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Post by maxplonk on Oct 1, 2020 10:00:29 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 1, 2020 10:01:38 GMT
I agree. But by his own words and actions Farage doesn't. Doesn't what?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 1, 2020 10:04:50 GMT
I agree. But by his own words and actions Farage doesn't. Doesn't what? Agree that it's not all about race and immigration. Although, most of the Farage items about his regular patrols of the Channel are in the Mail, Express, Sun and Telegraph, or on here, so perhaps he does also go on about other aspects of Brexit but we just don't get to hear about it?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 1, 2020 10:13:47 GMT
Agree that it's not all about race and immigration. Although, most of the Farage items about his regular patrols of the Channel are in the Mail, Express, Sun and Telegraph, or on here, so perhaps he does also go on about other aspects of Brexit but we just don't get to hear about it? I don't really know what you are getting at. Illegal immigration is one issue that Farage is concerned about. He does live in Kent. It is significant. People are concerned. Should the EU be concerned about the " immigration " into Greece , Italy and Spain?.... or should they just turn a blind eye to it? Migration through the Mediterranean: Mapping the EU response | European Council on Foreign Relations www.ecfr.eu/specials/mapping_migration. You seem to always want to only emphasise race/ immigration.....perhaps it gives you the moral upper hand. It doesn't solve the problem. On the wider political front he is concerned about independence from the EU.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 1, 2020 10:21:27 GMT
Agree that it's not all about race and immigration. Although, most of the Farage items about his regular patrols of the Channel are in the Mail, Express, Sun and Telegraph, or on here, so perhaps he does also go on about other aspects of Brexit but we just don't get to hear about it? I don't really know what you are getting at. Illegal immigration is one issue that Farage is concerned about. He does live in Kent. It is significant. People are concerned. Should the EU be concerned about the " immigration " into Greece , Italy and Spain?.... or should they just turn a blind eye to it? Migration through the Mediterranean: Mapping the EU response | European Council on Foreign Relations www.ecfr.eu/specials/mapping_migration. You seem to always want to only emphasise race/ immigration.....perhaps it gives you the moral upper hand. It doesn't solve the problem. On the wider political front he is concerned about independence from the EU. My sole point is that's it's Farage that always goes to race/immigration for his usual dog whistle tactics - nothing to do with seeking a 'moral upper hand' by me or anyone else. It's nearly always the only thing he goes on about these days, presumably because he knows it plays well with his supporters? Seems fair enough to point out his focus on the subject on a Brexit thread since that's been his primary tactic on Brexit since day one.
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Post by franklin on Oct 1, 2020 10:54:34 GMT
Interesting point to give some perspective of the UK breaking the law.
Every year, the European Commission draws up an annual report on its monitoring of the application of EU law.
In 2019, the Commission launched 797 infringement cases with highest number in Environment (175), Internal market, industry, entrepreneurship and SMEs (147), and Mobility and Transport (83). At the end of 2019, 1564 infringement procedures remained open. The number of new late transposition cases remained about the same with 406 new cases in 2019 compared to 419 in 2018.
Year after year some countries break every EU law going and yet we're the bad guys. Another interesting point was that the EU had already breach the terms of the WA therfore rendering it worthless.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 1, 2020 10:55:33 GMT
Two weeks to get a deal.
Some British exports could still face EU tariffs even if there is a free trade deal, it emerged after Lord Frost appeared to admit defeat in securing a key demand of the car industry. He told carmakers the EU had rejected a proposal that would allow assembled car parts from non-EU countries count as "British" goods and so qualify for zero tariffs.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 1, 2020 11:08:01 GMT
Interesting point to give some perspective of the UK breaking the law. Every year, the European Commission draws up an annual report on its monitoring of the application of EU law. In 2019, the Commission launched 797 infringement cases with highest number in Environment (175), Internal market, industry, entrepreneurship and SMEs (147), and Mobility and Transport (83). At the end of 2019, 1564 infringement procedures remained open. The number of new late transposition cases remained about the same with 406 new cases in 2019 compared to 419 in 2018. Year after year some countries break every EU law going and yet we're the bad guys. Another interesting point was that the EU had already breach the terms of the WA therfore rendering it worthless. In terms of infringements, we're at the higher than average end of the scale for all EU countries. UK 33 pending cases, France 34, Germany 44, average is 29.
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Post by franklin on Oct 1, 2020 11:12:45 GMT
Interesting point to give some perspective of the UK breaking the law. Every year, the European Commission draws up an annual report on its monitoring of the application of EU law. In 2019, the Commission launched 797 infringement cases with highest number in Environment (175), Internal market, industry, entrepreneurship and SMEs (147), and Mobility and Transport (83). At the end of 2019, 1564 infringement procedures remained open. The number of new late transposition cases remained about the same with 406 new cases in 2019 compared to 419 in 2018. Year after year some countries break every EU law going and yet we're the bad guys. Another interesting point was that the EU had already breach the terms of the WA therfore rendering it worthless. In terms of infringements, we're at the higher than average end of the scale for all EU countries. UK 33 pending cases, France 34, Germany 44, average is 29. We're no different at all so its hardly fair to use breaking the law in this argument regarding the WA and Brexit. And as I've stated the EU have already breached the WA before we ever did so again tough on them. Denying us FTA's and negotiating in good faith both of which the EU have breached. So while they write letters lets hope they've written themselves two.
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Post by xchpotter on Oct 1, 2020 11:23:29 GMT
Interesting point to give some perspective of the UK breaking the law. Every year, the European Commission draws up an annual report on its monitoring of the application of EU law. In 2019, the Commission launched 797 infringement cases with highest number in Environment (175), Internal market, industry, entrepreneurship and SMEs (147), and Mobility and Transport (83). At the end of 2019, 1564 infringement procedures remained open. The number of new late transposition cases remained about the same with 406 new cases in 2019 compared to 419 in 2018. Year after year some countries break every EU law going and yet we're the bad guys. Another interesting point was that the EU had already breach the terms of the WA therfore rendering it worthless. The latest threats around prosecuting the UK just makes me chuckle. It’s going to be such a kangaroo court and will be best compared to the trial of Captain Blackadder and the murder trial of Speckled Jim. Deserves to be treated as the joke the EU is.
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Post by franklin on Oct 1, 2020 11:35:37 GMT
Interesting point to give some perspective of the UK breaking the law. Every year, the European Commission draws up an annual report on its monitoring of the application of EU law. In 2019, the Commission launched 797 infringement cases with highest number in Environment (175), Internal market, industry, entrepreneurship and SMEs (147), and Mobility and Transport (83). At the end of 2019, 1564 infringement procedures remained open. The number of new late transposition cases remained about the same with 406 new cases in 2019 compared to 419 in 2018. Year after year some countries break every EU law going and yet we're the bad guys. Another interesting point was that the EU had already breach the terms of the WA therfore rendering it worthless. The latest threats around prosecuting the UK just makes me chuckle. It’s going to be such a kangaroo court and will be best compared to the trial of Captain Blackadder and the murder trial of Speckled Jim. Deserves to be treated as the joke the EU is. Its laughable the issue is this needs to be shown for what it is just PR from the EU to undermine the Government.
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 1, 2020 11:38:42 GMT
The latest threats around prosecuting the UK just makes me chuckle. It’s going to be such a kangaroo court and will be best compared to the trial of Captain Blackadder and the murder trial of Speckled Jim. Deserves to be treated as the joke the EU is. Its laughable the issue is this needs to be shown for what it is just PR from the EU to undermine the Government. I think we should just tell them to revoke there letter or we will just walk away
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Post by thevoid on Oct 1, 2020 11:51:57 GMT
Interesting point to give some perspective of the UK breaking the law. Every year, the European Commission draws up an annual report on its monitoring of the application of EU law. In 2019, the Commission launched 797 infringement cases with highest number in Environment (175), Internal market, industry, entrepreneurship and SMEs (147), and Mobility and Transport (83). At the end of 2019, 1564 infringement procedures remained open. The number of new late transposition cases remained about the same with 406 new cases in 2019 compared to 419 in 2018. Year after year some countries break every EU law going and yet we're the bad guys. Another interesting point was that the EU had already breach the terms of the WA therfore rendering it worthless. In terms of infringements, we're at the higher than average end of the scale for all EU countries. UK 33 pending cases, France 34, Germany 44, average is 29. So the 'Big Two' are worse than us then.
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Post by franklin on Oct 1, 2020 11:53:49 GMT
Its laughable the issue is this needs to be shown for what it is just PR from the EU to undermine the Government. I think we should just tell them to revoke there letter or we will just walk away I would 🤷♂️ but I'm not the PM. I wonder if they hold press conference's for all the alleged breaches of EU law or just in this case. And if im honest both France and Germany have had and still have more breaches than us so they're in no position to lecture. Especially on state aid which is rife in those two countries, see Thomas Cook whos German side of the opperation is still viable or was (Condor)
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Post by franklin on Oct 1, 2020 11:55:22 GMT
In terms of infringements, we're at the higher than average end of the scale for all EU countries. UK 33 pending cases, France 34, Germany 44, average is 29. So the 'Big Two' are worse than us then. They are have been and will be, its every year even Macron ignored the EU laws.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 1, 2020 11:56:08 GMT
I don't really know what you are getting at. Illegal immigration is one issue that Farage is concerned about. He does live in Kent. It is significant. People are concerned. Should the EU be concerned about the " immigration " into Greece , Italy and Spain?.... or should they just turn a blind eye to it? Migration through the Mediterranean: Mapping the EU response | European Council on Foreign Relations www.ecfr.eu/specials/mapping_migration. You seem to always want to only emphasise race/ immigration.....perhaps it gives you the moral upper hand. It doesn't solve the problem. On the wider political front he is concerned about independence from the EU. My sole point is that's it's Farage that always goes to race/immigration for his usual dog whistle tactics - nothing to do with seeking a 'moral upper hand' by me or anyone else. It's nearly always the only thing he goes on about these days, presumably because he knows it plays well with his supporters? Seems fair enough to point out his focus on the subject on a Brexit thread since that's been his primary tactic on Brexit since day one. It isn't always what he goes on about. Over the past 20 years his main focus by far has been leaving the EU. It still is. At the moment illegal immigration is an important issue....more people came into the country illegally via Kent in September than the whole of last year. People are concerned about it. It isn't over reported. I brought up Farage in this section of the debate in response to Max and his comments about Boris's leadership in respect of Brexit, nothing to do with race/ foreigners/ immigration You brought race/ immigration into it as you usually do...you are obsessed with it, not so Farage. He's just more popular.
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Post by thevoid on Oct 1, 2020 12:36:39 GMT
So the 'Big Two' are worse than us then. They are have been and will be, its every year even Macron ignored the EU laws. I was under the impression we were a 'rogue state' with the White Cliffs housing a giant nuclear device we can point at France and stuff?
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Post by franklin on Oct 1, 2020 12:46:53 GMT
They are have been and will be, its every year even Macron ignored the EU laws. I was under the impression we were a 'rogue state' with the White Cliffs housing a giant nuclear bomb we can point at France and stuff? Propaganda mate we're far from the worst offenders about 450 per year are sent "letters" lots of fines Greece were threatened with some kind of expulsion from the EU to make them give in and they paid €10 million for the pleasure. In 2019 there were over 1400 infractions of breaking EU law.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 3, 2020 12:06:52 GMT
I can see the 'final' date for a deal being kicked back again if it means actually finalising a deal shortly after.
We've had so many deadlines being extended and ignored so far, what price another one?
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Oct 3, 2020 13:11:09 GMT
I can see the 'final' date for a deal being kicked back again if it means actually finalising a deal shortly after. We've had so many deadlines being extended and ignored so far, what price another one? Very high as there won’t be a general election for four years! The electorate has very short memories and Boris knows this time he can drop the bravado to claim his responsibility has got a good deal?
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 3, 2020 16:32:37 GMT
Well that was a load of nothing"They endorsed the assessment of both chief negotiators that progress had been made in recent weeks but that significant gaps remained, notably but not only in the areas of fisheries, the level playing field, and governance. "They instructed their chief negotiators to work intensively in order to try to bridge those gaps.Looks like double secret probation it is then.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 3, 2020 18:06:57 GMT
Well that was a load of nothing"They endorsed the assessment of both chief negotiators that progress had been made in recent weeks but that significant gaps remained, notably but not only in the areas of fisheries, the level playing field, and governance. "They instructed their chief negotiators to work intensively in order to try to bridge those gaps.Looks like double secret probation it is then. Toga, toga, toga...
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 6, 2020 9:26:42 GMT
It's all gone a bit quiet, hasn't it!
Anyone think it's the calm before the big announcement, or will there be another small delay while the final details are ironed out?
I see Nissan and Toyota want the UK govt to compensate them for losses in the event of tariffs. I thought the government had already promised that to Nissan in their infamous letter under Theresa May?
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Post by lordb on Oct 6, 2020 9:48:32 GMT
It's all gone a bit quiet, hasn't it! Anyone think it's the calm before the big announcement, or will there be another small delay while the final details are ironed out? I see Nissan and Toyota want the UK govt to compensate them for losses in the event of tariffs. I thought the government had already promised that to Nissan in their infamous letter under Theresa May? Not expecting any announcements unless it's to say we haven't agreed a deal If there is a deal it will be very last minute
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 6, 2020 9:50:14 GMT
I can see the 'final' date for a deal being kicked back again if it means actually finalising a deal shortly after. We've had so many deadlines being extended and ignored so far, what price another one? Very high as there won’t be a general election for four years! The electorate has very short memories and Boris knows this time he can drop the bravado to claim his responsibility has got a good deal? And a large amount of his voters will not forgive or forget a sellout Control of British waters Governance of this country entirely in the control of the British government and the British court’s State aid In the control solely of the British government These are not negotiable in the eyes of millions of voters
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 6, 2020 14:37:56 GMT
Very high as there won’t be a general election for four years! The electorate has very short memories and Boris knows this time he can drop the bravado to claim his responsibility has got a good deal? And a large amount of his voters will not forgive or forget a sellout Control of British waters Governance of this country entirely in the control of the British government and the British court’s State aid In the control solely of the British government These are not negotiable in the eyes of millions of voters I disagree. Once we're out and it's done and dusted, most people won't give a shit about the details, assuming they even do already. Your average voter I mean, not us on here who clearly are bothered. They'll go back to giving as much of a monkey's about Europe as they did ten years ago.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Oct 6, 2020 19:42:15 GMT
And a large amount of his voters will not forgive or forget a sellout Control of British waters Governance of this country entirely in the control of the British government and the British court’s State aid In the control solely of the British government These are not negotiable in the eyes of millions of voters I disagree. Once we're out and it's done and dusted, most people won't give a shit about the details, assuming they even do already. Your average voter I mean, not us on here who clearly are bothered. They'll go back to giving as much of a monkey's about Europe as they did ten years ago. Exactly this. Most people didn't give a fuck about the EU until they were told what to believe about it. Most people had absolutely no idea what they were truly voting for on both sides of the debate - I mean, how could we have done? They have whole government departments to deal with all the different aspects of our relationship with the EU, and yet me and every other normo were supposed to fully understand it in our one brain having had next to no dealings with any of it. It was a ridiculous binary referendum that should never have been put to the people. I'd have rather voted on HS2.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Oct 6, 2020 19:54:50 GMT
Very high as there won’t be a general election for four years! The electorate has very short memories and Boris knows this time he can drop the bravado to claim his responsibility has got a good deal? And a large amount of his voters will not forgive or forget a sellout Control of British waters Governance of this country entirely in the control of the British government and the British court’s State aid In the control solely of the British government These are not negotiable in the eyes of millions of voters Where do you think British waters extend to
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Post by elystokie on Oct 6, 2020 20:45:57 GMT
And a large amount of his voters will not forgive or forget a sellout Control of British waters Governance of this country entirely in the control of the British government and the British court’s State aid In the control solely of the British government These are not negotiable in the eyes of millions of voters Where do you think British waters extend to No buggers going to take any notice anyway, it's not as though we have the resources to police them.
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 6, 2020 22:01:33 GMT
This link shows the fishing areas and quotas: theconversation.com/fact-check-is-80-of-uk-fish-given-away-to-the-rest-of-europe-39966Farage's claim that the EU take 80% of the fish in UK waters is an exaggeration, it is only 70% and Macron wants it to stay that way and refuses to give any ground. The UK has proposed there is a 3 year phased period where the amount of fish taken by EU countries is gradually reduced. This proposal has been rejected by Brussels.
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