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Post by Mendicant on May 17, 2017 23:15:41 GMT
What difference does it make if he is a cunt? He's a democratically elected cunt. You sound like the Brexit police who think people should stop making the argument just because we lost the vote. I voted Remain but accept the outcome. Better to live in a functioning democracy than in the EU or under the government we prefer.
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Post by mtrstudent on May 18, 2017 1:39:55 GMT
[quote author=" Mendicant" source="/post/5550200/thread" timestamp="1494662082"How do you know what I'll say when I see evidence? [/quote] I don't know, but I've spoken with a bunch of conspiracy theorists through my job and every single one has gone the same way: every bit of evidence is just proof that the fraud goes deeper or it's ignored and they change the subject. It's lizard people all the way down. We have the report from the Connecticut state attorney general who checked police reports, autopsy reports etc. We have footage from the school afterwards, witness statements, parents going on the media, police reports, funerals etc. Exactly what we have with all of the other hundreds of shootings that happened in America recently. Do you think that other shootings happen, or are they all made up by Obama? If you accept that other shootings happen because of the same sources of evidence, what makes the Sandy Hook stuff different? You think the school was closed down years before the shooting: the parents disagree. Why do you think it was shut down? What evidence do you have?
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Post by Timmypotter on May 18, 2017 4:37:17 GMT
I must have missed this theory. Is this a genuine concern? No records of the dead people? The school was already closed? Genuine interest. There's a retired professor of Science from a University of Minnesota called Jim Fetzer who has researched it in a lot of detail. There's plenty on YouTube from him. On Sandy Hook and the Boston Bombing he seems reliable. On other conspiracy theories outside the US he's not as convincing. As a word of caution: he's questioned some aspects of the holocaust - which was a bit cavalier and out of order for something so serious. However on Sandy Hook he reveals it as a hoax. For him to be wrong he'd have to be bull shitting outright and fabricating evidence.Then there's Alex Jones supporting the hoax theory too. Comedy gold
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Post by Mendicant on May 18, 2017 5:18:49 GMT
There's a retired professor of Science from a University of Minnesota called Jim Fetzer who has researched it in a lot of detail. There's plenty on YouTube from him. On Sandy Hook and the Boston Bombing he seems reliable. On other conspiracy theories outside the US he's not as convincing. As a word of caution: he's questioned some aspects of the holocaust - which was a bit cavalier and out of order for something so serious. However on Sandy Hook he reveals it as a hoax. For him to be wrong he'd have to be bull shitting outright and fabricating evidence.Then there's Alex Jones supporting the hoax theory too. Comedy gold Why is that comedy gold?
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Post by Mendicant on May 18, 2017 5:44:23 GMT
[quote author=" Mendicant" source="/post/5550200/thread" timestamp="1494662082"How do you know what I'll say when I see evidence? I don't know, but I've spoken with a bunch of conspiracy theorists through my job and every single one has gone the same way: every bit of evidence is just proof that the fraud goes deeper or it's ignored and they change the subject. It's lizard people all the way down. We have the report from the Connecticut state attorney general who checked police reports, autopsy reports etc. We have footage from the school afterwards, witness statements, parents going on the media, police reports, funerals etc. Exactly what we have with all of the other hundreds of shootings that happened in America recently. Do you think that other shootings happen, or are they all made up by Obama? If you accept that other shootings happen because of the same sources of evidence, what makes the Sandy Hook stuff different? You think the school was closed down years before the shooting: the parents disagree. Why do you think it was shut down? What evidence do you have? [/quote]Lizard people? You're dealing in a cliché there duck, we're back at Elvis on the moon. I know you're not being rude about it but I could be equally dismissive about people who believe absolutely everything on mainstream news. Their first reaction to those with an alternative theory is often to ridicule them as daft as though suggesting a conspiracy theory is in itself stupid. What we need to understand is the truth in a world of special interests - that is all it is, and there is nothing stupid about that. Jim Fetzer researched Sandy Hook in detail, as did Alex Jones. In Fetzer's case he says there is no proof of the school being open after 2008, so he obviously looked for any kind of record of it being open. Surely it cannot be difficult to establish if a school is open if you look in detail at financial records and so on. For him to be wrong on that he'd have to be making it up. As for footage, one camera crew was photographed at the school the morning of the "shooting". I don't know what Obama's involvement or knowledge of it was.
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Post by bathstoke on May 18, 2017 5:45:42 GMT
The man is a cunt, it's as plain as the nose on your face, quite why anyone is bothering with these convoluted and nonsensical defences other than that they like an argument I have no idea. Folk seem to have lost all perspective
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Post by auntiegeorge on May 18, 2017 8:54:50 GMT
I'll add my tuppence worth here.
A lot of you seem to forget that ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN all represent the establishment in America. They gave Obama a free pass for eight years, despite some of the appalling things he did. They are now united to bring down Trump who as an outsider has challenged the establishment. Every day I visit the New York Times website and the vitriol from their so called professional journalists is disgusting. No president has ever been treated in such a manner. The Washington Post, the Boston Globe, and the San Francisco Chronicle are just the same.
So beware what the media feeds you. They have an agenda and are no longer reporting the news in an objective way.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on May 18, 2017 8:59:44 GMT
The man is a cunt, it's as plain as the nose on your face, quite why anyone is bothering with thede convoluted and nonsensical defences other than that they like an argument I have no idea. What difference does it make if he is a cunt? He's a democratically elected cunt. That says so much about the USA, and you for that matter.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on May 18, 2017 9:06:34 GMT
I'll add my tuppence worth here. A lot of you seem to forget that ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN all represent the establishment in America. They gave Obama a free pass for eight years, despite some of the appalling things he did. They are now united to bring down Trump who as an outsider has challenged the establishment. Every day I visit the New York Times website and the vitriol from their so called professional journalists is disgusting. No president has ever been treated in such a manner. The Washington Post, the Boston Globe, and the San Francisco Chronicle are just the same. So beware what the media feeds you. They have an agenda and are no longer reporting the news in an objective way. I agree that there is a witch hunt in the media, but Trump chose to live by the sword... As for the anti-establishment angle, of Trump's appeal, I agree he is anti-establishment, but that in itself is not always a good thing, and I do not believe Trump's version of it is in any way benevolent, it's purely self serving.
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Post by auntiegeorge on May 18, 2017 11:37:04 GMT
Interesting comment Richie, interesting. Despite being supportive of DJT during the campaign I am very disappointed in the way he has handled things and behaved in his first 4 months in office. But I stand by my comment that the media gave Obama a free ride for 8 years, yet is now hell bent on destroying the democratically elected 45th president. That, I find sickening.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on May 18, 2017 11:57:27 GMT
Interesting comment Richie, interesting. Despite being supportive of DJT during the campaign I am very disappointed in the way he has handled things and behaved in his first 4 months in office. But I stand by my comment that the media gave Obama a free ride for 8 years, yet is now hell bent on destroying the democratically elected 45th president. That, I find sickening. In today's climate, it certainly appears that Obama had a very easy time off the press. My interest in US politics has only been piqued since Trump's appearance on the scene, so I'm a bit in the dark about the rights and wrongs of Obama, except that he royally pissed me off about his Brexit comments and his insistence on calling BP, "British Petroleum" as a way of taking heat away from the US areas of culpability. My general distaste for all things Hilary actually had me supporting Trump in the early part of the campaign, but it became very clear that the guy was a wrong'un when more and more details came out about his business life as well as his personal life. Trump pretty much declared war on the journalists, so I have no sympathy. In other news, here's a meme based on his actual words from a speech yesterday. If he stopped coming out with so much shit, and stopped being such a hypocrite, then perhaps he would get an easier ride. Attachment Deleted
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 18, 2017 13:22:45 GMT
Interesting comment Richie, interesting. Despite being supportive of DJT during the campaign I am very disappointed in the way he has handled things and behaved in his first 4 months in office. But I stand by my comment that the media gave Obama a free ride for 8 years, yet is now hell bent on destroying the democratically elected 45th president. That, I find sickening. Obama wasn't given a free ride (he still would've had Fox et al on his back), but certainly an easier ride. But then again, he was better at the job than Trump. He also won a lot more votes. Trump is being given a harder time than Obama for the same reason Stoke fans gave David Oldfield a harder time than Peter Thorne - because he was undeniably shitter at his job.
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Post by bathstoke on May 18, 2017 15:40:08 GMT
Interesting comment Richie, interesting. Despite being supportive of DJT during the campaign I am very disappointed in the way he has handled things and behaved in his first 4 months in office. But I stand by my comment that the media gave Obama a free ride for 8 years, yet is now hell bent on destroying the democratically elected 45th president. That, I find sickening. Hold on there bald eagle, he split the country with his campaign & he didn't even get the majority of votes...
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 18, 2017 16:13:07 GMT
Aye up. Car mows down pedestrians in Times Square.
Don't tell me. It was Trump's mob deflecting the media from Russia and blaming Muzzie Fundo's.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 18, 2017 16:48:03 GMT
Aye up. Car mows down pedestrians in Times Square. Don't tell me. It was Trump's mob deflecting the media from Russia and blaming Muzzie Fundo's. It doesn't "appear to be terror-related" according to the police. Don't tell me. It is a police conspiracy to cover up the bad actions of a terrorist
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 18, 2017 17:09:13 GMT
Aye up. Car mows down pedestrians in Times Square. Don't tell me. It was Trump's mob deflecting the media from Russia and blaming Muzzie Fundo's. It doesn't "appear to be terror-related" according to the police. Don't tell me. It is a police conspiracy to cover up the bad actions of a terrorist Drives the wrong way up Broadway !! Have you ever driven around NYC ? Kills one and injures 20, so far. "Known" DUI enthusiast. Nothing to see here. Move along.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on May 18, 2017 17:25:53 GMT
Drives the wrong way up Broadway !! Have you ever driven around NYC ? Kills one and injures 20, so far. "Known" DUI enthusiast. Nothing to see here. Move along. 2 previous convictions for drunk driving and police are now saying that's what it was. Well done for jumping in with 2 feet and making presumptions though rog no let's presume it's just fake news covering up and he wasn't really a drunk twat based on your evidence (and by that i mean absolutely nothing other than you desperately digging yourself out of a hole)
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 18, 2017 18:49:24 GMT
Drives the wrong way up Broadway !! Have you ever driven around NYC ? Kills one and injures 20, so far. "Known" DUI enthusiast. Nothing to see here. Move along. 2 previous convictions for drunk driving and police are now saying that's what it was. Well done for jumping in with 2 feet and making presumptions though rog no let's presume it's just fake news covering up and he wasn't really a drunk twat based on your evidence (and by that i mean absolutely nothing other than you desperately digging yourself out of a hole) Phew, thank God it's only a drunk driver. Loads of cops for a DUI
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Post by manmarking on May 18, 2017 18:53:46 GMT
Drives the wrong way up Broadway !! Have you ever driven around NYC ? Kills one and injures 20, so far. "Known" DUI enthusiast. Nothing to see here. Move along. 2 previous convictions for drunk driving and police are now saying that's what it was. Well done for jumping in with 2 feet and making presumptions though rog no let's presume it's just fake news covering up and he wasn't really a drunk twat based on your evidence (and by that i mean absolutely nothing other than you desperately digging yourself out of a hole) Rogerjonesisnotverybright mate This is the umpteenth time recently he's 'called' violent incidents prematurely because of his own prejudices. He needs a good old mickmills waterboarding
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Post by mickmillslovechild on May 18, 2017 20:00:28 GMT
2 previous convictions for drunk driving and police are now saying that's what it was. Well done for jumping in with 2 feet and making presumptions though rog no let's presume it's just fake news covering up and he wasn't really a drunk twat based on your evidence (and by that i mean absolutely nothing other than you desperately digging yourself out of a hole) Phew, thank God it's only a drunk driver. Loads of cops for a DUI Course there is cos at the time it was reasonable to assume it may be a terror related incident. Not knocking the fact you presumed it (it was my immediate thought when i heard as well), but maybe this shows how prudent it is to wait until a few more facts are known before jumping straight in and publicly criticising sections of society?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on May 18, 2017 20:01:38 GMT
2 previous convictions for drunk driving and police are now saying that's what it was. Well done for jumping in with 2 feet and making presumptions though rog no let's presume it's just fake news covering up and he wasn't really a drunk twat based on your evidence (and by that i mean absolutely nothing other than you desperately digging yourself out of a hole) Rogerjonesisnotverybright mate This is the umpteenth time recently he's 'called' violent incidents prematurely because of his own prejudices. He needs a good old mickmills waterboarding That's put images in my head that even i'm sickened by!
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 18, 2017 20:10:10 GMT
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Post by auntiegeorge on May 18, 2017 20:50:45 GMT
Interesting comment Richie, interesting. Despite being supportive of DJT during the campaign I am very disappointed in the way he has handled things and behaved in his first 4 months in office. But I stand by my comment that the media gave Obama a free ride for 8 years, yet is now hell bent on destroying the democratically elected 45th president. That, I find sickening. Hold on there bald eagle, he split the country with his campaign & he didn't even get the majority of votes... That's a moot point, Mr Bath. I hear this all the time. He won the election by the same means as every other president in history. You don't have to get the majority of popular votes - it's a majority of the electoral college votes. Other presidents have won by not getting the popular vote. You can hardly blame Trump for that.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 18, 2017 20:51:49 GMT
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 18, 2017 21:57:20 GMT
That would be really funny, just a shame they got the names on the boxes the wrong way round. Schoolboy error.
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Post by heyzeus on May 18, 2017 22:17:34 GMT
Fucking hell, friend We lose Chris Cornell today, yet we still have you.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 18, 2017 22:17:40 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 18, 2017 22:22:20 GMT
That would be really funny, just a shame they got the names on the boxes the wrong way round. Schoolboy error. A hand written note. By Comey, to Comey appears after he get's fired. So he thought it important enough to write himself a note but not in the official FBI meeting notes and obviously not important enough to do anything about at the time. The Washington Post has "seen" the note but not the FBI, Congress, The Senate or any Judge. Righto.
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Post by Mendicant on May 19, 2017 1:48:53 GMT
What difference does it make if he is a cunt? He's a democratically elected cunt. That says so much about the USA, and you for that matter. Nice
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Post by mtrstudent on May 19, 2017 5:11:52 GMT
I know you're not being rude about it but I could be equally dismissive about people who believe absolutely everything on mainstream news. Their first reaction to those with an alternative theory is often to ridicule them as daft as though suggesting a conspiracy theory is in itself stupid. What we need to understand is the truth in a world of special interests - that is all it is, and there is nothing stupid about that. Jim Fetzer researched Sandy Hook in detail, as did Alex Jones. In Fetzer's case he says there is no proof of the school being open after 2008, so he obviously looked for any kind of record of it being open. Surely it cannot be difficult to establish if a school is open if you look in detail at financial records and so on. For him to be wrong on that he'd have to be making it up. As for footage, one camera crew was photographed at the school the morning of the "shooting". I don't know what Obama's involvement or knowledge of it was. Obviously the mainstream news gets things wrong sometimes, but they also have get lots of facts right while Alex Jones' show is a stream of verbal diarrhea from a nutjob attention whore whose flaming stream of diahrrea-like bullshit led to a sad vulnerable person shooting up a pizza place. There's no comparison. While the delusionists say the school was closed, it was given money in the town budget, the school web page was archived, the local newspaper has a bunch of stories including the visit of this children's author, a learning charity thanked the school for its help and another charity has photos of their visit to the school on the charity's facebook page. So as well as the parents we have independent charities, the school budget, local journalists, Facebook photos from 2011 and 2012 and visiting authors who all say the school was open. Do you still believe the conspiracy theorists when they say it was closed?
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