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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 16, 2020 19:13:29 GMT
Does it really matter at this stage? I don't think it matters to any Brexiteer that I know, and that's a few. It does seem to matter to those who simply have an axe to grind. Just like a normal country, and even just like the EU ( supposedly) we will make our own rules as and when necessary. Just curious to understand what type of points they would have accrued really especially with it being an 'every year' job? I'm also taking the assumption it will be classed as key work and with the correct economic and employment issues our economically inactive total must be rocketing? So, yes it does matter really. When Covid is winding down I'm excited to get back to the Brexit battle. I really don't think it does matter at this time. Most of us are in lockdown. Having left the EU we are now beginning to find our feet. Rules , laws and systems can and will change. The practical priority is to somehow get the fruit and veg picked this year irrespective of Brexit. It is totally irrelevant at the moment if they are awarded 1 point or 1000 . We are in a time of change...journey to independence if you like....perhaps the opposite to ever closer union. There isn't a Brexit battle, we've left the EU.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 18, 2020 9:10:28 GMT
UK farms fly in pickers from Eastern Europe. BBC The first of six specially chartered flights from Romania to London will land on Thursday afternoon carrying 150 people to assist British farmers pick fruit and vegetables. Despite a high profile "Pick for Britain" campaign appealing to students and laid-off hospitality workers to help with the harvest, not enough British workers have come forward. The six flights were privately chartered by large UK food producers and will land between now and June. Before boarding, the prospective workers will have their temperatures checked, fill out a health questionnaire and be given masks and hand sanitiser. On arrival in the UK, they will be taken by bus to farms in East Anglia to pick lettuce. Mark Bridgeman, the president of the Country Land and Business Association, said bringing in workers from overseas to help meet the shortfall was "the right thing to do if we want to keep the supermarkets stocked". Ahhh Brexit You just have to laugh don't you Brexit was all about controlling immigration, although the revisionists have made a concerted effort to pretend otherwise for some time!, and was especially popular where exactly? In those places where crop pickers were needed...! So all those who were voting to see the back of foreign workers (but they're not racists or xenophobes remember, they just want British jobs for British workers!) look like they'll be sadly disappointed! Is there anyone who doesn't think this will continue long after the coronavirus has died down? So what will have changed? Nothing! You couldn't make it up!
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 18, 2020 9:46:21 GMT
UK farms fly in pickers from Eastern Europe. BBC The first of six specially chartered flights from Romania to London will land on Thursday afternoon carrying 150 people to assist British farmers pick fruit and vegetables. Despite a high profile "Pick for Britain" campaign appealing to students and laid-off hospitality workers to help with the harvest, not enough British workers have come forward. The six flights were privately chartered by large UK food producers and will land between now and June. Before boarding, the prospective workers will have their temperatures checked, fill out a health questionnaire and be given masks and hand sanitiser. On arrival in the UK, they will be taken by bus to farms in East Anglia to pick lettuce. Mark Bridgeman, the president of the Country Land and Business Association, said bringing in workers from overseas to help meet the shortfall was "the right thing to do if we want to keep the supermarkets stocked". Ahhh Brexit You just have to laugh don't you Brexit was all about controlling immigration, although the revisionists have made a concerted effort to pretend otherwise for some time!, and was especially popular where exactly? In those places where crop pickers were needed...! So all those who were voting to see the back of foreign workers (but they're not racists or xenophobes remember, they just want British jobs for British workers!) look like they'll be sadly disappointed! Is there anyone who doesn't think this will continue long after the coronavirus has died down? So what will have changed? Nothing! You couldn't make it up! I think you are the one making it up. Brexit was never "all about controlling immigration". It was many things to many (the majority?) people. It was only about British jobs for British workers for a bigoted minority, but pro EU remainers just love to villainise those who don't agree with them. Britain is a country of immigrants. We all have immigrant forefathers if you go back far enough. We went through religious intolerance periods, particularly the Tudor age, but we have a proud tradition of welcoming immigrants to this country. I was only watching a programme yesterday about the large amount of Belgian immigrants that came to this country before WWII and were temporarily boarded in Windermere. Immigrants contribute massively to our country's economy and public services. I voted to leave the EU primarily for constitutional reasons. I want and believe it is right that the people have the power to remove those in government. I also saw little point in being part of a free trade group with a massive trade deficit, when most of our trade is with the rest of the world, and to add insult to injury by paying massively for the privilege to support inefficient French agriculture and corrupt East European countries, who only joined to receive regional aid. I believe even a British government, bad as they are, can do better with tax payers money. Yes, I am against uncontrolled immigration, but generally welcome anyone who is prepared to contribute to out society whether it is nursing, washing my car, or picking fruit, and indeed building hugely successful large businesses.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 19, 2020 9:27:47 GMT
You just have to laugh don't you Brexit was all about controlling immigration, although the revisionists have made a concerted effort to pretend otherwise for some time!, and was especially popular where exactly? In those places where crop pickers were needed...! So all those who were voting to see the back of foreign workers (but they're not racists or xenophobes remember, they just want British jobs for British workers!) look like they'll be sadly disappointed! Is there anyone who doesn't think this will continue long after the coronavirus has died down? So what will have changed? Nothing! You couldn't make it up! I think you are the one making it up. Brexit was never "all about controlling immigration". It was many things to many (the majority?) people. It was only about British jobs for British workers for a bigoted minority, but pro EU remainers just love to villainise those who don't agree with them. Britain is a country of immigrants. We all have immigrant forefathers if you go back far enough. We went through religious intolerance periods, particularly the Tudor age, but we have a proud tradition of welcoming immigrants to this country. I was only watching a programme yesterday about the large amount of Belgian immigrants that came to this country before WWII and were temporarily boarded in Windermere. Immigrants contribute massively to our country's economy and public services. I voted to leave the EU primarily for constitutional reasons. I want and believe it is right that the people have the power to remove those in government. I also saw little point in being part of a free trade group with a massive trade deficit, when most of our trade is with the rest of the world, and to add insult to injury by paying massively for the privilege to support inefficient French agriculture and corrupt East European countries, who only joined to receive regional aid. I believe even a British government, bad as they are, can do better with tax payers money. Yes, I am against uncontrolled immigration, but generally welcome anyone who is prepared to contribute to out society whether it is nursing, washing my car, or picking fruit, and indeed building hugely successful large businesses. Ah, facts based on research, such irritating little things (it's from Oxford Uni if you fancy trying to discredit it in any way)... csi.nuff.ox.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Stated-Reasons-Fig-1.pngQuite alarming just how many people liked your post, but that also backs up my contention that lots of revisionists are desperately trying to create a new narrative...
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 20, 2020 9:21:32 GMT
Interesting...
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 20, 2020 10:44:13 GMT
I think you are the one making it up. Brexit was never "all about controlling immigration". It was many things to many (the majority?) people. It was only about British jobs for British workers for a bigoted minority, but pro EU remainers just love to villainise those who don't agree with them. Britain is a country of immigrants. We all have immigrant forefathers if you go back far enough. We went through religious intolerance periods, particularly the Tudor age, but we have a proud tradition of welcoming immigrants to this country. I was only watching a programme yesterday about the large amount of Belgian immigrants that came to this country before WWII and were temporarily boarded in Windermere. Immigrants contribute massively to our country's economy and public services. I voted to leave the EU primarily for constitutional reasons. I want and believe it is right that the people have the power to remove those in government. I also saw little point in being part of a free trade group with a massive trade deficit, when most of our trade is with the rest of the world, and to add insult to injury by paying massively for the privilege to support inefficient French agriculture and corrupt East European countries, who only joined to receive regional aid. I believe even a British government, bad as they are, can do better with tax payers money. Yes, I am against uncontrolled immigration, but generally welcome anyone who is prepared to contribute to out society whether it is nursing, washing my car, or picking fruit, and indeed building hugely successful large businesses. Ah, facts based on research, such irritating little things (it's from Oxford Uni if you fancy trying to discredit it in any way)... csi.nuff.ox.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Stated-Reasons-Fig-1.pngQuite alarming just how many people liked your post, but that also backs up my contention that lots of revisionists are desperately trying to create a new narrative... I can't speak for others, only my own views, which have been revised on membership of the EU since 40 years ago when I was very much in favour of being in, but consistent in favour of leaving in the last 2 decades during which I chaired a European committee for 3 years. Secondly your quoted research actually shows that it was not "all about controlling immigration", although I concede it was a major factor in a lot of people's opinion. Finally I would point out that opinion polls are notoriously innaccurate, e.g. the referendum and last GE results. The BBC once did a lot of research into opinion polls and they found that the very act of conducting a poll "changes" people's "opinion". What they found was a lot of people actually misunderstand the question, or give the answer they think the questioner wants, simply say what they think everyone else is saying, or say what they think will satisfy the questioner and avoid a follow up question. Hence polls do not necessarily report accurately people's true opinions. An example that was quoted when asked "Which do you think there is too much of on TV: sex, violence, or sport?" The most common answer was violence. (Possibly because the persons questioned did want to appear a prude or unsporting to the questioner?) Then when asked "Which programmes have too much violence?" people often struggled to give an answer. The most common answer was "The news". I am not trying to discredit your reference as it actually proves my point that your statement that the referendum was "all about controlling immigration" is incorrect. It may well have been the most common reason though, but I suspect because a lot of interviewees did not want to think hard about the question, and really meant "uncontrolled immigration", which as it happens I too am opposed to.
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 20, 2020 12:22:06 GMT
Interesting, and frightening!
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Post by Timmypotter on Apr 20, 2020 13:34:52 GMT
I kind of feel sorry for him here. The EU isn't, and never will be, what he thinks it is or should be. I'm sure the guy has good intentions but he inhabits a fantasy world. Then again, we all know what the path to hell is paved with.
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 20, 2020 13:47:51 GMT
I kind of feel sorry for him here. The EU isn't, and never will be, what he thinks it is or should be. I'm sure the guy has good intentions but he inhabits a fantasy world. Then again, we all know what the path to hell is paved with. what's funny with that video, although you can't see it, is that he was directing his comments at the European Commission chief Ursula Von der Leyen. The problem was that she'd already left the building before he got the chance to speak. Let's be clear though, Verhofstadt see's the current crisis as an opportunity for further EU integration and he is pissed that EU countries have adopted independent national approaches to the crisis. Of course, he knows best. (Is he related to bayernoatcake?)
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 24, 2020 13:06:04 GMT
Oh dear karma is a bitch Michael
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 24, 2020 13:34:03 GMT
Sounds like there are no adults in the room on these discussions so far then.
Our side should at least treat us like adults and tell us the likelihood of No Deal and be HONEST about the consequences.
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 24, 2020 16:52:28 GMT
Sounds like there are no adults in the room on these discussions so far then. Our side should at least treat us like adults and tell us the likelihood of No Deal and be HONEST about the consequences. Yes how completely unreasonable of our side to ask to be treated exactly the same as every other country the EU has done a trade deal with, I did also read a legal argument that as the EU were not keeping to the best endeavours part of the previous agreement we could and should walk away from that. As to the consequences of a no deal I think they become more inconsequential by the day, I think the civil disturbances section and medicines and most other things can be put into the fiction section now, the most important thing is to get out of any liabilities before the EU banks start to collapse.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 24, 2020 17:04:22 GMT
Sounds like there are no adults in the room on these discussions so far then. Our side should at least treat us like adults and tell us the likelihood of No Deal and be HONEST about the consequences. Yes how completely unreasonable of our side to ask to be treated exactly the same as every other country the EU has done a trade deal with, I did also read a legal argument that as the EU were not keeping to the best endeavours part of the previous agreement we could and should walk away from that. As to the consequences of a no deal I think they become more inconsequential by the day, I think the civil disturbances section and medicines and most other things can be put into the fiction section now, the most important thing is to get out of any liabilities before the EU banks start to collapse. If you read through a lot of the bluster I don't really think either side is engaging in a positive manner. Ireland and Johnson's lies about it will blow up massively later in the year if you pardon the tasteless pun. There will be economic pain in the event of a no deal, even this Government which is often a stranger to truth and reality accept that and added on to what will be a crippled economy by then, people will suffer...….and it wont be the likes of shameless ideologues like Mark Fois Gras and his mates who pay the price. Some honesty wouldn't go amiss.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 24, 2020 17:21:49 GMT
Do you still want us to leave, Momo? Put your hatred of the current mob to one side, lets skip forward to the next election, Labour have got their act together & the Tories have been a shambles so it leads to a Labour landside. On their first day in power as our new government do you want us to be in or out of the EU?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 24, 2020 19:14:16 GMT
Do you still want us to leave, Momo? Put your hatred of the current mob to one side, lets skip forward to the next election, Labour have got their act together & the Tories have been a shambles so it leads to a Labour landside. On their first day in power as our new government do you want us to be in or out of the EU? Out without a doubt TDC. I think we should be more adult about it though and really strive to get good effective working arrangements going, which will take some give as well as take, no shame in that. I think it's clear though that if 'no deal' is not the absolute aim it is a more than acceptable outcome for a lot of this mob and if that's so, then for the first time in it's existence this Government has to be honest with people, the short term consequences will be truly dire. As for the arch remainer, Starmer I genuinely believe he cost Labour a hung Parliament with his influence on Brexit so I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. He's as bad as the ERG in many ways, an ideologue on Europe and it will most probably be their undoing again in four or five years.
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Post by swampmongrel on Apr 24, 2020 20:53:32 GMT
I kind of feel sorry for him here. The EU isn't, and never will be, what he thinks it is or should be. I'm sure the guy has good intentions but he inhabits a fantasy world. Then again, we all know what the path to hell is paved with. Yes. I think this is perceptive. In principle, there’s nothing wrong with European federalism. It’s a perfectly reasonable political position and it could work well if you sort out some of the problems with democratic legitimacy. The problem is a section of Europe’s politicians (including Verhofstad) want an EU that electorates (not just the British) aren’t willing to give them
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 24, 2020 22:06:26 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 25, 2020 5:57:06 GMT
I agree. The main causes of contention are well known - the so called level playing field, court jurisdiction and fishing. The solution, as the UK has described, is a Canada style deal or an Australian one. It seems to me the EU still expects the UK government to fold under pressure not realising that this time they are not dealing with a weak minority government. Rather, the positions are reversed. I suspect it’s more likely this time it will be the EU asking for a delay. I don’t think the UK should agree if that happens.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 7:25:31 GMT
Do you still want us to leave, Momo? Put your hatred of the current mob to one side, lets skip forward to the next election, Labour have got their act together & the Tories have been a shambles so it leads to a Labour landside. On their first day in power as our new government do you want us to be in or out of the EU? Out without a doubt TDC. I think we should be more adult about it though and really strive to get good effective working arrangements going, which will take some give as well as take, no shame in that. I think it's clear though that if 'no deal' is not the absolute aim it is a more than acceptable outcome for a lot of this mob and if that's so, then for the first time in it's existence this Government has to be honest with people, the short term consequences will be truly dire. As for the arch remainer, Starmer I genuinely believe he cost Labour a hung Parliament with his influence on Brexit so I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. He's as bad as the ERG in many ways, an ideologue on Europe and it will most probably be their undoing again in four or five years. Starmer is an extremely forensic man, that has become apparent to everyone after his perfectly decent opening at PMQ’s. And he’s such a grown up. How can you not trust such a grown up, forensic man?
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 25, 2020 8:06:31 GMT
I’ll tell you what now for Brexit. It’s as £@#&ed up as it’s always been. It’s an iconoclastic dream, like a child throwing its toys out the pram👁
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 25, 2020 9:46:14 GMT
I agree. The UK has had a massive trade deficit with the rest of the EU, consequently they should give us the best trade deal they have given to any none member to reestablish their exports to the UK after the virus recession and accept they are going to lose out on fishing. The only EU country the UK has a significant positive trade balance with is Ireland. Most of Ireland's exports to the EU pass through the UK, and Ireland is not going to receive future massive handouts from the EU in CAP and regional aid, because there will be no future funding from the UK and the other rich EU members are not going to give Ireland funding in future. So, much as it goes against the grain with the Irish, they need to concur with a "good" deal with the UK. I said in a recent post that throughout history the British have been lucky. Once again we have been lucky by getting out of the EU just before the virus recession. As an independant country we will be free to rebuild our economy trading with the rest of the rapidly growing world post recession, while the EU will be bogged down with legislation, red tape, and internal squabbling.
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 25, 2020 12:47:15 GMT
I’ll tell you what now for Brexit. It’s as £@#&ed up as it’s always been. It’s an iconoclastic dream, like a child throwing its toys out the pram👁 Bless some people have still not got over it
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 25, 2020 13:29:28 GMT
I’ll tell you what now for Brexit. It’s as £@#&ed up as it’s always been. It’s an iconoclastic dream, like a child throwing its toys out the pram👁 Bless some people have still not got over it It’s academic now. Whatever brave new world you thought you’d get, another one awaits, but you keep up with your delusion before it comes round to bite you on the @$$. If you cannot see Boris & their Gvt for what they are by now, you never knew anything...
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 25, 2020 14:59:58 GMT
Bless some people have still not got over it It’s academic now. Whatever brave new world you thought you’d get, another one awaits, but you keep up with your delusion before it comes round to bite you on the @$$. If you cannot see Boris & their Gvt for what they are by now, you never knew anything... Is Bitter your favourite drink ? I voted to leave we have, upto the EU how they want any future relationship too be but you know what I think this crisis will be a wake up call, too many countries have allowed industries to be outsourced purely to save a few pence, I think the days of overreliance on cross border supply chains will start to be reveresed.
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 25, 2020 15:57:37 GMT
It’s academic now. Whatever brave new world you thought you’d get, another one awaits, but you keep up with your delusion before it comes round to bite you on the @$$. If you cannot see Boris & their Gvt for what they are by now, you never knew anything... Is Bitter your favourite drink ? I voted to leave we have, upto the EU how they want any future relationship too be but you know what I think this crisis will be a wake up call, too many countries have allowed industries to be outsourced purely to save a few pence, I think the days of overreliance on cross border supply chains will start to be reveresed. You maybe right, but I see that the Gvt chose foreign to build ventilators rather than Dyson in Wilts...
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 27, 2020 18:09:56 GMT
Just got to get the stickers printed and the professional camera crew to the airport then it's.... camera..... lights...... virtue signal!!
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 27, 2020 18:12:29 GMT
Just got to get the stickers printed and the professional camera crew to the airport then it's.... camera..... lights...... virtue signal!! Suns over the yardarm I see...
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 27, 2020 22:52:24 GMT
Just got to get the stickers printed and the professional camera crew to the airport then it's.... camera..... lights...... virtue signal!! Suns over the yardarm I see... Oh mate It's the 27th of April and the EU are flying in face masks to Italy. And they've made a video of it. With EU boxes with EU stickers on them. If Hancock had told a camera crew to go to a military airbase and film face masks being 'unloaded' on the 27th April you would have been calling for his head. Or sadder still using f*%4i#g non letters to spell out cunt or bastard or some such.
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 28, 2020 7:49:14 GMT
Suns over the yardarm I see... Oh mate It's the 27th of April and the EU are flying in face masks to Italy. And they've made a video of it. With EU boxes with EU stickers on them. If Hancock had told a camera crew to go to a military airbase and film face masks being 'unloaded' on the 27th April you would have been calling for his head. Or sadder still using f*%4i#g non letters to spell out cunt or bastard or some such.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 28, 2020 8:45:12 GMT
Suns over the yardarm I see... Oh mate It's the 27th of April and the EU are flying in face masks to Italy. And they've made a video of it. With EU boxes with EU stickers on them. If Hancock had told a camera crew to go to a military airbase and film face masks being 'unloaded' on the 27th April you would have been calling for his head. Or sadder still using f*%4i#g non letters to spell out cunt or bastard or some such. No g@vvn$ yet then
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