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Post by 3putts on Apr 28, 2017 12:38:58 GMT
its your choice but if you do vote tory expect the nhs to be more privatised. at the moment our nurses are protesting at their insult of a 1% pay increase [how much did mp's vote for themselves?]i spent a month in hospital a while back and our nurses were fantastic in their care for me.its unbelievable what they have to put up with and its not a job i could do. low pay leads to demoralised nurses which means many pack it in then the trusts have to go to agencies[parasites] which is why he hear of some nurses costing the nhs £1,000 a shift.
save the nhs-dont vote tory
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Apr 28, 2017 12:54:40 GMT
£1000 a shift...... errr nope!
I agree with the sentiment, but there is no need to sensationalise the situation.
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Post by salopstick on Apr 28, 2017 12:59:08 GMT
Same old drivel for years
It's not the amount of cash it's the management with in
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 13:02:30 GMT
Same old drivel for years It's not the amount of cash it's the management with in The Conservatives have been destroying the NHS since 1979 ........or it could be longer ?  |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 28, 2017 13:08:54 GMT
Same old drivel for years It's not the amount of cash it's the management with in The Conservatives have been destroying the NHS since 1979 ........or it could be longer ? True! When I was diagnosed with epilepsy in 1983 if you had a tonic clonic fit you were automatically hospitalised, then it was changed to two tonic clonic fits a day and now? My 6 month consultancy was recently changed to 9 monthly(I assume to fit more patients in?) Yes, it is true the Conservatives have been destroying the N.H.S.! |
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 28, 2017 13:12:30 GMT
The Conservatives have been destroying the NHS since 1979 ........or it could be longer ? True! When I was diagnosed with epilepsy in 1983 if you had a tonic clonic fit you were automatically hospitalised, then it was changed to two tonic clonic fits a day and now? My 6 month consultancy was recently changed to 9 monthly(I assume to fit more patients in?) Yes, it is true the Conservatives have been destroying the N.H.S.! I wonder where these extra patients have come from |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 13:13:00 GMT
The Conservatives have been destroying the NHS since 1979 ........or it could be longer ? True! When I was diagnosed with epilepsy in 1983 if you had a tonic clonic fit you were automatically hospitalised, then it was changed to two tonic clonic fits a day and now? My 6 month consultancy was recently changed to 9 monthly(I assume to fit more patients in?) Yes, it is true the Conservatives have been destroying the N.H.S.! So how long does it take ? Does it get undestroyed during a Labour administration and then re- destroyed under the Conservatives ? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 13:13:44 GMT
True! When I was diagnosed with epilepsy in 1983 if you had a tonic clonic fit you were automatically hospitalised, then it was changed to two tonic clonic fits a day and now? My 6 month consultancy was recently changed to 9 monthly(I assume to fit more patients in?) Yes, it is true the Conservatives have been destroying the N.H.S.! I wonder where these extra patients have come from  |
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Post by mtrstudent on Apr 28, 2017 15:34:27 GMT
True! When I was diagnosed with epilepsy in 1983 if you had a tonic clonic fit you were automatically hospitalised, then it was changed to two tonic clonic fits a day and now? My 6 month consultancy was recently changed to 9 monthly(I assume to fit more patients in?) Yes, it is true the Conservatives have been destroying the N.H.S.! I wonder where these extra patients have come from  |
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Post by liquidlen on Apr 28, 2017 15:46:20 GMT
True! When I was diagnosed with epilepsy in 1983 if you had a tonic clonic fit you were automatically hospitalised, then it was changed to two tonic clonic fits a day and now? My 6 month consultancy was recently changed to 9 monthly(I assume to fit more patients in?) Yes, it is true the Conservatives have been destroying the N.H.S.! I wonder where these extra patients have come from From within the minds of Nigel Farage, Paul Dacre, Hugh Whittow and Michael Gove!  |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 28, 2017 16:05:34 GMT
I wonder where these extra patients have come from Naughty, naughty! You're letting facts get in the way of 'craps' prejudices!  |
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 28, 2017 17:36:00 GMT
I wonder where these extra patients have come from Who mentioned the cost ?  try reading the post before replying  |
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 28, 2017 17:38:40 GMT
Naughty, naughty! You're letting facts get in the way of 'craps' prejudices! Oh dear Nicholas another fcuk up by your self, are you sure you have a degree  try reading if you can ! before replying as above same thing |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 28, 2017 18:14:59 GMT
The NHS is not free and never has been.It is extremely expensive.
Being free at the point of delivery and being accessible to all are fantastic ideals for which this country should be rightly proud.
Unfortunately we have a massive problem of which I believe most of us are aware, including politicians, but we do not wish to face up to honestly , largely for political reasons. We can no longer sustain it, in the same way in perpetuity.
The reasons for this , for me are, largely;
Most importantly the NHS is partly a victim of its own success
Because it is perceived to be " free" it is not cherished but abused ( much like the education system).
What was promised in 1945 was based upon the presumption of a full workforce paying taxes, keeping largely in ratio with the population. We no longer have that.
We have an elderly population that need a greater degree of health/ social care depending on where you put the dividing line.
The population / demand has greatly increased, including an amount from unsustainable levels of immigration ( For me the argument that that the NHS depends on immigrants is a bit of a red herring.....I would keep the workers that we currently have, but have a managed programme of training " our" own, "our" referring to current legitimate citizens of whatever origin.
Finally the tremendous , but expensive , advances in medical science means that so much more is possible and expected of the NHS to keep us " healthy". We probably can't afford it, unless we start to change the culture.
I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't a repetitive use of the health service as a political football, with all sides simply saying that they would do more than the others just to emotively gain votes.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 28, 2017 18:15:25 GMT
True! When I was diagnosed with epilepsy in 1983 if you had a tonic clonic fit you were automatically hospitalised, then it was changed to two tonic clonic fits a day and now? My 6 month consultancy was recently changed to 9 monthly(I assume to fit more patients in?) Yes, it is true the Conservatives have been destroying the N.H.S.! I wonder where these extra patients have come from There's clearly a few people misunderstanding you on this thread. It can all be cleared up by you telling us where the extra patients do actually come from? |
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Post by 3putts on Apr 28, 2017 19:27:40 GMT
there is lots of pressure on the nhs, we are all getting older,the population continues to grow,then we have the massive fraud that has been allowed to develop i.e. medicines that should cost 50p orless are being charged at £10 by third party medical agents.we also have medical tourists, this needs to be stamped out immediately but the biggest cost to the nhs has become agency fees the nurses haave been shafted at every turn that results in a shortage which the agencies [parasites] are only to happy to fill £££.mark my words the tories hate the idea of the working classes getting free medical care allways have allways will.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 28, 2017 20:15:39 GMT
I wonder where these extra patients have come from There's clearly a few people misunderstanding you on this thread. It can all be cleared up by you telling us where the extra patients do actually come from? Just a couple of sad socialist's who make assumptions without even checking the facts, or can I take it you also made the wrong assumption so that would be three, I have an idea where the extra patients come from maybe they come from the millions of migrants who have come into the country, I might be wrong but the figures suggest that is the most likely cause. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 28, 2017 20:16:56 GMT
I wonder where these extra patients have come from There's clearly a few people misunderstanding you on this thread. It can all be cleared up by you telling us where the extra patients do actually come from? Cue the dog whistling racism....  |
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Post by liquidlen on Apr 28, 2017 20:27:49 GMT
The NHS is not free and never has been.It is extremely expensive. Being free at the point of delivery and being accessible to all are fantastic ideals for which this country should be rightly proud. Unfortunately we have a massive problem of which I believe most of us are aware, including politicians, but we do not wish to face up to honestly , largely for political reasons. We can no longer sustain it, in the same way in perpetuity. The reasons for this , for me are, largely; Most importantly the NHS is partly a victim of its own success Because it is perceived to be " free" it is not cherished but abused ( much like the education system). What was promised in 1945 was based upon the presumption of a full workforce paying taxes, keeping largely in ratio with the population. We no longer have that. We have an elderly population that need a greater degree of health/ social care depending on where you put the dividing line. The population / demand has greatly increased, including an amount from unsustainable levels of immigration ( For me the argument that that the NHS depends on immigrants is a bit of a red herring.....I would keep the workers that we currently have, but have a managed programme of training " our" own, "our" referring to current legitimate citizens of whatever origin. Finally the tremendous , but expensive , advances in medical science means that so much more is possible and expected of the NHS to keep us " healthy". We probably can't afford it, unless we start to change the culture. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't a repetitive use of the health service as a political football, with all sides simply saying that they would do more than the others just to emotively gain votes. It's free at the point of access. We could sustain the NHS, schools, prisons, welfare, space exploration etc etc without any problems whatsoever if the unpaid £70Billion pa that went offshore were collected. It's that simple. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 28, 2017 20:38:16 GMT
The NHS is not free and never has been.It is extremely expensive. Being FREE AT THE POINT OF DELIVERY and being accessible to all are fantastic ideals for which this country should be rightly proud. Unfortunately we have a massive problem of which I believe most of us are aware, including politicians, but we do not wish to face up to honestly , largely for political reasons. We can no longer sustain it, in the same way in perpetuity. The reasons for this , for me are, largely; Most importantly the NHS is partly a victim of its own success Because it is perceived to be " free" it is not cherished but abused ( much like the education system). What was promised in 1945 was based upon the presumption of a full workforce paying taxes, keeping largely in ratio with the population. We no longer have that. We have an elderly population that need a greater degree of health/ social care depending on where you put the dividing line. The population / demand has greatly increased, including an amount from unsustainable levels of immigration ( For me the argument that that the NHS depends on immigrants is a bit of a red herring.....I would keep the workers that we currently have, but have a managed programme of training " our" own, "our" referring to current legitimate citizens of whatever origin. Finally the tremendous , but expensive , advances in medical science means that so much more is possible and expected of the NHS to keep us " healthy". We probably can't afford it, unless we start to change the culture. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't a repetitive use of the health service as a political football, with all sides simply saying that they would do more than the others just to emotively gain votes. It's free at the point of access. We could sustain the NHS, schools, prisons, welfare, space exploration etc etc without any problems whatsoever if the unpaid £70Billion pa that went offshore were collected. It's that simple. Yes I stated that it is free at the point of delivery. It's certainly not simple, and I doubt that it is sustainable unless we change the culture, both externally and internally. In theory many things are possible, but realistically undeliverable |
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 28, 2017 20:40:29 GMT
There's clearly a few people misunderstanding you on this thread. It can all be cleared up by you telling us where the extra patients do actually come from? Cue the dog whistling racism.... Oh hello, I whistle and ALF appears ! ************** is sniffing around as well hooked five sad socialists with the same bait  , any answer to the question I have asked you twice before Paul it is a nice simple question Yes or No will suffice will comrade Corbyn be our next Prime minister ? this is not a trick question not multi choice no phone a friend (not that it would apply to yourself), you could do 50-50 though come on man up support your man. |
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Post by capto on Apr 28, 2017 21:00:11 GMT
Cue the dog whistling racism.... Oh hello, I whistle and ALF appears ! ************** is sniffing around as well hooked five sad socialists with the same bait , any answer to the question I have asked you twice before Paul it is a nice simple question Yes or No will suffice will comrade Corbyn be our next Prime minister ? this is not a trick question not multi choice no phone a friend (not that it would apply to yourself), you could do 50-50 though come on man up support your man. Do you speak English or just insults? |
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Post by capto on Apr 28, 2017 21:02:37 GMT
Same old drivel for years It's not the amount of cash it's the management with in Proof or just gobbling off? |
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 28, 2017 21:06:34 GMT
Oh hello, I whistle and ALF appears ! ************** is sniffing around as well hooked five sad socialists with the same bait , any answer to the question I have asked you twice before Paul it is a nice simple question Yes or No will suffice will comrade Corbyn be our next Prime minister ? this is not a trick question not multi choice no phone a friend (not that it would apply to yourself), you could do 50-50 though come on man up support your man. Do you speak English or just insults? Not another ! six now on the same bait this is way to easy, note to self must get a bigger keep net or stop fishing for goldfish on the Oatcake. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 28, 2017 21:21:21 GMT
Oh hello, I whistle and ALF appears ! ************** is sniffing around as well hooked five sad socialists with the same bait , any answer to the question I have asked you twice before Paul it is a nice simple question Yes or No will suffice will comrade Corbyn be our next Prime minister ? this is not a trick question not multi choice no phone a friend (not that it would apply to yourself), you could do 50-50 though come on man up support your man. Do you speak English or just insults? He's just an incredibly thick little Englander Capto. I reply to someone else and the idiot calls it a "bite" You could try asking him questions but don't hold your breath for any sort of reasoned answer. |
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 28, 2017 21:29:02 GMT
Do you speak English or just insults? He's just an incredibly thick little Englander Capto. I reply to someone else and the idiot calls it a "bite" You could try asking him questions but don't hold your breath for any sort of reasoned answer. It was a massive bite Paul and you know it I called you out and you duly obliged I hooked you again , now for the fourth time talking of questions , will comrade Corbyn be our next PM ?, like I said before this is not a trick question even for you, as a clue the answer is Yes or No, come on grow a pair, show some backbone not your arse Sir. |
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Post by liquidlen on Apr 28, 2017 21:30:45 GMT
It's free at the point of access. We could sustain the NHS, schools, prisons, welfare, space exploration etc etc without any problems whatsoever if the unpaid £70Billion pa that went offshore were collected. It's that simple. Yes I stated that it is free at the point of delivery. It's certainly not simple, and I doubt that it is sustainable unless we change the culture, both externally and internally. In theory many things are possible, but realistically undeliverable Sorry mate, but I totally disagree with you. As the 6th richest nation on planet earth free healthcare and free education should be a given and it's institution sacrosanct. If we are advocating the break-up of the NHS then this country, and the people who seem to think a free NHS is beyond us, definitely need a drastic rethink. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 28, 2017 21:46:01 GMT
He's just an incredibly thick little Englander Capto. I reply to someone else and the idiot calls it a "bite" You could try asking him questions but don't hold your breath for any sort of reasoned answer. It was a massive bite Paul and you know it I called you out and you duly obliged I hooked you again , now for the fourth time talking of questions , will comrade Corbyn be our next PM ?, like I said before this is not a trick question even for you, as a clue the answer is Yes or No, come on grow a pair, show some backbone not your arse Sir. To be honest, I think you need help or the playground. And I won't be responding to your asinine questions again. |
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 28, 2017 22:04:55 GMT
It was a massive bite Paul and you know it I called you out and you duly obliged I hooked you again , now for the fourth time talking of questions , will comrade Corbyn be our next PM ?, like I said before this is not a trick question even for you, as a clue the answer is Yes or No, come on grow a pair, show some backbone not your arse Sir. To be honest, I think you need help or the playground. And I won't be responding to your asinine questions again. You know more about playgrounds than most on here as an ex teacher Paul, I don't require help or benefits thanks , as for responding to questions asinine or not you have shown your arse on here tonight you are a coward who does not have the balls to back up your socialist rhetoric, grow a pair man will comrade Corbyn be our next PM ? off to bed with your copy of Mao's little red book for company. |
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Post by manmarking on Apr 28, 2017 22:16:03 GMT
Same old drivel for years It's not the amount of cash it's the management with in So if Conté was our manager, we'd automatically win the league? Horseshit as usual |
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, any answer to the question I have asked you twice before Paul it is a nice simple question Yes or No will suffice will comrade Corbyn be our next Prime minister ? this is not a trick question not multi choice no phone a friend (not that it would apply to yourself), you could do 50-50 though come on man up support your man.
