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Post by nicholasjalcock on Oct 7, 2020 9:39:15 GMT
Reuter’s reported yesterday that talks were going much better and that the EU has now said end November not start of November will be the timescale they’re working to before ratification?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 7, 2020 10:58:03 GMT
Reuter’s reported yesterday that talks were going much better and that the EU has now said end November not start of November will be the timescale they’re working to before ratification? Not surprised at all, if accurate. These 'deadlines' are nothing of the sort
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 7, 2020 14:26:19 GMT
Reuter’s reported yesterday that talks were going much better and that the EU has now said end November not start of November will be the timescale they’re working to before ratification? Nothing would surprise me there probably waiting for the covid situation to get worse So the individual parliaments and citizens are so worried about that They won’t be to bothered about a cobbled together bullshit deal
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 7, 2020 14:30:31 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 7, 2020 18:28:29 GMT
Nobody benefits from no deal, but one side will lose out far more than the other as the LSE report showed.
I still think they'll cobble some sellable fudge together which allows the UK to blether on about winning sovereignty etc and the EU to blether on about protecting the integrity of the single market.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 7, 2020 20:46:13 GMT
Nobody benefits from no deal, but one side will lose out far more than the other as the LSE report showed. I still think they'll cobble some sellable fudge together which allows the UK to blether on about winning sovereignty etc and the EU to blether on about protecting the integrity of the single market. Brexit: Michael Gove says chance EU trade deal will be struck about 66%And 6 numbers for this weeks Lottery when you get a min.
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 8, 2020 10:19:21 GMT
Who knew russians, dark money, facebook blah blah blah Lads looks like its back to blame it on the bus
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 8, 2020 13:38:40 GMT
Odd how the Telegraph is reporting the latest climbdown by the UK negotiators:
"Negotiators are close to clinching a deal which would tie the UK into remaining subjects of the European Court of Human Rights. The UK would sacrifice a new extradition treaty and access to EU criminal databases if it quite the international agreement. Separately, David Frost, the UK's chief negotiator, signalled a separate concession over subsidy law. Lord Frost also said that Bluffer's deadline of October 15 could be hit."
I guess they need to sell it to their readers somehow as a positive thing?
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 8, 2020 14:47:23 GMT
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Oct 8, 2020 16:12:02 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 11, 2020 9:46:32 GMT
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Oct 11, 2020 13:46:12 GMT
I just checked out the CBP and it is a rogues’ gallery of ERGers and WTOers? It includes all the usual suspects e.g. Paterson, Minford, Sammy Wilson et al. It’s not what you would call fair and balanced? Why bother with all this fake intellectualism when you can read The Express?😜
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 11, 2020 14:54:19 GMT
I just checked out the CBP and it is a rogues’ gallery of ERGers and WTOers? It includes all the usual suspects e.g. Paterson, Minford, Sammy Wilson et al. It’s not what you would call fair and balanced? Why bother with all this fake intellectualism when you can read The Express?😜 Hopefully all the things they say can't be agreed are not true then. I don't realistically expect to get a "Canada agreement" and do expect a compromise but it seems at the moment some EU demands are beyond the pale (if I can use an Irish expression) and it's as though the EU wants to punish us for leaving.
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 11, 2020 18:21:27 GMT
I just checked out the CBP and it is a rogues’ gallery of ERGers and WTOers? It includes all the usual suspects e.g. Paterson, Minford, Sammy Wilson et al. It’s not what you would call fair and balanced? Why bother with all this fake intellectualism when you can read The Express?😜 Hopefully all the things they say can't be agreed are not true then. I don't realistically expect to get a "Canada agreement" and do expect a compromise but it seems at the moment some EU demands are beyond the pale (if I can use an Irish expression) and it's as though the EU wants to punish us for leaving. The Eu need to punish us for the simple reason the Eu cannot affords the uk to be better off out Or other countries will be out quicker than rats off a sinking ship
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 12, 2020 11:28:35 GMT
Hopefully all the things they say can't be agreed are not true then. I don't realistically expect to get a "Canada agreement" and do expect a compromise but it seems at the moment some EU demands are beyond the pale (if I can use an Irish expression) and it's as though the EU wants to punish us for leaving. The Eu need to punish us for the simple reason the Eu cannot affords the uk to be better off out Or other countries will be out quicker than rats off a sinking ship. Why anyone would think that wasn't obvious from the word go is a bit odd, if anybody did. What did you expect, that they'd go, ok, off you go, take all the contributions you used to make and would you like to trade on precisely the same terms and conditions too? Certainly, sir...Baffling that anyone would think that! It does further undermine the nonsense that we held all the negotiating cards as most Brexiteers and government ministers believed. I think the world's second largest economy and third in terms of purchasing power will probably manage quite effectively without the UK. Obviously, they'll have to amend their budget to take into account the absence of the UK's contribution, probably by reducing spending commitments, but that's no surprise, we did precisely the same during most of the last decade.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 12, 2020 11:34:14 GMT
Meanwhile...
Brexit persuades 150bn of City assets to make their home in France, says DT.
At least 150bn of assets have decamped to France ahead of Brexit. As the Trade talks enter a critical week, it was announced that 21 investment firms, four credit institutions and seven third-country branches had moved to France and applied for authorisation to ensure continuity of activities. IN addition a further 31 entities, mainly investment firms, had applied for a licence to operate in France.
Even in the event of a trade deal, Britain will have left the single market and things will change significantly for financial services.
This month Ernst and Young announced that more than 7,500 jobs had been uprooted to the Continent since the referendum, with at least 24 financial services firms publicly recording more than £1.2tn of asset transfers. Luxembourg, Dublin, Paris and Frankfurt were the firms' favourite destinations for relocation.
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Post by vokeswagen on Oct 12, 2020 19:55:28 GMT
Who knew russians, dark money, facebook blah blah blah Lads looks like its back to blame it on the bus It’s funny that you’re willing to accept the Information Commissioner’s Office’s word on this thread but not the President of the Law Society’s word on a different thread. What could the difference between the professional judgements of these two respected offices be I wonder... 🤔
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 12, 2020 22:54:28 GMT
Meanwhile... Brexit persuades 150bn of City assets to make their home in France, says DT. At least 150bn of assets have decamped to France ahead of Brexit. As the Trade talks enter a critical week, it was announced that 21 investment firms, four credit institutions and seven third-country branches had moved to France and applied for authorisation to ensure continuity of activities. IN addition a further 31 entities, mainly investment firms, had applied for a licence to operate in France. Even in the event of a trade deal, Britain will have left the single market and things will change significantly for financial services. This month Ernst and Young announced that more than 7,500 jobs had been uprooted to the Continent since the referendum, with at least 24 financial services firms publicly recording more than £1.2tn of asset transfers. Luxembourg, Dublin, Paris and Frankfurt were the firms' favourite destinations for relocation. There is bound to be some adjustment in where firms locate in terms of financial assets and people with the UK having left the EU. While we have been members of the EU, the UK has lost millions of jobs in the manufacturing sector*, while many EU countries have grown their industry, notably Germany. *Teesside steelworks alone employed 25,000 once, now there are a few hundred. 7,500 jobs in London is trivial compared to third of a million steel workers jobs lost since the 1960s, and the number of jobs in London. You have been quick to point out in the past that the UK's financial support of the EU for the last 40 years is a small fraction of the UK GNP. Regarding your post I would point out that: 1. The actual amount of capital and jobs that have left the UK for EU destinations is much less than the doom and gloom merchants were predicting at the time of the referendum. 2. The financial assets of the financial services industry in London is circa 9 trillion Euros, and less than half the total financial assets of the UK. (49% actually pre-pandemic) 3. The number of people employed in financial services in London is over a third of a million, which is over four times the amount of Frankfurt, the largest EU financial centre. As I have repeatedly pointed out, most of our trade is with none EU countries, which are growing faster (pre-pandemic) than the EU countries. That is where our future lies. Most of the top 20 world economies are not in the EU. Why do you keep painting a negative picture of your country? You quoted firms leaving the UK and include companies opening branches in Europe to continue earning revenue for UK companies. Please read the link attached: www.bovill.com/london-set-to-remain-financial-services-capital-of-europe-as-over-1000-eu-firms-plan-to-open-uk-offices/Isn't it logical the companies open up offices in other countries to promote their business? It is clear to me that Europe will stagnate in the future, while the rest of the world grows more rapidly (post pandemic) That is where the future of the UK lies. We have left the EU, and will never go back in, get over it, and stop keep posting negative posts.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 12, 2020 23:19:00 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 13, 2020 6:38:28 GMT
Meanwhile... Brexit persuades 150bn of City assets to make their home in France, says DT. At least 150bn of assets have decamped to France ahead of Brexit. As the Trade talks enter a critical week, it was announced that 21 investment firms, four credit institutions and seven third-country branches had moved to France and applied for authorisation to ensure continuity of activities. IN addition a further 31 entities, mainly investment firms, had applied for a licence to operate in France. Even in the event of a trade deal, Britain will have left the single market and things will change significantly for financial services. This month Ernst and Young announced that more than 7,500 jobs had been uprooted to the Continent since the referendum, with at least 24 financial services firms publicly recording more than £1.2tn of asset transfers. Luxembourg, Dublin, Paris and Frankfurt were the firms' favourite destinations for relocation. There is bound to be some adjustment in where firms locate in terms of financial assets and people with the UK having left the EU. While we have been members of the EU, the UK has lost millions of jobs in the manufacturing sector*, while many EU countries have grown their industry, notably Germany. *Teesside steelworks alone employed 25,000 once, now there are a few hundred. 7,500 jobs in London is trivial compared to third of a million steel workers jobs lost since the 1960s, and the number of jobs in London. You have been quick to point out in the past that the UK's financial support of the EU for the last 40 years is a small fraction of the UK GNP. Regarding your post I would point out that: 1. The actual amount of capital and jobs that have left the UK for EU destinations is much less than the doom and gloom merchants were predicting at the time of the referendum. 2. The financial assets of the financial services industry in London is circa 9 trillion Euros, and less than half the total financial assets of the UK. (49% actually pre-pandemic) 3. The number of people employed in financial services in London is over a third of a million, which is over four times the amount of Frankfurt, the largest EU financial centre. As I have repeatedly pointed out, most of our trade is with none EU countries, which are growing faster (pre-pandemic) than the EU countries. That is where our future lies. Most of the top 20 world economies are not in the EU. Why do you keep painting a negative picture of your country? You quoted firms leaving the UK and include companies opening branches in Europe to continue earning revenue for UK companies. Please read the link attached: www.bovill.com/london-set-to-remain-financial-services-capital-of-europe-as-over-1000-eu-firms-plan-to-open-uk-offices/Isn't it logical the companies open up offices in other countries to promote their business? It is clear to me that Europe will stagnate in the future, while the rest of the world grows more rapidly (post pandemic) That is where the future of the UK lies. We have left the EU, and will never go back in, get over it, and stop keep posting negative posts. I was just quoting the DT, a staunchly pro-Brexit paper. If anyone will put a positive Oatcake-like spin on Brexit news, it's them, yet that was not the basis of their report. To quote your good self... "[Leaving without [an oven-ready!] deal] will cause tremendous problems, I know." Or "It will be decades before the benefits of leaving accrue". I appreciate that you don't want to read about the negative reality, but I'm afraid it's there, as you obviously appreciate, and it'd be as silly to ignore it as it would to say the coronavirus is all a sham. Other than a need to stick to your guns, it seems like you're not really convinced either!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 13, 2020 6:54:26 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised to see no deal, we leave without one, but continue the negotiations after we've left, allow all the fuss to die down, everyone moves on, then a deal is quietly announced, with lots of alignment with existing EU Ts & Cs.
By then, no-one will really care, they'll just be glad it's all over.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Oct 13, 2020 8:03:28 GMT
Quick, look! Refugees and fish everywhere.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 13, 2020 8:55:58 GMT
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Post by thevoid on Oct 13, 2020 11:00:47 GMT
You mentioned before that you voted SNP in the past, when you lived up there. Was this before the EU referendum, and if so, can I ask your reasoning for this? I only ask because your voting history doesn't really suggest a willingness to keep the Union together anyway, so why worry about it now? Similarly, it doesn't scream out to me someone who is particularly loyal to the UK.
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Post by Northy on Oct 13, 2020 11:24:45 GMT
NEW FACTORY: A new 57,000 sq ft factory is set to be built at the Advanced Manufacturing Hub in Birmingham. Barberry Industrial has acquired the site and a detailed planning application has been submitted. The multi-million pound investment is expected to create 250 jobs #UKmfg🇬🇧 t.co/tcusOk2ikC
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 13, 2020 11:27:51 GMT
I don't think that he Oatcake represents " public opinion " in any significant way...nor does it purport to do so.....but it is sad that some people seem to hope/ wish ( even if disguised and justified/ excused as an "opinion" on what is likely to happen) that the UK suffers/ has difficulties because of Brexit...so that they can be proved right. Very sad. Perhaps sadder is the inability to understand and come to terms with the fact that we have left the EU and now have the opportunity to forge our own future, for better or for worse. It is indeed frightening and a challenge to be responsible for your own decision making and future but someone has got to do it.
Decisions on food standards etc can and should be made in our own Parliament, it is a pity that those who have captured the role of spokespersons for the Left/Labour have lost any belief that they can win power in the future and determine those standards.....it is something many of us would vote for.....(if it didn't come along with other unacceptable policies and decision makers)
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Post by thevoid on Oct 13, 2020 11:31:22 GMT
I don't think that he Oatcake represents " public opinion " in any significant way...nor does it purport to do so.....but it is sad that some people seem to hope/ wish ( even if disguised and justified/ excused as an "opinion" on what is likely to happen) that the UK suffers/ has difficulties because of Brexit...so that they can be proved right. Very sad. Perhaps sadder is the inability to understand and come to terms with the fact that we have left the EU and now have the opportunity to forge our own future, for better or for worse. It is indeed frightening and a challenge to be responsible for your own decision making and future but someone has got to do it. Decisions on food standards etc can and should be made in our own Parliament, it is a pity that those who have captured the role of spokespersons for the Left/Labour have lost any belief that they can win power in the future and determine those standards.....it is something many of us would vote for.....(if it didn't come along with other unacceptable policies and decision makers) The Oatcake doesn't represent public opinion any more than a Liverpool forum would. I'd imagine if you read a Liverpool forum it would have a far greater left wing/socialist presence than here- and The Oatcake isn't exactly Tory Central 😆
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 13, 2020 12:08:53 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 13, 2020 12:21:22 GMT
US trade deal may mean toxic bread reports Daily Telegraph Carcinogens could be added to bread if American food standards are accepted post Brexit. A new report entitled "US-UK trade deal: the hidden damage to health" listed several carcinogens used in bread manufacturing in America that could find their way to Britain. Toxic additives including potassium bromate and azodicarbonamide are both used as leavening agents in pre-packaged bread, but were banned as food additives by the EU years ago. Clinical trials on rodents have found their consumption can cause kidney and thyroid cancer. Gabrielle Morse, an NHS dietician who authored the report said, "People seem to be aware of the dangers of having products such as chlorinated chicken from the US. But this is not the full extent of the problem. If our food standards are not protected, we face a reality of carcinogenic additives in our bread, salmonella infected eggs and meat filled with far more anti-biotics than we currently have".
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 13, 2020 12:33:07 GMT
I don't think that he Oatcake represents " public opinion " in any significant way...nor does it purport to do so.....but it is sad that some people seem to hope/ wish ( even if disguised and justified/ excused as an "opinion" on what is likely to happen) that the UK suffers/ has difficulties because of Brexit...so that they can be proved right. Very sad. Perhaps sadder is the inability to understand and come to terms with the fact that we have left the EU and now have the opportunity to forge our own future, for better or for worse. It is indeed frightening and a challenge to be responsible for your own decision making and future but someone has got to do it. Decisions on food standards etc can and should be made in our own Parliament, it is a pity that those who have captured the role of spokespersons for the Left/Labour have lost any belief that they can win power in the future and determine those standards.....it is something many of us would vote for.....(if it didn't come along with other unacceptable policies and decision makers) The Oatcake doesn't represent public opinion any more than a Liverpool forum would. I'd imagine if you read a Liverpool forum it would have a far greater left wing/socialist presence than here- and The Oatcake isn't exactly Tory Central 😆 My point is Voidy....I believe that there are alot of people, who mean very well, who have taken on the mantle on behalf of CAUSES , and see themselves as spokespersons for those causes, and have been accepted as the leading lights/ spokespersons for those causes BUT in actuality and in reality have very little connection with, rapport with, affinity to those causes that they think they represent. For example I'm not convinced that BLM is a good or effective representation of the plight/ situation of black people in the UK. Im not convinced that Extinction Rebellion represents the vast majority of people who are concerned about the environment ( my wife is a nature writer/ author and she has reservations about Extinction Rebellion), I'm certain Antifa don't represent many people who are vehemently opposed to fascism....etc....BUT these organisations think , believe or are portrayed as being the voice for these groups. Likewise it is my belief that many Labour politicians/ Left spokespersons/ left media celebrities, whether on a major platform or a minor football forum don't actually represent or speak for those whom traditionally the left were there to represent and I think that they do more harm to the cause than good.
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