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Post by Ariel Manto on Nov 11, 2024 20:25:37 GMT
Are you sure that's not your political bias talking?? I’m not interested in politics, which I’m sure you’re aware of by now😉  In fairness Farage is your spiritual guide so evidently not  |
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Post by musik on Nov 11, 2024 20:40:32 GMT
Russia has NOT spoken to Trump, they say.
I think they might be right.
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Post by Ariel Manto on Nov 11, 2024 20:58:16 GMT
Russia has NOT spoken to Trump, they say. I think they might be right. Donald Trump reportedly spoke with Putin about the Ukraine conflict after his Presidential election victory. Apparently, Trump advised Putin not to escalate the war and emphasized the significant U.S. military presence in Europe. - US says it spoke to Putin.
- Putin says it didn't happen.
Ask yourself: what has the US got to lose by saying they did not speak to Putin about being restrained in Ukraine? vs What has Putin got to lose by saying he did speak to and was warned by Trump? Trump speaks to Putin Over Ukraine |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 11, 2024 21:04:00 GMT
I’m not interested in politics, which I’m sure you’re aware of by now😉 In fairness Farage is your spiritual guide so evidently not He’s just a cool guy and I agree with many of his views |
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Post by Ariel Manto on Nov 11, 2024 21:12:51 GMT
In fairness Farage is your spiritual guide so evidently not He’s just a cool guy and I agree with many of his views Fair enough mate, but I just think Farage doesn't do anything for the public good and he's only ever truly out for himself. Granted, that's not the same as disagreeing with what Farage says because if he suddenly came out with something which resonated and made perfect sense policy-wise then only a fool would ignore it and refuse to discuss it just because Farage proposed it. But the man always goes that bit too far. For example, Farage isn't wrong to point out that small boat crossings and illegal immigration needs to be stopped. Of course it does - nobody of sound mind wants people dying trying to get into the country to claim asylum here. It's just that Farage almost always then deliberately over-eggs the nationalism and racial rhetoric around the subject to stir up political support for ..... himself. I feel that if Farage was genuinely interested in the issue of illegal immigration, he wouldn't be demonising asylum seekers and people crossing The Channel in boats - he'd be looking to solve the issue of routes to claim asylum as that stops illegal immigration full stop. But if people agree with him who am I or anyone else to say they shouldn't vote with their conscience? I just seriously doubt he's on the right side of any definition of "cool"  |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 11, 2024 21:15:53 GMT
He’s just a cool guy and I agree with many of his views Fair enough mate, but I just think Farage doesn't do anything for the public good and he's only ever truly out for himself. Granted, that's not the same as disagreeing with what Farage says because if he suddenly came out with something which resonated and made perfect sense policy-wise then only a fool would ignore it and refuse to discuss it just because Farage proposed it. But the man always goes that bit too far. For example, Farage isn't wrong to point out that small boat crossings and illegal immigration needs to be stopped. Of course it does - nobody of sound mind wants people dying trying to get into the country to claim asylum here. It's just that Farage almost always then deliberately over-eggs the nationalism and racial rhetoric around the subject to stir up political support for ..... himself. I feel that if Farage was genuinely interested in the issue of illegal immigration, he wouldn't be demonising asylum seekers and people crossing The Channel in boats - he'd be looking to solve the issue of routes to claim asylum as that stops illegal immigration full stop. But if people agree with him who am I or anyone else to say they shouldn't vote with their conscience? I just seriously doubt he's on the right side of any definition of "cool" He’s got his own gin for gods sake. How much cooler do you want him? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 12, 2024 2:46:41 GMT
Still struggling to quite see these apparent signs that he's on an anti-war mission ...
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Post by elystokie on Nov 12, 2024 2:51:59 GMT
At least we can all sleep easy now there isn't a deranged narcissistic psychopath with probably not long to live anyway with his finger on the big red button...
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Post by Kpsje on Nov 12, 2024 8:02:04 GMT
Let’s cut to the chase here as everything else is irrelevant. Is James Cordon coming back here or not? Pub quiz time. Who is more of a cunt - James Cordon, James O'brien or Gary Linekar? i love pub quizzes, rossi… 1) james cordon - fat pussy. 2) james o’brien - obnoxious, narcissistic, loathsome tosser! 3) gary lineker -  3 out of 3? (winky face) |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 12, 2024 13:27:05 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Nov 12, 2024 13:43:31 GMT
they have been doing a good enough job of it before Trump |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 12, 2024 13:47:57 GMT
they have been doing a good enough job of it before Trump Oh indeed but they've been doing a 'good enough' job illegally. They seem to now be under the impression that Trump's new administration is about to legitimise their actions. Let's hope that that impression, is in reality, significantly misguided. |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 12, 2024 14:17:28 GMT
they have been doing a good enough job of it before Trump Oh indeed but they've been doing a 'good enough' job illegally. They seem to now be under the impression that Trump's new administration is about to legitimise their actions. Let's hope that that impression, is in reality, significantly misguided. no-one has a clue what he will do, who he will appoint, his views on this that or what ever, two different reports on wether he has even spoken to Putin. Until he is in the chair we wont get much info save some appointments discuss your thoughts and opinions by fair means but tweets like this are not very helpful considering the rest of the world has allowed this to go on for 13 months. hardly trumps fault |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 12, 2024 15:01:56 GMT
Oh indeed but they've been doing a 'good enough' job illegally. They seem to now be under the impression that Trump's new administration is about to legitimise their actions. Let's hope that that impression, is in reality, significantly misguided. no-one has a clue what he will do, who he will appoint, his views on this that or what ever, two different reports on wether he has even spoken to Putin. Until he is in the chair we wont get much info save some appointments discuss your thoughts and opinions by fair means but tweets like this are not very helpful considering the rest of the world has allowed this to go on for 13 months. hardly trumps fault Nobody has remotely suggested that the last 13 months have been 'Trump’s fault' that's nothing more than a straw man. The facts of the matter however, is that there are moderate Republicans now going absolutely crazy, to the point of calling it betrayal, in reaction to the team of hawks that he is currently assembling. And equally, the Israelis are publicly rubbing their hands in glee at the prospect. But you are right, people DON'T know what he's going to do and as such, there is ZERO evidence so far that his intention is a path for peace. That doesn't mean that ultimately he won't but so far, there isn't any evidence for it, save for blind faith. |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 12, 2024 15:22:14 GMT
no-one has a clue what he will do, who he will appoint, his views on this that or what ever, two different reports on wether he has even spoken to Putin. Until he is in the chair we wont get much info save some appointments discuss your thoughts and opinions by fair means but tweets like this are not very helpful considering the rest of the world has allowed this to go on for 13 months. hardly trumps fault Nobody has remotely suggested that the last 13 months have been 'Trump’s fault' that's nothing more than a straw man. The facts of the matter however, is that there are moderate Republicans now going absolutely crazy, to the point of calling it betrayal, in reaction to the team of hawks that he is currently assembling. And equally, the Israelis are publicly rubbing their hands in glee at the prospect. But you are right, people DON'T know what he's going to do and as such, there is ZERO evidence so far that his intention is a path for peace. That doesn't mean that ultimately he won't but so far, there isn't any evidence for it, save for blind faith. lots of evidence that Biden despite some critism of Israel is still condoning it by arms and diplomacy means Biden’s support for Israel has divided his Democratic Party and cost Harris the votes of many Arab Americans and liberals. people seem to be criticising the next president for what he may do rather than what the current one has done - and that is all linked to their preferred candidate losing |
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Post by Ariel Manto on Nov 12, 2024 15:26:46 GMT
lots of evidence that Biden despite some critism of Israel is still condoning it by arms and diplomacy means Biden’s support for Israel has divided his Democratic Party and cost Harris the votes of many Arab Americans and liberals. There is little doubt that Biden's strong support for Israel caused divisions within the Democratic Party. Some Democratic Party members and supporters were openly critical of Biden's stance (Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, and Rashida Tlaib were vocal in their opposition to Biden, calling for a more balanced approach that considers the rights and safety of Palestinians). As you rightly say that division had political repercussions, with some voters feeling alienated and directly impacting Harris's performance in the election. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 12, 2024 16:26:05 GMT
Nobody has remotely suggested that the last 13 months have been 'Trump’s fault' that's nothing more than a straw man. The facts of the matter however, is that there are moderate Republicans now going absolutely crazy, to the point of calling it betrayal, in reaction to the team of hawks that he is currently assembling. And equally, the Israelis are publicly rubbing their hands in glee at the prospect. But you are right, people DON'T know what he's going to do and as such, there is ZERO evidence so far that his intention is a path for peace. That doesn't mean that ultimately he won't but so far, there isn't any evidence for it, save for blind faith. lots of evidence that Biden despite some critism of Israel is still condoning it by arms and diplomacy means Biden’s support for Israel has divided his Democratic Party and cost Harris the votes of many Arab Americans and liberals. people seem to be criticising the next president for what he may do rather than what the current one has done - and that is all linked to their preferred candidate losing That's a different topic though, nobody even mentioned Biden or Harris |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 12, 2024 16:33:49 GMT
lots of evidence that Biden despite some critism of Israel is still condoning it by arms and diplomacy means Biden’s support for Israel has divided his Democratic Party and cost Harris the votes of many Arab Americans and liberals. people seem to be criticising the next president for what he may do rather than what the current one has done - and that is all linked to their preferred candidate losing That's a different topic though nobody even mentioned Biden. before we speculate on might happen and you have posted a few tweets on that, no-one really gives him and his administration the same barrels. its the same hawks arming israel, and it is still Iran pulling hamas strings. I havent seen cartoons of biden on missiles |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 12, 2024 16:37:50 GMT
That's a different topic though nobody even mentioned Biden. before we speculate on might happen and you have posted a few tweets on that, no-one really gives him and his administration the same barrels. its the same hawks arming israel, and it is still Iran pulling hamas strings. I havent seen cartoons of biden on missiles I've slagged him and his party's position on Israel to high hell on here and as you quite rightly speculated, there is no doubt that that position cost the Democrats many, many votes but as I just said, that's a completely different discussion to the one we were having about evidence of Trump currently being on a path of peace. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 12, 2024 18:20:44 GMT
Nails it.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 12, 2024 18:23:54 GMT
So true, you see it on here day after day |
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Post by stokeson on Nov 12, 2024 18:30:17 GMT
So true, you see it on here day after day Yes cause Harris supporters are rioting on the steps/What a load of bollocks |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 12, 2024 18:32:23 GMT
So true, you see it on here day after day Yes cause Harris supporters are rioting on the steps/What a load of bollocks Yeh that’s because she got completely trounced. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 12, 2024 20:12:40 GMT
Yes cause Harris supporters are rioting on the steps/What a load of bollocks Yeh that’s because she got completely trounced. Trump only got six more electoral votes in 2020 as Harris did 2024, while Harris got a higher percentage of the vote share in 2024 than Trump did in 2020. The truth is they both got completely trounced in 2020 and 2024 respectively. Their reaction to getting trounced is very different. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 12, 2024 20:43:51 GMT
Yes cause Harris supporters are rioting on the steps/What a load of bollocks Yeh that’s because she got completely trounced. I think you've completely missed his point. How can the chap in the video reach his conclusion, whilst completely ignoring the fact that Trump's supporters violently stormed Capitol Hill when the result didn't go their way? It's completely laughable. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 12, 2024 21:09:59 GMT
Trump is literally laughing at us now.
No wonder the Israeli's are laughing too.
"There is no such thing as the West Bank, it's Judea and Samaria..."
😔
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 12, 2024 21:26:03 GMT
So true, you see it on here day after day Interesting video as is the reaction he talks of, though not that surprising as it often happens when you have someone who’s black that’s on the centre / right of politics. They’re treated like some sort of traitor because that’s not how they’re supposed to think. It does seem that certain posters are totally unwilling to ever admit they’re wrong or that others may have an alternative view to them and that if they do they’re brow beaten into being told that they’re WRONG rather than just being allowed to disagree respectively. |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Nov 12, 2024 21:29:33 GMT
When the bombs start dropping run towards not away from them! 😂
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Post by Ariel Manto on Nov 13, 2024 0:04:48 GMT
So true, you see it on here day after day Interesting video as is the reaction he talks of, though not that surprising as it often happens when you have someone who’s black that’s on the centre / right of politics. They’re treated like some sort of traitor because that’s not how they’re supposed to think. It does seem that certain posters are totally unwilling to ever admit they’re wrong or that others may have an alternative view to them and that if they do they’re brow beaten into being told that they’re WRONG rather than just being allowed to disagree respectively. Anyone particular in mind? Some people just don’t accept pluralism in a pluralist society. You can agree with whatever idea you want to agree with, but should always accept that there can be more than one idea. |
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Post by skip on Nov 13, 2024 0:08:06 GMT
before we speculate on might happen and you have posted a few tweets on that, no-one really gives him and his administration the same barrels. its the same hawks arming israel, and it is still Iran pulling hamas strings. I havent seen cartoons of biden on missiles I've slagged him and his party's position on Israel to high hell on here and as you quite rightly speculated, there is no doubt that that position cost the Democrats many, many votes but as I just said, that's a completely different discussion to the one we were having about evidence of Trump currently being on a path of peace. Expect to read an interesting* article in the next day or two, about how he is prepared to ramp up US support in/for Ukraine, playing brinksmanship with Putin. Not is all as it seems, and his bringing in the hawks into his circle certainly suggests that this could be a possibility. *terrifying. |
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