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Post by BackwardsSideways on Feb 27, 2017 21:39:02 GMT
What a brilliant thread, love seeing these old pics of the grounds. I know I'm not a Stoke fan but the old grounds had charm, character and history
Its why I hope we never leave The Hawthorns.
Great thread though guys I hope this is kept going and more of these fantastic historic pictures get posted up
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 27, 2017 21:40:52 GMT
This footage is absolutely brilliant, there is far more detail here than we've ever seen before but I wish hadn't found it, it raises more questions than answers! 
You can clearly see the covered Stoke End and the embankment hasn't been built yet and the Boothen End is covered as well but if that's the case, what is the picture below showing, which appears to show the embankment having been built and with a small cover at the back but with an unroofed Boothen End!
What am I missing here?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 27, 2017 21:52:15 GMT
This footage is absolutely brilliant, there is far more detail here than we've ever seen before but I wish hadn't found it, it raises more questions than answers!
You can clearly see the covered Stoke End and the embankment hasn't been built yet and the Boothen End is covered as well but if that's the case, what is the picture below showing, which appears to show the embankment having been built and with a small cover at the back but with an unroofed Boothen End!
What am I missing here?
What year is the footage from and when is the photo meant to have been from? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 21:53:57 GMT
That's a map from 1926
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 27, 2017 21:56:01 GMT
This footage is absolutely brilliant, there is far more detail here than we've ever seen before but I wish hadn't found it, it raises more questions than answers!
You can clearly see the covered Stoke End and the embankment hasn't been built yet and the Boothen End is covered as well but if that's the case, what is the picture below showing, which appears to show the embankment having been built and with a small cover at the back but with an unroofed Boothen End!
What am I missing here?
What year is the footage from and when is the photo meant to have been from?
The footage is from 1934 and the picture is credited as being from 1926 but at the end of the day the year's don't actually matter.
You can't have an uncovered Boothen End and a Stoke End embankment (photograph), whilst at the same time having a covered Boothen End and an unbuilt Stoke End embankment (video), it's an impossibility, regardless of what year's they are specifically from.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 27, 2017 21:57:24 GMT
I can see my old house in Fletcher road.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 22:01:15 GMT
This is from 1935ish after the roof was removed for the embankment  |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 27, 2017 22:06:07 GMT
This is from 1935ish after the roof was removed for the embankment
So what year must this be from because the embankment hadn't been built in the 1934 footage?
Also do you think the 1926 picture shows the embankment Burnside?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 22:08:31 GMT
the match is probably been played on the ground below |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 22:11:38 GMT
No, not on the 1926 map. not as i can make out Paul.
I have emailed the editor on BFTA asking to confirm the date the photo's were taken, not the published dates
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Post by Davef on Feb 27, 2017 22:12:17 GMT
the match is probably been played on the ground below I'd say that photo is pre-1934 because it looked to me as though the Boothen Stand roof ran the entire length of the pitch in the Chelsea footage. It's clearly been extended in the photo with the new terracing. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 22:17:08 GMT
The Photo dates do seem to be confusing thing's. Hence me emailing BFTA
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Post by Davef on Feb 27, 2017 22:21:54 GMT
The running track was removed in 1930 to build up the Boothen End embankment.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 27, 2017 22:25:06 GMT
the match is probably been played on the ground below I'd say that photo is pre-1934 because it looked to me as though the Boothen Stand roof ran the entire length of the pitch in the Chelsea footage. It's clearly been extended in the photo with the new terracing.
Yes unquestionably Dave. I think I'm confusing myself ... for me that picture above is showing the embankment, so there must be an embankment in the Chelsea footage after all.
Do you agree?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 27, 2017 22:29:08 GMT
The running track was removed in 1930 to build up the Boothen End embankment.
Ah great shout Dave, I can see the running track on the 1926 photograph now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 22:32:20 GMT
the match is probably been played on the ground below I'd say that photo is pre-1934 because it looked to me as though the Boothen Stand roof ran the entire length of the pitch in the Chelsea footage. It's clearly been extended in the photo with the new terracing. The 'slightly' later photo shows a extension to the boothern stand roof. Well it looks like it does, |
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Post by Davef on Feb 27, 2017 22:35:08 GMT
I'd say that photo is pre-1934 because it looked to me as though the Boothen Stand roof ran the entire length of the pitch in the Chelsea footage. It's clearly been extended in the photo with the new terracing.
Yes unquestionably Dave. I think I'm confusing myself ... for me that picture above is showing the embankment, so there must be an embankment in the Chelsea footage after all.
Do you agree?
Yes I think so. The roofs of the Stoke End are towards the Butler Street side and you can briefly see embankment on the Boothen Stand side. It's a bit confusing because the Stoke End roofs look close to the pitch, but that's just the camera angle. If you look at pictures Stoke fans took at West Ham this season the stand behind the goal at the other looked on top of the pitch, but of course the back row of the upper tier is probably 100 yards from the pitch! |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 27, 2017 22:43:39 GMT
Stoke v Chelsea was February 1934 and the roof was still over the Stoke End, however in this footage from 1934 it has gone, you would assume shot sometime between August and December.
So is it fair to assume that the roof was removed in the summer of 1934 close season?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 22:48:22 GMT
Yup and in it's last throws of life could have been a storage shed for the new building work..  |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 27, 2017 22:53:03 GMT
Excellent footage of the 1935 semi-final between West Brom and Bolton taken from the open embankment.
The Butler Street stand also seems to have been hugely developed from the pictures we've seen before but it doesn't yet extend up to the corners, I think it would be safe to assume that this had been developed in the summer of 1934 when the roof on the Stoke End was removed.
I'm sure I'd read that the last FA cup semi-final to be played at the Vic was in 1906, this is clearly not true.
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Post by ParaPsych on Feb 27, 2017 23:00:47 GMT
Looks to me like the Stoke End embankment was originally in the corner, with a stand at ground level starting about half way across the end, which was knocked down for an expanded embankment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 23:07:04 GMT
Excellent footage of the 1935 semi-final between West Brom and Bolton taken from the open embankment.
The Butler Street stand also seems to have been hugely developed from the pictures we've seen before but it doesn't yet extend up to the corners, I think it would be safe to assume that this had been developed in the summer of 1934 when the roof on the Stoke End was removed.
I'm sure I'd read that the last FA cup semi-final to be played at the Vic was in 1906, this is clearly not true.
Just over 49000 at the match  With over 51000 at the Arse game how on earth did they all fit in...... |
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Post by ParaPsych on Feb 27, 2017 23:10:17 GMT
Also some pure speculation that if the paddocks were dug out perhaps it was the waste material that was used to expand the Stoke end embankment? Or is the timing for that wrong?
No wait, Davef says that was used for the Boothen end?
Anyway there are definitely two different Stoke End embankments
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Post by Davef on Feb 27, 2017 23:11:09 GMT
Excellent footage of the 1935 semi-final between West Brom and Bolton taken from the open embankment.
The Butler Street stand also seems to have been hugely developed from the pictures we've seen before but it doesn't yet extend up to the corners, I think it would be safe to assume that this had been developed in the summer of 1934 when the roof on the Stoke End was removed.
I'm sure I'd read that the last FA cup semi-final to be played at the Vic was in 1906, this is clearly not true.
Just over 49000 at the match With over 51000 at the Arse game how on earth did they all fit in...... Its hard to imagine really. And you also have to bear in mind that the Stoke End terracing wasn't as big as it would eventually become. It couldn't have been a comfortable experience watching football in those days. It's surprising that there was only the one major disaster at Burnden Park due to crushing during that era. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 27, 2017 23:15:13 GMT
Excellent footage of the 1935 semi-final between West Brom and Bolton taken from the open embankment.
The Butler Street stand also seems to have been hugely developed from the pictures we've seen before but it doesn't yet extend up to the corners, I think it would be safe to assume that this had been developed in the summer of 1934 when the roof on the Stoke End was removed.
I'm sure I'd read that the last FA cup semi-final to be played at the Vic was in 1906, this is clearly not true.
Just over 49000 at the match With over 51000 at the Arse game how on earth did they all fit in......
Yes I thought exactly the same thing Burnside. It looks like they did a load of work on the ground in the summer of 1934 and were then immediately rewarded with a FA Cup semi-final the following season. It does look absolutely fantastic when it's so full.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 23:17:26 GMT
Any Idea why the Arse game attracted such a big crowd Dave?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 27, 2017 23:19:06 GMT
Looks to me like the Stoke End embankment was originally in the corner, with a stand at ground level starting about half way across the end, which was knocked down for an expanded embankment.
Oh yes I think you've cracked it PP!
This is why I was getting confused, I thought I could see an embankment on the Boothen side in the 1926 photograph but couldn't reconcile it with the other information we've seen.
Yes it totally makes sense, it was part embankment one side and ground level (ish) on the other.
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Post by Davef on Feb 27, 2017 23:26:18 GMT
Any Idea why the Arse game attracted such a big crowd Dave? Arsenal were the best team in the country by a mile. They won the league five times during the 30's and the game was always our biggest crowd of the season. I'd guess that a lot of people from outside Stoke (places like Congleton and Stafford) who ordinarily wouldn't have gone to home games made the effort to come and watch the games. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 2:19:09 GMT
1979 the new Stoke end stand well on it's way   1923 ^ |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 28, 2017 2:32:57 GMT
1979 the new Stoke end stand well on it's way 1923 ^
Picture 1: Finally an image that I actually remember!
Picture 2: Absolutely loving this ... it shows the Stoke End with no embankment whatsoever, even on the Boothen side. Which means (as ParaPsych suggested) that it happened in stages, originating on the Boothen side between 1923 (this picture) and 1926 (if I'm correct about it appearing in the 1926 picture that you posted) before being ultimately completed in the summer of 1934 when the full terrace and crash barriers were put in.
Great stuff! 
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With over 51000 at the Arse game how on earth did they all fit in......
