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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 28, 2017 22:16:43 GMT
I wonder where these extra patients have come from You muppet
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Post by manmarking on Apr 28, 2017 22:22:57 GMT
To be honest, I think you need help or the playground. And I won't be responding to your asinine questions again. You know more about playgrounds than most on here as an ex teacher Paul, I don't require help or benefits thanks , as for responding to questions asinine or not you have shown your arse on here tonight you are a coward who does not have the balls to back up your socialist rhetoric, grow a pair man will comrade Corbyn be our next PM ? off to bed with your copy of Mao's little red book for company. The Oatcake's biggest weapon, exploding with rage again Open question to the board: is there anyone on here thicker than carpslayer? Just curious, like. I can't think of one
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 28, 2017 22:25:44 GMT
Yes I stated that it is free at the point of delivery. It's certainly not simple, and I doubt that it is sustainable unless we change the culture, both externally and internally. In theory many things are possible, but realistically undeliverable Sorry mate, but I totally disagree with you. As the 6th richest nation on planet earth free healthcare and free education should be a given and it's institution sacrosanct. If we are advocating the break-up of the NHS then this country, and the people who seem to think a free NHS is beyond us, definitely need a drastic rethink. Nonsense. Do the 5th, 4th, 3rd, 2nd and 1st richest Nations offer free healthcare and free education?? Or even, the 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 28, 2017 23:07:52 GMT
There's clearly a few people misunderstanding you on this thread. It can all be cleared up by you telling us where the extra patients do actually come from? Just a couple of sad socialist's who make assumptions without even checking the facts, or can I take it you also made the wrong assumption so that would be three, I have an idea where the extra patients come from maybe they come from the millions of migrants who have come into the country, I might be wrong but the figures suggest that is the most likely cause. What figues would they be?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 23:26:31 GMT
Sorry mate, but I totally disagree with you. As the 6th richest nation on planet earth free healthcare and free education should be a given and it's institution sacrosanct. If we are advocating the break-up of the NHS then this country, and the people who seem to think a free NHS is beyond us, definitely need a drastic rethink. Nonsense. Do the 5th, 4th, 3rd, 2nd and 1st richest Nations offer free healthcare and free education?? Or even, the 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th? The health service is ridiculed as being not up to the task .......I guarantee that the citizens of those nine countries would love a free health service that is funded to the same proportion that ours is .......it is despite all the criticism a fine institution ....and the Tories won't destroy it .
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 29, 2017 11:32:51 GMT
Nonsense. Do the 5th, 4th, 3rd, 2nd and 1st richest Nations offer free healthcare and free education?? Or even, the 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th? The health service is ridiculed as being not up to the task .......I guarantee that the citizens of those nine countries would love a free health service that is funded to the same proportion that ours is .......it is despite all the criticism a fine institution ....and the Tories won't destroy it . Absolutely. I'm not sure who the Commonwealth Fund are but they say.... "In comparison with the healthcare systems of ten other countries (Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland and USA) the NHS was found to be the most impressive overall by the Commonwealth Fund in 2014." link
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Post by manmarking on Apr 29, 2017 11:48:36 GMT
You know more about playgrounds than most on here as an ex teacher Paul, I don't require help or benefits thanks , as for responding to questions asinine or not you have shown your arse on here tonight you are a coward who does not have the balls to back up your socialist rhetoric, grow a pair man will comrade Corbyn be our next PM ? off to bed with your copy of Mao's little red book for company. The Oatcake's biggest weapon, exploding with rage again Open question to the board: is there anyone on here thicker than carpslayer? Just curious, like. I can't think of one Anyone? No? Earth calling "Woodstein": you'd have stuck up for your little lapdog back in the day. Sad to see loyalty die
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 29, 2017 17:40:08 GMT
You know more about playgrounds than most on here as an ex teacher Paul, I don't require help or benefits thanks , as for responding to questions asinine or not you have shown your arse on here tonight you are a coward who does not have the balls to back up your socialist rhetoric, grow a pair man will comrade Corbyn be our next PM ? off to bed with your copy of Mao's little red book for company. The Oatcake's biggest weapon, exploding with rage again Open question to the board: is there anyone on here thicker than carpslayer? Just curious, like. I can't think of one Highly unlikely....
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 29, 2017 17:41:21 GMT
Nonsense. Do the 5th, 4th, 3rd, 2nd and 1st richest Nations offer free healthcare and free education?? Or even, the 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th? The health service is ridiculed as being not up to the task .......I guarantee that the citizens of those nine countries would love a free health service that is funded to the same proportion that ours is .......it is despite all the criticism a fine institution .... and the Tories won't destroy it .They already are.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 18:31:36 GMT
All parties are equally as guilty of the destruction of the NHS
For starters It would be less of a problem if it were a ..."National Health Service" and not a ..."Global Health Service"
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Post by liquidlen on Apr 29, 2017 18:51:48 GMT
All parties are equally as guilty of the destruction of the NHS For starters It would be less of a problem if it were a ..."National Health Service" and not a ..."Global Health Service" That's not true Mary. The NHS is a socialist institution and represents the beating heart of England and socialism itself. That's why the Tories want to sell it off.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 18:59:29 GMT
All parties are equally as guilty of the destruction of the NHS For starters It would be less of a problem if it were a ..."National Health Service" and not a ..."Global Health Service" That's not true Mary. The NHS is a socialist institution and represents the beating heart of England and socialism itself. That's why the Tories want to sell it off. No, what I put is true
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Post by liquidlen on Apr 29, 2017 19:04:43 GMT
That's not true Mary. The NHS is a socialist institution and represents the beating heart of England and socialism itself. That's why the Tories want to sell it off. No, what I put is true Why on earth would Labour want to see the NHS sandbagged?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 21:11:48 GMT
The health service is ridiculed as being not up to the task .......I guarantee that the citizens of those nine countries would love a free health service that is funded to the same proportion that ours is .......it is despite all the criticism a fine institution .... and the Tories won't destroy it .They already are. Again ?
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 30, 2017 18:27:14 GMT
Same old drivel for years It's not the amount of cash it's the management with in You manage the 4th greatest employer in the world.
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Post by liquidlen on Apr 30, 2017 19:00:34 GMT
Same old drivel for years It's not the amount of cash it's the management with in You manage the 4th greatest employer in the world. Get 'em all on Zero Hours Contracts! Slackers.
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Post by harryburrows on May 2, 2017 14:45:50 GMT
Preserving the NHS is also dependent on its willingness to change and modernise . Listening to a neurosurgeon on five live today was interesting . He took early retirement because he was asked to stop wearing a watch and shirt and tie ( or any outdoor clothing ) during operations to try and fight all the infections taking place . This is somethings caterers have had to do for many years . One thing he did say was when he first qualified 30 years ago he was operating 4 days a week . Due to increases in the number of surgeons they mostly only operate one day a week these days .
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Post by liquidlen on May 2, 2017 17:46:58 GMT
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Post by harryburrows on May 2, 2017 18:59:53 GMT
Don't forget parking charges introduced by labour
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Post by liquidlen on May 2, 2017 19:11:26 GMT
Don't forget parking charges introduced by labour Yes, and in 2009 Labour Health Secretary Andy Burnham promised to scrap the fees, which raised about £110m a year. The Tories kept them.
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Post by harryburrows on May 2, 2017 19:16:20 GMT
Don't forget parking charges introduced by labour Yes, and in 2009 Labour Health Secretary Andy Burnham promised to scrap the fees, which raised about £110m a year. The Tories kept them. They had the previous 13 years
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Post by boothenboy75 on May 2, 2017 19:19:33 GMT
Don't forget parking charges introduced by labour Nor Gordon Brown funding our hospitals through PFI and of course paying private health companies to carry out operations to reduce waiting lists.
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Post by liquidlen on May 2, 2017 19:21:06 GMT
Yes, and in 2009 Labour Health Secretary Andy Burnham promised to scrap the fees, which raised about £110m a year. The Tories kept them. They had the previous 13 years They came in with PFI/PPP didn't they? To say Labour introduced them is not strictly accurate. Either way they make your blood boil if you have a dying relative to attend to.
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Post by liquidlen on May 2, 2017 19:22:17 GMT
Don't forget parking charges introduced by labour Nor Gordon Brown funding our hospitals through PFI and of course paying private health companies to carry out operations to reduce waiting lists. Reducing waiting lists is fine. Outsourcing for profit is not on.
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Post by boothenboy75 on May 2, 2017 19:48:48 GMT
Nor Gordon Brown funding our hospitals through PFI and of course paying private health companies to carry out operations to reduce waiting lists. Reducing waiting lists is fine. Outsourcing for profit is not on. How about if a hospital has a couple of MRI scanners. Should they employ a team of people to cover any potential breakdown or pay a company for this specialist cover?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 2, 2017 19:48:59 GMT
Nor Gordon Brown funding our hospitals through PFI and of course paying private health companies to carry out operations to reduce waiting lists. Reducing waiting lists is fine. Outsourcing for profit is not on. Reducing waiting lists for votes or outsourcing to get more bang for our NHS buck? The outsourced company making a shilling is life.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on May 2, 2017 20:14:11 GMT
Same old drivel for years It's not the amount of cash it's the management with in So if Conté was our manager, we'd automatically win the league? Horseshit as usual I think it's more like: "A Stoke team managed by Conte vs. a Stoke team managed by MH. Who you got...best of seven?
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Post by liquidlen on May 2, 2017 20:38:22 GMT
Reducing waiting lists is fine. Outsourcing for profit is not on. How about if a hospital has a couple of MRI scanners. Should they employ a team of people to cover any potential breakdown or pay a company for this specialist cover? MRI Scanners are at the sharp end of medical technology, of course you have specialist external contractors to maintain this type of specialised technology. Would you expect a nurse to change a cam belt on an ambulance?
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Post by boothenboy75 on May 2, 2017 20:41:55 GMT
How about if a hospital has a couple of MRI scanners. Should they employ a team of people to cover any potential breakdown or pay a company for this specialist cover? MRI Scanners are at the sharp end of medical technology, of course you have specialist external contractors to maintain this type of specialised technology. Would you expect a nurse to change a cam belt on an ambulance? :D Shouldn't the NHS employ mechanics to service their ambulances? Outsourcing it to a privately run garage is surely wrong? You see when you look at it the 6 or so % that the NHS is spending outsourcing seems really quite small.
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Post by liquidlen on May 2, 2017 20:46:16 GMT
MRI Scanners are at the sharp end of medical technology, of course you have specialist external contractors to maintain this type of specialised technology. Would you expect a nurse to change a cam belt on an ambulance? Shouldn't the NHS employ mechanics to service their ambulances? Outsourcing it to a privately run garage is surely wrong? You see when you look at it the 6 or so % that the NHS is spending outsourcing seems really quite small. It's when outsourcing becomes a £multi-million exercise in profiteering from general health staff recruitment that most people have a problem. And so they should.
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