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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 25, 2020 17:57:09 GMT
Liz Truss hit out at America for "unfair" trade practices as almost £50bn was wiped from the FTSE 100 amid fears of new transatlantic tariffs.
In her most critical comments of Washington's approach to negotiations over a new deal, the Trade Secretary said that the US is failing to live up to its high-minded ideals and must open up its markets for British exports.
It came as the White House threatened to impose new duties on $3.1bn of European goods including biscuits and gin as part of a long-running dispute over subsidies for aircraft maker Airbus.
Markets dropped around the world as jitters over a new trade war combined with fears of a second wave of Covid-19 after infections jumped in the US. The FTSE 100 dropped 3.1pc while the Dow Jones was down 2.9pc in early trade.
Speaking to MPs on the International Trade Committee, Mrs Truss said: “The US talks a good game about free trade and low tariffs but the reality is that many UK products have been kept unfairly out of their markets. We're not going to rush into a deal and there is no deadline.”
She cited 25pc American tariffs on British steel and threats of further levies on cars, adding that a US ban on lamb imports amounted to protectionism.
America is now threatening a new wave of tariffs as part of the Airbus spat. British exports of whisky, gin, shortbread and cashmere to the US could all face 25pc levies under its latest plans.
The International Monetary Fund (IMF) on Wednesday warned of the threat of trade tensions in its latest World Economic Outlook, which forecasts a 12pc fall in global trade this year.
The European Union recently announced plans to move ahead with a digital levy that would mainly hit US tech titans such as Google and Amazon.
IMF analysts said: "Beyond the pandemic, policymakers must co-operate to address the economic issues underlying trade and technology tensions as well as gaps in the rules-based multilateral trading system,” it said.
Mrs Truss also assured MPs that agricultural standards would not be compromised in a US-UK deal.
A ban on chlorinated chicken was "already in UK law" as part of the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement and monitored by the Food Standards Agency, she said.
However, Mrs Truss twice refused to rule out a “dual-tariff” regime, which would impose lower duties on higher quality goods such as organically reared free-range meat in order to encourage foreign producers to raise their animal welfare to British levels.
US trade representative Robert Lighthizer has said a trade deal with Britain is “almost impossible” before the November presidential elections.
Mrs Truss added that the UK would not be “bounced into a quick deal” with Japan, after Tokyo’s chief negotiator Hiroshi Matsuura, gave Britain only six weeks to strike an arrangement – a blow to the Government, which had hoped to secure deep trade liberalisation with the country.
Ms Truss repeatedly declined to say whether she had been given assurances about the future of her department, after speculation it will be folded into the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO).
She said: “The Prime Minister is very clear that the Department for International Trade (DIT) remains and has a lot of important work to do."
Angus MacNeil, the SNP MP who chairs the Trade committee, asked: “We know it remains, but how long for?”
Mrs Truss said: “What is also clear is that we have to speak with one voice internationally, which is why I’m working very closely with the Foreign Secretary, which is why our trade commissioners are working closely with local ambassadors and high commissioners."
Asked about the impact of the rumours on staff morale at DIT – as well as talk that Antonia Romeo, its permanent secretary, is being lined up to replace Simon McDonald, the head of the FCO – Ms Truss said her staff are doing a “fantastic job”.
Presented with DIT’s own analysis that the trade deal it seeks to strike with New Zealand could have a negative long-term effect on the UK economy, Ms Truss disputed the value of her department’s forecasts. “These are scoping studies about a hypothetical deal."
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 25, 2020 18:02:57 GMT
There persists a view in many people's minds that Farage and Brexit supporters like me are anti- European. I know many wonderful people on the continent and was conversing by e mail with a German friend last week. I am anti EU. I used to be in favour of being in the EEC ("common market") and could see the value of it, BUT I don't want my country governed by a bureaucracy in Brussels. There is huge corruption in Europe. I worked for a large French company for some years, and there was one set of rules for the French plants and another set of rules for the plants the company owned in other countries. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_FranceI met corruption in the UK during my career, but not on the scale I saw in France. How can any pro European justify the facts that France has less than double the area of land in agriculture than the UK, has about twice as many people employed in agriculture as the UK, but receives nearly three times the CAP subsidy as the UK? We are out now and I'm glad, but I still care for my European friends. Farage's first wife is Irish and his second wife is German. My first wife was Irish. My family are Irish and I love travelling. To say people who voted to Leave are racist is lazy stereotyping, but everything has to be put in a little box and dressed with a bow these days. Has anyone on here actually said that though about everyone who voted Leave? Or is it just another case of inventing an alleged position so it can be argued against and all those who voted Leave can feel a bit better by arguing against something that hasn't actually occurred? Not all Leave voters are racists that's for sure. However, I'd be confident that all racists voted Leave.
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Post by xchpotter on Jun 25, 2020 18:18:06 GMT
My family are Irish and I love travelling. To say people who voted to Leave are racist is lazy stereotyping, but everything has to be put in a little box and dressed with a bow these days. Has anyone on here actually said that though about everyone who voted Leave? Or is it just another case of inventing an alleged position so it can be argued against and all those who voted Leave can feel a bit better by arguing against something that hasn't actually occurred? Not all Leave voters are racists that's for sure. However, I'd be confident that all racists voted Leave. Ok, so based upon that logic are you saying that all of the anti semites in the Labour Party voted Leave then?
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Post by Timmypotter on Jun 25, 2020 18:23:19 GMT
My family are Irish and I love travelling. To say people who voted to Leave are racist is lazy stereotyping, but everything has to be put in a little box and dressed with a bow these days. Has anyone on here actually said that though about everyone who voted Leave? Or is it just another case of inventing an alleged position so it can be argued against and all those who voted Leave can feel a bit better by arguing against something that hasn't actually occurred? Not all Leave voters are racists that's for sure. However, I'd be confident that all racists voted Leave. HOUSE!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 25, 2020 18:25:45 GMT
Has anyone on here actually said that though about everyone who voted Leave? Or is it just another case of inventing an alleged position so it can be argued against and all those who voted Leave can feel a bit better by arguing against something that hasn't actually occurred? Not all Leave voters are racists that's for sure. However, I'd be confident that all racists voted Leave. Ok, so based upon that logic are you saying that all of the anti semites in the Labour Party voted Leave then? I've no idea. You'd have to ask the anti-Semites in the Labour party if they're solely anti-Semitic or racist in general. If they're racist in general, then I'd be inclined to think that they'd lean towards Leave like most racists probably did. For your interest: www.nature.com/articles/s41599-018-0214-5
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 25, 2020 18:30:43 GMT
Ok, so based upon that logic are you saying that all of the anti semites in the Labour Party voted Leave then? I've no idea. You'd have to ask the anti-Semites in the Labour party if they're solely anti-Semitic or racist in general. If they're racist in general, then I'd be inclined to think that they'd lean towards Leave like most racists probably did. For your interest: www.nature.com/articles/s41599-018-0214-5Well that isn't bad you've gone from all to most in the space of a post
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Post by xchpotter on Jun 25, 2020 18:36:54 GMT
Ok, so based upon that logic are you saying that all of the anti semites in the Labour Party voted Leave then? I've no idea. You'd have to ask the anti-Semites in the Labour party if they're solely anti-Semitic or racist in general. If they're racist in general, then I'd be inclined to think that they'd lean towards Leave like most racists probably did. For your interest: www.nature.com/articles/s41599-018-0214-5Well I presumed you must know as you made the sweeping statement of “However, I'd be confident that all racists voted Leave.“ You seemed pretty clear so I just thought what you said must be factual, unless it’s not of course.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 25, 2020 18:45:38 GMT
I've no idea. You'd have to ask the anti-Semites in the Labour party if they're solely anti-Semitic or racist in general. If they're racist in general, then I'd be inclined to think that they'd lean towards Leave like most racists probably did. For your interest: www.nature.com/articles/s41599-018-0214-5Well I presumed you must know as you made the sweeping statement of “However, I'd be confident that all racists voted Leave.“ You seemed pretty clear so I just thought what you said must be factual, unless it’s not of course. Nope. "I'd be confident all racists voted Leave" is a statement of my opinion. I suspect I'm right. And that research analysis would suggest so too, not that it should come as a surprise to anyone, but clearly does to several on here. In-group purity, xenophobia, distrust/dislike of foreigners, outright racism are all parts of the same spectrum of prejudice towards those who are "different". I'd be amazed if many racists voted in favour of "being told what to do by Brussels" etc or reacted positively to comments about "swarms of Romanians" etc! I'm surprised it's even remotely contentious, although I get that it's not pleasant to read.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 25, 2020 19:00:18 GMT
Well I presumed you must know as you made the sweeping statement of “However, I'd be confident that all racists voted Leave.“ You seemed pretty clear so I just thought what you said must be factual, unless it’s not of course. Nope. "I'd be confident all racists voted Leave" is a statement of my opinion. I suspect I'm right. And that research analysis would suggest so too, not that it should come as a surprise to anyone. In-group purity, xenophobia, distrust/dislike of foreigners, outright racism are all parts of the same spectrum of prejudice towards those who are "different". I'd be amazed if many racists voted in favour of "being told what to do by Brussels" etc or reacted positively to comments about "swarms of Romanians" etc! I'm surprised it's even remotely contentious, although I get that it's not pleasant to read. Are we now looking for guilt by association. You are certainly not doing black people any favours, quite the reverse. Let's weaponise everything as long as you think that you have won an argument...that you've already lost....largely on the back.of ordinary working class voters. No you have not hit a nerve. Just sadness...and perhaps a bit of pity.
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Post by xchpotter on Jun 25, 2020 19:02:35 GMT
Well I presumed you must know as you made the sweeping statement of “However, I'd be confident that all racists voted Leave.“ You seemed pretty clear so I just thought what you said must be factual, unless it’s not of course. Nope. "I'd be confident all racists voted Leave" is a statement of my opinion. I suspect I'm right. And that research analysis would suggest so too, not that it should come as a surprise to anyone. In-group purity, xenophobia, distrust/dislike of foreigners, outright racism are all parts of the same spectrum of prejudice towards those who are "different". I'd be amazed if many racists voted in favour of "being told what to do by Brussels" etc or reacted positively to comments about "swarms of Romanians" etc! I'm surprised it's even remotely contentious, although I get that it's not pleasant to read. That’s that sorted then, it’s your opinion not a fact, thanks.
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Jun 25, 2020 19:13:27 GMT
Well I presumed you must know as you made the sweeping statement of “However, I'd be confident that all racists voted Leave.“ You seemed pretty clear so I just thought what you said must be factual, unless it’s not of course. Nope. "I'd be confident all racists voted Leave" is a statement of my opinion. I suspect I'm right. And that research analysis would suggest so too, not that it should come as a surprise to anyone. In-group purity, xenophobia, distrust/dislike of foreigners, outright racism are all parts of the same spectrum of prejudice towards those who are "different". I'd be amazed if many racists voted in favour of "being told what to do by Brussels" etc or reacted positively to comments about "swarms of Romanians" etc! I'm surprised it's even remotely contentious, although I get that it's not pleasant to read. I feel for you. To carry that much hate and mistrust for people of a different opinion than you on sovereign independence must make life really unpleasant.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 26, 2020 7:35:15 GMT
Nope. "I'd be confident all racists voted Leave" is a statement of my opinion. I suspect I'm right. And that research analysis would suggest so too, not that it should come as a surprise to anyone. In-group purity, xenophobia, distrust/dislike of foreigners, outright racism are all parts of the same spectrum of prejudice towards those who are "different". I'd be amazed if many racists voted in favour of "being told what to do by Brussels" etc or reacted positively to comments about "swarms of Romanians" etc! I'm surprised it's even remotely contentious, although I get that it's not pleasant to read. I feel for you. To carry that much hate and mistrust for people of a different opinion than you on sovereign independence must make life really unpleasant I'd recommend reading the article I referenced above about prejudice, Soro. I realise it doesn't make for comfortable reading and I hope you're not making the same mistake many people do in assuming that everyone who voted Leave falls into the racist category. Obviously they don't. But I'd still bet that all/most racists voted Leave. I suspect most people would agree, even if bringing themselves to do so is uncomfortable and makes them a bit touchy/defensive about the subject. If anyone wishes to supply a similarly researched, peer-reviewed, academic article demonstrating that actually all/most racists chose to vote Remain, or that, in fact, prejudice towards others was a significant factor in choosing to vote Remain, I'll happily change my opinion! (For clarity, by 'academic' I don't mean some shit someone's written on a blog somewhere that's subsequently been tweeted!) I'll wait....
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 26, 2020 7:38:29 GMT
I feel for you. To carry that much hate and mistrust for people of a different opinion than you on sovereign independence must make life really unpleasant I'd recommend reading the article I referenced above about prejudice, Soro. I realise it doesn't make for comfortable reading and I hope you're not making the same mistake many people do in assuming that everyone who voted Leave falls into the racist category. Obviously they don't. But I'd still bet that all/most racists voted Leave. If anyone wishes to supply a similarly researched, peer-reviewed, academic article demonstrating that actually all/most racists chose to vote Remain, or that, in fact, prejudice towards others was a significant in choosing to vote Remain, I'll happily change my opinion! (For clarity, by 'academic' I don't mean some shit someone's written on a blog somewhere that's subsequently been tweeted!) I'll wait.... Are you a racist Red?
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 26, 2020 8:01:18 GMT
I'd recommend reading the article I referenced above about prejudice, Soro. I realise it doesn't make for comfortable reading and I hope you're not making the same mistake many people do in assuming that everyone who voted Leave falls into the racist category. Obviously they don't. But I'd still bet that all/most racists voted Leave. If anyone wishes to supply a similarly researched, peer-reviewed, academic article demonstrating that actually all/most racists chose to vote Remain, or that, in fact, prejudice towards others was a significant in choosing to vote Remain, I'll happily change my opinion! (For clarity, by 'academic' I don't mean some shit someone's written on a blog somewhere that's subsequently been tweeted!) I'll wait.... Are you a racist Red? I suspect he might have an aversion to a certain shade of blue.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 26, 2020 8:23:50 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 26, 2020 10:44:47 GMT
Nobody's calling anyone names, although that hasn't stopped the usual straw man argument construction taking place. It does amaze me how many posters will construct their own argument against a perceived slight which wasn't even there! Not just this thread. It's like they can't accept the point, but instead of arguing against it with evidence of their own, will construct a slightly different one to get upset and argue about, BJR being the absolute exemplar of that approach. For a perfect example - see his post two below this one!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 26, 2020 11:08:39 GMT
Brussels plans to tie UK to EU car parts market in Brexit trade talks
EU says UK wants rules allowing it to make cars from parts sourced worldwide before exporting them tariff-free to bloc as British-made
By James Crisp, BRUSSELS CORRESPONDENT
Brussels wants to tie UK car manufacturers into sourcing parts from the EU rather than cheaper imports from elsewhere in the world in trade negotiations with Britain next week.
Michel Barnier, the EU's chief negotiator, warned that Brussels would never sign away thousands of European jobs just for the UK's benefit, speaking ahead of month-long intensified talks that start on Monday.
British negotiators are seeking to use most of the leverage they have over the EU fishing industry's dependence on UK waters to secure major concessions on "rules of origin" trade rules.
The British proposals for the tariff-free Brexit trade deal would mean UK car manufacturers could assemble vehicles with parts from around the world before exporting them to the EU tariff free, Mr Barnier said.
"The UK tells us this is in both our interests," he said at the European Policy Centre think tank in Brussels. "But frankly speaking, why make it easy for UK manufacturers to source nearly all their parts from elsewhere?"
Mr Barnier said: "We produce those very same parts here in the EU," adding that 80 percent of parts imported by UK car manufacturers come from the block.
"Nothing would justify us encouraging UK manufacturers to start sourcing their parts outside of the EU, nothing would justify us signing away tens of thousands of European jobs for the UK's benefit," he said.
About 55 per cent of the UK's 1.06 million car exports went to the EU last year. On Tuesday, the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders warned that Brexit negotiations must deliver a "comprehensive zero-tariff free trade agreement" or the UK automotive sector risks £40 billion production losses by 2025.
Failure to strike a deal before the end of the year will mean the UK and EU trading on less lucrative WTO terms, which will mean tariffs as well as customs checks slowing imports and exports of cars and car parts.
"I believe, once again that the deal is still possible," Mr Barnier said. He added that the EU was ready to compromise to break the deadlock over fishing and the "level playing field" guarantees.
"We will be constructive, as we have always been and respectful and we are ready to be creative to find common ground. But we will never, never sacrifice your long term economic and political interests for the sole benefits of the UK.
"We will not put into question the integrity of our union, our single market, our sovereign capacity to set our own rules. Our duty is and will always remain, until the end, to protect the interests of European citizens and European businesses."
The EU would never abandon its demand for "level playing field" guarantees which would protect European businesses from unfair British competition, he said.
"Even if you were to maintain tariffs on some goods [...]the EU will still demand strong 'level playing field' guarantees," he said. "It is a core part of our modern trade policy and we refuse to compromise our values to benefit the British economy."
David Frost, the UK's chief negotiator, said, "This needs to be a real negotiation, and some of the EU's unrealistic positions will have to change if we are to move forward.
"We have noted carefully what the EU has said in recent days on this subject, and look forward to discussing it.
"UK sovereignty, over our laws, our courts, or our fishing waters, is of course not up for discussion. Equally we do not seek anything which would undermine the integrity of the EU's single market."
Mr Barnier accused the British Government of backtracking on commitments in the non-binding joint Political Declaration, which sets out the aspirations for the trade agreement and demanded a "clear signal" that Britain was willing to abide by the "spirit and the letter" of the declaration.
After Boris Johnson met the three EU presidents on June 15, the Prime Minister said he saw no reason why a trade agreement could not be finalised in July rather than October, which is the EU's target date.
Mr Barnier said such an outcome would need progress on all topics, including the deadlocked issues of fishing and the "level playing field" guarantees.
He blamed Brexiteers in the Tory party for the lack of progress and accused them of making it impossible for the Government to compromise, saying: "We have the Brexiteers and a good part of the Tory party keeping a very hard line on full sovereignty for the UK [...] and no concessions even if it means no deal."
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 26, 2020 11:16:09 GMT
Nobody's calling anyone names, although that hasn't stopped the usual straw man argument construction taking place. It does amaze me how many posters will construct their own argument against a perceived slight which wasn't even there! Not just this thread. It's like they can't accept the point, but instead of arguing against it with evidence of their own, will construct a slightly different one to get upset and argue about, BJR being the absolute exemplar of that approach. No idea if you are referring to my question Red, not name calling at all, just wondering if you considered yourself to be a racist? It seems a reasonable question to ask someone who likes to refer to " others" who are racists who voted Brexit.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 26, 2020 11:21:41 GMT
I feel for you. To carry that much hate and mistrust for people of a different opinion than you on sovereign independence must make life really unpleasant I'd recommend reading the article I referenced above about prejudice, Soro. I realise it doesn't make for comfortable reading and I hope you're not making the same mistake many people do in assuming that everyone who voted Leave falls into the racist category. Obviously they don't. But I'd still bet that all/most racists voted Leave. I suspect most people would agree, even if bringing themselves to do so is uncomfortable and makes them a bit touchy/defensive about the subject. If anyone wishes to supply a similarly researched, peer-reviewed, academic article demonstrating that actually all/most racists chose to vote Remain, or that, in fact, prejudice towards others was a significant factor in choosing to vote Remain, I'll happily change my opinion! (For clarity, by 'academic' I don't mean some shit someone's written on a blog somewhere that's subsequently been tweeted!) I'll wait.... Still waiting...
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Post by Timmypotter on Jun 26, 2020 11:40:41 GMT
Nobody's calling anyone names, although that hasn't stopped the usual straw man argument construction taking place. It does amaze me how many posters will construct their own argument against a perceived slight which wasn't even there! Not just this thread. It's like they can't accept the point, but instead of arguing against it with evidence of their own, will construct a slightly different one to get upset and argue about, BJR being the absolute exemplar of that approach. No idea if you are referring to my question Red, not name calling at all, just wondering if you considered yourself to be a racist? It seems a reasonable question to ask someone who likes to refer to " others" who are racists who voted Brexit. Also a reasonable question to ask someone who voted leave (as he did), when it is their position that all racists voted leave.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 26, 2020 12:46:29 GMT
No idea if you are referring to my question Red, not name calling at all, just wondering if you considered yourself to be a racist? It seems a reasonable question to ask someone who likes to refer to " others" who are racists who voted Brexit. Also a reasonable question to ask someone who voted leave (as he did), when it is their position that all racists voted leave. Never be afraid to change your mind, Timmy, as I will be quite happy to do if someone manages to provide some peer-reviewed research that indicates prejudice and racism were factors behind voting Remain. So far nothing, unlike the wealth of research out there in which the converse is apparent, hence my opinion that all/most racists voted Leave, but not all Leavers are racist. Not so contentious really, I'd have thought?
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Post by thevoid on Jun 26, 2020 13:58:25 GMT
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Jun 26, 2020 22:37:14 GMT
I'd recommend reading the article I referenced above about prejudice, Soro. I realise it doesn't make for comfortable reading and I hope you're not making the same mistake many people do in assuming that everyone who voted Leave falls into the racist category. Obviously they don't. But I'd still bet that all/most racists voted Leave. I suspect most people would agree, even if bringing themselves to do so is uncomfortable and makes them a bit touchy/defensive about the subject. If anyone wishes to supply a similarly researched, peer-reviewed, academic article demonstrating that actually all/most racists chose to vote Remain, or that, in fact, prejudice towards others was a significant factor in choosing to vote Remain, I'll happily change my opinion! (For clarity, by 'academic' I don't mean some shit someone's written on a blog somewhere that's subsequently been tweeted!) I'll wait.... Still waiting... Sorry for my late reply mate, I tend to go to bed in the p.m on a work night, it's my age I didn't read the link I am afraid, did it state how they constitute a racist? Was it all convicted racists or members of a particular membership group? How can a peer reviewed academic article say someone is a racist without a conviction, is it a peer reviewed guess, were they a bit you know northern? The answers may all be in the link you posted so sorry if that is the case. It is very interesting though.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 27, 2020 5:19:18 GMT
Still waiting... Sorry for my late reply mate, I tend to go to bed in the p.m on a work night, it's my age I didn't read the link I am afraid, did it state how they constitute a racist? Was it all convicted racists or members of a particular membership group? How can a peer reviewed academic article say someone is a racist without a conviction, is it a peer reviewed guess, were they a bit you know northern? The answers may all be in the link you posted so sorry if that is the case. It is very interesting though. The article is highly “academic” which doesn’t mean it has any great value but written in pseudo science language to attempt to give it some gravitas. Two things... First a quote... I love this type of writing - it acknowledges the complexity of the Brexit vote then just ignores its own acknowledgement. Second, later in the article it gives a sample size of 200 it used for its survey on UK attitudes which it used to draw conclusions. 200 is woefully inadequate, it should be several thousand. The purpose of this survey was to generate data for an article, not to provide meaningful data. Conclusion, this article is of no intellectual merit. It’s just an opinion piece dressed up as academic study.
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Post by Timmypotter on Jun 27, 2020 6:21:41 GMT
Sorry for my late reply mate, I tend to go to bed in the p.m on a work night, it's my age I didn't read the link I am afraid, did it state how they constitute a racist? Was it all convicted racists or members of a particular membership group? How can a peer reviewed academic article say someone is a racist without a conviction, is it a peer reviewed guess, were they a bit you know northern? The answers may all be in the link you posted so sorry if that is the case. It is very interesting though. The article is highly “academic” which doesn’t mean it has any great value but written in pseudo science language to attempt to give it some gravitas. Two things... First a quote... I love this type of writing - it acknowledges the complexity of the Brexit vote then just ignores its own acknowledgement. Second, later in the article it gives a sample size of 200 it used for its survey on UK attitudes which it used to draw conclusions. 200 is woefully inadequate, it should be several thousand. The purpose of this survey was to generate data for an article, not to provide meaningful data. Conclusion, this article is of no intellectual merit. It’s just an opinion piece dressed up as academic study. Exactly. It's nonsense. I also know that not all racists voted leave, as I was the only member of my family who didn't vote remain and there are some amongst them who at least qualify as casually racist.
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Post by musik on Jun 27, 2020 6:34:22 GMT
Since Sweden, the Swedes, aren't welcome abroad due to Corona, we now close our own borders today.
I can see a new born Albania.
The Social Democrats have faced huge criticism this week for their extremely nazi friendly politics during the WW2, the race institute etc and this week they (surprisingly?) declared they will copy Alternative for Sweden's suggestion of a flat tax level percentage for wages up to 50.000 SEK a month.
Sweden, the new Brazil?
"Swexit, here we come!" I'd say.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 27, 2020 6:38:17 GMT
Brussels plans to tie UK to EU car parts market in Brexit trade talks EU says UK wants rules allowing it to make cars from parts sourced worldwide before exporting them tariff-free to bloc as British-made By James Crisp, BRUSSELS CORRESPONDENT Brussels wants to tie UK car manufacturers into sourcing parts from the EU rather than cheaper imports from elsewhere in the world in trade negotiations with Britain next week. Michel Barnier, the EU's chief negotiator, warned that Brussels would never sign away thousands of European jobs just for the UK's benefit, speaking ahead of month-long intensified talks that start on Monday. British negotiators are seeking to use most of the leverage they have over the EU fishing industry's dependence on UK waters to secure major concessions on "rules of origin" trade rules. The British proposals for the tariff-free Brexit trade deal would mean UK car manufacturers could assemble vehicles with parts from around the world before exporting them to the EU tariff free, Mr Barnier said. "The UK tells us this is in both our interests," he said at the European Policy Centre think tank in Brussels. "But frankly speaking, why make it easy for UK manufacturers to source nearly all their parts from elsewhere?" Mr Barnier said: "We produce those very same parts here in the EU," adding that 80 percent of parts imported by UK car manufacturers come from the block. "Nothing would justify us encouraging UK manufacturers to start sourcing their parts outside of the EU, nothing would justify us signing away tens of thousands of European jobs for the UK's benefit," he said. About 55 per cent of the UK's 1.06 million car exports went to the EU last year. On Tuesday, the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders warned that Brexit negotiations must deliver a "comprehensive zero-tariff free trade agreement" or the UK automotive sector risks £40 billion production losses by 2025. Failure to strike a deal before the end of the year will mean the UK and EU trading on less lucrative WTO terms, which will mean tariffs as well as customs checks slowing imports and exports of cars and car parts. "I believe, once again that the deal is still possible," Mr Barnier said. He added that the EU was ready to compromise to break the deadlock over fishing and the "level playing field" guarantees. "We will be constructive, as we have always been and respectful and we are ready to be creative to find common ground. But we will never, never sacrifice your long term economic and political interests for the sole benefits of the UK. "We will not put into question the integrity of our union, our single market, our sovereign capacity to set our own rules. Our duty is and will always remain, until the end, to protect the interests of European citizens and European businesses." The EU would never abandon its demand for "level playing field" guarantees which would protect European businesses from unfair British competition, he said. "Even if you were to maintain tariffs on some goods [...]the EU will still demand strong 'level playing field' guarantees," he said. "It is a core part of our modern trade policy and we refuse to compromise our values to benefit the British economy." David Frost, the UK's chief negotiator, said, "This needs to be a real negotiation, and some of the EU's unrealistic positions will have to change if we are to move forward. "We have noted carefully what the EU has said in recent days on this subject, and look forward to discussing it. "UK sovereignty, over our laws, our courts, or our fishing waters, is of course not up for discussion. Equally we do not seek anything which would undermine the integrity of the EU's single market." Mr Barnier accused the British Government of backtracking on commitments in the non-binding joint Political Declaration, which sets out the aspirations for the trade agreement and demanded a "clear signal" that Britain was willing to abide by the "spirit and the letter" of the declaration. After Boris Johnson met the three EU presidents on June 15, the Prime Minister said he saw no reason why a trade agreement could not be finalised in July rather than October, which is the EU's target date. Mr Barnier said such an outcome would need progress on all topics, including the deadlocked issues of fishing and the "level playing field" guarantees. He blamed Brexiteers in the Tory party for the lack of progress and accused them of making it impossible for the Government to compromise, saying: "We have the Brexiteers and a good part of the Tory party keeping a very hard line on full sovereignty for the UK [...] and no concessions even if it means no deal." All I can say to that is thank god tory MPs are holding firm on the long march to freedom
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 27, 2020 7:08:02 GMT
Well, there's a surprise, a couple of folk dismissing the research they don't like the findings of, one of whom didn't even bother reading it!!
Still, the challenge is still there if you can, gents.
Find some well researched, peer reviewed academic article, you know, the kind of thing written by people with lots of experience and knowledge in their field, those people we tend to call experts (although I accept that the people have allegedly had enough of experts - Michael Gove!) to demonstrate that voting Remain was influenced by prejudice and racism. I'm afraid random blogs, tweets and newspaper articles by Leavers don't count!
Alternatively, you could google was the Leave vote influenced by racism/prejudice and see how many pieces of research there are showing that.
Of course, the childishly easy option is just to dismiss them all as biased, like the news. You could always just do that if you can't find any and still don't like the findings.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 27, 2020 7:22:33 GMT
Sorry for my late reply mate, I tend to go to bed in the p.m on a work night, it's my age I didn't read the link I am afraid, did it state how they constitute a racist? Was it all convicted racists or members of a particular membership group? How can a peer reviewed academic article say someone is a racist without a conviction, is it a peer reviewed guess, were they a bit you know northern? The answers may all be in the link you posted so sorry if that is the case. It is very interesting though. The article is highly “academic” which doesn’t mean it has any great value but written in pseudo science language to attempt to give it some gravitas. Two things... First a quote... I love this type of writing - it acknowledges the complexity of the Brexit vote then just ignores its own acknowledgement. Second, later in the article it gives a sample size of 200 it used for its survey on UK attitudes which it used to draw conclusions. 200 is woefully inadequate, it should be several thousand. The purpose of this survey was to generate data for an article, not to provide meaningful data. Conclusion, this article is of no intellectual merit. It’s just an opinion piece dressed up as academic study. If you don't like that one, feel free to google it and read any of the myriad other peer-reviewed papers on the subject. Surprising just how many different studies by experts in their fields have come up with similar conclusions. You could just dismiss them all as biased or inadequately researched if that makes it easier? Although they have all been peer-reviewed prior to publication which makes that a bit awkward! And yes, they are the opinions of the authors based on their research findings. The fact that different, independent research streams resulted in similar findings and similar conclusions from the authors is an odd coincidence. I'll wait for a similar paper showing how racism and prejudice influenced the Remain vote...
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Post by numpty40 on Jun 27, 2020 9:21:20 GMT
The article is highly “academic” which doesn’t mean it has any great value but written in pseudo science language to attempt to give it some gravitas. Two things... First a quote... I love this type of writing - it acknowledges the complexity of the Brexit vote then just ignores its own acknowledgement. Second, later in the article it gives a sample size of 200 it used for its survey on UK attitudes which it used to draw conclusions. 200 is woefully inadequate, it should be several thousand. The purpose of this survey was to generate data for an article, not to provide meaningful data. Conclusion, this article is of no intellectual merit. It’s just an opinion piece dressed up as academic study. If you don't like that one, feel free to google it and read any of the myriad other peer-reviewed papers on the subject. Surprising just how many different studies by experts in their fields have come up with similar conclusions. You could just dismiss them all as biased or inadequately researched if that makes it easier? Although they have all been peer-reviewed prior to publication which makes that a bit awkward! And yes, they are the opinions of the authors based on their research findings. The fact that different, independent research streams resulted in similar findings and similar conclusions from the authors is an odd coincidence. I'll wait for a similar paper showing how racism and prejudice influenced the Remain vote... I would imagine that all the studies you refer to were commissioned purely to research the psyche of a leave voter rather than the psyche of a remain voter. Many of the researches are questioning why the country voted for Brexit for which there is a number of different reasons. If you then limit the paper to a question of 'do Brexit voters hold racist views?' then there will be evidence of that because that is what the researchers are looking for. As Timmy pointed out above, I also know people who voted remain who hold casually racist views but didn't want to leave the EU. Have there actually been any research solely on the race views of remainers?
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