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Post by lordb on Oct 24, 2024 15:12:31 GMT
I know one thing, our security apparatus will be reluctant to share certain secrets with the US if Trump wins. The lunatic is not to be trusted one iota. Another thought. Maybe the EU and UK can start to decouple ourselves from the Yanks. It will take a lot of doing but the rest of The West needs to learn how to stand on our own feet, especially on defence. Trump was right on one thing; quite a number of NATO countries need to pull their weight for our own safety. OS. Really good point that Sharing stuff with Trump is effectively making something utterly unsecure |
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Post by lordb on Oct 24, 2024 15:13:52 GMT
I know one thing, our security apparatus will be reluctant to share certain secrets with the US if Trump wins. The lunatic is not to be trusted one iota. Another thought. Maybe the EU and UK can start to decouple ourselves from the Yanks. It will take a lot of doing but the rest of The West needs to learn how to stand on our own feet, especially on defence. Trump was right on one thing; quite a number of NATO countries need to pull their weight for our own safety. OS. I agree completely with everything you say here OS. I hope yesterday's Trinity House Agreement may be the acorn that begins this process. Hopefully the agreement can be built on with other European nations We may have a future where NATO needs replacing with a purely European equivalent |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 24, 2024 16:27:44 GMT
Don't blame Trump. Blame Kamala for being the worst candidate in American history. If the Democrats had a remotely competent candidate, they would have wiped the floor with DT.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 24, 2024 16:28:37 GMT
I know one thing, our security apparatus will be reluctant to share certain secrets with the US if Trump wins. The lunatic is not to be trusted one iota. Another thought. Maybe the EU and UK can start to decouple ourselves from the Yanks. It will take a lot of doing but the rest of The West needs to learn how to stand on our own feet, especially on defence. Trump was right on one thing; quite a number of NATO countries need to pull their weight for our own safety. OS. Really good point that Sharing stuff with Trump is effectively making something utterly unsecure Is Keir Starmer any more trustworthy than Trump? He's an absolute snake. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 24, 2024 16:32:35 GMT
Her branding Trump a "fascist" feels like a broken woman in some last gasp attempt to try and save herself from what is looking like inevitable defeat.
It's desperation and not a good look. She's a clown.
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Post by hamsta2 on Oct 24, 2024 16:51:21 GMT
Indeed, the only thing I'd disagree with, is that things HAVE changed ... for the worse. The level of corruption is now utterly staggering and then couple that, with a complete dearth of competent politicians today and America is heading for an extremely dark place. Personally I think maybe it's just ever decreasing circles in the sleaze and corruption becoming apparent and it's boiling over quicker and quicker. The South Sea Bubble in 1720 nearly bankrupt the country and because it shut banks, ruined some elites and bankrupt goldsmiths parliament had to act. There was insider trading and collusion all the way up to the Postmaster General and Chancellor. In the recriminations Walpole managed to save the King and a handful of powerful senior cabinet members from impeachment whilst the shareholders of the South Sea Company got asset stripped. The Bubble Act, and similar acts for centuries, were meant to stop insider shitebaggery, corruption and regulating the markets but crashes are occurring more and more frequently. We were still paying for that over 200 years later apparently. |
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Post by wannabee on Oct 24, 2024 17:27:35 GMT
Her branding Trump a "fascist" feels like a broken woman in some last gasp attempt to try and save herself from what is looking like inevitable defeat. It's desperation and not a good look. She's a clown. Harris was quoting John Kelly who was Trump's Chief of Staff during his previous Presidential Term I think this a far worse look |
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Post by lordb on Oct 24, 2024 18:31:19 GMT
Really good point that Sharing stuff with Trump is effectively making something utterly unsecure Is Keir Starmer any more trustworthy than Trump? He's an absolute snake. The simple answer is yes That doesn't mean I trust him Trump is easily the worst politician in the West As such any other western politician no matter how bad is either better or massively better I used to think George W Bush was the stupidist least capable US president we would see,how wrong I was To be fair struggling to think of any decent US Presidents in my lifetime but I'm only in my 50's |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 24, 2024 18:33:30 GMT
Is Keir Starmer any more trustworthy than Trump? He's an absolute snake. The simple answer is yes That doesn't mean I trust him Trump is easily the worst politician in the West As such any other western politician no matter how bad is either better or massively better I used to think George W Bush was the stupidist least capable US president we would see,how wrong I was To be fair struggling to think of any decent US Presidents in my lifetime but I'm only in my 50's Maybe you’ve just got a high bar😉 |
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Post by elystokie on Oct 24, 2024 18:44:00 GMT
Her branding Trump a "fascist" feels like a broken woman in some last gasp attempt to try and save herself from what is looking like inevitable defeat. It's desperation and not a good look. She's a clown. Harris was quoting John Kelly who was Trump's Chief of Staff during his previous Presidential Term I think this a far worse look Who, like the vast majority of Trump's staff from his previous term, around 90%, doesn't think he's fit to be president again. |
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Post by lordb on Oct 24, 2024 18:54:01 GMT
The simple answer is yes That doesn't mean I trust him Trump is easily the worst politician in the West As such any other western politician no matter how bad is either better or massively better I used to think George W Bush was the stupidist least capable US president we would see,how wrong I was To be fair struggling to think of any decent US Presidents in my lifetime but I'm only in my 50's Maybe you’ve just got a high bar😉 Maybe but it's a never ending list of imbeciles,no marks,crooks,dullards and war monsters |
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Post by OldStokie on Oct 24, 2024 18:55:56 GMT
I was watching Stephen Sackur on HARDtalk interviewing the Republican warmonger and Neo-Con John Bolton. Bolton said he wouldn't be voting for Trump or Harris. He basically said that Trump was a complete idiot and a danger to the entire world. I don't like Bolton one bit but he was not wrong when he described Trump as an ideological dummy and not intelligent enough to run a Maccy D's never mind the US.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 24, 2024 19:36:07 GMT
Is Keir Starmer any more trustworthy than Trump? He's an absolute snake. The simple answer is yes That doesn't mean I trust him Trump is easily the worst politician in the West As such any other western politician no matter how bad is either better or massively better I used to think George W Bush was the stupidist least capable US president we would see,how wrong I was To be fair struggling to think of any decent US Presidents in my lifetime but I'm only in my 50's His record is far better than Biden and Obamas to be fair. I don't like the bloke but the US and the world as a whole is a far worse place than it was during his tenure. The US is in a dire state and we are on the brink WW3. What we can say with absolute certainty is Kamala would do nothing to stop wars nor would she improve the lives of ordinary Americans any more so than her predecessor. Trump is an awful candidate but Harris is just appalling. Just listening to what comes out her mouth, it's quite staggeringly dumb. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Oct 24, 2024 20:16:13 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 24, 2024 20:32:47 GMT
Move over The Travelling Wilburys, there’s a new supergroup in town |
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Post by georgeberrysafro on Oct 24, 2024 20:49:58 GMT
The simple answer is yes That doesn't mean I trust him Trump is easily the worst politician in the West As such any other western politician no matter how bad is either better or massively better I used to think George W Bush was the stupidist least capable US president we would see,how wrong I was To be fair struggling to think of any decent US Presidents in my lifetime but I'm only in my 50's His record is far better than Biden and Obamas to be fair. I don't like the bloke but the US and the world as a whole is a far worse place than it was during his tenure. The US is in a dire state and we are on the brink WW3. What we can say with absolute certainty is Kamala would do nothing to stop wars nor would she improve the lives of ordinary Americans any more so than her predecessor. Trump is an awful candidate but Harris is just appalling. Just listening to what comes out her mouth, it's quite staggeringly dumb. He's the worst President in U.S. History. He was seen as a joke outside the US and his record is awful. He has a disdain for democracy, admires openingly autocrats and authoritarians. Priased Kin Jong Un - probably the worst dictatorship on earth, also the Crown Prince of Sadui Arabia (where the Royal Family has spent decades presiding over human rights abuses where the citizens aren't allowed to vote). Became Putin's puppet and still clearly is. Took little time in congratulating authoritarians for winning unfair elections. Withdrew from international agreements and fractured allainaces with international instituions that relied on America's political and finanical support. Pulled out of WHO during a pandemic, also the Paris climate accord. Allowed Iran to speed up the process in making nuclear weapons. Also you forgot he tweeted about North Korea 'My nuclear button is ‘much bigger,’ ‘more powerful’. He's as responsible as anyone for Putin's invasion into the Ukraine. Iran fired missles at US bases under Trumps watch also. The Russia/Ukraine was would have happened if Trump was now in the second term, same with Israel. Trump revoked a policy put in place by Obama that required US officials to publish the number of civilians killed in drone strikes outside of war zones. Obama had 1,878 drone strikes in 8 years in office. Trump carried out 2,243 in his first 2 years in office. There's a reason the doomsday clock nudges closer to midnight when Trump was elected President the first time and if you think he'll come in make the world a peaceful place there's more chance of Stoke winning the league this season. Escalating Inherited Wars — Despite repeated PR stunts, Trump did not “bring the troops home” or “end endless wars.” In fact, Trump consistently added fuel to the fire, increasing troop levels, deepening reliance on private contractors, and dramatically scaling up aerial warfare. Where an end to endless war requires repealing the 2001 and 2002 Authorizations for Use of Military Force, Trump expanded conflicts under both. His term saw four consecutive years of growth of an already out-of-control Pentagon budget. And loosening even the minimal restrictions that were already in place, he expanded the United States’ deadly and unaccountable drone wars. Not only did Trump not end the wars he promised to, he worsened them, dropping more bombs, stoking further conflict, undermining the prospects of peace, and massively increasing the rate of civilian deaths. Trump the anti-war president was always a myth |
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Post by turtlefox on Oct 24, 2024 21:24:44 GMT
He's doing a Joe Rogan podcast on Friday. That could be make or break for the swing states.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 24, 2024 22:13:28 GMT
His record is far better than Biden and Obamas to be fair. I don't like the bloke but the US and the world as a whole is a far worse place than it was during his tenure. The US is in a dire state and we are on the brink WW3. What we can say with absolute certainty is Kamala would do nothing to stop wars nor would she improve the lives of ordinary Americans any more so than her predecessor. Trump is an awful candidate but Harris is just appalling. Just listening to what comes out her mouth, it's quite staggeringly dumb. He's the worst President in U.S. History. He was seen as a joke outside the US and his record is awful. He has a disdain for democracy, admires openingly autocrats and authoritarians. Priased Kin Jong Un - probably the worst dictatorship on earth, also the Crown Prince of Sadui Arabia (where the Royal Family has spent decades presiding over human rights abuses where the citizens aren't allowed to vote). Became Putin's puppet and still clearly is. Took little time in congratulating authoritarians for winning unfair elections. Withdrew from international agreements and fractured allainaces with international instituions that relied on America's political and finanical support. Pulled out of WHO during a pandemic, also the Paris climate accord. Allowed Iran to speed up the process in making nuclear weapons. Also you forgot he tweeted about North Korea 'My nuclear button is ‘much bigger,’ ‘more powerful’. He's as responsible as anyone for Putin's invasion into the Ukraine. Iran fired missles at US bases under Trumps watch also. The Russia/Ukraine was would have happened if Trump was now in the second term, same with Israel. Trump revoked a policy put in place by Obama that required US officials to publish the number of civilians killed in drone strikes outside of war zones. Obama had 1,878 drone strikes in 8 years in office. Trump carried out 2,243 in his first 2 years in office. There's a reason the doomsday clock nudges closer to midnight when Trump was elected President the first time and if you think he'll come in make the world a peaceful place there's more chance of Stoke winning the league this season. Escalating Inherited Wars — Despite repeated PR stunts, Trump did not “bring the troops home” or “end endless wars.” In fact, Trump consistently added fuel to the fire, increasing troop levels, deepening reliance on private contractors, and dramatically scaling up aerial warfare. Where an end to endless war requires repealing the 2001 and 2002 Authorizations for Use of Military Force, Trump expanded conflicts under both. His term saw four consecutive years of growth of an already out-of-control Pentagon budget. And loosening even the minimal restrictions that were already in place, he expanded the United States’ deadly and unaccountable drone wars. Not only did Trump not end the wars he promised to, he worsened them, dropping more bombs, stoking further conflict, undermining the prospects of peace, and massively increasing the rate of civilian deaths. Trump the anti-war president was always a myth😂 Do you actually believe what you've just posted? Total horseshit. How can you possibly suggest Trump is more guilty for war than the current scum bags running the US. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Oct 24, 2024 22:47:08 GMT
Trump is a rapist.
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 24, 2024 23:02:15 GMT
His record is far better than Biden and Obamas to be fair. I don't like the bloke but the US and the world as a whole is a far worse place than it was during his tenure. Can you explain some things he actually did and why you think they were good? Active policies, laws he pushed through, executive branch actions etc that were done because of him Not stuff that anyone would have done & would have happened anyway. "He inherited the peak of the business cycle" is something Clinton would have done. "He signed laws that were passed with veto-proof bipartisan majorities" is something Clinton would have done. Can you name specific things he actually did and explain why you like them? |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 24, 2024 23:07:30 GMT
His record is far better than Biden and Obamas to be fair. I don't like the bloke but the US and the world as a whole is a far worse place than it was during his tenure. Can you explain some things he actually did and why you think they were good? Active policies, laws he pushed through, executive branch actions etc that were done because of him Not stuff that anyone would have done & would have happened anyway. "He inherited the peak of the business cycle" is something Clinton would have done. "He signed laws that were passed with veto-proof bipartisan majorities" is something Clinton would have done. Can you name specific things he actually did and explain why you like them? As shared with you before, see below. trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/You don't need me to explain why I like these accomplishments. Does this mean I think Trump is a nice guy or a decent candidate? No. Do I think he's better than hapless Harris? I mean... What reasoned individual would back an individual and a party that has ran the US into the ground and led the world to the brink of WW3? Trump needs to win. He's a cunt but he's less of a cunt than the alternative. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 24, 2024 23:08:55 GMT
I think you've been reading/listening too much to the BBC mate. Which is ironically the home of rapists and nonces ☺️ |
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Post by wannabee on Oct 24, 2024 23:28:22 GMT
There it is. The likely next Leader of the Free World has been convicted in a Court of Law as being a Rapist. How far have we come. In the E. Jean Carroll versus Donald Trump Trial a Civil jury found that Trump sexually abused her but that she failed to prove he raped her. Trump decided that was a good enough reason to sue Carroll for defamation because she had accused him in her book that he had raped her but his claim was that he ONLY sexually assaulted her Trumps defamation case came before Federal Judge Lewis Kaplan who ruled that in NY State the jury's verdict was "substantially true" because "digital penetration" in that State equates to Rape. What kind of Fucking Scumbag having been convicted of Rape decides, because he can, to take his victim to Court because he wants to quibble over the degree he sexually assaulted her. This Fucker shouldn't be aloud to serve up the Mickey Ds he pretented to do this week never mind become President of the USA, what is wrong with people |
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 24, 2024 23:29:31 GMT
What did he do though? Which of those things are what he did? Can you be specific? The first ten points I read are just taking credit for what was happening anyway. Do you believe that the president has instant and complete control of the economy? If you do, then you must believe that Biden created more jobs than Trump so Biden is better? Or if you don't, and you think it's complicated and lots of things happen, then what they do matters. Not just what they take credit for. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 24, 2024 23:49:41 GMT
I think you've been reading/listening too much to the BBC mate. Which is ironically the home of rapists and nonces ☺️ Trump is a rapist |
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Post by turtlefox on Oct 25, 2024 0:01:42 GMT
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Post by Tom_stokiepmre89 on Oct 25, 2024 0:37:04 GMT
Is this election really worth getting wound up over? For most of us here we have no say in which way it swings. Unless you truly believe it’s existential then I don’t understand the levels of emotional investment.
I personally don’t think there’ll be cause to celebrate either way. The best case scenario is akin to finding a lump, going for a biopsy and finding out it’s only aids.
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Post by wannabee on Oct 25, 2024 0:56:37 GMT
I prefer to rely on what the Judge who precided on the case actually said rather than some hacks reinterpretation of what he said Judge Kaplan's Ruling
Floor Speech By: Ted Lieu Date: July 25, 2023 Location: Washington, DC Mr. LIEU. Mr. Speaker, on July 19, 2023, Federal Judge Lewis Kaplan rejected Donald Trump's request for a new trial and confirmed that Donald Trump raped E. Jean Carroll.I must submit this court ruling into the Congressional Record, and I will read what the judge found. On page 43, the judge wrote: ``Ms. Carroll testified that the sexual assault--the `rape'--of which she accused Mr. Trump involved especially painful, forced digital penetration. . . . '' The judge further writes: ``The testimony of the outcry witnesses, [Mses.] Birnbach and Martin, corroborated the essence of Ms. Carroll's account of a violent, traumatic sexual assault.'' On page 44, the judge wrote: ``The jury's finding of sexual abuse therefore necessarily implies that it found that Mr. Trump forcibly penetrated her vagina.''
The judge further writes: `` . . . in other words, that he raped her. . . . ''Mr. Speaker, Judge Kaplan's memorandum opinion denying defendant's rule 59 motion can be found at: storage.courtlistener.com/ recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.590045/gov.uscourts.nysd.590045.212.0.pdf. justfacts.votesmart.org/public-statement/1656882/judge-kaplans-ruling |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 25, 2024 1:54:59 GMT
What did he do though? Which of those things are what he did? Can you be specific? The first ten points I read are just taking credit for what was happening anyway. Do you believe that the president has instant and complete control of the economy? If you do, then you must believe that Biden created more jobs than Trump so Biden is better? Or if you don't, and you think it's complicated and lots of things happen, then what they do matters. Not just what they take credit for. OK so let's just pretend Trump achieved nothing and all the economical success and comparative world peace was all a fluke. What the fuck has Kamala achieved that makes you so confident she's a better bet than Trump? She's been a catastrophe as VP. Your hatred for Trump is clouding your mind over who is the more competent candidate. You know as well as I do that Harris is an utter clown. You hate Trump, I get it. I don't like him either but for the sake of ending wars and improving the US economy, implementing law and order while tackling their shambolic immigration policy, hes a better bet. Is he a cunt? Yes. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 25, 2024 2:27:48 GMT
Scary stuff (no, not a cult at all) ...
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