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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2022 3:01:30 GMT
What is it that DeSantis will do that’s getting you so excited? I hear your ‘War on Woke’ sloganeering, but what does that actually mean? (The second question was rhetorical) Perhaps he has exciting plans for healthcare? Abortion? Firearms? Is the USA not sufficiently right-leaning as it is? There isn’t much of a ‘left’ as we understand it, at least not with much influence in mainstream politics outside of California. On a scale of ‘Bolsanaro’ to ‘1930s Germany’, how much further to the right would you say the US needs to move? Christ mate, why do you ask so many questions? I mean, I'm kind of flattered that you hold my opinion in such high regard....perhaps even more so than the notoriously tedious redwhitenblue who even chases me for responses in the early hours. There you go mate, knock yourself out with the below link. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_DeSantis#:~:text=During%20the%20COVID%2D19%20pandemic,from%20requiring%20proof%20of%20vaccination. I don't see how you can say the US is "right leaning". Its so divided and vast ranging politically from left leaning areas like Cali and Vermont to areas in the deep South like South Carolina and parts of Georgia. Your immediate association of right wing politics to Nazi Germany are the kind of lazy comparisons a 12 year old would make or indeed certain posters referenced above. Come on mate, you're more reasoned than that surely. Enjoy reading the Political Positions of Ron DeSantis. I'll pre-order you his new book for Christmas if you like 😉 DeSantis is just like the rest of them. I don’t know why people get so excited by any one politician, with a few exceptions. See his comments on disaster aid in that link you sent. Doesn’t support the idea of federal funding to support other States, but will happily ignore that when it comes to Florida. Unless Republicans win both Chambers, which seems unlikely, he’ll get little of what he says he’ll do done. After two years, he’ll then abandon his duty as President and go on the campaign trail again. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 21, 2022 4:37:00 GMT
Christ mate, why do you ask so many questions? I mean, I'm kind of flattered that you hold my opinion in such high regard....perhaps even more so than the notoriously tedious redwhitenblue who even chases me for responses in the early hours. There you go mate, knock yourself out with the below link. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_DeSantis#:~:text=During%20the%20COVID%2D19%20pandemic,from%20requiring%20proof%20of%20vaccination. I don't see how you can say the US is "right leaning". Its so divided and vast ranging politically from left leaning areas like Cali and Vermont to areas in the deep South like South Carolina and parts of Georgia. Your immediate association of right wing politics to Nazi Germany are the kind of lazy comparisons a 12 year old would make or indeed certain posters referenced above. Come on mate, you're more reasoned than that surely. Enjoy reading the Political Positions of Ron DeSantis. I'll pre-order you his new book for Christmas if you like 😉 DeSantis is just like the rest of them. I don’t know why people get so excited by any one politician, with a few exceptions. See his comments on disaster aid in that link you sent. Doesn’t support the idea of federal funding to support other States, but will happily ignore that when it comes to Florida. Unless Republicans win both Chambers, which seems unlikely, he’ll get little of what he says he’ll do done. After two years, he’ll then abandon his duty as President and go on the campaign trail again. And remember “don’t say gay”. The massive homophobic twat. |
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Post by dexter97 on Dec 21, 2022 9:01:06 GMT
What is it that DeSantis will do that’s getting you so excited? I hear your ‘War on Woke’ sloganeering, but what does that actually mean? (The second question was rhetorical) Perhaps he has exciting plans for healthcare? Abortion? Firearms? Is the USA not sufficiently right-leaning as it is? There isn’t much of a ‘left’ as we understand it, at least not with much influence in mainstream politics outside of California. On a scale of ‘Bolsanaro’ to ‘1930s Germany’, how much further to the right would you say the US needs to move? Christ mate, why do you ask so many questions? I mean, I'm kind of flattered that you hold my opinion in such high regard....perhaps even more so than the notoriously tedious redwhitenblue who even chases me for responses in the early hours. There you go mate, knock yourself out with the below link. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_DeSantis#:~:text=During%20the%20COVID%2D19%20pandemic,from%20requiring%20proof%20of%20vaccination. I don't see how you can say the US is "right leaning". Its so divided and vast ranging politically from left leaning areas like Cali and Vermont to areas in the deep South like South Carolina and parts of Georgia. Your immediate association of right wing politics to Nazi Germany are the kind of lazy comparisons a 12 year old would make or indeed certain posters referenced above. Come on mate, you're more reasoned than that surely. Enjoy reading the Political Positions of Ron DeSantis. I'll pre-order you his new book for Christmas if you like 😉 Questions are good; rigorous examination of one’s own and others’ opinions is to be encouraged. It frustrates debate when people don’t actually answer them, but it won’t deter me from asking. Thanks for the Wiki link – Nothing astonishing there, but I live in hope that Ron might one day surprise me. There’s no doubt that there’s been a divergence and increased polarisation in people’s political views worldwide, and the Democrats have moved (just about) to the left of the centre line for the first time in yonks, but the US’s ideological centre of gravity remains to the right, particularly when compared to the European position. Low taxation, economic liberalism and small government are in their DNA. Also, have a look at The Manifesto Project’s analysis, which places the Republicans some distance to the right of parties like the Conservatives and CDU, occupying a position midway between UKIP & AfD. I’m sorry you regard the use of Nazi Germany as an exemplar for far-right government to be infantile. Who would you have picked instead? Spain? Italy? Israel? (Sorry – more questions) |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 21, 2022 9:10:06 GMT
Christ mate, why do you ask so many questions? I mean, I'm kind of flattered that you hold my opinion in such high regard....perhaps even more so than the notoriously tedious redwhitenblue who even chases me for responses in the early hours. There you go mate, knock yourself out with the below link. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_DeSantis#:~:text=During%20the%20COVID%2D19%20pandemic,from%20requiring%20proof%20of%20vaccination. I don't see how you can say the US is "right leaning". Its so divided and vast ranging politically from left leaning areas like Cali and Vermont to areas in the deep South like South Carolina and parts of Georgia. Your immediate association of right wing politics to Nazi Germany are the kind of lazy comparisons a 12 year old would make or indeed certain posters referenced above. Come on mate, you're more reasoned than that surely. Enjoy reading the Political Positions of Ron DeSantis. I'll pre-order you his new book for Christmas if you like 😉 DeSantis is just like the rest of them. I don’t know why people get so excited by any one politician, with a few exceptions. See his comments on disaster aid in that link you sent. Doesn’t support the idea of federal funding to support other States, but will happily ignore that when it comes to Florida. Unless Republicans win both Chambers, which seems unlikely, he’ll get little of what he says he’ll do done. After two years, he’ll then abandon his duty as President and go on the campaign trail again. The part of his Wikipedia page on disaster relief is quite comical reading to be fair: "In January 2013, after DeSantis had just been sworn into the House of Representatives, he voted against providing federal disaster relief for Hurricane Sandy to the impacted states of New York and New Jersey. DeSantis stated his rationale as being that increasing federal "debt by another $9.7 billion with no plan to offset the spending with cuts elsewhere is not fiscally responsible", criticizing a "put it on the credit card mentality".[35][36] In September 2022, as governor of Florida, DeSantis requested for federal disaster relief for Florida due to the impact of Hurricane Ian, arguing that in spite of living "in a very politicized time ... when people are fighting for their lives, when their whole livelihood is at stake, when they've lost everything — if you can't put politics aside for that, then you're just not going to be able to."" |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 21, 2022 10:57:24 GMT
Christ mate, why do you ask so many questions? I mean, I'm kind of flattered that you hold my opinion in such high regard....perhaps even more so than the notoriously tedious redwhitenblue who even chases me for responses in the early hours. There you go mate, knock yourself out with the below link. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_DeSantis#:~:text=During%20the%20COVID%2D19%20pandemic,from%20requiring%20proof%20of%20vaccination. I don't see how you can say the US is "right leaning". Its so divided and vast ranging politically from left leaning areas like Cali and Vermont to areas in the deep South like South Carolina and parts of Georgia. Your immediate association of right wing politics to Nazi Germany are the kind of lazy comparisons a 12 year old would make or indeed certain posters referenced above. Come on mate, you're more reasoned than that surely. Enjoy reading the Political Positions of Ron DeSantis. I'll pre-order you his new book for Christmas if you like 😉 Questions are good; rigorous examination of one’s own and others’ opinions is to be encouraged. It frustrates debate when people don’t actually answer them, but it won’t deter me from asking. Thanks for the Wiki link – Nothing astonishing there, but I live in hope that Ron might one day surprise me. There’s no doubt that there’s been a divergence and increased polarisation in people’s political views worldwide, and the Democrats have moved (just about) to the left of the centre line for the first time in yonks, but the US’s ideological centre of gravity remains to the right, particularly when compared to the European position. Low taxation, economic liberalism and small government are in their DNA. Also, have a look at The Manifesto Project’s analysis, which places the Republicans some distance to the right of parties like the Conservatives and CDU, occupying a position midway between UKIP & AfD. I’m sorry you regard the use of Nazi Germany as an exemplar for far-right government to be infantile. Who would you have picked instead? Spain? Italy? Israel? (Sorry – more questions) There you go again buddy. Why does it always have to be Nazi Germany comparisons or reference to the "far right" as opposed to just "right wing", "libertarianism" or "right of centre" ? Reminds me of how Sky News and the BBC smeared Giorgia Meloni as a far right fascist for daring to reference immigration and the importance of family values in her victory speech. No only do I suspect you'll see emphasis on hard work, family values, economical prosperity, investigations into the Covid scam and challenging the media narrative but I think you'll also see Super Ron wage all out war on wokery in all its forms and it will be fucking beautiful. Meanwhile we will have Keith running the UK into the ground and still dithering over how to define a woman... And probably demanding winter "circuit breakers". We know Keith loves a circuit breaker. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 21, 2022 11:01:28 GMT
It's very much a democracy, but completely different to what many of us are used to. Our parliamentary system operates a (predominately) unitary state with a fused executive and legislature. Their presidential system separates the executive, legislature and judiciary and then divides it between the central and state government (federal state). Throw in the electoral college, separate election cycles for Senate, HoR and President, a written constitution that's 350 years old and it's enough to make you scream 😱. Our (uncodified) constitution is over 800 year olds and involves people having to ride to the Chiltern hundreds (whatever they are) and getting stiffed by a chap in stockings called ‘Black Rod’. Obviously superior. Too right it is |
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Post by dexter97 on Dec 21, 2022 11:56:03 GMT
Questions are good; rigorous examination of one’s own and others’ opinions is to be encouraged. It frustrates debate when people don’t actually answer them, but it won’t deter me from asking. Thanks for the Wiki link – Nothing astonishing there, but I live in hope that Ron might one day surprise me. There’s no doubt that there’s been a divergence and increased polarisation in people’s political views worldwide, and the Democrats have moved (just about) to the left of the centre line for the first time in yonks, but the US’s ideological centre of gravity remains to the right, particularly when compared to the European position. Low taxation, economic liberalism and small government are in their DNA. Also, have a look at The Manifesto Project’s analysis, which places the Republicans some distance to the right of parties like the Conservatives and CDU, occupying a position midway between UKIP & AfD. I’m sorry you regard the use of Nazi Germany as an exemplar for far-right government to be infantile. Who would you have picked instead? Spain? Italy? Israel? (Sorry – more questions) There you go again buddy. Why does it always have to be Nazi Germany comparisons or reference to the "far right" as opposed to just "right wing", "libertarianism" or "right of centre" ? Reminds me of how Sky News and the BBC smeared Giorgia Meloni as a far right fascist for daring to reference immigration and the importance of family values in her victory speech. No only do I suspect you'll see emphasis on hard work, family values, economical prosperity, investigations into the Covid scam and challenging the media narrative but I think you'll also see Super Ron wage all out war on wokery in all its forms and it will be fucking beautiful. Meanwhile we will have Keith running the UK into the ground and still dithering over how to define a woman... And probably demanding winter "circuit breakers". We know Keith loves a circuit breaker. To clarify, my reference to 1930s Germany was in the context of a sliding scale of right-wingedness, and I think most people, 12 years old or otherwise, would consider it entirely fair to place it at the extreme of that scale. I didn’t at any point compare RDS to Nazis; I simply inquired how much further to the right you’d like the Republicans to position themselves. It’s disingenuous to claim that the media have smeared Meloni simply for holding socially conservative views. She joined MSI as a teenager and started her political career with National Alliance, so it’s not unreasonable to describe her as coming from the far-right. I agree that a return to some ‘traditional values’ would be a good thing, and that doesn’t always have to be at odds with social liberalism. My concern about his brand of conservatism is that it would also see (amongst other horrors) the removal of affordable healthcare from millions of people, the continued proliferation of gun violence and consignment of abortion to the back streets. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 21, 2022 17:43:57 GMT
Apparently Trump isn't in a happy place at the moment. Plays golf every day and has an aide follow him around to show him news stories he might like to cheer him up.
Other than that "not much happens" according to his staff. I guess with Desantis favourite for the Republican nomination everyone has dropped him.
Poor Donald.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2022 1:31:33 GMT
My definition of Fickle is being indifferent towards a Man you previously worshipped going to Goal Being better than Trump is an extremely Low Bar There are two years to the Election, plenty of time for either Candidate to mess up. The Bookies have shortened the ODDS to 2/1 Ronny 3/1 Joe Far too early to count 🐔 🐔 🐔 I did have a look at the odds on the next US election. The part that surprised me most was that the Republicans are current odds-on favourite (1.78) to win the next election but rank outsiders (4.9) to get the most votes. It's barely even a democracy is it? It is, depending on your definition of democracy. Popular vote is hard in a country similarly sized to Europe. It wouldn’t be easy to run a country if the majority of the States voted against you, but a few highly populated areas voted for you. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2022 1:34:30 GMT
Apparently Trump isn't in a happy place at the moment. Plays golf every day and has an aide follow him around to show him news stories he might like to cheer him up. Other than that "not much happens" according to his staff. I guess with Desantis favourite for the Republican nomination everyone has dropped him. Poor Donald. Every time I fart, I say “I just 45th’d”. It makes me smile a lot. |
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Post by dirtclod on Dec 22, 2022 14:19:27 GMT
Without getting too far into a political discussion, which holds about as much attraction for me as a decomposing corpse:
A lot of what a US President does or doesn't do is controlled by Congress. If you get in there, but Congress is controlled by the opposition party then all you're going to do is make a lot of great speeches. But no legislation will get passed. Right now the Senate is controlled by Democrats, House of Representatives by the Republicans. I like it when there's a balance - regardless of party, when one party controls the White House AND both houses of Congress? Look out.
As far as California being "left" well all I'll say is that they've completely wrecked their state and a "Reverse Grapes of Wrath" exodus is occurring. We've had thousands of them move to Oklahoma in the past couple of years because living in California has just become untenable financially for most people. Only the ultra-rich and delusional Hollywood aliens are thriving in it. My next door neighbor moved from there several years ago and all he'll say is "I couldn't afford the taxes, houses, cars, food, nothing." And let me tell you, this dude has MONEY - he bought his house for cash. That's a 3000 sq. foot single-family brick dwelling with 2 car garage and large yard. He says our houses out there would go for 5 million easy in the Peoples' Republic of California. (That's what he calls it) Therein lies one of the many fictions that California is built on - houses just aren't REALLY worth that. So every few years, we have this housing bubble burst that causes harm to the rest of the nation's economy. They eventually figure out that giving out 2 million dollar mortgages to 20-somethings doesn't work 98% of the time.
And Trump - best thing he could do is fly off to Somalia and vanish. I'm an Independent voter, but I haven't voted Democrat in 20 years, mainly due to their delusional fiscal policy (which is playing out right now). Seems like every time they get in office, taxes shoot up, gas prices go crazy and inflation runs rampant. Don't get me wrong, I'm no "Trump" Republican either. I don't know what DeSantos brings to the table, but we're trapped in this "extreme" polarization over here that needs to end yesterday. I'm sick of it, which is why I haven't researched the political scene deeper. Really doesn't matter anyway as the most you get out of one side or the other is 8 years. So they spend most of their time dismantling what their predecessor did. I'm obviously no Sleepy Joe and Kamala fan either. They and Trump are prime examples of "lowest common denominator" amongst the different political sides. We are now in the business of electing figurehead patsies, so that the rest of their mobs can steal in private.
I realized a long time ago that it's "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" here. If you think that either party gives a damn about the country then you're buying the illusion they've been selling for years. Both parties are about self-preservation and power-retention over everything else. We'd have been better off if the planes had hit Congress - hate to say that, but it's true. The whole system is so crooked that you have people spending 3, 4 million just to run for Sheriff and local judge seats. Obviously, they don't make it on the salary, so guess where the rest comes from? Influence and racketeering.
Humans are really good at one thing-breaking things. It's so bad here that when people start talking politics around me - I leave. Not worth getting upset, getting into arguments and running up the blood pressure, only to end up with the same thing. And nobody is ever convinced by these arguments - it's a total waste of time. Even though my neighbor is often on the opposite side of the fence politically from me? We get along famously because we respect one another. THAT's what's been lost in American politics. From what I hear, sounds like it's been lost in the UK as well.
If my son came home to announce that he's a hitman for the mob, I'd be relieved because it means that at least he's no damned politician.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 22, 2022 14:48:15 GMT
Without getting too far into a political discussion, which holds about as much attraction for me as a decomposing corpse: A lot of what a US President does or doesn't do is controlled by Congress. If you get in there, but Congress is controlled by the opposition party then all you're going to do is make a lot of great speeches. But no legislation will get passed. Right now the Senate is controlled by Democrats, House of Representatives by the Republicans. I like it when there's a balance - regardless of party, when one party controls the White House AND both houses of Congress? Look out. As far as California being "left" well all I'll say is that they've completely wrecked their state and a "Reverse Grapes of Wrath" exodus is occurring. We've had thousands of them move to Oklahoma in the past couple of years because living in California has just become untenable financially for most people. Only the ultra-rich and delusional Hollywood aliens are thriving in it. My next door neighbor moved from there several years ago and all he'll say is "I couldn't afford the taxes, houses, cars, food, nothing." And let me tell you, this dude has MONEY - he bought his house for cash. That's a 3000 sq. foot single-family brick dwelling with 2 car garage and large yard. He says our houses out there would go for 5 million easy in the Peoples' Republic of California. (That's what he calls it) Therein lies one of the many fictions that California is built on - houses just aren't REALLY worth that. So every few years, we have this housing bubble burst that causes harm to the rest of the nation's economy. They eventually figure out that giving out 2 million dollar mortgages to 20-somethings doesn't work 98% of the time. And Trump - best thing he could do is fly off to Somalia and vanish. I'm an Independent voter, but I haven't voted Democrat in 20 years, mainly due to their delusional fiscal policy (which is playing out right now). Seems like every time they get in office, taxes shoot up, gas prices go crazy and inflation runs rampant. Don't get me wrong, I'm no "Trump" Republican either. I don't know what DeSantos brings to the table, but we're trapped in this "extreme" polarization over here that needs to end yesterday. I'm sick of it, which is why I haven't researched the political scene deeper. Really doesn't matter anyway as the most you get out of one side or the other is 8 years. So they spend most of their time dismantling what their predecessor did. I'm obviously no Sleepy Joe and Kamala fan either. They and Trump are prime examples of "lowest common denominator" amongst the different political sides. We are now in the business of electing figurehead patsies, so that the rest of their mobs can steal in private. I realized a long time ago that it's "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" here. If you think that either party gives a damn about the country then you're buying the illusion they've been selling for years. Both parties are about self-preservation and power-retention over everything else. We'd have been better off if the planes had hit Congress - hate to say that, but it's true. The whole system is so crooked that you have people spending 3, 4 million just to run for Sheriff and local judge seats. Obviously, they don't make it on the salary, so guess where the rest comes from? Influence and racketeering. Humans are really good at one thing-breaking things. It's so bad here that when people start talking politics around me - I leave. Not worth getting upset, getting into arguments and running up the blood pressure, only to end up with the same thing. And nobody is ever convinced by these arguments - it's a total waste of time. Even though my neighbor is often on the opposite side of the fence politically from me? We get along famously because we respect one another. THAT's what's been lost in American politics. From what I hear, sounds like it's been lost in the UK as well. If my son came home to announce that he's a hitman for the mob, I'd be relieved because it means that at least he's no damned politician. Interesting stuff, especially hearing someone talking about not being able to afford taxes. I'd always thought the US was a generally low tax country, and this link appears to confirm that, although it deals with a few taxes only. If that's the case, it tends to suggest that wages are kept at a level which isn't fit for purpose for a healthy economy. worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/highest-taxed-countriesI think the problem with the US in general, and we're sadly heading that way, is that the economic model works to make a very few people very rich while a growing majority goes the other way. |
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Post by dirtclod on Dec 22, 2022 15:03:03 GMT
Without getting too far into a political discussion, which holds about as much attraction for me as a decomposing corpse: A lot of what a US President does or doesn't do is controlled by Congress. If you get in there, but Congress is controlled by the opposition party then all you're going to do is make a lot of great speeches. But no legislation will get passed. Right now the Senate is controlled by Democrats, House of Representatives by the Republicans. I like it when there's a balance - regardless of party, when one party controls the White House AND both houses of Congress? Look out. As far as California being "left" well all I'll say is that they've completely wrecked their state and a "Reverse Grapes of Wrath" exodus is occurring. We've had thousands of them move to Oklahoma in the past couple of years because living in California has just become untenable financially for most people. Only the ultra-rich and delusional Hollywood aliens are thriving in it. My next door neighbor moved from there several years ago and all he'll say is "I couldn't afford the taxes, houses, cars, food, nothing." And let me tell you, this dude has MONEY - he bought his house for cash. That's a 3000 sq. foot single-family brick dwelling with 2 car garage and large yard. He says our houses out there would go for 5 million easy in the Peoples' Republic of California. (That's what he calls it) Therein lies one of the many fictions that California is built on - houses just aren't REALLY worth that. So every few years, we have this housing bubble burst that causes harm to the rest of the nation's economy. They eventually figure out that giving out 2 million dollar mortgages to 20-somethings doesn't work 98% of the time. And Trump - best thing he could do is fly off to Somalia and vanish. I'm an Independent voter, but I haven't voted Democrat in 20 years, mainly due to their delusional fiscal policy (which is playing out right now). Seems like every time they get in office, taxes shoot up, gas prices go crazy and inflation runs rampant. Don't get me wrong, I'm no "Trump" Republican either. I don't know what DeSantos brings to the table, but we're trapped in this "extreme" polarization over here that needs to end yesterday. I'm sick of it, which is why I haven't researched the political scene deeper. Really doesn't matter anyway as the most you get out of one side or the other is 8 years. So they spend most of their time dismantling what their predecessor did. I'm obviously no Sleepy Joe and Kamala fan either. They and Trump are prime examples of "lowest common denominator" amongst the different political sides. We are now in the business of electing figurehead patsies, so that the rest of their mobs can steal in private. I realized a long time ago that it's "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" here. If you think that either party gives a damn about the country then you're buying the illusion they've been selling for years. Both parties are about self-preservation and power-retention over everything else. We'd have been better off if the planes had hit Congress - hate to say that, but it's true. The whole system is so crooked that you have people spending 3, 4 million just to run for Sheriff and local judge seats. Obviously, they don't make it on the salary, so guess where the rest comes from? Influence and racketeering. Humans are really good at one thing-breaking things. It's so bad here that when people start talking politics around me - I leave. Not worth getting upset, getting into arguments and running up the blood pressure, only to end up with the same thing. And nobody is ever convinced by these arguments - it's a total waste of time. Even though my neighbor is often on the opposite side of the fence politically from me? We get along famously because we respect one another. THAT's what's been lost in American politics. From what I hear, sounds like it's been lost in the UK as well. If my son came home to announce that he's a hitman for the mob, I'd be relieved because it means that at least he's no damned politician. Interesting stuff, especially hearing someone talking about not being able to afford taxes. I'd always thought the US was a generally low tax country, and this link appears to confirm that, although it deals with a few taxes only. If that's the case, it tends to suggest that wages are kept at a level which isn't fit for purpose for a healthy economy. worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/highest-taxed-countriesI think the problem with the US in general, and we're sadly heading that way, is that the economic model works to make a very few people very rich while a growing majority goes the other way. You hit it spot on. It's not just the taxes, but the inflation that goes with it and the false-expectations of society demanding that people amass "things" as a measure of self-worth. (And we eat to frigging much, which just drains more money) As far as the taxes go, it's the multiple layers of it - sales tax, property tax, estate tax, gas tax, emissions tax, essentially "fees" for living. I read somewhere that by the time you buy a car here, you end up paying 7 layers of tax on it. And employers are at their usual best at acting like asses - pay isn't keeping up and some states like my own are "at will" states - meaning you're only employed at the WILL of the employer. You could walk in one day and they can say "I don't like the way you look - you're fired" and there's very little that can be done legally to stop it. But on the taxes, yes - I like to call it Taxation Without Representation. And this isn't a way to "big" myself up here, but our poor society is suffering from the "dumbing down" of America, which didn't have a long commute to begin with! |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 22, 2022 15:16:06 GMT
Interesting stuff, especially hearing someone talking about not being able to afford taxes. I'd always thought the US was a generally low tax country, and this link appears to confirm that, although it deals with a few taxes only. If that's the case, it tends to suggest that wages are kept at a level which isn't fit for purpose for a healthy economy. worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/highest-taxed-countriesI think the problem with the US in general, and we're sadly heading that way, is that the economic model works to make a very few people very rich while a growing majority goes the other way. You hit it spot on. It's not just the taxes, but the inflation that goes with it and the false-expectations of society demanding that people amass "things" as a measure of self-worth. (And we eat to frigging much, which just drains more money) As far as the taxes go, it's the multiple layers of it - sales tax, property tax, estate tax, gas tax, emissions tax, essentially "fees" for living. I read somewhere that by the time you buy a car here, you end up paying 7 layers of tax on it. And employers are at their usual best at acting like asses - pay isn't keeping up and some states like my own are "at will" states - meaning you're only employed at the WILL of the employer. You could walk in one day and they can say "I don't like the way you look - you're fired" and there's very little that can be done legally to stop it. But on the taxes, yes - I like to call it Taxation Without Representation. And this isn't a way to "big" myself up here, but our poor society is suffering from the "dumbing down" of America, which didn't have a long commute to begin with! We have those issues too - zero hours contracts we call them! I was thinking that there probably additional taxes that applied. |
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Post by dirtclod on Dec 22, 2022 15:25:56 GMT
You hit it spot on. It's not just the taxes, but the inflation that goes with it and the false-expectations of society demanding that people amass "things" as a measure of self-worth. (And we eat to frigging much, which just drains more money) As far as the taxes go, it's the multiple layers of it - sales tax, property tax, estate tax, gas tax, emissions tax, essentially "fees" for living. I read somewhere that by the time you buy a car here, you end up paying 7 layers of tax on it. And employers are at their usual best at acting like asses - pay isn't keeping up and some states like my own are "at will" states - meaning you're only employed at the WILL of the employer. You could walk in one day and they can say "I don't like the way you look - you're fired" and there's very little that can be done legally to stop it. But on the taxes, yes - I like to call it Taxation Without Representation. And this isn't a way to "big" myself up here, but our poor society is suffering from the "dumbing down" of America, which didn't have a long commute to begin with! We have those issues too - zero hours contracts we call them! I was thinking that there probably additional taxes that applied. OK you just solved a mini-mystery for me - now I know what people are talking about when mentioning these "zero hour" contracts. Yes, that's a permanent condition on any job in my area. This is not an exaggeration (since it seems to unlikely) - I've been laid off 11 times in my career and none of them were by the same company. Too easy to over-hire, then trim staff at a whim. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2022 16:01:41 GMT
Without getting too far into a political discussion, which holds about as much attraction for me as a decomposing corpse: A lot of what a US President does or doesn't do is controlled by Congress. If you get in there, but Congress is controlled by the opposition party then all you're going to do is make a lot of great speeches. But no legislation will get passed. Right now the Senate is controlled by Democrats, House of Representatives by the Republicans. I like it when there's a balance - regardless of party, when one party controls the White House AND both houses of Congress? Look out. As far as California being "left" well all I'll say is that they've completely wrecked their state and a "Reverse Grapes of Wrath" exodus is occurring. We've had thousands of them move to Oklahoma in the past couple of years because living in California has just become untenable financially for most people. Only the ultra-rich and delusional Hollywood aliens are thriving in it. My next door neighbor moved from there several years ago and all he'll say is "I couldn't afford the taxes, houses, cars, food, nothing." And let me tell you, this dude has MONEY - he bought his house for cash. That's a 3000 sq. foot single-family brick dwelling with 2 car garage and large yard. He says our houses out there would go for 5 million easy in the Peoples' Republic of California. (That's what he calls it) Therein lies one of the many fictions that California is built on - houses just aren't REALLY worth that. So every few years, we have this housing bubble burst that causes harm to the rest of the nation's economy. They eventually figure out that giving out 2 million dollar mortgages to 20-somethings doesn't work 98% of the time. And Trump - best thing he could do is fly off to Somalia and vanish. I'm an Independent voter, but I haven't voted Democrat in 20 years, mainly due to their delusional fiscal policy (which is playing out right now). Seems like every time they get in office, taxes shoot up, gas prices go crazy and inflation runs rampant. Don't get me wrong, I'm no "Trump" Republican either. I don't know what DeSantos brings to the table, but we're trapped in this "extreme" polarization over here that needs to end yesterday. I'm sick of it, which is why I haven't researched the political scene deeper. Really doesn't matter anyway as the most you get out of one side or the other is 8 years. So they spend most of their time dismantling what their predecessor did. I'm obviously no Sleepy Joe and Kamala fan either. They and Trump are prime examples of "lowest common denominator" amongst the different political sides. We are now in the business of electing figurehead patsies, so that the rest of their mobs can steal in private. I realized a long time ago that it's "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" here. If you think that either party gives a damn about the country then you're buying the illusion they've been selling for years. Both parties are about self-preservation and power-retention over everything else. We'd have been better off if the planes had hit Congress - hate to say that, but it's true. The whole system is so crooked that you have people spending 3, 4 million just to run for Sheriff and local judge seats. Obviously, they don't make it on the salary, so guess where the rest comes from? Influence and racketeering. Humans are really good at one thing-breaking things. It's so bad here that when people start talking politics around me - I leave. Not worth getting upset, getting into arguments and running up the blood pressure, only to end up with the same thing. And nobody is ever convinced by these arguments - it's a total waste of time. Even though my neighbor is often on the opposite side of the fence politically from me? We get along famously because we respect one another. THAT's what's been lost in American politics. From what I hear, sounds like it's been lost in the UK as well. If my son came home to announce that he's a hitman for the mob, I'd be relieved because it means that at least he's no damned politician. Interesting stuff, especially hearing someone talking about not being able to afford taxes. I'd always thought the US was a generally low tax country, and this link appears to confirm that, although it deals with a few taxes only. If that's the case, it tends to suggest that wages are kept at a level which isn't fit for purpose for a healthy economy. worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/highest-taxed-countriesI think the problem with the US in general, and we're sadly heading that way, is that the economic model works to make a very few people very rich while a growing majority goes the other way. I think that link only addresses tax on National (federal level income tax). Each state then gives a tax. I also pay city tax and property tax (tax on the value of my house and car), the latter of which is generally supposed to fund public schools. That bit is a harsh reality for the US. The more money you have invested in property, the more money you pay in property tax, the better the local schools. So, the poor have less good houses and as a result, less good schools. You do also have to factor in that a decent chunk of your salary goes to health insurance in the US, and that private pension programs are more important here. |
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Post by wapiti on Dec 23, 2022 3:08:40 GMT
Without getting too far into a political discussion, which holds about as much attraction for me as a decomposing corpse: A lot of what a US President does or doesn't do is controlled by Congress. If you get in there, but Congress is controlled by the opposition party then all you're going to do is make a lot of great speeches. But no legislation will get passed. Right now the Senate is controlled by Democrats, House of Representatives by the Republicans. I like it when there's a balance - regardless of party, when one party controls the White House AND both houses of Congress? Look out. As far as California being "left" well all I'll say is that they've completely wrecked their state and a "Reverse Grapes of Wrath" exodus is occurring. We've had thousands of them move to Oklahoma in the past couple of years because living in California has just become untenable financially for most people. Only the ultra-rich and delusional Hollywood aliens are thriving in it. My next door neighbor moved from there several years ago and all he'll say is "I couldn't afford the taxes, houses, cars, food, nothing." And let me tell you, this dude has MONEY - he bought his house for cash. That's a 3000 sq. foot single-family brick dwelling with 2 car garage and large yard. He says our houses out there would go for 5 million easy in the Peoples' Republic of California. (That's what he calls it) Therein lies one of the many fictions that California is built on - houses just aren't REALLY worth that. So every few years, we have this housing bubble burst that causes harm to the rest of the nation's economy. They eventually figure out that giving out 2 million dollar mortgages to 20-somethings doesn't work 98% of the time. And Trump - best thing he could do is fly off to Somalia and vanish. I'm an Independent voter, but I haven't voted Democrat in 20 years, mainly due to their delusional fiscal policy (which is playing out right now). Seems like every time they get in office, taxes shoot up, gas prices go crazy and inflation runs rampant. Don't get me wrong, I'm no "Trump" Republican either. I don't know what DeSantos brings to the table, but we're trapped in this "extreme" polarization over here that needs to end yesterday. I'm sick of it, which is why I haven't researched the political scene deeper. Really doesn't matter anyway as the most you get out of one side or the other is 8 years. So they spend most of their time dismantling what their predecessor did. I'm obviously no Sleepy Joe and Kamala fan either. They and Trump are prime examples of "lowest common denominator" amongst the different political sides. We are now in the business of electing figurehead patsies, so that the rest of their mobs can steal in private. I realized a long time ago that it's "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" here. If you think that either party gives a damn about the country then you're buying the illusion they've been selling for years. Both parties are about self-preservation and power-retention over everything else. We'd have been better off if the planes had hit Congress - hate to say that, but it's true. The whole system is so crooked that you have people spending 3, 4 million just to run for Sheriff and local judge seats. Obviously, they don't make it on the salary, so guess where the rest comes from? Influence and racketeering. Humans are really good at one thing-breaking things. It's so bad here that when people start talking politics around me - I leave. Not worth getting upset, getting into arguments and running up the blood pressure, only to end up with the same thing. And nobody is ever convinced by these arguments - it's a total waste of time. Even though my neighbor is often on the opposite side of the fence politically from me? We get along famously because we respect one another. THAT's what's been lost in American politics. From what I hear, sounds like it's been lost in the UK as well. If my son came home to announce that he's a hitman for the mob, I'd be relieved because it means that at least he's no damned politician. If you can't clearly see the difference between "Sleepy Joe" and Trump......then, good luck to you in life. Blaming the Democrats for inflation is absurd......show us the numbers from Clinton.....to Bush......and then to Obama. Current inflation, already cooling, might be influenced by the Pandemic and the invasion of Ukraine. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 23, 2022 8:56:40 GMT
Interesting stuff, especially hearing someone talking about not being able to afford taxes. I'd always thought the US was a generally low tax country, and this link appears to confirm that, although it deals with a few taxes only. If that's the case, it tends to suggest that wages are kept at a level which isn't fit for purpose for a healthy economy. worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/highest-taxed-countriesI think the problem with the US in general, and we're sadly heading that way, is that the economic model works to make a very few people very rich while a growing majority goes the other way. I think that link only addresses tax on National (federal level income tax). Each state then gives a tax. I also pay city tax and property tax (tax on the value of my house and car), the latter of which is generally supposed to fund public schools. That bit is a harsh reality for the US. The more money you have invested in property, the more money you pay in property tax, the better the local schools. So, the poor have less good houses and as a result, less good schools. You do also have to factor in that a decent chunk of your salary goes to health insurance in the US, and that private pension programs are more important here. Agreed. It was the best link I could find in a quick google search, but yes there are other taxes that need consideration. What I'd like to see is the relative overall tax take for an average wage earner and a higher wage earner per country but I suspect that is very hard to do for taxes which aren't 'federal'. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2022 10:18:51 GMT
The Trump Report: "The House select committee investigating the January 6 Capitol riot released its bombshell 845-page report late on Thursday night, where it detailed how Donald Trump and his allies engaged in at least 200 acts attempting to overturn the 2020 presidential election and called for him never to be allowed to enter office again. The damning report marks the culmination of a 17-months-long investigation into the events leading up to and including January 6 2021, when a mob of Mr Trump’s supporters stormed the US Capitol to try to overturn the election. It places the blame for the Capitol riot – a violent insurrection that left five people dead and dozens of law enforcement officers injured – squarely on the shoulders of “one man”: former president Mr Trump. It finds that he acted illegally by taking part in a “multi-part conspiracy” to overturn the election results – a conspiracy that culminated in the events of that day. “That evidence has led to an overriding and straight forward conclusion: the central cause of January 6th was one man, former President Donald Trump, whom many others followed,” the report states." www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jan-6-report-released-trump-capitol-riot-b2250487.htmlIt amazes me to think people thought he was a good leader and wanted him back. |
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Post by elystokie on Dec 23, 2022 10:59:08 GMT
The Trump Report: "The House select committee investigating the January 6 Capitol riot released its bombshell 845-page report late on Thursday night, where it detailed how Donald Trump and his allies engaged in at least 200 acts attempting to overturn the 2020 presidential election and called for him never to be allowed to enter office again. The damning report marks the culmination of a 17-months-long investigation into the events leading up to and including January 6 2021, when a mob of Mr Trump’s supporters stormed the US Capitol to try to overturn the election. It places the blame for the Capitol riot – a violent insurrection that left five people dead and dozens of law enforcement officers injured – squarely on the shoulders of “one man”: former president Mr Trump. It finds that he acted illegally by taking part in a “multi-part conspiracy” to overturn the election results – a conspiracy that culminated in the events of that day. “That evidence has led to an overriding and straight forward conclusion: the central cause of January 6th was one man, former President Donald Trump, whom many others followed,” the report states." www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jan-6-report-released-trump-capitol-riot-b2250487.htmlIt amazes me to think people thought he was a good leader and wanted him back. 'thought' indicates a past tense, incredibly there's still some that think that way. I saw one the other day claiming that the insurrection was actually initiated by the Democrat party to make Trump look bad (or, probably more accurately, even worse) 🤦 |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 23, 2022 12:16:45 GMT
The Trump Report: "The House select committee investigating the January 6 Capitol riot released its bombshell 845-page report late on Thursday night, where it detailed how Donald Trump and his allies engaged in at least 200 acts attempting to overturn the 2020 presidential election and called for him never to be allowed to enter office again. The damning report marks the culmination of a 17-months-long investigation into the events leading up to and including January 6 2021, when a mob of Mr Trump’s supporters stormed the US Capitol to try to overturn the election. It places the blame for the Capitol riot – a violent insurrection that left five people dead and dozens of law enforcement officers injured – squarely on the shoulders of “one man”: former president Mr Trump. It finds that he acted illegally by taking part in a “multi-part conspiracy” to overturn the election results – a conspiracy that culminated in the events of that day. “That evidence has led to an overriding and straight forward conclusion: the central cause of January 6th was one man, former President Donald Trump, whom many others followed,” the report states." www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jan-6-report-released-trump-capitol-riot-b2250487.htmlIt amazes me to think people thought he was a good leader and wanted him back. Same kind of folk, by and large, who would've welcomed Bozo back with open arms. Essentially, people who don't give a toss if everything gets burned to shit, provided it's "their" side that's doing the burning. On the subject of the report itself, while it may well be damning, and should further turn off Americans from Trump, especially now the Republicans have a new focus of attention, it's largely pointless. It won't result in any meaningful action being taken against him. His tax, fraud and security investigations might be more serious for him. He might even do some jailtime. Although I can't see any appetite really for locking up a former president as it calls into question far too much the whole democratic process and scrutiny involved in getting to the point where someone like Trump can get elected. |
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Post by dirtclod on Dec 23, 2022 13:59:28 GMT
Without getting too far into a political discussion, which holds about as much attraction for me as a decomposing corpse: A lot of what a US President does or doesn't do is controlled by Congress. If you get in there, but Congress is controlled by the opposition party then all you're going to do is make a lot of great speeches. But no legislation will get passed. Right now the Senate is controlled by Democrats, House of Representatives by the Republicans. I like it when there's a balance - regardless of party, when one party controls the White House AND both houses of Congress? Look out. As far as California being "left" well all I'll say is that they've completely wrecked their state and a "Reverse Grapes of Wrath" exodus is occurring. We've had thousands of them move to Oklahoma in the past couple of years because living in California has just become untenable financially for most people. Only the ultra-rich and delusional Hollywood aliens are thriving in it. My next door neighbor moved from there several years ago and all he'll say is "I couldn't afford the taxes, houses, cars, food, nothing." And let me tell you, this dude has MONEY - he bought his house for cash. That's a 3000 sq. foot single-family brick dwelling with 2 car garage and large yard. He says our houses out there would go for 5 million easy in the Peoples' Republic of California. (That's what he calls it) Therein lies one of the many fictions that California is built on - houses just aren't REALLY worth that. So every few years, we have this housing bubble burst that causes harm to the rest of the nation's economy. They eventually figure out that giving out 2 million dollar mortgages to 20-somethings doesn't work 98% of the time. And Trump - best thing he could do is fly off to Somalia and vanish. I'm an Independent voter, but I haven't voted Democrat in 20 years, mainly due to their delusional fiscal policy (which is playing out right now). Seems like every time they get in office, taxes shoot up, gas prices go crazy and inflation runs rampant. Don't get me wrong, I'm no "Trump" Republican either. I don't know what DeSantos brings to the table, but we're trapped in this "extreme" polarization over here that needs to end yesterday. I'm sick of it, which is why I haven't researched the political scene deeper. Really doesn't matter anyway as the most you get out of one side or the other is 8 years. So they spend most of their time dismantling what their predecessor did. I'm obviously no Sleepy Joe and Kamala fan either. They and Trump are prime examples of "lowest common denominator" amongst the different political sides. We are now in the business of electing figurehead patsies, so that the rest of their mobs can steal in private. I realized a long time ago that it's "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" here. If you think that either party gives a damn about the country then you're buying the illusion they've been selling for years. Both parties are about self-preservation and power-retention over everything else. We'd have been better off if the planes had hit Congress - hate to say that, but it's true. The whole system is so crooked that you have people spending 3, 4 million just to run for Sheriff and local judge seats. Obviously, they don't make it on the salary, so guess where the rest comes from? Influence and racketeering. Humans are really good at one thing-breaking things. It's so bad here that when people start talking politics around me - I leave. Not worth getting upset, getting into arguments and running up the blood pressure, only to end up with the same thing. And nobody is ever convinced by these arguments - it's a total waste of time. Even though my neighbor is often on the opposite side of the fence politically from me? We get along famously because we respect one another. THAT's what's been lost in American politics. From what I hear, sounds like it's been lost in the UK as well. If my son came home to announce that he's a hitman for the mob, I'd be relieved because it means that at least he's no damned politician. If you can't clearly see the difference between "Sleepy Joe" and Trump......then, good luck to you in life. Blaming the Democrats for inflation is absurd......show us the numbers from Clinton.....to Bush......and then to Obama. Current inflation, already cooling, might be influenced by the Pandemic and the invasion of Ukraine. Both are members of for lack of a better term....an elite that are EXACTLY the same when it comes for concern for the citizens of the country - which is none. Don't get me wrong - I'm not advocating for the return of Trump in any way and give me a break - you telling me that Trump and Biden are the "best" that these two parties can come up with? There you go, 2nd parallel - both are borderline power-hungry nut-cases. All I know is what I've seen during my life. That's not influenced by politics, it's a result of what's actually occurred. That's all I can say, other than I'm biased by personal-experience But I'm not here to get into a debate over "left-wing vs right wing" as extremes in either direction are equally bullshit failures of epic proportions. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2022 14:05:52 GMT
The Trump Report: "The House select committee investigating the January 6 Capitol riot released its bombshell 845-page report late on Thursday night, where it detailed how Donald Trump and his allies engaged in at least 200 acts attempting to overturn the 2020 presidential election and called for him never to be allowed to enter office again. The damning report marks the culmination of a 17-months-long investigation into the events leading up to and including January 6 2021, when a mob of Mr Trump’s supporters stormed the US Capitol to try to overturn the election. It places the blame for the Capitol riot – a violent insurrection that left five people dead and dozens of law enforcement officers injured – squarely on the shoulders of “one man”: former president Mr Trump. It finds that he acted illegally by taking part in a “multi-part conspiracy” to overturn the election results – a conspiracy that culminated in the events of that day. “That evidence has led to an overriding and straight forward conclusion: the central cause of January 6th was one man, former President Donald Trump, whom many others followed,” the report states." www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jan-6-report-released-trump-capitol-riot-b2250487.htmlIt amazes me to think people thought he was a good leader and wanted him back. Same kind of folk, by and large, who would've welcomed Bozo back with open arms. Essentially, people who don't give a toss if everything gets burned to shit, provided it's "their" side that's doing the burning. On the subject of the report itself, while it may well be damning, and should further turn off Americans from Trump, especially now the Republicans have a new focus of attention, it's largely pointless. It won't result in any meaningful action being taken against him. His tax, fraud and security investigations might be more serious for him. He might even do some jailtime. Although I can't see any appetite really for locking up a former president as it calls into question far too much the whole democratic process and scrutiny involved in getting to the point where someone like Trump can get elected. It would be a nightmare for this country if Trump were to face jail time. There would be chaos. There would also be a huge concern over national secrets: he’s not exactly been good at keeping them while at his own little fortress in Florida. |
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Post by lordb on Dec 23, 2022 14:32:08 GMT
Same kind of folk, by and large, who would've welcomed Bozo back with open arms. Essentially, people who don't give a toss if everything gets burned to shit, provided it's "their" side that's doing the burning. On the subject of the report itself, while it may well be damning, and should further turn off Americans from Trump, especially now the Republicans have a new focus of attention, it's largely pointless. It won't result in any meaningful action being taken against him. His tax, fraud and security investigations might be more serious for him. He might even do some jailtime. Although I can't see any appetite really for locking up a former president as it calls into question far too much the whole democratic process and scrutiny involved in getting to the point where someone like Trump can get elected. It would be a nightmare for this country if Trump were to face jail time. There would be chaos. There would also be a huge concern over national secrets: he’s not exactly been good at keeping them while at his own little fortress in Florida. Everything to do with Trump is a nightmare Him going to prison could be a nightmare Him not going is a nightmare |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2022 16:31:03 GMT
It would be a nightmare for this country if Trump were to face jail time. There would be chaos. There would also be a huge concern over national secrets: he’s not exactly been good at keeping them while at his own little fortress in Florida. Everything to do with Trump is a nightmare Him going to prison could be a nightmare Him not going is a nightmare Proving guilt in a court of law would be a hell of a lot harder than doing it to a committee desperate to find you guilty. To take it further would be a pointless expedition. I don’t want my tax payer dollars feeding that crap. I’d rather it go to the surging gang activity in my city. Trump is finished. We should just move on and try and pull the country beyond his overly divisive rhetoric. I’d wager that it’s significantly harder to mount a resurgence campaign having already been beaten than it would have been to generate interest in 2016. |
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Post by wannabee on Dec 23, 2022 17:25:26 GMT
Everything to do with Trump is a nightmare Him going to prison could be a nightmare Him not going is a nightmare Proving guilt in a court of law would be a hell of a lot harder than doing it to a committee desperate to find you guilty. To take it further would be a pointless expedition. I don’t want my tax payer dollars feeding that crap. I’d rather it go to the surging gang activity in my city. Trump is finished. We should just move on and try and pull the country beyond his overly divisive rhetoric. I’d wager that it’s significantly harder to mount a resurgence campaign having already been beaten than it would have been to generate interest in 2016. The January 6th Committee findings are Political Theatre without specific consequences The DoJ Investigation is entirely different and is continuing at pace and it has secured important legal victories which significantly moves its investigation on. Firstly the ability to use the Mar-a-Lago papers gives a Prima Facie case and secondly the freedom to compel and interview Trump Aides Like you I would have trepidation if The DoJ pursue Criminal Charges against Trump but for divisive reasons (not my Tax Dollars) The problem will be if they don't it will be seen as vindication by Trump's dwindling Fan Base that the Investigation was a Witch-hunt Also when the details are leaked, and they will be, if a Prosecution is not justifiably pursued it will prove some people of Power are above the Law A real damned if you do, damned if you don't dilemma |
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Post by dirtclod on Dec 23, 2022 17:36:46 GMT
It would be a nightmare for this country if Trump were to face jail time. There would be chaos. There would also be a huge concern over national secrets: he’s not exactly been good at keeping them while at his own little fortress in Florida. Everything to do with Trump is a nightmare Him going to prison could be a nightmare Him not going is a nightmare One point of clarification Lord. He's a rolling-nightmare with a horrible comb-over as well. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Dec 23, 2022 17:53:24 GMT
Proving guilt in a court of law would be a hell of a lot harder than doing it to a committee desperate to find you guilty. To take it further would be a pointless expedition. I don’t want my tax payer dollars feeding that crap. I’d rather it go to the surging gang activity in my city. Trump is finished. We should just move on and try and pull the country beyond his overly divisive rhetoric. I’d wager that it’s significantly harder to mount a resurgence campaign having already been beaten than it would have been to generate interest in 2016. The January 6th Committee findings are Political Theatre without specific consequences The DoJ Investigation is entirely different and is continuing at pace and it has secured important legal victories which significantly moves its investigation on. Firstly the ability to use the Mar-a-Lago papers gives a Prima Facie case and secondly the freedom to compel and interview Trump Aides Like you I would have trepidation if The DoJ pursue Criminal Charges against Trump but for divisive reasons (not my Tax Dollars) The problem will be if they don't it will be seen as vindication by Trump's dwindling Fan Base that the Investigation was a Witch-hunt Also when the details are leaked, and they will be, if a Prosecution is not justifiably pursued it will prove some people of Power are above the Law A real damned if you do, damned if you don't dilemma Not going after him would also establish that republican leaders are above the law. |
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Post by wapiti on Dec 23, 2022 17:57:59 GMT
Trump is an Insurrectionist (Jan 6)......a probable Traitor (Putin/Russia).......and a complete Scumbag (his entire pathetic and filthy existence).......the world will be a better place once Satan brings him home.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2022 18:13:02 GMT
The January 6th Committee findings are Political Theatre without specific consequences The DoJ Investigation is entirely different and is continuing at pace and it has secured important legal victories which significantly moves its investigation on. Firstly the ability to use the Mar-a-Lago papers gives a Prima Facie case and secondly the freedom to compel and interview Trump Aides Like you I would have trepidation if The DoJ pursue Criminal Charges against Trump but for divisive reasons (not my Tax Dollars) The problem will be if they don't it will be seen as vindication by Trump's dwindling Fan Base that the Investigation was a Witch-hunt Also when the details are leaked, and they will be, if a Prosecution is not justifiably pursued it will prove some people of Power are above the Law A real damned if you do, damned if you don't dilemma Not going after him would also establish that republican leaders are above the law. Already established when Nixon escaped sentencing. I just don’t see a positive outcome to it all. If they convict him, it will cost an absolute fortune to keep him secure. It won’t deter his fan base, it will drive them to a frenzy. If they fail to convict him, he could well use that to gain more support and go for Presidency again. If they leave him alone, well he won’t get the attention he craves, and given that he’s obese and approaching 80, he won’t be around for much longer anyways. |
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