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Post by wannabee on Nov 5, 2024 12:31:32 GMT
The most frustrating thing is listening to women reference the abortion stuff. Don't try and take morale high ground with me when the Democrats and Harris have so much blood on their hands. It's like voting Hitler because he supports abortion while ignoring his war mongering and taking the high ground for doing so. Everyone has the right to vote whom they wish but Harris voters taking the high ground while they bankroll the bombing of women and children takes the biscuit for me. I've not seen US women take the moral high ground but if you have fair enough It's quite possible for Women to consider several issues at the same time and reasonable to prioritise their Medical Health as the most important issue to them. You think US Women should have different priorities but you have no skin in the game. |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 5, 2024 12:42:19 GMT
its irrelevant how the rest of the world thinks as we all think we understand USa but most of us dont - a lot of think along the lines of our own voting a good scene from the west wing discussed on redit - https://www.reddit.com/r/thewestwing/comments/12p9d48/you_dont_like_the_people/ |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 5, 2024 12:50:25 GMT
The most frustrating thing is listening to women reference the abortion stuff. Don't try and take morale high ground with me when the Democrats and Harris have so much blood on their hands. It's like voting Hitler because he supports abortion while ignoring his war mongering and taking the high ground for doing so. Everyone has the right to vote whom they wish but Harris voters taking the high ground while they bankroll the bombing of women and children takes the biscuit for me. I've not seen US women take the moral high ground but if you have fair enough It's quite possible for Women to consider several issues at the same time and reasonable to prioritise their Medical Health as the most important issue to them. You think US Women should have different priorities but you have no skin in the game. I haven't mentioned US women once. That's just you. I'm talking about women I've conversed with who have no skin in the game just like you. I'd be considering why the Democrats didn't alter the fillbuster to pass legislation on abortion rights if its so important. Ultimately it was the republicans in 2017 who altered it to get 3 supreme court judges of their liking selected. And it is those 3 supreme court judges who's vote effectively allowed Roe v Wade to be overturned. So if its so important to Harris and Democrats. Why not alter the fillbuster to pass legislation like the republicans did with the supreme court nominations which ultimately then overturned Roe v Wade... I presume part of the reason they didn't is because many Democrat senators were opposed to it and they wouldn't get the simple majority needed to pass it. Some of those senators were elected Democrats for over 20 years. So again that then leads to the question about if Democrats are united on protecting abortion because if we are looking at their actions they greatly differ from their words. All important context and information but not information which is provided when the media report on Roe v Wade. Instead alot of those facts are left out and its weaponised to create division. |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 5, 2024 13:00:25 GMT
anyone listening to Radio 2 vine show at exactly 12:57 will have heard a guy who thinks trump will win
he says regardless of trump (hes not a supporter) the democrats and in fact people over here too make anyone who supports trump feel small, thick etc and that will make them vote trump more
some truth in that and hence the metaphor being discussed here: https://www.reddit.com/r/thewestwing/comments/12p9d48/you_dont_like_the_people/
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 5, 2024 13:01:28 GMT
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Post by noustie on Nov 5, 2024 13:02:37 GMT
its irrelevant how the rest of the world thinks as we all think we understand USa but most of us dont - a lot of think along the lines of our own voting a good scene from the west wing discussed on redit - https://www.reddit.com/r/thewestwing/comments/12p9d48/you_dont_like_the_people/ Wonder if it's a useful gauge on media bias one way or the other as much as anything else? It would be interesting to compare those ratios with Brit's, Russians, Danes, etc registered to vote in the US. |
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Post by Tom_stokiepmre89 on Nov 5, 2024 13:10:27 GMT
I think I see the point you're making....but if one group of people are ever allowed to reference their views on abortion (whatever they are) then it's women. Yeh I just don't appreciate people taking the morale high ground over it. Especially when the Democrats could have considered eliminating the filibuster in senate in 2022 to pass an abortion rights bill if they so wished. But they didn't. So just seems a strange thing to campaign on when you had the ability to pass an act if you so wished but you didn't. So I don't understand how Harris winning now is suddenly going to solve the issue. How does she intend to do that? Just feels like weaponising womens rights when if your womens/abortion rights were as important as potrayed then why not take action in 2022.... Also find it repulsive when people go into long diatribes about how the republicans are going to trample fundamental rights therefore democrats must win; which, even if true, is a ridiculous reason to vilify one side over the other as if there isn’t strong evidence that the democrats are hungry to trample amendment rights too. It largely depends on which rights you deem most valuable as most under threat. |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 5, 2024 13:17:30 GMT
Yeh I just don't appreciate people taking the morale high ground over it. Especially when the Democrats could have considered eliminating the filibuster in senate in 2022 to pass an abortion rights bill if they so wished. But they didn't. So just seems a strange thing to campaign on when you had the ability to pass an act if you so wished but you didn't. So I don't understand how Harris winning now is suddenly going to solve the issue. How does she intend to do that? Just feels like weaponising womens rights when if your womens/abortion rights were as important as potrayed then why not take action in 2022.... Also find it repulsive when people go into long diatribes about how the republicans are going to trample fundamental rights therefore democrats must win; which, even if true, is a ridiculous reason to vilify one side over the other as if there isn’t strong evidence that the democrats are hungry to trample amendment rights too. It largely depends on which rights you deem most valuable as most under threat. Two cheeks of the same arse as far as I'm concerned who both want to attack American rights and serve the interests of the elite. The only guaranteed winner from this election is Israel... the only thing the two parties can unite over. I just hope that like in the UK we see a shift of voters away from Harris/Trump, that will be a win for me. Two huge parry machines bank rolled to oblivion to always serve the interests of their sugar daddy's. |
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Post by Veritas on Nov 5, 2024 13:20:25 GMT
Also find it repulsive when people go into long diatribes about how the republicans are going to trample fundamental rights therefore democrats must win; which, even if true, is a ridiculous reason to vilify one side over the other as if there isn’t strong evidence that the democrats are hungry to trample amendment rights too. It largely depends on which rights you deem most valuable as most under threat. Two cheeks of the same arse as far as I'm concerned who both want to attack American rights and serve the interests of the elite. The only guaranteed winner from this election is Israel... the only thing the two parties can unite over. I just hope that like in the UK we see a shift of voters away from Harris/Trump, that will be a win for me. Two huge parry machines bank rolled to oblivion to always serve the interests of their sugar daddy's. Away from Harris/Trump to who? |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 5, 2024 13:28:27 GMT
Two cheeks of the same arse as far as I'm concerned who both want to attack American rights and serve the interests of the elite. The only guaranteed winner from this election is Israel... the only thing the two parties can unite over. I just hope that like in the UK we see a shift of voters away from Harris/Trump, that will be a win for me. Two huge parry machines bank rolled to oblivion to always serve the interests of their sugar daddy's. Away from Harris/Trump to who? Claudia De La Cruz Jill Stein Cornell West To name a few. Or else the American people will always be in this conundrum of voting the lesser of two evils. Trump to conquer "wokeyness Liberal snowlflakes" or Harris to conquer "Gammons who hate women" or however they swing it with their divisive rhetoric. It's not working anymore and with each passing election people's quality of life gets worse and the country becomes more and more divided. Something both Democrats and republicans are accountable for. I'd be showing both my two fingers and voting for change. Because its the system of voting the lesser of two evil which has got America into the mess it is in today. Its time for something new. |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 5, 2024 13:29:03 GMT
Two cheeks of the same arse as far as I'm concerned who both want to attack American rights and serve the interests of the elite. The only guaranteed winner from this election is Israel... the only thing the two parties can unite over. I just hope that like in the UK we see a shift of voters away from Harris/Trump, that will be a win for me. Two huge parry machines bank rolled to oblivion to always serve the interests of their sugar daddy's. Away from Harris/Trump to who? That would be the Kennedy wierdo, who of course has no sugar daddy or comes from a political machine. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 5, 2024 13:44:07 GMT
I'd vote for Trump. He'd drag my family away and make me beg for child support but Harris isn't an American
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Post by wannabee on Nov 5, 2024 13:57:36 GMT
I've not seen US women take the moral high ground but if you have fair enough It's quite possible for Women to consider several issues at the same time and reasonable to prioritise their Medical Health as the most important issue to them. You think US Women should have different priorities but you have no skin in the game. I haven't mentioned US women once. That's just you. I'm talking about women I've conversed with who have no skin in the game just like you. I'd be considering why the Democrats didn't alter the fillbuster to pass legislation on abortion rights if its so important. Ultimately it was the republicans in 2017 who altered it to get 3 supreme court judges of their liking selected. And it is those 3 supreme court judges who's vote effectively allowed Roe v Wade to be overturned. So if its so important to Harris and Democrats. Why not alter the fillbuster to pass legislation like the republicans did with the supreme court nominations which ultimately then overturned Roe v Wade... I presume part of the reason they didn't is because many Democrat senators were opposed to it and they wouldn't get the simple majority needed to pass it. Some of those senators were elected Democrats for over 20 years. So again that then leads to the question about if Democrats are united on protecting abortion because if we are looking at their actions they greatly differ from their words. All important context and information but not information which is provided when the media report on Roe v Wade. Instead alot of those facts are left out and its weaponised to create division. I had assumed, wrongly, that you were making a relevant point. Initially you said you were frustrated listening to Women discussing Abortion, I again wrongly assumed you meant from the US Media. You then went on to twice reference Voting intentions which the vast majority of people would conclude you to be discussing US Women who actually have an ability to vote. But no you now say its Women in Northern Ireland that you are frustrated with or at least the ones you have had conversations with. Righty-O You are correct to assume the Democrats were unable to change the Senate Voting Rules from 60/40 to a simple Majority. The Democrats currently have a 51/49 Majority but at least 2 Senators Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema are on record as saying they would oppose a move to change the Voting Rules for Abortion Legislation. Surely you respect Legislators who put their principles before Party. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 5, 2024 14:03:29 GMT
Well it's not working at the moment is it so may as well give him a whirl? War in the Middle East and Ukraine isn't ending under the Democrats, we know that. It's not working at the moment because neither we or the Yanks are supplying enough of the artillery and intelligence to really damage Russia. But it would be worse news for Ukraine under Trump, as his strategy for ending the war is just withdrawing support to Ukraine altogether! I appreciate it's a different story for Israel, as I believe Trump isn't fully in their pockets like the Democrats are. Will Trump go harder on Israel and withdraw/limit military support to them as well? Better to give someone a try who will at least make an effort to drive peace in the region. His big ego is great in these circumstances. He will want to be remembered as the President who "stopped WW3". He's already as good as said that. Kamala is a useless dope who is not going to do anything for anyone, bar the hostile trans mob. I'm not even sure she'll be any use to them! |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 5, 2024 14:11:21 GMT
It's not working at the moment because neither we or the Yanks are supplying enough of the artillery and intelligence to really damage Russia. But it would be worse news for Ukraine under Trump, as his strategy for ending the war is just withdrawing support to Ukraine altogether! I appreciate it's a different story for Israel, as I believe Trump isn't fully in their pockets like the Democrats are. Will Trump go harder on Israel and withdraw/limit military support to them as well? Better to give someone a try who will at least make an effort to drive peace in the region. His big ego is great in these circumstances. He will want to be remembered as the President who "stopped WW3". He's already as good as said that. Kamala is a useless dope who is not going to do anything for anyone, bar the hostile trans mob. I'm not even sure she'll be any use to them! He's already had a try. He was that good, they opted to swap him for an apparently useless, senile old man. |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 5, 2024 14:19:23 GMT
I haven't mentioned US women once. That's just you. I'm talking about women I've conversed with who have no skin in the game just like you. I'd be considering why the Democrats didn't alter the fillbuster to pass legislation on abortion rights if its so important. Ultimately it was the republicans in 2017 who altered it to get 3 supreme court judges of their liking selected. And it is those 3 supreme court judges who's vote effectively allowed Roe v Wade to be overturned. So if its so important to Harris and Democrats. Why not alter the fillbuster to pass legislation like the republicans did with the supreme court nominations which ultimately then overturned Roe v Wade... I presume part of the reason they didn't is because many Democrat senators were opposed to it and they wouldn't get the simple majority needed to pass it. Some of those senators were elected Democrats for over 20 years. So again that then leads to the question about if Democrats are united on protecting abortion because if we are looking at their actions they greatly differ from their words. All important context and information but not information which is provided when the media report on Roe v Wade. Instead alot of those facts are left out and its weaponised to create division. I had assumed, wrongly, that you were making a relevant point. Initially you said you were frustrated listening to Women discussing Abortion, I again wrongly assumed you meant from the US Media. You then went on to twice reference Voting intentions which the vast majority of people would conclude you to be discussing US Women who actually have an ability to vote. But no you now say its Women in Northern Ireland that you are frustrated with or at least the ones you have had conversations with. Righty-O You are correct to assume the Democrats were unable to change the Senate Voting Rules from 60/40 to a simple Majority. The Democrats currently have a 51/49 Majority but at least 2 Senators Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema are on record as saying they would oppose a move to change the Voting Rules for Abortion Legislation. Surely you respect Legislators who put their principles before Party. Why is my point not relevant? I haven't mentioned women in Northern Ireland either have I? Why does the location where a women resides change anything on the relevance? I'm allowed to say that it frustrates me to see some women trying to take a morale high ground on the abortion stuff given the Democrats have funded 70% of Israels genocide on 10s of thousands of women and children. So are you telling me the reason the Democrats haven't pushed through laws to protect abortion rights because two senators selected by the democrat party don't support that? Of course I support people putting their principles first. However it does unearth some hypocrisy from within the Democrat party too given the representatives they've selected don't allign with core pledges in their manifesto. So basically the Democrats did have the majority and the powers to push through protections to abortions but they couldn't because some of their own representatives didn't support it. But this is the parry Harris says the American people should vote for to protect women's rights... You see the problem? |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 5, 2024 14:40:36 GMT
Better to give someone a try who will at least make an effort to drive peace in the region. His big ego is great in these circumstances. He will want to be remembered as the President who "stopped WW3". He's already as good as said that. Kamala is a useless dope who is not going to do anything for anyone, bar the hostile trans mob. I'm not even sure she'll be any use to them! He's already had a try. He was that good, they opted to swap him for an apparently useless, senile old man. Where was WW3 when Trump was in power? I must have missed it |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 5, 2024 14:51:01 GMT
I had assumed, wrongly, that you were making a relevant point. Initially you said you were frustrated listening to Women discussing Abortion, I again wrongly assumed you meant from the US Media. You then went on to twice reference Voting intentions which the vast majority of people would conclude you to be discussing US Women who actually have an ability to vote. But no you now say its Women in Northern Ireland that you are frustrated with or at least the ones you have had conversations with. Righty-O You are correct to assume the Democrats were unable to change the Senate Voting Rules from 60/40 to a simple Majority. The Democrats currently have a 51/49 Majority but at least 2 Senators Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema are on record as saying they would oppose a move to change the Voting Rules for Abortion Legislation. Surely you respect Legislators who put their principles before Party. Why is my point not relevant? I haven't mentioned women in Northern Ireland either have I? Why does the location where a women resides change anything on the relevance? I'm allowed to say that it frustrates me to see some women trying to take a morale high ground on the abortion stuff given the Democrats have funded 70% of Israels genocide on 10s of thousands of women and children. So are you telling me the reason the Democrats haven't pushed through laws to protect abortion rights because two senators selected by the democrat party don't support that? Of course I support people putting their principles first. However it does unearth some hypocrisy from within the Democrat party too given the representatives they've selected don't allign with core pledges in their manifesto. So basically the Democrats did have the majority and the powers to push through protections to abortions but they couldn't because some of their own representatives didn't support it. But this is the parry Harris says the American people should vote for to protect women's rights... You see the problem? Because you are creating a logical fallacy that if a woman in Northern Ireland, Timbuktu or US places a higher emphasis on her Medical Health than the Middle East she must be a hypocrite You are making a moral judgement that their priorities are incorrect which is both arrogant and hypocritical as their judgement doesn't affect you. The only people that should make decisions about a women's health are her in consultation with Medical Professionals no matter where she may reside. Women have died in the US since Wade v Roe was overturned mainly the economically disadvantaged because they don't have access to abortion and resorted to home botched methods You see the problem? |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 5, 2024 14:53:31 GMT
He's already had a try. He was that good, they opted to swap him for an apparently useless, senile old man. Where was WW3 when Trump was in power? I must have missed it Technically the same place as it is under Biden - nowhere. |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 5, 2024 15:23:16 GMT
Why is my point not relevant? I haven't mentioned women in Northern Ireland either have I? Why does the location where a women resides change anything on the relevance? I'm allowed to say that it frustrates me to see some women trying to take a morale high ground on the abortion stuff given the Democrats have funded 70% of Israels genocide on 10s of thousands of women and children. So are you telling me the reason the Democrats haven't pushed through laws to protect abortion rights because two senators selected by the democrat party don't support that? Of course I support people putting their principles first. However it does unearth some hypocrisy from within the Democrat party too given the representatives they've selected don't allign with core pledges in their manifesto. So basically the Democrats did have the majority and the powers to push through protections to abortions but they couldn't because some of their own representatives didn't support it. But this is the parry Harris says the American people should vote for to protect women's rights... You see the problem? Because you are creating a logical fallacy that if a woman in Northern Ireland, Timbuktu or US places a higher emphasis on her Medical Health than the Middle East she must be a hypocrite You are making a moral judgement that their priorities are incorrect which is both arrogant and hypocritical as their judgement doesn't affect you. The only people that should make decisions about a women's health are her in consultation with Medical Professionals no matter where she may reside. Women have died in the US since Wade v Roe was overturned mainly the economically disadvantaged because they don't have access to abortion and resorted to home botched methods You see the problem? I'm not doing that at all though. Which candidates in America oppose genocide and also oppose abortion? I'm not aware of them. What you're doing is creating a logical fallacy by alleging that women in Northern Ireland, Timbuktu or USA must not care about their medical health and put higher emphasis on the middle east if they don't support Kamala Harris/Democrats. And that very much is a flawed argument given that the majority of candidates who oppose genocide are also more supportive of womens health than Kamala Harris. You are literally making a moral judgement as you just suggested one line above that those not supporting Harris due to genocide put less emphasis on their health. That is arrogant and hypocritical as their judgement has no impact on you. You are very right that women have died and it could have been prevented. One way that would have been possible would be if the Democrat party with their senate simple majority overuled the fillbuster in senate to push through legislation which protected women - they didn't because two of their elected senators opposed it. So I think it's rather arrogant and hypocritical of yourself to suggest that women who vote for the party - who had the majority and could have pushed through legislation to protect women but didn't because two of their elected candidates opposed it - are the ones prioritising and putting higher emphasis on women's medical health. And those who see through it and vote for alternatives aren't. |
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Post by musik on Nov 5, 2024 15:32:44 GMT
"Human immigration"
What does it mean?
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Post by wannabee on Nov 5, 2024 15:35:14 GMT
Because you are creating a logical fallacy that if a woman in Northern Ireland, Timbuktu or US places a higher emphasis on her Medical Health than the Middle East she must be a hypocrite You are making a moral judgement that their priorities are incorrect which is both arrogant and hypocritical as their judgement doesn't affect you. The only people that should make decisions about a women's health are her in consultation with Medical Professionals no matter where she may reside. Women have died in the US since Wade v Roe was overturned mainly the economically disadvantaged because they don't have access to abortion and resorted to home botched methods You see the problem? I'm not doing that at all though. Which candidates in America oppose genocide and also oppose abortion? I'm not aware of them. What you're doing is creating a logical fallacy by alleging that women in Northern Ireland, Timbuktu or USA must not care about their medical health and put higher emphasis on the middle east if they don't support Kamala Harris/Democrats. And that very much is a flawed argument given that the majority of candidates who oppose genocide are also more supportive of womens health than Kamala Harris. You are literally making a moral judgement as you just suggested one line above that those not supporting Harris due to genocide put less emphasis on their health. That is arrogant and hypocritical as their judgement has no impact on you. You are very right that women have died and it could have been prevented. One way that would have been possible would be if the Democrat party with their senate simple majority overuled the fillbuster in senate to push through legislation which protected women - they didn't because two of their elected senators opposed it. So I think it's rather arrogant and hypocritical of yourself to suggest that women who vote for the party - who had the majority and could have pushed through legislation to protect women but didn't because two of their elected candidates opposed it - are the ones prioritising and putting higher emphasis on women's medical health. And those who see through it and vote for alternatives aren't. US Women's Medical Health has got Fuck All to do with what's happening in the Middle East no matter how much you try and conflate the two separate issues. That's all I have to say. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 5, 2024 15:38:57 GMT
It's not working at the moment because neither we or the Yanks are supplying enough of the artillery and intelligence to really damage Russia. But it would be worse news for Ukraine under Trump, as his strategy for ending the war is just withdrawing support to Ukraine altogether! I appreciate it's a different story for Israel, as I believe Trump isn't fully in their pockets like the Democrats are. Will Trump go harder on Israel and withdraw/limit military support to them as well? Better to give someone a try who will at least make an effort to drive peace in the region. His big ego is great in these circumstances. He will want to be remembered as the President who "stopped WW3". He's already as good as said that. Kamala is a useless dope who is not going to do anything for anyone, bar the hostile trans mob. I'm not even sure she'll be any use to them! I thought you didn't support disarming Ukraine? The republican plan is to blockade Ukraine aid to try and help the dictator kill so many Ukrainians that the democracy breaks. You cannot support Trump and be against the slaughter of Ukrainians. It's like saying you were against Hitler but you would have blocked US supplies to the UK in the 1940s. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 5, 2024 15:55:47 GMT
Final odds are basically 50:50 from 538 and Nate Silver stats models.
Betting market tracker seems closed but the ones I found have Trump as 60% favourite.
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Post by Gawa on Nov 5, 2024 15:59:52 GMT
I'm not doing that at all though. Which candidates in America oppose genocide and also oppose abortion? I'm not aware of them. What you're doing is creating a logical fallacy by alleging that women in Northern Ireland, Timbuktu or USA must not care about their medical health and put higher emphasis on the middle east if they don't support Kamala Harris/Democrats. And that very much is a flawed argument given that the majority of candidates who oppose genocide are also more supportive of womens health than Kamala Harris. You are literally making a moral judgement as you just suggested one line above that those not supporting Harris due to genocide put less emphasis on their health. That is arrogant and hypocritical as their judgement has no impact on you. You are very right that women have died and it could have been prevented. One way that would have been possible would be if the Democrat party with their senate simple majority overuled the fillbuster in senate to push through legislation which protected women - they didn't because two of their elected senators opposed it. So I think it's rather arrogant and hypocritical of yourself to suggest that women who vote for the party - who had the majority and could have pushed through legislation to protect women but didn't because two of their elected candidates opposed it - are the ones prioritising and putting higher emphasis on women's medical health. And those who see through it and vote for alternatives aren't. US Women's Medical Health has got Fuck All to do with what's happening in the Middle East no matter how much you try and conflate the two separate issues. That's all I have to say. In an election whether you like it or not EVERY position of a party is important and open to be scrutinised. Unfortunately for you that does mean if you vote for a party who supports genocide then you also support it no matter what way people try to swing it. And as I said at the very start. People are welcome to vote however they wish. I'm very supportive of freedom of speech and right to express however you wish and vote how you wish. When I was growing up and being taught history we never had the lesson where we were all really sympathetic towards towards the people who voted the Nazis over SDP because of a random policy unrelated to fascism. I imagine history will look back on this period in the same way rather than look for apologism or excuses to justify the support for warmongers. With that said though I do think it's something which should be explored when reading history and we should be trying to understand why people voted the nazis and which conditions led to that. As I imagine many likely voted them not because they were fascists who wanted to exterminate Jews. But likely because they were manipulated by those in power and the media. We all need to be weary of the conditions which resulted in people appeasing fascism and ethnic cleansing and ensure we don't allow it to happen again. Unfortunately like today I imagine many made similar arguments to your own to justify their support of genocide. Unfortunately sometimes two roads can led to the same destination. Sometimes the only way to avoid the destination is to take the unbeaten track. |
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Post by Mendicant on Nov 5, 2024 16:00:50 GMT
I fear Harris will steal it but it will take weeks to confirm. Pennsylvania is a shit show already.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 5, 2024 16:03:36 GMT
Most likely outcome appears to be Harris with the most votes but Trump winning the presidency.
My hope now is that the betting markets have been skewed and the stories about pollsters adjusting their results in favour of Trump are correct. There's been a huge amount of effort gone into promoting bullshit theories on Twitter that the election is being stolen, so Trump and his team have clearly got there ammo ready should they lose. One way of reading that is that the Trump campaign are preparing for a loss, although in truth it is a 'shot to nothing' as if you end up winning you can say it is "despite" the Democrats trying to cheat.
Either way, it's going to be an interesting night.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 5, 2024 16:04:57 GMT
I'm not doing that at all though. Which candidates in America oppose genocide and also oppose abortion? I'm not aware of them. What you're doing is creating a logical fallacy by alleging that women in Northern Ireland, Timbuktu or USA must not care about their medical health and put higher emphasis on the middle east if they don't support Kamala Harris/Democrats. And that very much is a flawed argument given that the majority of candidates who oppose genocide are also more supportive of womens health than Kamala Harris. You are literally making a moral judgement as you just suggested one line above that those not supporting Harris due to genocide put less emphasis on their health. That is arrogant and hypocritical as their judgement has no impact on you. You are very right that women have died and it could have been prevented. One way that would have been possible would be if the Democrat party with their senate simple majority overuled the fillbuster in senate to push through legislation which protected women - they didn't because two of their elected senators opposed it. So I think it's rather arrogant and hypocritical of yourself to suggest that women who vote for the party - who had the majority and could have pushed through legislation to protect women but didn't because two of their elected candidates opposed it - are the ones prioritising and putting higher emphasis on women's medical health. And those who see through it and vote for alternatives aren't. US Women's Medical Health has got Fuck All to do with what's happening in the Middle East no matter how much you try and conflate the two separate issues. That's all I have to say. I don't know about that, apologies for being so crude but cunts are involved in either case. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 5, 2024 16:05:18 GMT
I fear Harris will steal it but it will take weeks to confirm. Pennsylvania is a shit show already. What's going on in Pennsylvania? |
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Post by musik on Nov 5, 2024 16:54:36 GMT
Donald Trump just said on Swedish TV that Kamala Harris has a low IQ.
Has he got any evidence backing up such a statement?
What about her even more interesting EQ?
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