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Post by Mendicant on May 16, 2017 22:51:26 GMT
Where do you get the news from? A variety of sources. PBS, AP, Local station, BBC, internet. I'll even read news "entertainment" sites like infowars and TMZ for shits and giggles, but there's a difference between watching professional wrestling and believing it's real. Infowars is a serious news platform. Alex Jones will rant to grab attention before he advertises his supplements, a classic shock-jock tactic, but once he's calmed down he gives well-informed insight you won't get on the BBC, and there's less trivia on there than BBC news. His only big mistake, as I see it, was Pizzagate for which he gave his staff too much freedom to report over. Try No Agenda if Infowars doesn't float your boat. |
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Post by thedeadlyshart on May 16, 2017 22:55:53 GMT
A variety of sources. PBS, AP, Local station, BBC, internet. I'll even read news "entertainment" sites like infowars and TMZ for shits and giggles, but there's a difference between watching professional wrestling and believing it's real. Infowars is a serious news platform. Alex Jones will rant to grab attention before he advertises his supplements, a classic shock-jock tactic, but once he's calmed down he gives well-informed insight you won't get on the BBC, and there's less trivia on there than BBC news. His only big mistake, as I see it, was Pizzagate for which he gave his staff too much freedom to report over. Try No Agenda if Infowars doesn't float your boat. He's a snake oil salesman, lying like a preacher. |
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Post by Mendicant on May 16, 2017 23:23:02 GMT
Infowars is a serious news platform. Alex Jones will rant to grab attention before he advertises his supplements, a classic shock-jock tactic, but once he's calmed down he gives well-informed insight you won't get on the BBC, and there's less trivia on there than BBC news. His only big mistake, as I see it, was Pizzagate for which he gave his staff too much freedom to report over. Try No Agenda if Infowars doesn't float your boat. He's a snake oil salesman, lying like a preacher. He probably does sell snake oil, literally, or at least a powder. I wouldn't dismiss in those terms though - he isn't fake if you'll allow his dramatic rants, and certainly not a liar as I see it. Anyway how can he be bad when he supports Trump? |
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Post by chigstoke on May 17, 2017 9:02:26 GMT
Infowars is a joke, and the idiots who believe it are the punchline. I fucking love Alex Jones, even for stuff like this  - |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 17, 2017 12:17:19 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on May 17, 2017 12:24:20 GMT
keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
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Post by lordb on May 17, 2017 12:36:07 GMT
Impeachment or assassination?
resignation (can't see that one)
or will he see out his four years?
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Post by Mendicant on May 17, 2017 12:39:08 GMT
Your reply is a common response from someone disagreeing with a conspiracy theory: to associate that theory with some crackpot theories. It's a false equivalence. Any theory in any subject domain requires evidence. There's evidence to support the hoax theory for Sandy Hook: no record of the victims in social security records, the school closed 4 years before the massacre, paramedics were not given access to the school, photographs of a staged evacuation, victims not named in local media nor appearing in FBI crime statistics. It was a staged drill presented as a real life event. You forgot to mention Elvis riding Shergar on the moon. I must have missed this theory. Is this a genuine concern? No records of the dead people? The school was already closed? Genuine interest. There's a retired professor of Science from a University of Minnesota called Jim Fetzer who has researched it in a lot of detail. There's plenty on YouTube from him. On Sandy Hook and the Boston Bombing he seems reliable. On other conspiracy theories outside the US he's not as convincing. As a word of caution: he's questioned some aspects of the holocaust - which was a bit cavalier and out of order for something so serious. However on Sandy Hook he reveals it as a hoax. For him to be wrong he'd have to be bull shitting outright and fabricating evidence. Then there's Alex Jones supporting the hoax theory too. |
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Post by Gods on May 17, 2017 12:42:34 GMT
The Washington Post reckons things may be starting to unravel. Trump’s presidency is beginning to unravelI hope so, best case he seems like a real nasty and uncaring piece of work, worst case he is a dangerous loon. Could do with this clown gone 'quick-smart' as they say state side. |
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Post by chuffedstokie on May 17, 2017 13:27:42 GMT
The Washington Post reckons things may be starting to unravel. Trump’s presidency is beginning to unravelI hope so, best case he seems like a real nasty and uncaring piece of work, worst case he is a dangerous loon. Could do with this clown gone 'quick-smart' as they say state side. Just caught latest lunchtime news. Not looking particularly rosy for him at best. |
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Post by bathstoke on May 17, 2017 16:23:05 GMT
Impeachment or assassination? resignation (can't see that one) or will he see out his four years? The Snowflakes just been on telly, saying "No president has been treated as harshly as him!" Think Lincoln & Kennedy might have something to say on that |
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on May 17, 2017 20:27:43 GMT
I must have missed this theory. Is this a genuine concern? No records of the dead people? The school was already closed? Genuine interest. There's a retired professor of Science from a University of Minnesota called Jim Fetzer who has researched it in a lot of detail. There's plenty on YouTube from him. On Sandy Hook and the Boston Bombing he seems reliable. On other conspiracy theories outside the US he's not as convincing. As a word of caution: he's questioned some aspects of the holocaust - which was a bit cavalier and out of order for something so serious. However on Sandy Hook he reveals it as a hoax. For him to be wrong he'd have to be bull shitting outright and fabricating evidence. Then there's Alex Jones supporting the hoax theory too. "He's a professor of Science"? A professor of science? There is such a thing? What's he do, split an atom one week and cure cancer another week? Clever guy! |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 17, 2017 20:46:34 GMT
I must have missed this theory. Is this a genuine concern? No records of the dead people? The school was already closed? Genuine interest. There's a retired professor of Science from a University of Minnesota called Jim Fetzer who has researched it in a lot of detail. There's plenty on YouTube from him. On Sandy Hook and the Boston Bombing he seems reliable. On other conspiracy theories outside the US he's not as convincing. As a word of caution: he's questioned some aspects of the holocaust - which was a bit cavalier and out of order for something so serious. However on Sandy Hook he reveals it as a hoax. For him to be wrong he'd have to be bull shitting outright and fabricating evidence. Then there's Alex Jones supporting the hoax theory too. I always thought "a bit cavalier" would be something like turning up to your mother-in-law's house and asking her what is her favourite dildo. |
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Post by Mendicant on May 17, 2017 21:27:46 GMT
There's a retired professor of Science from a University of Minnesota called Jim Fetzer who has researched it in a lot of detail. There's plenty on YouTube from him. On Sandy Hook and the Boston Bombing he seems reliable. On other conspiracy theories outside the US he's not as convincing. As a word of caution: he's questioned some aspects of the holocaust - which was a bit cavalier and out of order for something so serious. However on Sandy Hook he reveals it as a hoax. For him to be wrong he'd have to be bull shitting outright and fabricating evidence. Then there's Alex Jones supporting the hoax theory too. "He's a professor of Science"? A professor of science? There is such a thing? What's he do, split an atom one week and cure cancer another week? Clever guy! Yes that's it ah. EDIT: I've checked his full title, it's Professor Emeritus of the philosophy of science at the University of Minnesota Duluth. The 2012 Nobel prize winner in Chemistry graduated from there. So yes like you imply, all very Mickey Mouse. |
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Post by Mendicant on May 17, 2017 21:29:43 GMT
There's a retired professor of Science from a University of Minnesota called Jim Fetzer who has researched it in a lot of detail. There's plenty on YouTube from him. On Sandy Hook and the Boston Bombing he seems reliable. On other conspiracy theories outside the US he's not as convincing. As a word of caution: he's questioned some aspects of the holocaust - which was a bit cavalier and out of order for something so serious. However on Sandy Hook he reveals it as a hoax. For him to be wrong he'd have to be bull shitting outright and fabricating evidence. Then there's Alex Jones supporting the hoax theory too. I always thought "a bit cavalier" would be something like turning up to your mother-in-law's house and asking her what is her favourite dildo. A bit cavalier is if she replies "you". |
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Post by Gods on May 17, 2017 22:00:20 GMT
The man is a cunt, it's as plain as the nose on your face, quite why anyone is bothering with these convoluted and nonsensical defences other than that they like an argument I have no idea.
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Post by Mendicant on May 17, 2017 22:03:51 GMT
The man is a cunt, it's as plain as the nose on your face, quite why anyone is bothering with thede convoluted and nonsensical defences other than that they like an argument I have no idea. What difference does it make if he is a cunt? He's a democratically elected cunt. |
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Post by Gods on May 17, 2017 23:08:40 GMT
The man is a cunt, it's as plain as the nose on your face, quite why anyone is bothering with thede convoluted and nonsensical defences other than that they like an argument I have no idea. What difference does it make if he is a cunt? He's a democratically elected cunt. You sound like the Brexit police who think people should stop making the argument just because we lost the vote. |
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Post by Mendicant on May 17, 2017 23:15:41 GMT
What difference does it make if he is a cunt? He's a democratically elected cunt. You sound like the Brexit police who think people should stop making the argument just because we lost the vote. I voted Remain but accept the outcome. Better to live in a functioning democracy than in the EU or under the government we prefer. |
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Post by mtrstudent on May 18, 2017 1:39:55 GMT
[quote author=" Mendicant" source="/post/5550200/thread" timestamp="1494662082"How do you know what I'll say when I see evidence? [/quote] I don't know, but I've spoken with a bunch of conspiracy theorists through my job and every single one has gone the same way: every bit of evidence is just proof that the fraud goes deeper or it's ignored and they change the subject. It's lizard people all the way down. We have the report from the Connecticut state attorney general who checked police reports, autopsy reports etc. We have footage from the school afterwards, witness statements, parents going on the media, police reports, funerals etc. Exactly what we have with all of the other hundreds of shootings that happened in America recently. Do you think that other shootings happen, or are they all made up by Obama? If you accept that other shootings happen because of the same sources of evidence, what makes the Sandy Hook stuff different? You think the school was closed down years before the shooting: the parents disagree. Why do you think it was shut down? What evidence do you have? |
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Post by Timmypotter on May 18, 2017 4:37:17 GMT
I must have missed this theory. Is this a genuine concern? No records of the dead people? The school was already closed? Genuine interest. There's a retired professor of Science from a University of Minnesota called Jim Fetzer who has researched it in a lot of detail. There's plenty on YouTube from him. On Sandy Hook and the Boston Bombing he seems reliable. On other conspiracy theories outside the US he's not as convincing. As a word of caution: he's questioned some aspects of the holocaust - which was a bit cavalier and out of order for something so serious. However on Sandy Hook he reveals it as a hoax. For him to be wrong he'd have to be bull shitting outright and fabricating evidence.Then there's Alex Jones supporting the hoax theory too. Comedy gold |
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Post by Mendicant on May 18, 2017 5:18:49 GMT
There's a retired professor of Science from a University of Minnesota called Jim Fetzer who has researched it in a lot of detail. There's plenty on YouTube from him. On Sandy Hook and the Boston Bombing he seems reliable. On other conspiracy theories outside the US he's not as convincing. As a word of caution: he's questioned some aspects of the holocaust - which was a bit cavalier and out of order for something so serious. However on Sandy Hook he reveals it as a hoax. For him to be wrong he'd have to be bull shitting outright and fabricating evidence.Then there's Alex Jones supporting the hoax theory too. Comedy gold Why is that comedy gold? |
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Post by Mendicant on May 18, 2017 5:44:23 GMT
[quote author=" Mendicant" source="/post/5550200/thread" timestamp="1494662082"How do you know what I'll say when I see evidence? I don't know, but I've spoken with a bunch of conspiracy theorists through my job and every single one has gone the same way: every bit of evidence is just proof that the fraud goes deeper or it's ignored and they change the subject. It's lizard people all the way down. We have the report from the Connecticut state attorney general who checked police reports, autopsy reports etc. We have footage from the school afterwards, witness statements, parents going on the media, police reports, funerals etc. Exactly what we have with all of the other hundreds of shootings that happened in America recently. Do you think that other shootings happen, or are they all made up by Obama? If you accept that other shootings happen because of the same sources of evidence, what makes the Sandy Hook stuff different? You think the school was closed down years before the shooting: the parents disagree. Why do you think it was shut down? What evidence do you have? [/quote]Lizard people? You're dealing in a cliché there duck, we're back at Elvis on the moon. I know you're not being rude about it but I could be equally dismissive about people who believe absolutely everything on mainstream news. Their first reaction to those with an alternative theory is often to ridicule them as daft as though suggesting a conspiracy theory is in itself stupid. What we need to understand is the truth in a world of special interests - that is all it is, and there is nothing stupid about that. Jim Fetzer researched Sandy Hook in detail, as did Alex Jones. In Fetzer's case he says there is no proof of the school being open after 2008, so he obviously looked for any kind of record of it being open. Surely it cannot be difficult to establish if a school is open if you look in detail at financial records and so on. For him to be wrong on that he'd have to be making it up. As for footage, one camera crew was photographed at the school the morning of the "shooting". I don't know what Obama's involvement or knowledge of it was. |
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Post by bathstoke on May 18, 2017 5:45:42 GMT
The man is a cunt, it's as plain as the nose on your face, quite why anyone is bothering with these convoluted and nonsensical defences other than that they like an argument I have no idea. Folk seem to have lost all perspective |
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Post by auntiegeorge on May 18, 2017 8:54:50 GMT
I'll add my tuppence worth here.
A lot of you seem to forget that ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN all represent the establishment in America. They gave Obama a free pass for eight years, despite some of the appalling things he did. They are now united to bring down Trump who as an outsider has challenged the establishment. Every day I visit the New York Times website and the vitriol from their so called professional journalists is disgusting. No president has ever been treated in such a manner. The Washington Post, the Boston Globe, and the San Francisco Chronicle are just the same.
So beware what the media feeds you. They have an agenda and are no longer reporting the news in an objective way.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on May 18, 2017 8:59:44 GMT
The man is a cunt, it's as plain as the nose on your face, quite why anyone is bothering with thede convoluted and nonsensical defences other than that they like an argument I have no idea. What difference does it make if he is a cunt? He's a democratically elected cunt. That says so much about the USA, and you for that matter. |
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on May 18, 2017 9:06:34 GMT
I'll add my tuppence worth here. A lot of you seem to forget that ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN all represent the establishment in America. They gave Obama a free pass for eight years, despite some of the appalling things he did. They are now united to bring down Trump who as an outsider has challenged the establishment. Every day I visit the New York Times website and the vitriol from their so called professional journalists is disgusting. No president has ever been treated in such a manner. The Washington Post, the Boston Globe, and the San Francisco Chronicle are just the same. So beware what the media feeds you. They have an agenda and are no longer reporting the news in an objective way. I agree that there is a witch hunt in the media, but Trump chose to live by the sword... As for the anti-establishment angle, of Trump's appeal, I agree he is anti-establishment, but that in itself is not always a good thing, and I do not believe Trump's version of it is in any way benevolent, it's purely self serving. |
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Post by auntiegeorge on May 18, 2017 11:37:04 GMT
Interesting comment Richie, interesting. Despite being supportive of DJT during the campaign I am very disappointed in the way he has handled things and behaved in his first 4 months in office. But I stand by my comment that the media gave Obama a free ride for 8 years, yet is now hell bent on destroying the democratically elected 45th president. That, I find sickening.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on May 18, 2017 11:57:27 GMT
Interesting comment Richie, interesting. Despite being supportive of DJT during the campaign I am very disappointed in the way he has handled things and behaved in his first 4 months in office. But I stand by my comment that the media gave Obama a free ride for 8 years, yet is now hell bent on destroying the democratically elected 45th president. That, I find sickening. In today's climate, it certainly appears that Obama had a very easy time off the press. My interest in US politics has only been piqued since Trump's appearance on the scene, so I'm a bit in the dark about the rights and wrongs of Obama, except that he royally pissed me off about his Brexit comments and his insistence on calling BP, "British Petroleum" as a way of taking heat away from the US areas of culpability. My general distaste for all things Hilary actually had me supporting Trump in the early part of the campaign, but it became very clear that the guy was a wrong'un when more and more details came out about his business life as well as his personal life. Trump pretty much declared war on the journalists, so I have no sympathy. In other news, here's a meme based on his actual words from a speech yesterday. If he stopped coming out with so much shit, and stopped being such a hypocrite, then perhaps he would get an easier ride. Attachment Deleted |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 18, 2017 13:22:45 GMT
Interesting comment Richie, interesting. Despite being supportive of DJT during the campaign I am very disappointed in the way he has handled things and behaved in his first 4 months in office. But I stand by my comment that the media gave Obama a free ride for 8 years, yet is now hell bent on destroying the democratically elected 45th president. That, I find sickening. Obama wasn't given a free ride (he still would've had Fox et al on his back), but certainly an easier ride. But then again, he was better at the job than Trump. He also won a lot more votes. Trump is being given a harder time than Obama for the same reason Stoke fans gave David Oldfield a harder time than Peter Thorne - because he was undeniably shitter at his job. |
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