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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 28, 2019 8:13:51 GMT
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Post by 4372 on Nov 28, 2019 10:53:51 GMT
Just a cheap and nasty slur. Good job you don't believe in attacking the man. Why not choose to point out the newspaper owners who denounce the EU but continue to pocket the money? Or people such as Garage who sit in a Parliament, trash it,and pocket a bucket load of cash. Actually,that's not fair. He rarely sits there.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 28, 2019 14:33:20 GMT
Just a cheap and nasty slur. Good job you don't believe in attacking the man. Why not choose to point out the newspaper owners who denounce the EU but continue to pocket the money? Or people such as Garage who sit in a Parliament, trash it,and pocket a bucket load of cash. Actually,that's not fair. He rarely sits there. Behave. He's a cunt.
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Post by Northy on Nov 29, 2019 7:08:44 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 29, 2019 7:40:18 GMT
This, I think, is worth highlighting from that article... This, btw, gives the Tories an opportunity to push Brexit back up to the top of the agenda on ground that is particularly difficult for Labour; a vote for Labour is a vote for Starbucks and tax avoidance.
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Post by Northy on Nov 29, 2019 7:54:05 GMT
This, I think, is worth highlighting from that article... This, btw, gives the Tories an opportunity to push Brexit back up to the top of the agenda on ground that is particularly difficult for Labour; a vote for Labour is a vote for Starbucks and tax avoidance. And isn't what Ireland are doing against EU rules as well, I'm sure the EU are letting them get away with it whilst Brexit is ongoing just to keep them on the right side.
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Post by serpico on Nov 29, 2019 8:26:17 GMT
But, but I thought Jacob Rees mogg and co wanted out to avoid their tax arrangements being scrutinized and made public by the benevolent eu ?
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Post by Northy on Nov 29, 2019 8:42:59 GMT
But, but I thought Jacob Rees mogg and co wanted out to avoid their tax arrangements being scrutinized and made public by the benevolent eu ? Has he actually stated that, or made up remain noise? That never entered my mind when I chose which way I voted for, there are far bigger issues than JRM. The link is about companies and places like Ireland
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Post by serpico on Nov 29, 2019 8:51:59 GMT
But, but I thought Jacob Rees mogg and co wanted out to avoid their tax arrangements being scrutinized and made public by the benevolent eu ? Has he actually stated that, or made up remain noise? That never entered my mind when I chose which way I voted for, there are far bigger issues than JRM. The link is about companies and places like Ireland Remainers claimed one of the big reasons people like JRM wanted us to leave the eu was because the EU was about to pass a law exposing tax avoidance.
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Post by Northy on Nov 29, 2019 8:57:33 GMT
Couple of things in there, he says the industrial decline started in the 80's under Thatcher, but Shelton steelworks started to close in the 70's under Labour, and he constantly says EU funded, as well know it's our money in the first place.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 29, 2019 9:12:29 GMT
Stupid, thicko, racist, far-right Brexit voters, you're just believing the lies printed in the right-wing shit rag The Guard... Oh. Yeah I think I'll just completely ignore this & move on.
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 29, 2019 9:22:56 GMT
Couple of things in there, he says the industrial decline started in the 80's under Thatcher, but Shelton steelworks started to close in the 70's under Labour, and he constantly says EU funded, as well know it's our money in the first place. Are you blaming Labour for the closure of Shelton steelworks if you are you haven't got a clue what you are talking about. Labour did the complete opposite and tried to save the jobs.
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Post by Northy on Nov 29, 2019 9:38:35 GMT
Couple of things in there, he says the industrial decline started in the 80's under Thatcher, but Shelton steelworks started to close in the 70's under Labour, and he constantly says EU funded, as well know it's our money in the first place. Are you blaming Labour for the closure of Shelton steelworks if you are you haven't got a clue what you are talking about. Labour did the complete opposite and tried to save the jobs. No I'm not blaming anybody, just correcting the details with facts. Shelton did first start to close in the 70's so I do know what I'm talking about, thanks, renationalising it was the start of it's death knoll.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 29, 2019 10:11:02 GMT
Are you blaming Labour for the closure of Shelton steelworks if you are you haven't got a clue what you are talking about. Labour did the complete opposite and tried to save the jobs. No I'm not blaming anybody, just correcting the details with facts. Shelton did first start to close in the 70's so I do know what I'm talking about, thanks, renationalising it was the start of it's death knoll. The dates make for interesting reading. 1978 the last blast furnace was closed. All operations ceased in 2000. Who was in power in 1978 and 2000? Were they to blame? Of course not. The issue is more fundamental and quite simple - too much supply for too little demand compounded by lower cost competition from outside the UK.
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 29, 2019 11:29:04 GMT
Are you blaming Labour for the closure of Shelton steelworks if you are you haven't got a clue what you are talking about. Labour did the complete opposite and tried to save the jobs. No I'm not blaming anybody, just correcting the details with facts. Shelton did first start to close in the 70's so I do know what I'm talking about, thanks, renationalising it was the start of it's death knoll. Facts don't suit the narrative, the same as all pit closures happened under thatcher
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 29, 2019 12:23:51 GMT
Are you blaming Labour for the closure of Shelton steelworks if you are you haven't got a clue what you are talking about. Labour did the complete opposite and tried to save the jobs. No I'm not blaming anybody, just correcting the details with facts. Shelton did first start to close in the 70's so I do know what I'm talking about, thanks, renationalising it was the start of it's death knoll. "renationalising it was the start of it's death knoll" Completely and utterly wrong they were nationalised by Labour because the steel industry was losing money. Labour nationlised the industry to try and protect the jobs in depressed regions (Stoke). Thatcher then re privatised the industry and put thousands on the dole..
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Post by Northy on Nov 29, 2019 13:42:00 GMT
No I'm not blaming anybody, just correcting the details with facts. Shelton did first start to close in the 70's so I do know what I'm talking about, thanks, renationalising it was the start of it's death knoll. "renationalising it was the start of it's death knoll" Completely and utterly wrong they were nationalised by Labour because the steel industry was losing money. Labour nationlised the industry to try and protect the jobs in depressed regions (Stoke). Thatcher then re privatised the industry and put thousands on the dole.. If you look into facts, it was privatised in the 60's and it had large investments, then in the 70s it was renationalised and Stoke was targeted to be closed as it was inland, they wanted the steelworks by the sea to have the production, Shelton bar closed in 78 under a Labour government they earmarked it's closure, the rolling mill went on for another 20 years (under tories) before finally closing under Blair's government
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 29, 2019 13:51:28 GMT
"renationalising it was the start of it's death knoll" Completely and utterly wrong they were nationalised by Labour because the steel industry was losing money. Labour nationlised the industry to try and protect the jobs in depressed regions (Stoke). Thatcher then re privatised the industry and put thousands on the dole.. If you look into facts, it was privatised in the 60's and it had large investments, then in the 70s it was renationalised and Stoke was targeted to be closed as it was inland, they wanted the steelworks by the sea to have the production, Shelton bar closed in 78 under a Labour government they earmarked it's closure, the rolling mill went on for another 20 years (under tories) before finally closing under Blair's government It was nationalised in the 60s mate to save its skin but the Labour government just couldn't afford to keep it open any longer after subsidising it for years.The rest is true though
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 1, 2019 12:13:26 GMT
Our new leadership team kicks in today. Very powerful dictators of policy. Has anyone heard of any of them? If so have they been scrutinised? facts4eu.org/news/2019_dec_one_ringFrom wikipedia Salaries A Commissioner's basic monthly salary is fixed at 112.5% of the top civil service grade. This works out at €22,367.04 per month.[11][12] The President is paid at 138% ( €27,436.90 per month), Vice-Presidents at 125% (€24,852.26 per month)[11] and the High Representative at 130% (€25,846.35 per month).[11] There are further allowances on top of these figures, including household allowance, child allowance, and a substantial expatriation allowance (where applicable).[11] £264,347.16 per year plus tax breaks, pension, expenses and advantageous travel and accommodation allowances
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Post by serpico on Dec 3, 2019 19:04:08 GMT
How tolerant
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Post by foster on Dec 4, 2019 13:43:31 GMT
Our new leadership team kicks in today. Very powerful dictators of policy. Has anyone heard of any of them? If so have they been scrutinised? facts4eu.org/news/2019_dec_one_ringFrom wikipedia Salaries A Commissioner's basic monthly salary is fixed at 112.5% of the top civil service grade. This works out at €22,367.04 per month.[11][12] The President is paid at 138% ( €27,436.90 per month), Vice-Presidents at 125% (€24,852.26 per month)[11] and the High Representative at 130% (€25,846.35 per month).[11] There are further allowances on top of these figures, including household allowance, child allowance, and a substantial expatriation allowance (where applicable).[11] £264,347.16 per year plus tax breaks, pension, expenses and advantageous travel and accommodation allowances Many Prem footballers get that in a month and some in a week. Most partners of large British firms earn much more than that. There are plenty of discrepancies closer to home that are worse than those you state. If you're that concerned about high wages then focus on the real issues, not just those that form part of your agenda.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 4, 2019 13:50:24 GMT
Our new leadership team kicks in today. Very powerful dictators of policy. Has anyone heard of any of them? If so have they been scrutinised? facts4eu.org/news/2019_dec_one_ringFrom wikipedia Salaries A Commissioner's basic monthly salary is fixed at 112.5% of the top civil service grade. This works out at €22,367.04 per month.[11][12] The President is paid at 138% ( €27,436.90 per month), Vice-Presidents at 125% (€24,852.26 per month)[11] and the High Representative at 130% (€25,846.35 per month).[11] There are further allowances on top of these figures, including household allowance, child allowance, and a substantial expatriation allowance (where applicable).[11] £264,347.16 per year plus tax breaks, pension, expenses and advantageous travel and accommodation allowances Many Prem footballers get that in a month and some in a week. Most partners of large British firms earn much more than that. There are plenty of discrepancies closer to home that are worse than those you state. If you're that concerned about high wages then focus on the real issues, not just those that form part of your agenda. They are very high wages aren't they for such an anti democratic institution.....last time I looked the thread is about Brexit....I think that has been a political agenda for at least the last 2 days
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Post by foster on Dec 4, 2019 13:53:20 GMT
Many Prem footballers get that in a month and some in a week. Most partners of large British firms earn much more than that. There are plenty of discrepancies closer to home that are worse than those you state. If you're that concerned about high wages then focus on the real issues, not just those that form part of your agenda. They are very high wages aren't they for such an anti democratic institution. In the general context of average salaries I agree, but when you look at most people in top positions across all industries, services, etc, they all tend to earn much higher wages than most people. What these people earn is hardly surprising when you compare then to many others who work far less.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 4, 2019 14:08:18 GMT
I agree with everything he says about Labour & the Tories. Can't agree with his thoughts on the Brexit Party though, they've been as shit as I always expected them to be. Northern, working class, leave voters still have no-one to vote for. (Which usually means we just end up sticking a 'X' in the box next to Labour to try & stop the Tories getting in like we always have done.)
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 4, 2019 14:08:53 GMT
They are very high wages aren't they for such an anti democratic institution. In the general context of average salaries I agree, but when you look at most people in top positions across all industries, services, etc, they all tend to earn much higher wages than most people. What these people earn is hardly surprising when you compare then to many others who work far less. It's s gravy train.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 4, 2019 14:13:58 GMT
I agree with everything he says about Labour & the Tories. Can't agree with his thoughts on the Brexit Party though, they've been as shit as I always expected them to be. Northern, working class, leave voters still have no-one to vote for. (Which usually means we just end up sticking a 'X' in the box next to Labour to try & stop the Tories getting in like we always have done.) DC as I understand it the BREXIT party are putting up candidates in those seats where there is not an incumbent Tory MP...so they will have something to vote for won't they...... unless I've missed something, I have been otherwise occupied recently
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Post by Kilo on Dec 4, 2019 14:25:33 GMT
They are very high wages aren't they for such an anti democratic institution. In the general context of average salaries I agree, but when you look at most people in top positions across all industries, services, etc, they all tend to earn much higher wages than most people. What these people earn is hardly surprising when you compare then to many others who work far less. What rubbish! The average CEO salary is around £97K The EU commissioners are taking around £8M out of the pot before taking into account all the freebies and expenses they take. Comparing them to Premiership footballers is ludicrous.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 14:25:45 GMT
I agree with everything he says about Labour & the Tories. Can't agree with his thoughts on the Brexit Party though, they've been as shit as I always expected them to be. Northern, working class, leave voters still have no-one to vote for. (Which usually means we just end up sticking a 'X' in the box next to Labour to try & stop the Tories getting in like we always have done.) Not sure I agree. The Brexit Party manifesto is very appealing and, as it’s a cross spectrum party consisting of both right and left, I’d argue it’s a good way to counter the cancerous hyper-woke identitarianism that has possessed Corbyn’s lot.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 4, 2019 14:34:30 GMT
DC as I understand it the BREXIT party are putting up candidates in those seats where there is not an incumbent Tory MP...so they will have something to vote for won't they...... unless I've missed something, I have been otherwise occupied recently I just don't buy into them, BigJohn. I said from day one they're just Tories in a different shade of blue, them not standing in Tory seats does nothing but confirm this. They wont win (m)any seats but if enough of the plebs vote for these cuddly, working class Tories then it will take votes off Labour & help the real Tories get a majority... A majority which will lead to Boris' awful so-called Brexit. We anit leaving, they aren't going to let us leave, might aswell just vote Labour & get these Tory pricks out.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 4, 2019 14:41:28 GMT
DC as I understand it the BREXIT party are putting up candidates in those seats where there is not an incumbent Tory MP...so they will have something to vote for won't they...... unless I've missed something, I have been otherwise occupied recently I just don't buy into them, BigJohn. I said from day one they're just Tories in a different shade of blue, them not standing in Tory seats does nothing but confirm this. They wont win (m)any seats but if enough of the plebs vote for these cuddly, working class Tories then it will take votes off Labour & help the real Tories get a majority... A majority which will lead to Boris' awful so-called Brexit. We anit leaving, they aren't going to let us leave, might aswell just vote Labour & get these Tory pricks out. I know what you mean but I don't really know what Farage could have done....if he had stood in all the seats he would have been accused of splitting the Tory( so called Leave vote that he was persuaded to accept)... the problem is that democracy/ Brexit has become Party political despite the fact that people like Fox and Galloway ate happy to line up with Farage... ....in my opinion equally to blame, if we are pointing fingers, are the Labour party for not backing Brexit and for not being clear. An agenda mainly driven by fear. What should the Brexit party have done? It isn't over yet and doesn't finish with the election whoever gets in.
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