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Post by vokeswagen on Apr 14, 2020 21:03:14 GMT
Just watching the Brexit: Uncivil War film on Netflix, about Cummings and Cambridge Analytica. Really interesting actually! Doesn't take sides which I like, and does a lot to expose what the remain side didn't pick up on with regard to voters in deprived areas. The scene where the focus group woman says 'well you tell me how it can get any worse for me, where I'm from' is fantastic. People keep saying that people voted leave for bigoted or for xenophobia or were just plain thick I'm sure there were a few Difficult to know where to begin with this really.
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 14, 2020 23:21:52 GMT
People keep saying that people voted leave for bigoted or for xenophobia or were just plain thick I'm sure there were a few Difficult to know where to begin with this really. How about using a full post rather than being a fucking smart arse and using only pieces
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Post by dutchstokie on Apr 14, 2020 23:33:22 GMT
Yep the italian banks were already in serious trouble wont take much for them to go and start a domino effect. The Greek economy is fcuked the Spanish will collapse as will the Italians this pandemic will be the end of the EU as it is now, the non contributors will sink it finally. The Dutch Finance Minister -Wopke Hoekstra kicked up a stink last week in NOT caving into demands within the EU from the ‘poorer’ ( for want of a better word) countries, who are looking for extra funding to help them out in these trying times. The Netherlands is very comfortable financially and his view is ‘why should we bail you lot out when you fucked up your own economy ‘ but more politely. The upshot of all this is now they’re discussing about also following the path of the U.K. and leaving. Clearly there’s a long long way to go to achieve that BUT as one of the original members , if they DIS leave this would genuinely be a hammer blow. This would undermine the cornerstones of the EU
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 0:33:42 GMT
Yep, the remain campaign had a big shock when they realised people wanted a change, not the status quo. I do wish that change had come in another form, but something was always going to happen after 40 years of neglect from both parties. Both parties didn't neglect the EU , they colluded with the EU and disgracefully deceived the population, which is why it took a movement, led by Farage and UKIP, outside of the traditional political class to effect democracy and change. It could never be claimed that the EU had the overt support of the electorate, UK Eurosceptic parties formed the largest representation in the pseudo parliament which undermines any argument that it was ever the direction in which people wanted to travel. They chose independence, self determination and national identity I meant they neglected a good portion of the people. I don't think the EU has anything to do with anything with regards to this, it seemed to me to be simply background noise for a larger debate about leaving vast swathes of the country behind and pretending everything is great.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 0:35:01 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 15, 2020 7:02:09 GMT
I am about 70/30 its not man made but it does seem strange the virus spread from wuhan round the world but not to other major chinese cities.
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 15, 2020 7:09:18 GMT
I am about 70/30 its not man made but it does seem strange the virus spread from wuhan round the world but not to other major chinese cities. The one thing I will lay at China's door and that is they seemed a lot quicker to stop the internal spread then they were the external spread They were far to slow to stop international flights out of the country
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 15, 2020 7:24:11 GMT
I am about 70/30 its not man made but it does seem strange the virus spread from wuhan round the world but not to other major chinese cities. I must admit that the link you posted from the Washington post makes me think that the virus could equally , or even more likely, to have originated from the research facility rather than from a wet market.It seems too much of a coincidence that the source was a wet market in Wuhan , which happens to be the location of the research. I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but this does not appear to be a conspiracy theory...the lab WAS researching Coronavirus and bats, and did have security issues. Please could someone explain why the wet market is more likely to be the origin?
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 15, 2020 7:25:05 GMT
It is stamped 26th of Feb mind, which in the current climate may as well be years ago...🦠
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Post by Northy on Apr 15, 2020 7:26:06 GMT
That's 2 months old, 13th Feb, not long before that it was being said it couldn't be spread between humans.
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 15, 2020 8:59:07 GMT
I am about 70/30 its not man made but it does seem strange the virus spread from wuhan round the world but not to other major chinese cities. I must admit that the link you posted from the Washington post makes me think that the virus could equally , or even more likely, to have originated from the research facility rather than from a wet market.It seems too much of a coincidence that the source was a wet market in Wuhan , which happens to be the location of the research. I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but this does not appear to be a conspiracy theory...the lab WAS researching Coronavirus and bats, and did have security issues. Please could someone explain why the wet market is more likely to be the origin? It's hard to know one way or the other and I am not sure we will ever know, equally there are plenty of people who still believe the skirpals were poisoned by uk authorities not the russians but this isnt the thread to discuss the ex leadership of the Labour party I think what is likely to happen is that the made in china mark will not aid future sales and there will likely to be a greater move for countries to become more self sufficient for key industries and not rely on cheap imports and cross border supply chains.
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 15, 2020 9:05:04 GMT
I am about 70/30 its not man made but it does seem strange the virus spread from wuhan round the world but not to other major chinese cities. The one thing I will lay at China's door and that is they seemed a lot quicker to stop the internal spread then they were the external spread They were far to slow to stop international flights out of the country But bearing in mind it takes 1 person to start an outbreak and they wont show symptoms for a number of days it just either seems remarkably lucky that no other city has suffered or.....
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Post by Eggybread on Apr 16, 2020 11:28:27 GMT
UK farms fly in pickers from Eastern Europe. BBC The first of six specially chartered flights from Romania to London will land on Thursday afternoon carrying 150 people to assist British farmers pick fruit and vegetables. Despite a high profile "Pick for Britain" campaign appealing to students and laid-off hospitality workers to help with the harvest, not enough British workers have come forward. The six flights were privately chartered by large UK food producers and will land between now and June. Before boarding, the prospective workers will have their temperatures checked, fill out a health questionnaire and be given masks and hand sanitiser. On arrival in the UK, they will be taken by bus to farms in East Anglia to pick lettuce. Mark Bridgeman, the president of the Country Land and Business Association, said bringing in workers from overseas to help meet the shortfall was "the right thing to do if we want to keep the supermarkets stocked". Ahhh Brexit
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 16, 2020 11:34:06 GMT
UK farms fly in pickers from Eastern Europe. BBC The first of six specially chartered flights from Romania to London will land on Thursday afternoon carrying 150 people to assist British farmers pick fruit and vegetables. Despite a high profile "Pick for Britain" campaign appealing to students and laid-off hospitality workers to help with the harvest, not enough British workers have come forward. The six flights were privately chartered by large UK food producers and will land between now and June. Before boarding, the prospective workers will have their temperatures checked, fill out a health questionnaire and be given masks and hand sanitiser. On arrival in the UK, they will be taken by bus to farms in East Anglia to pick lettuce. Mark Bridgeman, the president of the Country Land and Business Association, said bringing in workers from overseas to help meet the shortfall was "the right thing to do if we want to keep the supermarkets stocked". Ahhh Brexit Brexit is just the beginning of our freedom....freedom to make decisions....the EU had 40 years to entangle the UK in its mission of economic and political control..it's going to take a few years to reassert control....personally I have no objections whatsoever from using overseas workers...the point is...we decide without any reference to the EU nor to freedom of movement.....just an agreement decided by us to the mutual benefit of all involved.
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 16, 2020 11:41:29 GMT
UK farms fly in pickers from Eastern Europe. BBC The first of six specially chartered flights from Romania to London will land on Thursday afternoon carrying 150 people to assist British farmers pick fruit and vegetables. Despite a high profile "Pick for Britain" campaign appealing to students and laid-off hospitality workers to help with the harvest, not enough British workers have come forward. The six flights were privately chartered by large UK food producers and will land between now and June. Before boarding, the prospective workers will have their temperatures checked, fill out a health questionnaire and be given masks and hand sanitiser. On arrival in the UK, they will be taken by bus to farms in East Anglia to pick lettuce. Mark Bridgeman, the president of the Country Land and Business Association, said bringing in workers from overseas to help meet the shortfall was "the right thing to do if we want to keep the supermarkets stocked". Ahhh Brexit Brexit is just the beginning of our freedom....freedom to make decisions....the EU had 40 years to entangle the UK in its mission for of economic and political control..it's going to take a few years to reassert control....personally I have no objections whatsoever from using overseas workers...the point is...we decide without any reference to the EU nor to freedom of movement.....just an agreement decided by us to the mutual benefit of all involved. Its a strange one alot of FBPE types seem to be getting excited about this as if it proves brexit is wrong as someone who really was not ever that bothered about immigration if anything it proves the brexit argument right, companies in need are able to recruit overseas workers without having to give them a permanent right to live here, this sort of work is done the world over by backpackers etc working their way around countries, know a couple of people who did it in Australia and going forward some sort of working holiday visa for youngsters would seem an obvious solution.
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Post by Eggybread on Apr 16, 2020 12:12:35 GMT
Brexit is just the beginning of our freedom....freedom to make decisions....the EU had 40 years to entangle the UK in its mission for of economic and political control..it's going to take a few years to reassert control....personally I have no objections whatsoever from using overseas workers...the point is...we decide without any reference to the EU nor to freedom of movement.....just an agreement decided by us to the mutual benefit of all involved. Its a strange one alot of FBPE types seem to be getting excited about this as if it proves brexit is wrong as someone who really was not ever that bothered about immigration if anything it proves the brexit argument right, companies in need are able to recruit overseas workers without having to give them a permanent right to live here, this sort of work is done the world over by backpackers etc working their way around countries, know a couple of people who did it in Australia and going forward some sort of working holiday visa for youngsters would seem an obvious solution. "getting excited about this as if it proves brexit is wrong" It proves that wages wont rise which was a big issue for brexiteers "not ever that bothered about immigration" For many brexiteeers it was. It seems to me that nothing is going to change at all,we will still need immigration and still need to follow EU rules or WTO rules regarding trade.With individual trade deals we will still need to follow agreed rules as we do now. So basically what was the vote for again?
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Post by yeokel on Apr 16, 2020 12:23:03 GMT
Its a strange one alot of FBPE types seem to be getting excited about this as if it proves brexit is wrong as someone who really was not ever that bothered about immigration if anything it proves the brexit argument right, companies in need are able to recruit overseas workers without having to give them a permanent right to live here, this sort of work is done the world over by backpackers etc working their way around countries, know a couple of people who did it in Australia and going forward some sort of working holiday visa for youngsters would seem an obvious solution. "getting excited about this as if it proves brexit is wrong" It proves that wages wont rise which was a big issue for brexiteers "not ever that bothered about immigration" For many brexiteeers it was. It seems to me that nothing is going to change at all,we will still need immigration and still need to follow EU rules or WTO rules regarding trade.With individual trade deals we will still need to follow agreed rules as we do now. So basically what was the vote for again? So if "It seems to me that nothing is going to change at all" why are you so against it? Life will go on as normal, (a new normal) won't it?
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 16, 2020 13:05:48 GMT
"getting excited about this as if it proves brexit is wrong" It proves that wages wont rise which was a big issue for brexiteers "not ever that bothered about immigration" For many brexiteeers it was. It seems to me that nothing is going to change at all,we will still need immigration and still need to follow EU rules or WTO rules regarding trade.With individual trade deals we will still need to follow agreed rules as we do now. So basically what was the vote for again? So if "It seems to me that nothing is going to change at all" why are you so against it? Life will go on as normal, (a new normal) won't it?
And we will have £350m extra a week for the NHS thanks to russian interference in the election and can use some of it to save those racist old people who stole their future by voting for brexit who they all suddenly care about again or something like that
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 16, 2020 13:16:49 GMT
Its a strange one alot of FBPE types seem to be getting excited about this as if it proves brexit is wrong as someone who really was not ever that bothered about immigration if anything it proves the brexit argument right, companies in need are able to recruit overseas workers without having to give them a permanent right to live here, this sort of work is done the world over by backpackers etc working their way around countries, know a couple of people who did it in Australia and going forward some sort of working holiday visa for youngsters would seem an obvious solution. "getting excited about this as if it proves brexit is wrong" It proves that wages wont rise which was a big issue for brexiteers "not ever that bothered about immigration" For many brexiteeers it was. It seems to me that nothing is going to change at all,we will still need immigration and still need to follow EU rules or WTO rules regarding trade.With individual trade deals we will still need to follow agreed rules as we do now. So basically what was the vote for again? The wages on offer are I have seen on twitter £11 an hour which is higher than minimum wage, just as Tesco and all are offering higher pay, the problem with getting uk people to do the work at this time is if they are not local where do they live. I can only speak for myself not every brexiteer only you FBPE types know what every brexiteer thinks I have never seen a single person suggest no immigration, those who were bothered wanted controlled immigration and or less immigration, personally if the immigrant has a skill we need, has a job to goto and a place to live I am quite happy for people to come, for the who will serve me my pret types give a 1 or 2 year holiday work visa for under 25s or 30s or whatever. We follow rules to sell to the USA too so its obviously not a big deal and we can also make EU suppliers follow our rules thats the way it works if you want to sell into any market....
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Post by Eggybread on Apr 16, 2020 14:01:55 GMT
"getting excited about this as if it proves brexit is wrong" It proves that wages wont rise which was a big issue for brexiteers "not ever that bothered about immigration" For many brexiteeers it was. It seems to me that nothing is going to change at all,we will still need immigration and still need to follow EU rules or WTO rules regarding trade.With individual trade deals we will still need to follow agreed rules as we do now. So basically what was the vote for again? So if "It seems to me that nothing is going to change at all" why are you so against it? Life will go on as normal, (a new normal) won't it?
Life will go on as normal, (a new normal) won't it? Maybe for you it will as time seems to stand still for some ,anyway I was never ever against Brexit as such its just that it was done for all the incorrect reasons and not enough thought went into it .It became a modern form of bear baiting the right v the left.It became a nationalist cause rather than a thought out plan to benefit all. Starmer got hammered for bringing up the exit strategy to the virus and yet on the same day the government announce that they are ploughing ahead with brexit talks next week.The public and business owners like myself are heading into the future totally blind its becoming a nightmare.
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Post by Eggybread on Apr 16, 2020 14:03:51 GMT
"getting excited about this as if it proves brexit is wrong" It proves that wages wont rise which was a big issue for brexiteers "not ever that bothered about immigration" For many brexiteeers it was. It seems to me that nothing is going to change at all,we will still need immigration and still need to follow EU rules or WTO rules regarding trade.With individual trade deals we will still need to follow agreed rules as we do now. So basically what was the vote for again? The wages on offer are I have seen on twitter £11 an hour which is higher than minimum wage, just as Tesco and all are offering higher pay, the problem with getting uk people to do the work at this time is if they are not local where do they live. I can only speak for myself not every brexiteer only you FBPE types know what every brexiteer thinks I have never seen a single person suggest no immigration, those who were bothered wanted controlled immigration and or less immigration, personally if the immigrant has a skill we need, has a job to goto and a place to live I am quite happy for people to come, for the who will serve me my pret types give a 1 or 2 year holiday work visa for under 25s or 30s or whatever. We follow rules to sell to the USA too so its obviously not a big deal and we can also make EU suppliers follow our rules thats the way it works if you want to sell into any market.... £11 an hour are they????And its bloody really hard work. www.indeed.co.uk/Fruit-Picking-jobs-in-England
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 16, 2020 15:05:04 GMT
The wages on offer are I have seen on twitter £11 an hour which is higher than minimum wage, just as Tesco and all are offering higher pay, the problem with getting uk people to do the work at this time is if they are not local where do they live. I can only speak for myself not every brexiteer only you FBPE types know what every brexiteer thinks I have never seen a single person suggest no immigration, those who were bothered wanted controlled immigration and or less immigration, personally if the immigrant has a skill we need, has a job to goto and a place to live I am quite happy for people to come, for the who will serve me my pret types give a 1 or 2 year holiday work visa for under 25s or 30s or whatever. We follow rules to sell to the USA too so its obviously not a big deal and we can also make EU suppliers follow our rules thats the way it works if you want to sell into any market.... £11 an hour are they????And its bloody really hard work. www.indeed.co.uk/Fruit-Picking-jobs-in-EnglandYep down sarf, I cant find the other tweeter who I saw say similar yesterday. Lots of jobs are hard work, some people enjoy being outside all day, I spent a couple of summers doing various shitty jobs for manpower certainly focused my attention on what I didnt want to do.
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Post by Eggybread on Apr 16, 2020 15:08:44 GMT
Yep down sarf, I cant find the other tweeter who I saw say similar yesterday. Lots of jobs are hard work, some people enjoy being outside all day, I spent a couple of summers doing various shitty jobs for manpower certainly focused my attention on what I didnt want to do. Who the bloody hell is Holbornlolz Ill stick to the job search websites thanks.Mate is bloody laughable that they cannot fill the jobs It WAS and always has been an argument for ending immigration going back to the 50s. Laughable.
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 16, 2020 15:48:48 GMT
Its a strange one alot of FBPE types seem to be getting excited about this as if it proves brexit is wrong as someone who really was not ever that bothered about immigration if anything it proves the brexit argument right, companies in need are able to recruit overseas workers without having to give them a permanent right to live here, this sort of work is done the world over by backpackers etc working their way around countries, know a couple of people who did it in Australia and going forward some sort of working holiday visa for youngsters would seem an obvious solution. "getting excited about this as if it proves brexit is wrong" It proves that wages wont rise which was a big issue for brexiteers "not ever that bothered about immigration" For many brexiteeers it was. It seems to me that nothing is going to change at all,we will still need immigration and still need to follow EU rules or WTO rules regarding trade.With individual trade deals we will still need to follow agreed rules as we do now. So basically what was the vote for again? To avoid ever closer union as is the direction of travel for EU members
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 16, 2020 16:56:01 GMT
I think the EU will struggle on for a few years until eventually the populations of the rich countries get fed up with baling out the poor countries. There are already significant minorities opposed to the cost of the EU, but they are a minority because their economies continue to thrive from EU membership.
All things come to an end. Britain had an empire, Germany had the third Reich, Russia had the Soviet union etc. The USA has been the world's dominant country, soon to be replaced by China. The EU will simply go down in history as a phase Europe went through, like the European Coal and Steel Community, and the EEC ("common market").
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Apr 16, 2020 17:47:57 GMT
Brexit is just the beginning of our freedom....freedom to make decisions....the EU had 40 years to entangle the UK in its mission for of economic and political control..it's going to take a few years to reassert control....personally I have no objections whatsoever from using overseas workers...the point is...we decide without any reference to the EU nor to freedom of movement.....just an agreement decided by us to the mutual benefit of all involved. Its a strange one alot of FBPE types seem to be getting excited about this as if it proves brexit is wrong as someone who really was not ever that bothered about immigration if anything it proves the brexit argument right, companies in need are able to recruit overseas workers without having to give them a permanent right to live here, this sort of work is done the world over by backpackers etc working their way around countries, know a couple of people who did it in Australia and going forward some sort of working holiday visa for youngsters would seem an obvious solution. How many 'points' do these Romanian fruit pickers qualify for?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 16, 2020 18:12:17 GMT
Its a strange one alot of FBPE types seem to be getting excited about this as if it proves brexit is wrong as someone who really was not ever that bothered about immigration if anything it proves the brexit argument right, companies in need are able to recruit overseas workers without having to give them a permanent right to live here, this sort of work is done the world over by backpackers etc working their way around countries, know a couple of people who did it in Australia and going forward some sort of working holiday visa for youngsters would seem an obvious solution. How many 'points' do these Romanian fruit pickers qualify for? Does it really matter at this stage? I don't think it matters to any Brexiteer that I know, and that's a few. It does seem to matter to those who simply have an axe to grind. Just like a normal country, and even just like the EU ( supposedly) we will make our own rules as and when necessary.
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 16, 2020 18:33:12 GMT
I think the EU will struggle on for a few years until eventually the populations of the rich countries get fed up with baling out the poor countries. There are already significant minorities opposed to the cost of the EU, but they are a minority because their economies continue to thrive from EU membership. All things come to an end. Britain had an empire, Germany had the third Reich, Russia had the Soviet union etc. The USA has been the world's dominant country, soon to be replaced by China. The EU will simply go down in history as a phase Europe went through, like the European Coal and Steel Community, and the EEC ("common market"). I think there is a crunch point coming up much sooner either the richer countries help out the poorer EU countries or they let them collapse which will mean some will leave.
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 16, 2020 18:38:32 GMT
Yep down sarf, I cant find the other tweeter who I saw say similar yesterday. Lots of jobs are hard work, some people enjoy being outside all day, I spent a couple of summers doing various shitty jobs for manpower certainly focused my attention on what I didnt want to do. Who the bloody hell is Holbornlolz Ill stick to the job search websites thanks.Mate is bloody laughable that they cannot fill the jobs It WAS and always has been an argument for ending immigration going back to the 50s. Laughable. The jobsearch website where the first job says upto £10.90 an hour you mean ? Fucking hell you are hard work, as to holbornlolz he's a cantankerous sarky old cunt who is quite funny and more importantly still alive which as you found out recently can't always be guarenteed on twitter
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Apr 16, 2020 18:51:40 GMT
How many 'points' do these Romanian fruit pickers qualify for? Does it really matter at this stage? I don't think it matters to any Brexiteer that I know, and that's a few. It does seem to matter to those who simply have an axe to grind. Just like a normal country, and even just like the EU ( supposedly) we will make our own rules as and when necessary. Just curious to understand what type of points they would have accrued really especially with it being an 'every year' job? I'm also taking the assumption it will be classed as key work and with the correct economic and employment issues our economically inactive total must be rocketing? So, yes it does matter really. When Covid is winding down I'm excited to get back to the Brexit battle.
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