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Post by capto on Jun 29, 2017 10:30:47 GMT
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Post by rat on Jun 29, 2017 18:44:21 GMT
Hugely successful companies such as Rolls-Royce whose export markets are global are not remotely at risk from the Brexit madness. It's the smaller component suppliers and mfrs. further up in the supply chain who will suffer if our single market access status is not retained.
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Post by rat on Jun 29, 2017 19:31:53 GMT
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Post by flashman on Jun 30, 2017 15:17:47 GMT
Loyalty helpfulness and honesty are synonymous with the banking industry and that's why they have moved to Ireland .
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 30, 2017 15:27:09 GMT
Blame the MP's who agreed to the referendum, then. If it was a disaster waiting to happen, why did they allow it?
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Post by rat on Jun 30, 2017 16:11:29 GMT
Blame the MP's who agreed to the referendum, then. If it was a disaster waiting to happen, why did they allow it? It was a vote that was put in place by David Cameron to try and silence the noisy anti-EU brigade of the Tory Party . Cameron gambled that we'd all vote remain and then all the anti-EU elements within his party would be forced to shut up and re-unite under a Pro-EU mandate . Clearly this didn't go to plan and the car crash that we are witnessing over Brexit comes down to this single high risk , winner takes all, Tory gamble . That's why they allowed it . The referendum was never in the interests of the British people , it was a risky attempt by Doddy Dave to reunite the Tories under a pro-EU mandate . Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. The Tories love to gamble like this , it's regarded as the macho Tory way , even if it screws the country over . Sickening aint it ?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 30, 2017 16:26:55 GMT
Blame the MP's who agreed to the referendum, then. If it was a disaster waiting to happen, why did they allow it? It was a vote that was put in place by David Cameron to try and silence the noisy anti-EU brigade of the Tory Party . Cameron gambled that we'd all vote remain and then all the anti-EU elements within his party would be forced to shut up and re-unite under a Pro-EU mandate . Clearly this didn't go to plan and the car crash that we are witnessing over Brexit comes down to this single high risk , winner takes all, Tory gamble . That's why they allowed it . The referendum was never in the interests of the British people , it was a risky attempt by Doddy Dave to reunite the Tories under a pro-EU mandate . Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. The Tories love to gamble like this , it's regarded as the macho Tory way , even if it screws the country over . Sickening aint it ? " I cannot agree to subcontract to the Romanian government the right to decide who can come and work and live in Britain [...] or what our foreign policy should be" "It's not rocket science"
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Post by Gods on Jun 30, 2017 16:55:23 GMT
Blame the MP's who agreed to the referendum, then. If it was a disaster waiting to happen, why did they allow it? It was a vote that was put in place by David Cameron to try and silence the noisy anti-EU brigade of the Tory Party . Cameron gambled that we'd all vote remain and then all the anti-EU elements within his party would be forced to shut up and re-unite under a Pro-EU mandate . Clearly this didn't go to plan and the car crash that we are witnessing over Brexit comes down to this single high risk , winner takes all, Tory gamble . That's why they allowed it . The referendum was never in the interests of the British people , it was a risky attempt by Doddy Dave to reunite the Tories under a pro-EU mandate . Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. The Tories love to gamble like this , it's regarded as the macho Tory way , even if it screws the country over . Sickening aint it ? It was a crazy, lunatic gamble which would divide the nation whatever the result. I was with Cameron in the sense that I didn't believe the nation could possibly vote 'out' when all informed opinion be it academics, unions, politicians, economists, the treasury and business were massively in favour of remain but it did. It was like the public were give a big 'piss off experts' button and, guess what, they pressed it. We are where we are now, which is deep in the brown stuff, we could really do with someone calling 'time' on this nonsense but no one has the political authority to do it. So I presume we are going to limp on with this thing against the judgement of almost everyone directly involved with making it happen. It really is a sorry state of affairs. I notice the Sunday Times property section ran a piece at the weekend 'Bag a bolthole and an EU passport' as 'Brits are applying in record numbers to become citizens of EU countries' if you do want to just 'bale' then it looks like 5 years and a 500,000 Euros investment is your minimum entry ticket.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jun 30, 2017 17:06:42 GMT
I'll give you credit, Gods, you're the most presistant troll I've ever encountered (Which is actually really, really sad considering you're not some sad fuck teenager doing it for the "lolz", you're actually what appears to be a middle-aged man) You stick at it though buddy, maybe someone will bite this time & you'll get the few pages of arguing you crave with every post you ever make.
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Post by flashman on Jun 30, 2017 17:12:30 GMT
It was a vote that was put in place by David Cameron to try and silence the noisy anti-EU brigade of the Tory Party . Cameron gambled that we'd all vote remain and then all the anti-EU elements within his party would be forced to shut up and re-unite under a Pro-EU mandate . Clearly this didn't go to plan and the car crash that we are witnessing over Brexit comes down to this single high risk , winner takes all, Tory gamble . That's why they allowed it . The referendum was never in the interests of the British people , it was a risky attempt by Doddy Dave to reunite the Tories under a pro-EU mandate . Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. The Tories love to gamble like this , it's regarded as the macho Tory way , even if it screws the country over . Sickening aint it ? " I cannot agree to subcontract to the Romanian government the right to decide who can come and work and live in Britain [...] or what our foreign policy should be" "It's not rocket science" I've forgotten this woman's name , but she in my opinion is the best interviewer in the history of British TV bar none .!! Ive watched her rip apart many politicians ego's with the gusto that the gestapo would have been proud of on both sides of the political divide . As for gorgeous George .....I was wondering if he still lives in Portugal and does he claim travelling expenses as he globe trots across the political landscape promoting "socialism " in his profoundly leftist ways . The man is every luvvies dream...an icon of those who support the notion 'Do as I say ...not what I do ' . Personally ...I preferred him dressed up in a cat costume on Big Brother grovelling around on the floor of the Set . He loves the limelight when it suits his own personal agenda , but less so when it gets awkward . He also has 1 million followers on social media ...don't you know ....wow that's impressive isn't it ? Can you imagine what he would be like in some swanky London bar giving bystanders the stance of man keen on self importance ...? Im pretty sure that very soon he will be "fondled" gently back into Jezzas open arms .....its just a matter of time .
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 30, 2017 17:13:16 GMT
It was a vote that was put in place by David Cameron to try and silence the noisy anti-EU brigade of the Tory Party . Cameron gambled that we'd all vote remain and then all the anti-EU elements within his party would be forced to shut up and re-unite under a Pro-EU mandate . Clearly this didn't go to plan and the car crash that we are witnessing over Brexit comes down to this single high risk , winner takes all, Tory gamble . That's why they allowed it . The referendum was never in the interests of the British people , it was a risky attempt by Doddy Dave to reunite the Tories under a pro-EU mandate . Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. The Tories love to gamble like this , it's regarded as the macho Tory way , even if it screws the country over . Sickening aint it ? It was a crazy, lunatic gamble which would divide the nation whatever the result. I was with Cameron in the sense that I didn't believe the nation could possibly vote 'out' when all informed opinion be it academics, unions, politicians, economists, the treasury and business were massively in favour of remain but it did. It was like the public were give a big 'piss off experts' button and, guess what, they pressed it. We are where we are now, which is deep in the brown stuff, we could really do with someone calling 'time' on this nonsense but no one has the political authority to do it. So I presume we are going to limp on with this thing against the judgement of almost everyone directly involved with making it happen. It really is a sorry state of affairs. I notice the Sunday Times property section ran a piece at the weekend 'Bag a bolthole and an EU passport' as 'Brits are applying in record numbers to become citizens of EU countries' if you do want to just 'bale' then it looks like 5 years and a 500,000 Euros investment is your minimum entry ticket. My point was, Gods, that wasn't there a vote on whether to have a referendum in the Commons? If it was a catastrophe in waiting, how could MP's from all sides agree to having the referendum? Just checked and the vote was 544 to 53 in favour of holding the referendum. Did they all gamble, and how could they be so irresponsible?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 30, 2017 18:13:28 GMT
" I cannot agree to subcontract to the Romanian government the right to decide who can come and work and live in Britain [...] or what our foreign policy should be" "It's not rocket science" I've forgotten this woman's name , but she in my opinion is the best interviewer in the history of British TV bar none .!! Ive watched her rip apart many politicians ego's with the gusto that the gestapo would have been proud of on both sides of the political divide . As for gorgeous George .....I was wondering if he still lives in Portugal and does he claim travelling expenses as he globe trots across the political landscape promoting "socialism " in his profoundly leftist ways . The man is every luvvies dream...an icon of those who support the notion 'Do as I say ...not what I do ' . Personally ...I preferred him dressed up in a cat costume on Big Brother grovelling around on the floor of the Set . He loves the limelight when it suits his own personal agenda , but less so when it gets awkward . He also has 1 million followers on social media ...don't you know ....wow that's impressive isn't it ? Can you imagine what he would be like in some swanky London bar giving bystanders the stance of man keen on self importance ...? Im pretty sure that very soon he will be "fondled" gently back into Jezzas open arms .....its just a matter of time . He's dead right on the EU though
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Post by flashman on Jun 30, 2017 18:56:08 GMT
I dont trust the bastuurd John . He says one thing and then 10 minutes later does another . On the face of it I agree with his sentiments but I simply don't trust him .
If he thinks that Coryn would do a better in the negotiations ...then he's wrong .
its as simple as that .
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 30, 2017 19:05:32 GMT
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Post by Gods on Jun 30, 2017 19:08:58 GMT
It was a crazy, lunatic gamble which would divide the nation whatever the result. I was with Cameron in the sense that I didn't believe the nation could possibly vote 'out' when all informed opinion be it academics, unions, politicians, economists, the treasury and business were massively in favour of remain but it did. It was like the public were give a big 'piss off experts' button and, guess what, they pressed it. We are where we are now, which is deep in the brown stuff, we could really do with someone calling 'time' on this nonsense but no one has the political authority to do it. So I presume we are going to limp on with this thing against the judgement of almost everyone directly involved with making it happen. It really is a sorry state of affairs. I notice the Sunday Times property section ran a piece at the weekend 'Bag a bolthole and an EU passport' as 'Brits are applying in record numbers to become citizens of EU countries' if you do want to just 'bale' then it looks like 5 years and a 500,000 Euros investment is your minimum entry ticket. My point was, Gods, that wasn't there a vote on whether to have a referendum in the Commons? If it was a catastrophe in waiting, how could MP's from all sides agree to having the referendum? Just checked and the vote was 544 to 53 in favour of holding the referendum. Did they all gamble, and how could they be so irresponsible? You ask a good question. I can only assume since the vast majority of MP's on all sides of the house were pro-remain that they felt that in being on a list called 'voted against giving the public the choice on EU membership' would compromise their chances of getting elected the next time around and that in any case remain would win the day so it was 'win-win' for them That's ny guess but I will 'mug up' on it when I have a moment!
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Post by rat on Jun 30, 2017 19:35:47 GMT
It was a vote that was put in place by David Cameron to try and silence the noisy anti-EU brigade of the Tory Party . Cameron gambled that we'd all vote remain and then all the anti-EU elements within his party would be forced to shut up and re-unite under a Pro-EU mandate . Clearly this didn't go to plan and the car crash that we are witnessing over Brexit comes down to this single high risk , winner takes all, Tory gamble . That's why they allowed it . The referendum was never in the interests of the British people , it was a risky attempt by Doddy Dave to reunite the Tories under a pro-EU mandate . Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. The Tories love to gamble like this , it's regarded as the macho Tory way , even if it screws the country over . Sickening aint it ? It was a crazy, lunatic gamble which would divide the nation whatever the result. I was with Cameron in the sense that I didn't believe the nation could possibly vote 'out' when all informed opinion be it academics, unions, politicians, economists, the treasury and business were massively in favour of remain but it did. It was like the public were give a big 'piss off experts' button and, guess what, they pressed it. We are where we are now, which is deep in the brown stuff, we could really do with someone calling 'time' on this nonsense but no one has the political authority to do it. So I presume we are going to limp on with this thing against the judgement of almost everyone directly involved with making it happen. It really is a sorry state of affairs. I notice the Sunday Times property section ran a piece at the weekend 'Bag a bolthole and an EU passport' as 'Brits are applying in record numbers to become citizens of EU countries' if you do want to just 'bale' then it looks like 5 years and a 500,000 Euros investment is your minimum entry ticket. Totally agree Gods. Are you sure you're not HIM...? Spot on analysis.
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Post by stokemark on Jun 30, 2017 19:35:53 GMT
I'll give you credit, Gods, you're the most presistant troll I've ever encountered (Which is actually really, really sad considering you're not some sad fuck teenager doing it for the "lolz", you're actually what appears to be a middle-aged man) You stick at it though buddy, maybe someone will bite this time & you'll get the few pages of arguing you crave with every post you ever make. Troll - fuck me you and Roger wrote the book Do you ever leave your house / cave ?
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 30, 2017 19:42:08 GMT
An American bank you say, are Morgan Stanley announcing they are leaving again ? Must be the 10th or 11th time now. Banks will just move minimum amount of staff to make sure they keep passporting rights which as most have had european subsidiaries for years won't be a problem.
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Post by rat on Jun 30, 2017 19:45:42 GMT
An American bank you say, are Morgan Stanley announcing they are leaving again ? Must be the 10th or 11th time now. Banks will just move minimum amount of staff to make sure they keep passporting rights which as most have had european subsidiaries for years won't be a problem. Phew. That's OK then. Soz, I just had this crazy thought that Brexit was totally wank.
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Post by Gods on Jul 1, 2017 0:01:59 GMT
I'll give you credit, Gods, you're the most presistant troll I've ever encountered (Which is actually really, really sad considering you're not some sad fuck teenager doing it for the "lolz", you're actually what appears to be a middle-aged man) You stick at it though buddy, maybe someone will bite this time & you'll get the few pages of arguing you crave with every post you ever make. Yeah, wish I was still a teenager, but a middle-aged is about right, although I am in denial! But I'm not trolling, not intentionally anyway, I just feel passionate about brexit and I'm joining the great debate, perhaps I have my own style, but I'm not trolling, honestly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 0:09:51 GMT
I'll give you credit, Gods, you're the most presistant troll I've ever encountered (Which is actually really, really sad considering you're not some sad fuck teenager doing it for the "lolz", you're actually what appears to be a middle-aged man) You stick at it though buddy, maybe someone will bite this time & you'll get the few pages of arguing you crave with every post you ever make. Yeah, wish I was still a teenager, but a middle-aged is about right, although I am in denial! But I'm not trolling, not intentionally anyway, I just feel passionate about brexit and I'm joining the great debate, perhaps I have my own style, but I'm not trolling, honestly. Don't apologise mate ......nobody else does .
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Post by Gods on Jul 1, 2017 0:16:16 GMT
Yeah, wish I was still a teenager, but a middle-aged is about right, although I am in denial! But I'm not trolling, not intentionally anyway, I just feel passionate about brexit and I'm joining the great debate, perhaps I have my own style, but I'm not trolling, honestly. Don't apologise mate ......nobody else does . That's true! Ha Bisp, you're back, hope the summer is treating you well
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 0:19:11 GMT
Don't apologise mate ......nobody else does . That's true! Ha Bisp, you're back, hope the summer is treating you well Of course mate it's cricket season !
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Post by Gods on Jul 1, 2017 0:26:19 GMT
That's true! Ha Bisp, you're back, hope the summer is treating you well Of course mate it's cricket season ! Test matches against the South African's followed by the West Indies, what not to like, it should be quite a summer! I wish it was back on the BBC though
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 0:36:19 GMT
Of course mate it's cricket season ! Test matches against the South African's followed by the West Indies, what not to like, it should be quite a summer! I wish it was back on the BBC though In some ways yes , but the BBc coverage always got interrupted by tennis, golf and the like , Sky coverage is so much better ....but at a cost of course .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 0:38:56 GMT
Of course mate it's cricket season ! Test matches against the South African's followed by the West Indies, what not to like, it should be quite a summer! I wish it was back on the BBC though Shows how times have changed ....the West Indies closing the show .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 5:25:56 GMT
" I cannot agree to subcontract to the Romanian government the right to decide who can come and work and live in Britain [...] or what our foreign policy should be" "It's not rocket science" I've forgotten this woman's name , but she in my opinion is the best interviewer in the history of British TV bar none .!! Ive watched her rip apart many politicians ego's with the gusto that the gestapo would have been proud of on both sides of the political divide . As for gorgeous George .....I was wondering if he still lives in Portugal and does he claim travelling expenses as he globe trots across the political landscape promoting "socialism " in his profoundly leftist ways . The man is every luvvies dream...an icon of those who support the notion 'Do as I say ...not what I do ' . Personally ...I preferred him dressed up in a cat costume on Big Brother grovelling around on the floor of the Set . He loves the limelight when it suits his own personal agenda , but less so when it gets awkward . He also has 1 million followers on social media ...don't you know ....wow that's impressive isn't it ? Can you imagine what he would be like in some swanky London bar giving bystanders the stance of man keen on self importance ...? Im pretty sure that very soon he will be "fondled" gently back into Jezzas open arms .....its just a matter of time . But if you are the person you're claiming to be you must have changed your political stance as the real mumf Is a labour supporter until blairs new labour, but always stood strong for true socialism. If you're going to doppelgäng at least do your homework first
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Post by flashman on Jul 1, 2017 6:36:47 GMT
No ....I was a Blair supporter up until the end . I often used to post a link of Blairs 50 greatest achievements but after that period my support for labour faded as a result of changes in their policies . I did have doubts about leaving the EU But that is history . I like UKIP but I see May as the strongest and best negotiator at this present moment .
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Post by rat on Jul 1, 2017 7:27:42 GMT
It was a crazy, lunatic gamble which would divide the nation whatever the result. I was with Cameron in the sense that I didn't believe the nation could possibly vote 'out' when all informed opinion be it academics, unions, politicians, economists, the treasury and business were massively in favour of remain but it did. It was like the public were give a big 'piss off experts' button and, guess what, they pressed it. We are where we are now, which is deep in the brown stuff, we could really do with someone calling 'time' on this nonsense but no one has the political authority to do it. So I presume we are going to limp on with this thing against the judgement of almost everyone directly involved with making it happen. It really is a sorry state of affairs. I notice the Sunday Times property section ran a piece at the weekend 'Bag a bolthole and an EU passport' as 'Brits are applying in record numbers to become citizens of EU countries' if you do want to just 'bale' then it looks like 5 years and a 500,000 Euros investment is your minimum entry ticket. My point was, Gods, that wasn't there a vote on whether to have a referendum in the Commons? If it was a catastrophe in waiting, how could MP's from all sides agree to having the referendum? Just checked and the vote was 544 to 53 in favour of holding the referendum. Did they all gamble, and how could they be so irresponsible? The political hunger for the European referendum was being driven by quite a few different things : 1. The politics of Nigel Farage and UKIP as a party demanding a referendum to exit the EU and bring an end to open borders 2. Elements of our printed media focussing heavily on immigration 3. Years of austerity and wage compression since the 2008 banking crisis , creating misery 4. Globalisation - British jobs disappearing overseas All the above generated a political climate and the public interest for a final IN/OUT vote . The British public were consulted on the issue in 1975 without splitting the nation , so it seemed that the best way to appease the people and kill UKIP dead in the water was to take it to the country . Surely we would all vote to remain and that would be an end to the matter , crushing UKIP in the process UKIP's startling rise also saw the EU referendum make it into the Tory 2015 manifesto , these fears were born out in by the 4 million UKIP votes in the 2015 GE ...... this just added fuel to the fire for Cameron and soon after the election he tabled a date for the vote . Crucially , Labour agreed ..... pretty much for the same reasons .... it seemed like the popular choice and after a nailed on Remain vote , UKIP and the hard right would disintegrate . Add to that Cameron's own party political issues with the Reese-Mogg hard right brigade within his own party constantly raining on his parade (Cameron was strongly pro-EU) , then it all seemed like a vote-winner and a good idea . And anyway, we'd all vote to remain . Surely we wouldn't be daft enough to vote leave? Whoops .
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 1, 2017 7:28:34 GMT
It was a vote that was put in place by David Cameron to try and silence the noisy anti-EU brigade of the Tory Party . Cameron gambled that we'd all vote remain and then all the anti-EU elements within his party would be forced to shut up and re-unite under a Pro-EU mandate . Clearly this didn't go to plan and the car crash that we are witnessing over Brexit comes down to this single high risk , winner takes all, Tory gamble . That's why they allowed it . The referendum was never in the interests of the British people , it was a risky attempt by Doddy Dave to reunite the Tories under a pro-EU mandate . Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. The Tories love to gamble like this , it's regarded as the macho Tory way , even if it screws the country over . Sickening aint it ? It was a crazy, lunatic gamble which would divide the nation whatever the result. I was with Cameron in the sense that I didn't believe the nation could possibly vote 'out' when all informed opinion be it academics, unions, politicians, economists, the treasury and business were massively in favour of remain but it did. It was like the public were give a big 'piss off experts' button and, guess what, they pressed it. We are where we are now, which is deep in the brown stuff, we could really do with someone calling 'time' on this nonsense but no one has the political authority to do it. So I presume we are going to limp on with this thing against the judgement of almost everyone directly involved with making it happen. It really is a sorry state of affairs. I notice the Sunday Times property section ran a piece at the weekend 'Bag a bolthole and an EU passport' as 'Brits are applying in record numbers to become citizens of EU countries' if you do want to just 'bale' then it looks like 5 years and a 500,000 Euros investment is your minimum entry ticket. Spot on. The tide appears to be turning though. Sunderland which voted strongly to leave recently had a second newspaper vote which was 60/40 the other way. Amazingly, several respondents specifically mentioned feeling conned by the 350 million bus promise, which is weird cos everyone on here absolutely knew it was bullshit at the time lol I think car crash though it'll undoubtedly be, it'll probably take the hardships and deprivations of leaving the EU to really get people to change their minds. Too late then though, daft fuckers! I loved the story about the fruit farmer who voted leave and now struggles already to get his fruit picked! He decided sovereignty was more important. In reality, he assumed that Brexit would have no consequences - in other words he was conned by Leave like so many million others. His words! Probably easy to dismiss as fake news if you're still a Brexiteer!
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