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Post by foster on Dec 4, 2019 14:48:06 GMT
In the general context of average salaries I agree, but when you look at most people in top positions across all industries, services, etc, they all tend to earn much higher wages than most people. What these people earn is hardly surprising when you compare then to many others who work far less. What rubbish! The average CEO salary is around £97K The EU commissioners are taking around £8M out of the pot before taking into account all the freebies and expenses they take. Comparing them to Premiership footballers is ludicrous.
I said partners... and I can assure you that plenty of CEOs earn much more than 97k. Edit: Why is it ludicrous to make a comparison to other high earning jobs? Are footballers now exempt from any criticism of their salaries in your opinion? Are we only allowed to compare low salaries to the EU top earner but not higher ones?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 4, 2019 14:58:41 GMT
I know what you mean but I don't really know what Farage could have done....if he had stood in all the seats he would have been accused of splitting the Tory( so called Leave vote that he was persuaded to accept)... the problem is that democracy/ Brexit has become Party political despite the fact 6 people like Fox and Galloway ate happy to line up with Farage... .in my opinion equally to blame, if we are pointing fingers, are the Labour party for not backing Brexit and for not being clear. An agenda mainly driven by fear. What should the Brexit party have done? It isn't over yet and doesn't finish with the election whoever gets in. I've blamed Labour plenty of times on here, I said from the off that they should have been throwing their full weight behind delivering a proper, working class Brexit which the majority of Labour constituencies voted for. They would have pissed the last election had they done so & this mess would all be behind us. I don't like what Labour have become, they're a party for middle class kids who live off the bank of mummy & daddy and love to preach about knowing what's best for the poor, and I wont even get started on their identity politics bullshit... But I just want these cowardly Tories out, and there's only Labour that can do that. (Which is thanks to the Brexit Party being equally as cowardly. There wouldn't have been any splitting of the leave vote 'cos the Tories don't want to leave!) We're just going end up with either a hung parliament & fuck all getting done (Again!) or a Tory majority & Boris' shit deal. Either way we anit getting Brexit.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 4, 2019 15:00:56 GMT
I know what you mean but I don't really know what Farage could have done....if he had stood in all the seats he would have been accused of splitting the Tory( so called Leave vote that he was persuaded to accept)... the problem is that democracy/ Brexit has become Party political despite the fact 6 people like Fox and Galloway ate happy to line up with Farage... .in my opinion equally to blame, if we are pointing fingers, are the Labour party for not backing Brexit and for not being clear. An agenda mainly driven by fear. What should the Brexit party have done? It isn't over yet and doesn't finish with the election whoever gets in. I've blamed Labour plenty of times on here, I said from the off that they should have been throwing their full weight behind delivering a proper, working class Brexit which the majority of Labour constituencies voted for. They would have pissed the last election had they done so & this mess would all be behind us. I don't like what Labour have become, they're a party for middle class kids who live off the bank of mummy & daddy and love to preach about knowing what's best for the poor, and I wont even get started on their identity politics bullshit... But I just want these cowardly Tories out, and there's only Labour that can do that. (Which is thanks to the Brexit Party being equally as cowardly. There wouldn't have been any splitting of the leave vote 'cos the Tories don't want to leave!) We're just going end up with either a hung parliament & fuck all getting done (Again!) or a Tory majority & Boris' shit deal. Either way we anit getting Brexit. If we end up with Boris that is why I say it isn't over......but I know what you mean.
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Post by Kilo on Dec 4, 2019 16:16:36 GMT
What rubbish! The average CEO salary is around £97K The EU commissioners are taking around £8M out of the pot before taking into account all the freebies and expenses they take. Comparing them to Premiership footballers is ludicrous.
I said partners... and I can assure you that plenty of CEOs earn much more than 97k. Edit: Why is it ludicrous to make a comparison to other high earning jobs? Are footballers now exempt from any criticism of their salaries in your opinion? Are we only allowed to compare low salaries to the EU top earner but not higher ones? I don't dispute that plenty earn more than 97k - it's an average which means plenty are also below that figure but the average is WAY below the 264K quoted. Footballers are in no way exempt from criticism, if anything they are the worst example of being overpaid for what they do but at least they are paid from a revenue generated from people who have a choice if they want to pay. The fat cats in the EU are paid from taxing people who have no choice and can't even vote them out.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 4, 2019 17:35:51 GMT
DC as I understand it the BREXIT party are putting up candidates in those seats where there is not an incumbent Tory MP...so they will have something to vote for won't they...... unless I've missed something, I have been otherwise occupied recently I just don't buy into them, BigJohn. I said from day one they're just Tories in a different shade of blue, them not standing in Tory seats does nothing but confirm this. They wont win (m)any seats but if enough of the plebs vote for these cuddly, working class Tories then it will take votes off Labour & help the real Tories get a majority... A majority which will lead to Boris' awful so-called Brexit. We anit leaving, they aren't going to let us leave, might aswell just vote Labour & get these Tory pricks out. Trouble is, Labour are pricks, too.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 4, 2019 17:46:47 GMT
Trouble is, Labour are pricks, too. Oh I know, mate. At the risk of repeating myself though we've just got to accept that Brexit anit happening, you, like myself, have said all along how they wont let us leave & we've been proved right, so it's no longer a case of voting for what we want anymore (We tried to vote 'for' something back in 2016 & have had two fingers stuck up at us ever since, so we might aswell try voting 'against' things instead.) Sure, there's plenty about modern Labour that I can't stand, but they do still have one or two things I can get onboard with, the Tories, on the otherhand, I can't stand anything about them. So it's not so much as I'll be voting 'for' Labour, I'll be voting 'against' the Tories.
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Post by serpico on Dec 4, 2019 18:14:49 GMT
Surely the best, and most realistic outcome a brexiteer can hope for, is a tory win and the brexit party winning enough seats to be influence the direction of Brexit. Brexit is dead if this doesn't happen.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 4, 2019 18:27:16 GMT
Surely the best, and most realistic outcome a brexiteer can hope for, is a tory win and the brexit party winning enough seats to be influence the direction of Brexit. Brexit is dead if this doesn't happen. Brexit is already dead. The Tories don't want it, and the Brexit Party have already shown that they're nothing more than Tory bum boys when they bowed down to Tory demands on where to stand. What makes people think they're suddenly going to grow some bollocks & stand up to their masters if they win some seats? They're nothing more than a friendly face to the plebs up north so that Labour can lose some votes & the Tories can push through their dogshit non-Brexit deal they've been trying to pass for 3 years. I can't believe so many people whose opinions I usually have the utmost respect for are falling for it.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 4, 2019 18:59:30 GMT
Trouble is, Labour are pricks, too. Oh I know, mate. At the risk of repeating myself though we've just got to accept that Brexit anit happening, you, like myself, have said all along how they wont let us leave & we've been proved right, so it's no longer a case of voting for what we want anymore (We tried to vote 'for' something back in 2016 & have had two fingers stuck up at us ever since, so we might aswell try voting 'against' things instead.) Sure, there's plenty about modern Labour that I can't stand, but they do still have one or two things I can get onboard with, the Tories, on the otherhand, I can't stand anything about them. So it's not so much as I'll be voting 'for' Labour, I'll be voting 'against' the Tories. I won't vote for Labour. I can't reward them for shitting on my vote in the referendum, having promised to honour the result in the 2017 election. I haven't fallen for the sudden "we now have money to spend" that the Tories are coming out with, either. Not to mention loads of other things they have fucked up. I think I will spoil my paper.
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Post by serpico on Dec 4, 2019 19:22:31 GMT
Surely the best, and most realistic outcome a brexiteer can hope for, is a tory win and the brexit party winning enough seats to be influence the direction of Brexit. Brexit is dead if this doesn't happen. Brexit is already dead. The Tories don't want it, and the Brexit Party have already shown that they're nothing more than Tory bum boys when they bowed down to Tory demands on where to stand. What makes people think they're suddenly going to grow some bollocks & stand up to their masters if they win some seats? They're nothing more than a friendly face to the plebs up north so that Labour can lose some votes & the Tories can push through their dogshit non-Brexit deal they've been trying to pass for 3 years. I can't believe so many people whose opinions I usually have the utmost respect for are falling for it. I don't agree that the Brexit party candidates will just go along with Johnsons shit sandwich brexit, they wouldn't vote for his May reheat. Farage was probably right to stand his candidates down, they were never going to win and would only serve to help Labour, who are basically null and voiding the 1st referendum with their faux "peoples vote" bollocks.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 4, 2019 20:10:31 GMT
I don't agree that the Brexit party candidates will just go along with Johnsons shit sandwich brexit, they wouldn't vote for his May reheat. So we get extension, after extension, after extension, after extension. Yeah, we've been here before... Or do you think the Tories are suddenly going to give us the true Brexit they could have already given us if they really wanted to?
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Post by serpico on Dec 4, 2019 20:19:23 GMT
I don't agree that the Brexit party candidates will just go along with Johnsons shit sandwich brexit, they wouldn't vote for his May reheat. So we get extension, after extension, after extension, after extension. Yeah, we've been here before... Or do you think the Tories are suddenly going to give us the true Brexit they could have already given us if they really wanted to? getting an extension is better than letting this half measure brexit through ... i hear where you're coming from but imo if you can vote brexit party i'd say do it, i can't as i'm in a safe tory seat, but anyone who can, should, just pack the place with as many real brexiteers as possible, thats all we can do now.
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 4, 2019 23:12:06 GMT
Surely the best, and most realistic outcome a brexiteer can hope for, is a tory win and the brexit party winning enough seats to be influence the direction of Brexit. Brexit is dead if this doesn't happen. Brexit is already dead. The Tories don't want it, and the Brexit Party have already shown that they're nothing more than Tory bum boys when they bowed down to Tory demands on where to stand. What makes people think they're suddenly going to grow some bollocks & stand up to their masters if they win some seats? They're nothing more than a friendly face to the plebs up north so that Labour can lose some votes & the Tories can push through their dogshit non-Brexit deal they've been trying to pass for 3 years. I can't believe so many people whose opinions I usually have the utmost respect for are falling for it. A WTO brexit is never going to be allowed if hellfire and damnation didnt follow it too many pundits would be finished forever. If we dont get out this time we will never get out so I will take pretty much anything that delivers this as Trump has shown international treaties and agreements are not worth much if you just want to overturn them like he has with Nafta so anything signed now can also be overriden.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 4, 2019 23:17:17 GMT
So we get extension, after extension, after extension, after extension. Yeah, we've been here before... Or do you think the Tories are suddenly going to give us the true Brexit they could have already given us if they really wanted to? getting an extension is better than letting this half measure brexit through ... i hear where you're coming from but imo if you can vote brexit party i'd say do it, i can't as i'm in a safe tory seat, but anyone who can, should, just pack the place with as many real brexiteers as possible, thats all we can do now. All you will do is kill Brexit by voting for the Brexit Party. Another delicious irony.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 4, 2019 23:19:08 GMT
Brexit is already dead. The Tories don't want it, and the Brexit Party have already shown that they're nothing more than Tory bum boys when they bowed down to Tory demands on where to stand. What makes people think they're suddenly going to grow some bollocks & stand up to their masters if they win some seats? They're nothing more than a friendly face to the plebs up north so that Labour can lose some votes & the Tories can push through their dogshit non-Brexit deal they've been trying to pass for 3 years. I can't believe so many people whose opinions I usually have the utmost respect for are falling for it. I don't agree that the Brexit party candidates will just go along with Johnsons shit sandwich brexit, they wouldn't vote for his May reheat. Farage was probably right to stand his candidates down, they were never going to win and would only serve to help Labour, who are basically null and voiding the 1st referendum with their faux "peoples vote" bollocks. I agree. To get something approaching a proper Brexit we need the Tories to win but need Brexit support to have a comfortable majority to counteract the loss of the support from the DUP and those Tory MPs who don't want Brexit and only go along with the present deal which effectively still leaves control and liabilities with the EU. That way Boris can be a lot tougher with the EU and demand our version of what the agreement means and not the EU definitions, or threaten to quit with no deal. If Boris wins with a weak majority and minimal Brexit support, we will have more years of kicking the can down the road as we gradually reach an agreement that stuffs us. I can foresee violent protests and riots by remainers, stirred up by Labour and Lib Dems, Scotland, and NI, similar to the riots Thatcher had to contend with in 1981.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 5, 2019 10:59:34 GMT
They're not just the friendly face of the Tory party to con the working class plebs up north into voting for them though, honest.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 5, 2019 17:32:21 GMT
They're not just the friendly face of the Tory party to con the working class plebs up north into voting for them though, honest. DC I'd genuinely like to know your thoughts on this. I am not sure what people expect Farage/ UKIP / the BREXIT party reasonably to do. Farage has spent 20 years fighting against all odds for a referendum , making the case against the EU. He was ridiculed, largely ignored in his early fight, then subject to intimidation. Most people who are now passionately against the EU were largely oblivious to the project or at best pragmatically just " got on with their own lives" believing ( probably rightly so) that there is nothing we can do because " politicians" have decided. He won the right to the referendum and in my opinion was the most influential person in respect of the " leave" vote. Leave won. In the case of any other democratic decision that should have been the end of it......We should leave the EU. Unfortunately the political class , supported by the media and other powerful influential self interested bodies could not and will not accept the result....thus a concerted effort to show contempt for and to undermine the result. So it falls to Farage to try to win the referendum TWICE. Why should he be expected to do that? I normal times we have simply seen the dereliction of duty by Parliament. He had no influence or involvement in implementing ( or not implementing) the referendum result.....if he had we would have been out at least a year ago , and now we would be dealing with those issues that people say that we should be dealing with. So in light of the fact that May ( a TORY) was clearly and dishonestly and deceitfully leading us to remain in the EU Farage had to quickly organise a new party. Remarkably he did so , He/ the BREXIT party not only did that but became the largest party in the EU Parliament. No mean feat. Unprecedented. In doing what he did in his fight for freedom from the EU inextricably he has exposed the hypocrisy, contempt for the people and deficiency in democracy in the UK. And forced May's resignation and eventually this election. In this election I believe that he fully intended to " change politics for good". The party was able to get candidates for every seat. Farage himself had/ has reservations and agreed with you that Boris's rehash of May's deal is or may not be Brexit. I also agree with you and Farage...it may not be..... hence his fighting the election rather than supporting the Tories. Then many people said that Farage was wrong and that by " going it alone" he/ the BREXIT party was likely to split the Leave vote and it was " all about him". Apparently he was in danger of losing Brexit altogether ( a disgraceful pronouncement considering thst the referendum had already been won). Those who said that he was wrong included the whole of the ERG, Alan Sked, Aaron Banks, Suzanne Evans, Patrick O'flynn etc and many many others....I can't recall any real voice taking Farage's side. For me he/ the Party was in a complete no win situation... either he is seen as being pig headed, arrogant, being accused of losing Brexit ( some still claim that this is the case in respect of the seats in which the party is standing) or he sticks absolutely to what he believes that Boris/ the Tory party are up to and fights every seat ( and I can understand the argument either way)....a Brino...and in that he seems to agree with both of us.....like you I think that the Tories may still intend to remain....I believe that Farage , having no real way out , latched upon some assurances that Boris gave and withdrew from the Tory held seats with a warning that the party would be watching closely post election. In the closed shop 2 party UK system Farage has made an unprecedented impact. He does belong as you say to a more Tory-lite camp BUT I genuinely believe that he put his desire for self governance, belief in the UK sovereignty and now democracy above any party allegiance.....to achieve that goal is obviously proving to be difficult to say the least. Some others such as Clare Fox, Galloway, Kate Hoey, Gisella Stuart obviously agree with his stance and are prepared to stand by his basic philosophy. Also clearly many ordinary working class voters see him as providing them with their only voice, even though if the goal of BREXIT is achieved they would and possibly should revert to other issues policies to determine their political allegiance in the future. The parallel that comes to my mind is the dumping of Churchill following the second world war. Personally if Brexit is achieved I'm not overly concerned about what happens to Farage, he himself after the referendum said that he wanted to get his life back..... unless he could see an opportunity/ role in making our country more democratic and / or there was an opportunity for him to use his leadership skills.....in my opinion he leaves standing the three people now vying to run the country in this respect. The BREXIT party contract is by far the best that I have seen in trying to achieve real long lasting change in theUK( as opposed to the temporary bribes offered by the big 2).... reform the voting system, Abolish the H of L, clamp down on postal voting. Also Farage is also by far the most outward looking free trade ambassador. www.thebrexitparty.org/contract/The election certainly will not be the end of the BREXIT debate. The withdrawal agreement ( which I don't like even in principle as well as fact) may well go through before or just after the year end if Boris gets a majority but I think that the real work that determines whether we have actually in reality left the EU.... only time will tell, and I think that the arguments will last ( as a live political priority) at least two years and then will still drag on under the surface. During this time presumably Boris will be judged upon" Let's get BREXIT done".....and either the mood of the country/ the debate will decide not.....in which case the fight continues or people give up ( in which case you are correct...No Brexit) or we do indeed get BREXIT, or at least are along a stage "to further disentanglement". I don't know what more we can reasonably expect Farage/ the BREXIT party to do. I suppose that some people could take a cynical view that he had been in it for himself all along and has made a living from BREXIT and is nothing more than a closet Tory. Personally I can't see any evidence for that and believe that he genuinely believes in the independence of our country.... hence he can speak with conviction and passion. DC As you know I agree with you on most things so would be interested to know what you think Farage/ BREXIT party should have done and what those of us who still believe in BREXIT should do now.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 5, 2019 18:21:56 GMT
Brexit has always been dead, BigJohn. We all said on here from day one that they'll never let us leave, sure we still voted for it, sure we all hoped that the average Joe Bloggs still had a say in this country, but we all knew deep down we'd be told to fuck off & know our place.
I've never brought into the whole Farage thing at any point (When have you ever seen me talking about him?) As you've said many times it's not about the man, it's about the bigger picture. Does Farage genuinely want independence? I don't know, I don't listen to him, I don't read anything by him, I don't watch any interviews with him, I don't really care. I want independence & that's why I voted for it, I don't really give a fuck what Farage does or doesn't want. All I see is someone who has built a party filled with Tories, decided to not fight against the Tories, but I'm apparently meant to believe he's some champion of the people & will put the Tories in their place if we vote for him? (Only us thicko, working class northern plebs though, the rich southerners can carry on voting Tory, that's fine.)
The Brexit Party are a big con job to rob Labour of northern/working class/leave votes. (I'll just say again here that I'm not a fan of what Labour have become, and yes they're equally to blame for being a bunch of wankers who've shit all over the biggest vote this country has ever seen.) If Farage/TBP were genuine why would they give the slightest fuck about what Aaron fucking Banks says? I thought they were all for change? To quote The Don, I thought they were all for draining the swamp? Why are they so scared of some Tories saying some things? Boo hoo. They don't give a fuck about us, BigJohn, they only care about what is best for the Tory party.
As for what could have been done differently, not a lot apparently as democracy in this country is dead. We found that out when we voted to leave the European Union in 2016, unyet here we are about to enter 2020 & we're still fully signed up members.
Still, not long untill the election...
Vote Tory & get Boris' bullshit deal which is actually Remain. Vote The Brexit Party & get Boris' bullshit deal which is actually Remain. Vote Labour & get a second referendum where the two options are Remain or Remain. Vote Lib Dems & revoke article 50 & Remain.
Know your place, pleb.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 5, 2019 18:30:40 GMT
Brexit has always been dead, BigJohn. We all said on here from day one that they'll never let us leave, sure we still voted for it, sure we all hoped that the average Joe Bloggs still had a say in this country, but we all knew deep down we'd be told to fuck off & know our place. I've never brought into the whole Farage thing at any point (When have you ever seen me talking about him?) As you've said many times it's not about the man, it's about the bigger picture. Does Farage genuinely want independence? I don't know, I don't listen to him, I don't read anything by him, I don't watch any interviews with him, I don't really care. I want independence & that's why I voted for it, I don't really give a fuck what Farage does or doesn't want. All I see is someone who has built a party filled with Tories, decided to not fight against the Tories, but I'm apparently meant to believe he's some champion of the people & will put the Tories in their place if we vote for him? (Only us thicko, working class northern plebs though, the rich southerners can carry on voting Tory, that's fine.) The Brexit Party are a big con job to rob Labour of northern/working class/leave votes. (I'll just say again here that I'm not a fan of what Labour have become, and yes they're equally to blame for being a bunch of wankers who've shit all over the biggest vote this country has ever seen.) If Farage/TBP were genuine why would they give the slightest fuck about what Aaron fucking Banks says? I thought they were all for change? To quote The Don, I thought they were all for draining the swamp? Why are they so scared of some Tories saying some things? Boo hoo. They don't give a fuck about us, BigJohn, they only care about what is best for the Tory party. As for what could have been done differently, not a lot apparently as democracy in this country is dead. We found that out when we voted to leave the European Union in 2016, unyet here we are about to enter 2020 & we're still fully signed up members. Still, not long untill the election... Vote Tory & get Boris' bullshit deal which is actually Remain. Vote The Brexit Party & get Boris' bullshit deal which is actually Remain. Vote Labour & get a second referendum where the two options are Remain or Remain. Vote Lib Dems & revoke article 50 & Remain. Know your place, pleb. As you know DC I agree with your sentiments ( I'd say entirely,,) perhaps just a bit of different emphasis on different parts....I think we/ any movement needs a leader and in my opinion Farage has done that. Where we go from here I don't know.... for me the only hope is that Boris under pressure, actually delivers or people don't give up and we continue the fight. Conversely if there is a coalition with Corbyn at the helm I genuinely believe that things could get do bad that the movement fir democracy becomes an even bigger crisis. I may be the eternal optimist but without hope there is little point. And I must say that one difference in Farage and the rest....if you look at the link to the Brexit party contract.....I actually think that he would deliver it. In some ways the battle is only just starting....
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 5, 2019 19:04:12 GMT
Brexit has always been dead, BigJohn. We all said on here from day one that they'll never let us leave, sure we still voted for it, sure we all hoped that the average Joe Bloggs still had a say in this country, but we all knew deep down we'd be told to fuck off & know our place. I've never brought into the whole Farage thing at any point (When have you ever seen me talking about him?) As you've said many times it's not about the man, it's about the bigger picture. Does Farage genuinely want independence? I don't know, I don't listen to him, I don't read anything by him, I don't watch any interviews with him, I don't really care. I want independence & that's why I voted for it, I don't really give a fuck what Farage does or doesn't want. All I see is someone who has built a party filled with Tories, decided to not fight against the Tories, but I'm apparently meant to believe he's some champion of the people & will put the Tories in their place if we vote for him? (Only us thicko, working class northern plebs though, the rich southerners can carry on voting Tory, that's fine.) The Brexit Party are a big con job to rob Labour of northern/working class/leave votes. (I'll just say again here that I'm not a fan of what Labour have become, and yes they're equally to blame for being a bunch of wankers who've shit all over the biggest vote this country has ever seen.) If Farage/TBP were genuine why would they give the slightest fuck about what Aaron fucking Banks says? I thought they were all for change? To quote The Don, I thought they were all for draining the swamp? Why are they so scared of some Tories saying some things? Boo hoo. They don't give a fuck about us, BigJohn, they only care about what is best for the Tory party. As for what could have been done differently, not a lot apparently as democracy in this country is dead. We found that out when we voted to leave the European Union in 2016, unyet here we are about to enter 2020 & we're still fully signed up members. Still, not long untill the election... Vote Tory & get Boris' bullshit deal which is actually Remain. Vote The Brexit Party & get Boris' bullshit deal which is actually Remain. Vote Labour & get a second referendum where the two options are Remain or Remain. Vote Lib Dems & revoke article 50 & Remain. Know your place, pleb. Personally I don't think that it is a sham that Farage is criticising Boris. ...but I do think that Farage himself does not know precisely what to do at the moment. /
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 5, 2019 22:09:52 GMT
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Post by felonious on Dec 13, 2019 6:43:39 GMT
What now for Brexit?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 13, 2019 6:44:27 GMT
Could go either way.... obviously I hope that the pre referendum promises made by the government are honoured...but trust in politicians remains on trial
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Post by Clayton Wood on Dec 13, 2019 9:17:36 GMT
WANTED. Position to suit outdoor type. Anything considered but would prefer Westminster or near. Used to public yorping and shitting in the gutter, would consider Crowdfunding project to move to Brussels. Contact Steve Bray on 07881 557214 or leave message with my secretary, Mrs J Swinson.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 13, 2019 9:23:06 GMT
A referendum and two general elections and we are still none the wiser. So much for democracy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 9:26:46 GMT
Whatever happens now, Johnson owns Brexit. No more excuses, no more waffle. That is the best thing about the result whatever your politics, absolute clarity.
But lets not kid ourselves, this is the end of the beginning and not the beginning of the end for Brexit, the hard work starts here......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 9:26:48 GMT
A watered down Brexit will be pushed through with very little actually changing day to day for the average person
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 13, 2019 10:23:44 GMT
Just watching Johnson saying that we will now definitely come out ON January 31st.
The bit I don't get, is why do we have to wait until 31st January?
He's got a thumping big majority, so what's to stop him, as soon as the HOC returns, having a vote on his (oven ready) deal immediately?
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Post by foster on Dec 13, 2019 10:33:27 GMT
Just watching Johnson saying that we will now definitely come out ON January 31st. The bit I don't get, is why do we have to wait until 31st January? He's got a thumping big majority, so what's to stop him, as soon as the HOC returns, having a vote on his (oven ready) deal immediately? Holiday season mate.
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Post by Davef on Dec 13, 2019 10:34:19 GMT
Just watching Johnson saying that we will now definitely come out ON January 31st. The bit I don't get, is why do we have to wait until 31st January? He's got a thumping big majority, so what's to stop him, as soon as the HOC returns, having a vote on his (oven ready) deal immediately? Isn't 31st January the legally agreed date Paul?
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