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Post by essexstokey on Jul 5, 2017 21:20:19 GMT
today at PMQs an MP asked a question about the ambulance control/ service the Pm did not rule out privatisation of this!
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Post by rat on Jul 5, 2017 21:32:30 GMT
today at PMQs an MP asked a question about the ambulance control/ service the Pm did not rule out privatisation of this! And yet people still vote for these destructive , money grabbing , visionless idiots with their retarded thinking and outmoded financial policies ? Who in their right mind would want a privatised NHS ? Be warned all you Tory voting numpties , once it's gone it WILL NOT re-appear .
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Post by rat on Jul 5, 2017 21:58:50 GMT
In his Autumn Statement , Philip Hammond announced that he was borrowing £59 billion for Brexit . The UK will borrow £122 billion over the next 5 years , for this braindead Brexit .
.....and yet pay for our nurses is still capped at 1% .
There are now 42,000 vacancies within our NHS and more nurses are leaving than applying. Add to that a 96% fall in applications from EU nurses ..... its a scary picture .
Brexit .......all fun an games , until you're dying on a trolley in a corridor
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 11:46:24 GMT
How about SCRAP the NHS
Or at least it's management structure and place it in the hands of the directors of Dougie Mac.
While we're at it SCRAP THE CARE HOMES as well as they are a disgrace and not fit for dogs to live in never mind people who have given a lifetime to this country.
When I see our main hospital in the colours of the German flag, with totally inept parking facilities and a bloody shopping centre in the foyer I wonder what the fcuck this country has come to. When you sit in an accident unit and a piss head with swollen ankle is seen in a queuing system before a child or a man with chest pains. My heart sinks. When some idiot decides that the best way to stop germs spreading is to have EVERYONE press the same handle for hand cleanser. You couldn't make it up. Nurses who have affairs with mental patients, nurses who thump elderly patients, surgeons who perform mastectomy's without need or proper supervision, psychiatrists who have tried to kill themselves and know just what you need when you're depressed^ 700,000 NHS obese and send out just the right message to others.
ROOT AND BRANCH the NHS needs REBUILDING
The care I have had from the NHS has been patchy at best including being lied to twice by two separate doctors. The care my father gets in a care home is shocking. The care my Mother received with "Care in the Community" was abysmal
The care my mother in law and father in law got from Dougie Mac was the best I have ever seen and went far above any expectations we had. The level of compassion alone was an inspiration and I can not speak highly enough of them. God bless them all.
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Post by yeokel on Jul 6, 2017 15:42:51 GMT
Great post.
As has been said many times before, the NHS is no longer fit for purpose. It was designed and built for different times and needs a major overhaul.
We need to stop thinking of it as untouchable, stop thinking of it as "the envy of the world", stop thinking of it as the jewel in the UK crown and start looking around the world at what others do, and what we can learn from them.
And I'm not talking about the American system here, but what do the Germans do, the French, the Dutch and other countries who seem to have systems that put ours to shame? My only experience of a European, non-UK health service was a bit of treatment I received in France - But it was superb and my treatment was well in excess of what I would have expected to receive over here.
Let's look and learn, and then copy. And if it requires higher taxes and better funding, let's try to find a politician who is brave enough to tell us that, to justify the costs in precise terms (even put informational adverts on the telly saying this is what Johnny Foreigner does, this is how they do it and this is what it is going to cost you to make sure we get the same), and then carry it through with the support of the whole country.
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Post by desman2 on Jul 6, 2017 17:16:43 GMT
The Royal Stoke cost 415 million to complete. As it was funded by the PFI initiative then once its paid for it will eventually cost 2.4 bn. The money is there. It,s just being spent wrong. ( as usual)
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Post by rat on Jul 6, 2017 17:40:55 GMT
The Royal Stoke cost 415 million to complete. As it was funded by the PFI initiative then once its paid for it will eventually cost 2.4 bn. The money is there. It,s just being spent wrong. ( as usual) It's basically like having a mortgage .....with the repayments at 25% , seemed like a good idea at the time to get government borrowing off the books . PFI was implemented for the first time in the UK by the Conservative government of John Major in 1992 . When Labour came to power there was nothing in the treasury and Health Secretary , Alan Milburn, was quoted as saying "it's PFI or bust" when the issue of NHS modernisation was tabled . So you can blame the Tories for introducing it , expanding it's use by 1996 AND for creating the financial environment that forced Labour to use it from 1997 .
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Post by desman2 on Jul 6, 2017 22:36:48 GMT
In his Autumn Statement , Philip Hammond announced that he was borrowing £59 billion for Brexit . The UK will borrow £122 billion over the next 5 years , for this braindead Brexit . .....and yet pay for our nurses is still capped at 1% . There are now 42,000 vacancies within our NHS and more nurses are leaving than applying. Add to that a 96% fall in applications from EU nurses ..... its a scary picture . Brexit .......all fun an games , until you're dying on a trolley in a corridor The University Hospitals of the North Midlands has approx 272 EU citizens employed out of a combined 11,000. The largest number are UK and Northern Ireland. So Brexit isnt going to cause a crisis is it. Even if you add up the Non UK/EU staff its not at the crisis levels that we are constantly fed. www.uhnm.nhs.uk/aboutus/How-we-are-doing/Documents/Annual%20Report%202016%20(Signatures).pdf
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Post by rat on Jul 6, 2017 22:50:44 GMT
In his Autumn Statement , Philip Hammond announced that he was borrowing £59 billion for Brexit . The UK will borrow £122 billion over the next 5 years , for this braindead Brexit . .....and yet pay for our nurses is still capped at 1% . There are now 42,000 vacancies within our NHS and more nurses are leaving than applying. Add to that a 96% fall in applications from EU nurses ..... its a scary picture . Brexit .......all fun an games , until you're dying on a trolley in a corridor The University Hospitals of the North Midlands has approx 272 EU citizens employed out of a combined 11,000. The largest number are UK and Northern Ireland. So Brexit isnt going to cause a crisis is it. Even if you add up the Non UK/EU staff its not at the crisis levels that we are constantly fed. www.uhnm.nhs.uk/aboutus/How-we-are-doing/Documents/Annual%20Report%202016%20(Signatures).pdfSo what happens if you fall ill in Essex ?
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Post by 3putts on Jul 7, 2017 16:59:26 GMT
nurses have not had a real time pay rise for 8 years., you dont have to be a rocket scientist to see that this will demoralise the nurses to such an extent that they leave the service. these nurses have to be replaces so the nhs goes to the agencies[parasites] so the tax payer has to fund an[agency] nurse which will cost us about 5x more so the agencies are making millions out of the nhs and the tax payer picks up the tab. this is clear for all to see but theresa may is still stalling on the pay cap.disgraceful
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Post by essexstokey on Jul 7, 2017 19:42:11 GMT
nurses have not had a real time pay rise for 8 years., you dont have to be a rocket scientist to see that this will demoralise the nurses to such an extent that they leave the service. these nurses have to be replaces so the nhs goes to the agencies[parasites] so the tax payer has to fund an[agency] nurse which will cost us about 5x more so the agencies are making millions out of the nhs and the tax payer picks up the tab. this is clear for all to see but theresa may is still stalling on the pay cap.disgraceful I don't know if you picked up on this or not but the internal recruitment service the NHS use has been sold off by the Tories since the election
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Post by 3putts on Jul 7, 2017 19:50:31 GMT
The tories are determined to sell off the nhs tbey are doing it bit by bit.its scandalous that it has even been allowed to happen.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 7, 2017 22:23:14 GMT
Nah, fuck it, make everyone pay directly for everything! Show em what tax is for, the daft cunts.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 8, 2017 5:25:48 GMT
So what happens if you fall ill in Essex ? Fuck Essex.
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Post by rat on Jul 8, 2017 7:24:28 GMT
The tories are determined to sell off the nhs tbey are doing it bit by bit.its scandalous that it has even been allowed to happen. "That’s the standard technique of privatisation: defund, make sure things don’t work, people get angry, you hand it over to private capital." - Noam Chomsky
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 21, 2017 19:22:38 GMT
What is provided by the NHS is already rationed / controlled by NICE and Health Trusts. We cannot hope to provide everything that is deemed " Health" to everybody , free at the point of delivery....I totally support the NHS, but just like Student Loans, Housing, there is no point in pretending that there is not a problem with funding. Somehow an independent , non party , Health body needs to be set up , so that the NHS does not continue to be a political football. "NHS England revealed that it currently spends £4.5m a year on dandruff shampoos – a sum that would fund 1,200 hip replacements. It said 300 community nurses could be funded from the £7.5m spent on treatments for indigestion and heartburn Other readily available items such as cough mixtures, laxatives and sun creams would also be reined in, it said" It's a nonsense that sime of these items are actually cheaper over the counter than the NHS pays for them, irrespective of if the patient or tax payer pays. From; www.theguardian.com/society/2017/dec/21/nhs-england-plans-cut-indigestion-dandruff-prescriptionsUnfortunately , it's s bit like Islam, and immigration whereby it cannot be discussed for long until the " racism" card is played....only this time it is " Don't dare touch the crown jewels, the NHS is sacrosanct"...discussion is inevitably seen as opposition.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 21, 2017 23:27:16 GMT
What is provided by the NHS is already rationed / controlled by NICE and Health Trusts. We cannot hope to provide everything that is deemed " Health" to everybody , free at the point of delivery....I totally support the NHS, but just like Student Loans, Housing, there is no point in pretending that there is not a problem with funding. Somehow an independent , non party , Health body needs to be set up , so that the NHS does not continue to be a political football. "NHS England revealed that it currently spends £4.5m a year on dandruff shampoos – a sum that would fund 1,200 hip replacements. It said 300 community nurses could be funded from the £7.5m spent on treatments for indigestion and heartburn Other readily available items such as cough mixtures, laxatives and sun creams would also be reined in, it said" It's a nonsense that sime of these items are actually cheaper over the counter than the NHS pays for them, irrespective of if the patient or tax payer pays. From; www.theguardian.com/society/2017/dec/21/nhs-england-plans-cut-indigestion-dandruff-prescriptionsUnfortunately , it's s bit like Islam, and immigration whereby it cannot be discussed for long until the " racism" card is played....only this time it is " Don't dare touch the crown jewels, the NHS is sacrosanct"...discussion is inevitably seen as opposition. Big John. I have to say you're fast becoming my 'go to' guy when it comes down to intelligent subject matter.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 22, 2017 12:19:50 GMT
What is provided by the NHS is already rationed / controlled by NICE and Health Trusts. We cannot hope to provide everything that is deemed " Health" to everybody , free at the point of delivery....I totally support the NHS, but just like Student Loans, Housing, there is no point in pretending that there is not a problem with funding. Somehow an independent , non party , Health body needs to be set up , so that the NHS does not continue to be a political football. "NHS England revealed that it currently spends £4.5m a year on dandruff shampoos – a sum that would fund 1,200 hip replacements. It said 300 community nurses could be funded from the £7.5m spent on treatments for indigestion and heartburn Other readily available items such as cough mixtures, laxatives and sun creams would also be reined in, it said" It's a nonsense that sime of these items are actually cheaper over the counter than the NHS pays for them, irrespective of if the patient or tax payer pays. From; www.theguardian.com/society/2017/dec/21/nhs-england-plans-cut-indigestion-dandruff-prescriptionsUnfortunately , it's s bit like Islam, and immigration whereby it cannot be discussed for long until the " racism" card is played....only this time it is " Don't dare touch the crown jewels, the NHS is sacrosanct"...discussion is inevitably seen as opposition. I don't think anybody has a problem with "touching" the crown jewels, it's selling them off where people might, quite rightly in my opinion, get a bit defensive.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 22, 2017 13:45:29 GMT
"if the UK’s breast cancer, prostate cancer, lung cancer and bowel cancer patients were treated in the Netherlands rather than on the NHS, more than 9,000 lives would be saved every year. If they were treated in Germany, more than 12,000 lives would be saved, and if they were treated in Belgium, more than 14,000 lives would be saved." It's a long read but well worth it..... Universal healthcare without the NHS - Institute of Economic Affairs
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Post by essexstokey on Dec 22, 2017 14:38:49 GMT
If this government funded the NHS the way they should there would be no reason to cancel operations no need to do this to stop a creaking system from failing totally this government are starving the NHS and without them taking a new attitude then it is a system that soon will have a cardiac arrest!
merry Christmas roger just hope you and the other tory boys won't need an operation this year as the signs gone up because of your governments cuts there's no room at the inn!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 22, 2017 16:04:39 GMT
If this government funded the NHS the way they should there would be no reason to cancel operations no need to do this to stop a creaking system from failing totally this government are starving the NHS and without them taking a new attitude then it is a system that soon will have a cardiac arrest! merry Christmas roger just hope you and the other tory boys won't need an operation this year as the signs gone up because of your governments cuts there's no room at the inn! I know you haven't read my post but pumping in money year after year, generation after generation isn't the solution.
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 22, 2017 16:15:58 GMT
What is provided by the NHS is already rationed / controlled by NICE and Health Trusts. We cannot hope to provide everything that is deemed " Health" to everybody , free at the point of delivery....I totally support the NHS, but just like Student Loans, Housing, there is no point in pretending that there is not a problem with funding. Somehow an independent , non party , Health body needs to be set up , so that the NHS does not continue to be a political football. "NHS England revealed that it currently spends £4.5m a year on dandruff shampoos – a sum that would fund 1,200 hip replacements. It said 300 community nurses could be funded from the £7.5m spent on treatments for indigestion and heartburn Other readily available items such as cough mixtures, laxatives and sun creams would also be reined in, it said" It's a nonsense that sime of these items are actually cheaper over the counter than the NHS pays for them, irrespective of if the patient or tax payer pays. From; www.theguardian.com/society/2017/dec/21/nhs-england-plans-cut-indigestion-dandruff-prescriptionsUnfortunately , it's s bit like Islam, and immigration whereby it cannot be discussed for long until the " racism" card is played....only this time it is " Don't dare touch the crown jewels, the NHS is sacrosanct"...discussion is inevitably seen as opposition. Some good points add in the cost of people not turning up for appointments which costs hundreds of millions of pounds a year if not billions........
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 22, 2017 16:18:54 GMT
The Royal Stoke cost 415 million to complete. As it was funded by the PFI initiative then once its paid for it will eventually cost 2.4 bn. The money is there. It,s just being spent wrong. ( as usual) It's basically like having a mortgage .....with the repayments at 25% , seemed like a good idea at the time to get government borrowing off the books . PFI was implemented for the first time in the UK by the Conservative government of John Major in 1992 . When Labour came to power there was nothing in the treasury and Health Secretary , Alan Milburn, was quoted as saying "it's PFI or bust" when the issue of NHS modernisation was tabled . So you can blame the Tories for introducing it , expanding it's use by 1996 AND for creating the financial environment that forced Labour to use it from 1997 . Its basically like having a mortgage my arse, I don't know about you but I own my house after paying the mortgage and I can get whoever I want to put a light bulb and buy it from wherever I want, these hospitals we will never own and we tied into ridiculous maintenance contracts too.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 22, 2017 16:49:48 GMT
All under PFI ....
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Post by essexstokey on Dec 22, 2017 21:14:47 GMT
That's because the money that should have been invested in hospital buildings under the Tories was given away in tax cuts and bribes to those that support them !! does that sound familiar as to what they are doing today!! The good old Tories always looking after number one!!
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 22, 2017 21:16:36 GMT
The scheme started by the tories under Major
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 22, 2017 21:38:00 GMT
Its a shame that we can't have a non-political party concensus , to stop the NHS being a political football. How does Germany organise their health service.....they usually do things right!
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 22, 2017 22:01:55 GMT
Its a shame that we can't have a non-political party concensus , to stop the NHS being a political football. How does Germany organise their health service.....they usually do things right! It will never happen as the NHS is seen as Labours strong point just as the economy is seen as the Tories strong point. Left alone it will I'm sure find its own ways to innovate, the adverts on tv for getting repeat prescriptions by post seems a good idea, having to go and see a doctor every week or other week seems a waste of both patient and doctors time.
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Post by essexstokey on Dec 23, 2017 10:01:53 GMT
Well Santa cant get ill this Christmas because of all the cuts to the national elf service
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Post by Mendicant on Dec 23, 2017 10:11:13 GMT
Its a shame that we can't have a non-political party concensus , to stop the NHS being a political football. How does Germany organise their health service.....they usually do things right! I'm staying in a German hospital now Big John. So far so good, they seem well enough organised and equipped.
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