would say worse. Galloway is probably as you describe, but he is on the left and is in favour of Brexit, as was Benn, Shore...and Corbyn, Hoey, Stuart... The model works mainly because Australia started talks over a free trade deal nearly two and a half years ago but still doesn’t have one. Look into your future I’m not sure how the hypothetical scenario of “if Labour were in power” is relevant to this. And in fairness it’s entirely impossible to say whether we’d be better, worse or the same if they were. We are where we are.
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Post by vokeswagen on Oct 16, 2020 14:28:08 GMT
I’m not really sure what you’re getting at here fella but to summarise my position.... George Galloway is just another extremist, a narcissist with a string of unsavoury accusations against him over the years - not dissimilar to Farage or Johnson in that respect. He claims to be left wing but equally he encouraged Arab troops to fight against British troops in the Iraq War so 🤷 Australia is an institutionally racist country and whilst no country is perfect, some make better models than others. The UK isn’t too bad no, although it’s in fairly dire economic trouble and the people in charge don’t look very capable of improving that situation As a pure aside, picking up on "institutionally racist" countries could you do a yes/ no on whether each of the countries listed below are institutionally racist. New Zealand Canada Saudi Arabia Germany France Pakistan Principality of Monaco Armenia Turkey Russia China UK as an entity Scotland Why?! And no I can’t, can you? EDIT: I have a view on whether some of them are, but not all
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 16, 2020 14:29:53 GMT
Sheikhy It seems to me that the only way that a Tory Brexit could have been avoided is if Labour/ Corbyn had backed a true clean Brexit, thus undermining Farage and ERG, and giving the working-class Brexiteer, somewhere to go.....BUT if we did indeed have a so -called socialist/ Labour TRUE Brexit ( not Starmer's conflated deceit) then it would have amounted to the same thing, with the same people making the same amount of money from it. In my opinion. The only way that we could have preve Regardless of how it happened, John, some very rich people, very close to the centre of power are set to profit hugely at a time of huge uncertainty and mass unemployment. It's sick. That's always been the case, irrespective of the government in power..... and irrespective of Brexit. Soros made billions as we know on lack Wednesday. Labour have equally lived with the system. An uphill battle but those who want to change the system have got to get into power, which , short of revolution ( which wouldn't go down well in a democracy), means appealing to the electorate/ the masses....the Left/ Labour have failed to do this.....ok, for a plethora of reasons....but , in my opinion, one current reason was/ is their opposition to Brexit....the biggest political issue of the times....hence Farage and Johnson....and Rees Morgan....no real use in blaming them or the electorate.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 16, 2020 14:33:25 GMT
Your view that it is institutionally racist is pretty irrelevant in the context of Brexit ....it is independent of the EU....in that sense the model works. Most countries have economic challenges at present and if Labour were in power we would have the same challenges, some would say worse. Galloway is probably as you describe, but he is on the left and is in favour of Brexit, as was Benn, Shore...and Corbyn, Hoey, Stuart... The model works mainly because Australia started talks over a free trade deal nearly two and a half years ago but still doesn’t have one. Look into your future I’m not sure how the hypothetical scenario of “if Labour were in power” is relevant to this. And in fairness it’s entirely impossible to say whether we’d be better, worse or the same if they were. We are where we are. We indeed are where we are....we have left the EU in accordance with the expressed wishes of the electorate in a referendum and in elections. No point continuing to moan. And Australia is only cited as an independent country....that trades. I guess that bo country or system would meet your standards.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 16, 2020 14:34:32 GMT
As a pure aside, picking up on "institutionally racist" countries could you do a yes/ no on whether each of the countries listed below are institutionally racist. New Zealand Canada Saudi Arabia Germany France Pakistan Principality of Monaco Armenia Turkey Russia China UK as an entity Scotland Why?! And no I can’t, can you? EDIT: I have a view on whether some of them are, but not all You seem to make it so easy to judge the ones...that seem to suit your argument....just wondering how you make your assessments
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 16, 2020 14:42:45 GMT
Regardless of how it happened, John, some very rich people, very close to the centre of power are set to profit hugely at a time of huge uncertainty and mass unemployment. It's sick. That's always been the case, irrespective of the government in power..... and irrespective of Brexit. Soros made billions as we know on lack Wednesday. Labour have equally lived with the system. An uphill battle but those who want to change the system have got to get into power, which , short of revolution ( which wouldn't go down well in a democracy), means appealing to the electorate/ the masses....the Left/ Labour have failed to do this.....ok, for a plethora of reasons....but , in my opinion, one current reason was/ is their opposition to Brexit....the biggest political issue of the times....hence Farage and Johnson....and Rees Morgan....no real use in blaming them or the electorate. You don't want to blame people on 'betting' on the country to fail and pushing for no deal, despite the Governments own conclusion that it will be a disaster?
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 16, 2020 14:45:08 GMT
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Post by vokeswagen on Oct 16, 2020 14:46:33 GMT
Why?! And no I can’t, can you? EDIT: I have a view on whether some of them are, but not all You seem to make it so easy to judge the ones...that seem to suit your argument....just wondering how you make your assessments I make my assessments based on things I’ve read, learned and experienced in my life. This isn’t an unusual basis on which to make assessments. It’s also not unusual (outside the Oatcake at any rate ) to admit if something isn’t within your knowledge base. Institutional racism in Armenia being a prime example... It has nothing to do with suiting my argument - Australia is what was being talked about in the thread. If you’re triggered by that then I’m sorry you feel that way
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