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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 23, 2024 19:59:36 GMT
Is it true that he shits himsen? No I don’t, yet. |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Oct 23, 2024 19:59:54 GMT
Is it true that he shits himsen? No I don’t, yet. Tell the truth... |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 23, 2024 20:00:42 GMT
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Oct 23, 2024 20:11:07 GMT
You're not still backing him are you 😅 |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Oct 23, 2024 20:14:23 GMT
I see they're going down the Hitler route again. Yawn.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 23, 2024 20:14:31 GMT
You're not still backing him are you 😅 I aren’t backing anyone. Simply suggesting who I believe will be victorious |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Oct 23, 2024 20:15:29 GMT
You're not still backing him are you 😅 I aren’t backing anyone. Simply suggesting who I believe will be victorious Excellent, at least we've moved away from what the world needed. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 23, 2024 20:15:33 GMT
I see they're going down the Hitler route again. Yawn. I bet even Hitler would be amazed how much he’s still spoken about tbh. Very lazy |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 23, 2024 20:16:07 GMT
I aren’t backing anyone. Simply suggesting who I believe will be victorious Excellent, at least we've moved away from what the world needed. I wouldn’t go that far 😉 |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Oct 23, 2024 20:23:20 GMT
🎤🎤🎤
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Oct 23, 2024 20:30:46 GMT
I see they're going down the Hitler route again. Yawn. I bet even Hitler would be amazed how much he’s still spoken about tbh. Very lazy Hitler wasn't particularly interesting or impressive as a person. Stalin is much more fun to read about. Mao could get more air time too. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 23, 2024 20:33:20 GMT
I bet even Hitler would be amazed how much he’s still spoken about tbh. Very lazy Hitler wasn't particularly interesting or impressive as a person. Stalin is much more fun to read about. Mao could get more air time too. It does need mixing up a bit, people need educating properly |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 24, 2024 8:05:43 GMT
I’m a bigger swinger than you think. Id need someone to go with first 🥲 |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 24, 2024 8:45:37 GMT
So what do we replace it with and how would it be more representative? Or do we just accept defeat? The problem with that though is you're still asking as if there is a potential alternative or we can collectively change anything. History will just rinse repeat - nothing really changes with mankind other than the backdrop. More war, more conflict and whatever and whoever is left picks up the pieces with the victors taking the opportunity to strengthen their power. Possibly revolution where by definition you end up back at square one anyway or internal turmoil as folk come to the boil - Twitter/ social media are bringing folk together and strengthening division in an obvious paradox. Nowt's really changed though other than how/ where folk are communicating with like minded bampots. So basically you don't have a better alternative. Fair enough. Democracy is an imperfect solution in an imperfect world. Personally I'll engage with it in all it's imperfections because no-one is offering a better alternative and the ones on the historical record are far worse. If people choose to be cynical and not engage that's their call but its pointless whinging that nothong changes because that's just a self fulfilling prophecy. |
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Post by elystokie on Oct 24, 2024 9:35:35 GMT
The problem with that though is you're still asking as if there is a potential alternative or we can collectively change anything. History will just rinse repeat - nothing really changes with mankind other than the backdrop. More war, more conflict and whatever and whoever is left picks up the pieces with the victors taking the opportunity to strengthen their power. Possibly revolution where by definition you end up back at square one anyway or internal turmoil as folk come to the boil - Twitter/ social media are bringing folk together and strengthening division in an obvious paradox. Nowt's really changed though other than how/ where folk are communicating with like minded bampots. So basically you don't have a better alternative. Fair enough. Democracy is an imperfect solution in an imperfect world. Personally I'll engage with it in all it's imperfections because no-one is offering a better alternative and the ones on the historical record are far worse. If people choose to be cynical and not engage that's their call but its pointless whinging that nothong changes because that's just a self fulfilling prophecy. We'll see if there's a better solution than democracy if the 🍊🤡 gets in, he's proposing anything but. Didn't turn out too well 85 years ago in Germany mind. |
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Post by Gawa on Oct 24, 2024 10:03:45 GMT
The problem with that though is you're still asking as if there is a potential alternative or we can collectively change anything. History will just rinse repeat - nothing really changes with mankind other than the backdrop. More war, more conflict and whatever and whoever is left picks up the pieces with the victors taking the opportunity to strengthen their power. Possibly revolution where by definition you end up back at square one anyway or internal turmoil as folk come to the boil - Twitter/ social media are bringing folk together and strengthening division in an obvious paradox. Nowt's really changed though other than how/ where folk are communicating with like minded bampots. So basically you don't have a better alternative. Fair enough. Democracy is an imperfect solution in an imperfect world. Personally I'll engage with it in all it's imperfections because no-one is offering a better alternative and the ones on the historical record are far worse. If people choose to be cynical and not engage that's their call but its pointless whinging that nothong changes because that's just a self fulfilling prophecy. My problem with American democracy, personally, is that I don't think the choice is as free as some believe. The choice always comes down to 2 individuals out of a country of millions. And to become one of those two individuals you need alot of money behind you. If the system was as democratic as alleged then I don't think you'd always end up with the same families at the helm. So to me, the democracy feels like a 50/50 choice between two individuals. And if you wish to be one of those two individuals then you need a shit ton of money behind you and alot of political support. I remember looking into it a while ago and the vast majority of presidential candidates over the last few decades have all mostly been (a) a former VP or opposition VP or (b) a relative of a former president, vp or opposition VP. I think Obama was one of the few exceptions in recent years. So to me that's a very controlled system which makes it very difficult for the average person to ever lead the country or stand a chance. And thus I feel the choice is more A or B and to become A or B you need to be pleasing alot of people in Republicans or Democrars and especially their donors because without a shit ton of money you can't run an election campaign. So ultimately who's interests are you serving to be elected? Because without serving the interests of the wealthy and political elite you have zero chance of becoming A or B. I hope I've explained that OK. That's just my take. |
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Post by wannabee on Oct 24, 2024 11:01:17 GMT
As Election date draws nearer the possibility of a Trump victory becomes a probability of a Trump victory.
In 2016 a lot of people believed that he wouldn't follow through on his rhetoric in 2024 we know that he is very likely to do so. It's in his nature to be spiteful and hold grudges and seek to punish those he believes may have slighted him, there's also a legacy to take care of. A 2024 Trump is a far more dangerous and volatile animal than the 2016 version. He now fully understands how the levers of power work and what buttons to push to force through his will. He has now surrounded himself with acolytes as his advisors while in 2016 he appointed seasoned professionals like John Kelly as his Chief of Staff who this week spoke out against Trump because he feels he has no respect for the Constitution and it simply a Dictator
We know how Trump views Putin and American Aid to Ukraine and his opinion of NATO and it's Members so the likely direction of travel on that is well charted. His approach towards Middle East will be more hands off but can hardly be any more anemic than Biden. Yesterday's Trinity House Defense Agreement between Europe's two largest Defense Forces UK and Germany is an overdue acknowledgement that Europe should be in a position to defend itself.
His victory and admiration for Strong Men/Populists/Dictators like Putin, Kim Jong Un, Orban, Erdogan etc will normalise within the Electorate Right Wing thinking and embolden those Party's in UK, France, Germany, Austria etc. I fully accept that that would be popular with some on this MB
Now knowing unlike Trump 2016 that he is very likely to do what he says no matter how crazy the Economic Damage Trump is ready to unleash is potentially devastating. His stated Economic America First Policy is to immediately impose Tariffs of between 10% / 20% on imports from every Country and up to 60% from China. Unlike 2016 when Trump imposed Steel Tariffs on EU (and UK was part of EU) then EU retaliated mildly believing Trump would back down, he didn't, he took it as a sign of weakness and threatened to go further. If Trump follows through this time EU is ready to retaliate hard in Boxing terms look for a knockout blow in the first round to force Trump to negotiate. EU will also have to impose Tariffs on China as the goods previously destined for US will need to find a home. Anyone thinking UK will be exempt is living in cloud cuckooland especially with Trump's newfound friend Elon at his side and UK Service Exports would suffer the most.
"May you live in interesting times"
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Post by Gawa on Oct 24, 2024 11:12:05 GMT
As Election date draws nearer the possibility of a Trump victory becomes a probability of a Trump victory. In 2016 a lot of people believed that he wouldn't follow through on his rhetoric in 2024 we know that he is very likely to do so. It's in his nature to be spiteful and hold grudges and seek to punish those he believes may have slighted him, there's also a legacy to take care of. A 2024 Trump is a far more dangerous and volatile animal than the 2016 version. He now fully understands how the levers of power work and what buttons to push to force through his will. He has now surrounded himself with acolytes as his advisors while in 2016 he appointed seasoned professionals like John Kelly as his Chief of Staff who this week spoke out against Trump because he feels he has no respect for the Constitution and it simply a Dictator We know how Trump views Putin and American Aid to Ukraine and his opinion of NATO and it's Members so the likely direction of travel on that is well charted. His approach towards Middle East will be more hands off but can hardly be any more anemic than Biden. Yesterday's Trinity House Defense Agreement between Europe's two largest Defense Forces UK and Germany is an overdue acknowledgement that Europe should be in a position to defend itself. His victory and admiration for Strong Men/Populists/Dictators like Putin, Kim Jong Un, Orban, Erdogan etc will normalise within the Electorate Right Wing thinking and embolden those Party's in UK, France, Germany, Austria etc. I fully accept that that would be popular with some on this MB Now knowing unlike Trump 2016 that he is very likely to do what he says no matter how crazy the Economic Damage Trump is ready to unleash is potentially devastating. His stated Economic America First Policy is to immediately impose Tariffs of between 10% / 20% on imports from every Country and up to 60% from China. Unlike 2016 when Trump imposed Steel Tariffs on EU (and UK was part of EU) then EU retaliated mildly believing Trump would back down, he didn't, he took it as a sign of weakness and threatened to go further. If Trump follows through this time EU is ready to retaliate hard in Boxing terms look for a knockout blow in the first round to force Trump to negotiate. EU will also have to impose Tariffs on China as the goods previously destined for US will need to find a home. Anyone thinking UK will be exempt is living in cloud cuckooland especially with Trump's newfound friend Elon at his side and UK Service Exports would suffer the most. "May you live in interesting times" Do you think what Trump says in his media interviews about the likes of Putin is reciprocated? I got the impression Putin sees him as an orange buffoon like the rest of the world. He didn't drop any sanctions on Russia as president for instance. Did he do anything to help them? Actions speak louder than words. To me the "special relationship" appears to be something which Trump likes to try and potray to the western media but I don't get any impression the feelings mutual or in anyway reciprocated. What do you think? |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 24, 2024 11:17:01 GMT
So basically you don't have a better alternative. Fair enough. Democracy is an imperfect solution in an imperfect world. Personally I'll engage with it in all it's imperfections because no-one is offering a better alternative and the ones on the historical record are far worse. If people choose to be cynical and not engage that's their call but its pointless whinging that nothong changes because that's just a self fulfilling prophecy. My problem with American democracy, personally, is that I don't think the choice is as free as some believe. The choice always comes down to 2 individuals out of a country of millions. And to become one of those two individuals you need alot of money behind you. If the system was as democratic as alleged then I don't think you'd always end up with the same families at the helm. So to me, the democracy feels like a 50/50 choice between two individuals. And if you wish to be one of those two individuals then you need a shit ton of money behind you and alot of political support. I remember looking into it a while ago and the vast majority of presidential candidates over the last few decades have all mostly been (a) a former VP or opposition VP or (b) a relative of a former president, vp or opposition VP. I think Obama was one of the few exceptions in recent years. So to me that's a very controlled system which makes it very difficult for the average person to ever lead the country or stand a chance. And thus I feel the choice is more A or B and to become A or B you need to be pleasing alot of people in Republicans or Democrars and especially their donors because without a shit ton of money you can't run an election campaign. So ultimately who's interests are you serving to be elected? Because without serving the interests of the wealthy and political elite you have zero chance of becoming A or B. I hope I've explained that OK. That's just my take. Well yes that's all true in terms of the Presedential elections but what is the alternative? The thing about the US system is that the power of the President is moderated by the House of Representatives and the Senate and genuine power is delegated to both State and district level. In many ways the US system is way more democratic than ours where we have an unelected Head of State, an unelected second house, no written constitution and in England at least no regional power or authority. And yes I agree democracy in the US is threatened should Trump win but at the moment it really is too close to call. |
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Post by Gawa on Oct 24, 2024 11:20:17 GMT
My problem with American democracy, personally, is that I don't think the choice is as free as some believe. The choice always comes down to 2 individuals out of a country of millions. And to become one of those two individuals you need alot of money behind you. If the system was as democratic as alleged then I don't think you'd always end up with the same families at the helm. So to me, the democracy feels like a 50/50 choice between two individuals. And if you wish to be one of those two individuals then you need a shit ton of money behind you and alot of political support. I remember looking into it a while ago and the vast majority of presidential candidates over the last few decades have all mostly been (a) a former VP or opposition VP or (b) a relative of a former president, vp or opposition VP. I think Obama was one of the few exceptions in recent years. So to me that's a very controlled system which makes it very difficult for the average person to ever lead the country or stand a chance. And thus I feel the choice is more A or B and to become A or B you need to be pleasing alot of people in Republicans or Democrars and especially their donors because without a shit ton of money you can't run an election campaign. So ultimately who's interests are you serving to be elected? Because without serving the interests of the wealthy and political elite you have zero chance of becoming A or B. I hope I've explained that OK. That's just my take. Well yes that's all true in terms of the Presedential elections but what is the alternative? The thing about the US system is that the power of the President is moderated by the House of Representatives and the Senate and genuine power is delegated to both State and district level. In many ways the US system is way more democratic than ours where we have an unelected Head of State, an unelected second house, no written constitution and in England at least no regional power or authority. And yes I agree democracy in the US is threatened should Trump win but at the moment it really is too close to call. Oh I know I don't have an alternative proposition and I imagine any alternative will likely expose similar cracks. But if I'm honest with myself that's my biggest problem with it. Those who rise to be the top of the parties feels a bit more artificial than organic if that makes sense? I think compared to our system there certainly are benefits. However I'd say likewise some of our stuff is also better than theirs too. I prefer that we aren't as dominated by 2 main parties compared to the USA. Although I'd say we are still dominated by them... at least there does seem to be a window, albeit small, for alternatives. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 24, 2024 11:20:22 GMT
As Election date draws nearer the possibility of a Trump victory becomes a probability of a Trump victory. In 2016 a lot of people believed that he wouldn't follow through on his rhetoric in 2024 we know that he is very likely to do so. It's in his nature to be spiteful and hold grudges and seek to punish those he believes may have slighted him, there's also a legacy to take care of. A 2024 Trump is a far more dangerous and volatile animal than the 2016 version. He now fully understands how the levers of power work and what buttons to push to force through his will. He has now surrounded himself with acolytes as his advisors while in 2016 he appointed seasoned professionals like John Kelly as his Chief of Staff who this week spoke out against Trump because he feels he has no respect for the Constitution and it simply a Dictator We know how Trump views Putin and American Aid to Ukraine and his opinion of NATO and it's Members so the likely direction of travel on that is well charted. His approach towards Middle East will be more hands off but can hardly be any more anemic than Biden. Yesterday's Trinity House Defense Agreement between Europe's two largest Defense Forces UK and Germany is an overdue acknowledgement that Europe should be in a position to defend itself. His victory and admiration for Strong Men/Populists/Dictators like Putin, Kim Jong Un, Orban, Erdogan etc will normalise within the Electorate Right Wing thinking and embolden those Party's in UK, France, Germany, Austria etc. I fully accept that that would be popular with some on this MB Now knowing unlike Trump 2016 that he is very likely to do what he says no matter how crazy the Economic Damage Trump is ready to unleash is potentially devastating. His stated Economic America First Policy is to immediately impose Tariffs of between 10% / 20% on imports from every Country and up to 60% from China. Unlike 2016 when Trump imposed Steel Tariffs on EU (and UK was part of EU) then EU retaliated mildly believing Trump would back down, he didn't, he took it as a sign of weakness and threatened to go further. If Trump follows through this time EU is ready to retaliate hard in Boxing terms look for a knockout blow in the first round to force Trump to negotiate. EU will also have to impose Tariffs on China as the goods previously destined for US will need to find a home. Anyone thinking UK will be exempt is living in cloud cuckooland especially with Trump's newfound friend Elon at his side and UK Service Exports would suffer the most. "May you live in interesting times" I think the phrase is "may tou live in uninteresting times". It's meant as a blessing, not a threat |
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Post by wannabee on Oct 24, 2024 11:55:04 GMT
As Election date draws nearer the possibility of a Trump victory becomes a probability of a Trump victory. In 2016 a lot of people believed that he wouldn't follow through on his rhetoric in 2024 we know that he is very likely to do so. It's in his nature to be spiteful and hold grudges and seek to punish those he believes may have slighted him, there's also a legacy to take care of. A 2024 Trump is a far more dangerous and volatile animal than the 2016 version. He now fully understands how the levers of power work and what buttons to push to force through his will. He has now surrounded himself with acolytes as his advisors while in 2016 he appointed seasoned professionals like John Kelly as his Chief of Staff who this week spoke out against Trump because he feels he has no respect for the Constitution and it simply a Dictator We know how Trump views Putin and American Aid to Ukraine and his opinion of NATO and it's Members so the likely direction of travel on that is well charted. His approach towards Middle East will be more hands off but can hardly be any more anemic than Biden. Yesterday's Trinity House Defense Agreement between Europe's two largest Defense Forces UK and Germany is an overdue acknowledgement that Europe should be in a position to defend itself. His victory and admiration for Strong Men/Populists/Dictators like Putin, Kim Jong Un, Orban, Erdogan etc will normalise within the Electorate Right Wing thinking and embolden those Party's in UK, France, Germany, Austria etc. I fully accept that that would be popular with some on this MB Now knowing unlike Trump 2016 that he is very likely to do what he says no matter how crazy the Economic Damage Trump is ready to unleash is potentially devastating. His stated Economic America First Policy is to immediately impose Tariffs of between 10% / 20% on imports from every Country and up to 60% from China. Unlike 2016 when Trump imposed Steel Tariffs on EU (and UK was part of EU) then EU retaliated mildly believing Trump would back down, he didn't, he took it as a sign of weakness and threatened to go further. If Trump follows through this time EU is ready to retaliate hard in Boxing terms look for a knockout blow in the first round to force Trump to negotiate. EU will also have to impose Tariffs on China as the goods previously destined for US will need to find a home. Anyone thinking UK will be exempt is living in cloud cuckooland especially with Trump's newfound friend Elon at his side and UK Service Exports would suffer the most. "May you live in interesting times" I think the phrase is "may tou live in uninteresting times". It's meant as a blessing, not a threat On the contrary it is accepted to mean times of trouble If was first used by Robert Kennedy in 1966 who incorrectly attributed it as a translation of a Chinese Curse but no original source could be found. |
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Post by wannabee on Oct 24, 2024 12:44:21 GMT
As Election date draws nearer the possibility of a Trump victory becomes a probability of a Trump victory. In 2016 a lot of people believed that he wouldn't follow through on his rhetoric in 2024 we know that he is very likely to do so. It's in his nature to be spiteful and hold grudges and seek to punish those he believes may have slighted him, there's also a legacy to take care of. A 2024 Trump is a far more dangerous and volatile animal than the 2016 version. He now fully understands how the levers of power work and what buttons to push to force through his will. He has now surrounded himself with acolytes as his advisors while in 2016 he appointed seasoned professionals like John Kelly as his Chief of Staff who this week spoke out against Trump because he feels he has no respect for the Constitution and it simply a Dictator We know how Trump views Putin and American Aid to Ukraine and his opinion of NATO and it's Members so the likely direction of travel on that is well charted. His approach towards Middle East will be more hands off but can hardly be any more anemic than Biden. Yesterday's Trinity House Defense Agreement between Europe's two largest Defense Forces UK and Germany is an overdue acknowledgement that Europe should be in a position to defend itself. His victory and admiration for Strong Men/Populists/Dictators like Putin, Kim Jong Un, Orban, Erdogan etc will normalise within the Electorate Right Wing thinking and embolden those Party's in UK, France, Germany, Austria etc. I fully accept that that would be popular with some on this MB Now knowing unlike Trump 2016 that he is very likely to do what he says no matter how crazy the Economic Damage Trump is ready to unleash is potentially devastating. His stated Economic America First Policy is to immediately impose Tariffs of between 10% / 20% on imports from every Country and up to 60% from China. Unlike 2016 when Trump imposed Steel Tariffs on EU (and UK was part of EU) then EU retaliated mildly believing Trump would back down, he didn't, he took it as a sign of weakness and threatened to go further. If Trump follows through this time EU is ready to retaliate hard in Boxing terms look for a knockout blow in the first round to force Trump to negotiate. EU will also have to impose Tariffs on China as the goods previously destined for US will need to find a home. Anyone thinking UK will be exempt is living in cloud cuckooland especially with Trump's newfound friend Elon at his side and UK Service Exports would suffer the most. "May you live in interesting times" Do you think what Trump says in his media interviews about the likes of Putin is reciprocated? I got the impression Putin sees him as an orange buffoon like the rest of the world. He didn't drop any sanctions on Russia as president for instance. Did he do anything to help them? Actions speak louder than words. To me the "special relationship" appears to be something which Trump likes to try and potray to the western media but I don't get any impression the feelings mutual or in anyway reciprocated. What do you think? I expect Putin thinks Trump is very useful to him, idiot or otherwise The whole point of sanctions whether you agree with them or not is to isolate Putin and make life uncomfortable from him and the Oligarchs that support him. We've just had the BRICS Summit where 36 World Leaders attended including Guterres the Head of UN, Erdogan a NATO Member, China who Lammy has just visited to cozy up to, India who the previous Government were desperate to do s Trade Agreement with although Labour are more lukewarm, Iran nothing to add, the PLO, South After and various other eclectic attendees. I don't think Kim Jong Un made it but had his own summit with Putin last month but he has sent Troops instead to fight against Ukraine. A sub part of the agenda was to explore ways to reduce transactions in SWIFT/$ to an alternative currency, a subject you have touched on recently. None of the attendees would be supportive of Israel, far from it but conversely they by default would and have supported Russia against Ukraine. This poses a very real threat to Europe if you don't think Putin is going to stop at the Ukraine border especially with an uncommitted US towards NATO. Purely from a selfish UK Economic and Security point of view it has to pick a side which is hardly likely to be BRICS, it has rebuffed EU and a Trump US will not be a friend as a "Special Relationship" never existed other to the deluded or when it served US interests there might be crumbs that fall from the table. UK can not play with the Big Boys Economically like US, China, India and the EU Bloc. It is only in the nostalgic minds of those who may hark back to Empire that somehow UK has some level of "Soft Power" The debacle that is currently happening in the Commonwealth Conference is another example of that. Apologies if I went off at a tangent |
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Post by noustie on Oct 24, 2024 12:50:12 GMT
The problem with that though is you're still asking as if there is a potential alternative or we can collectively change anything. History will just rinse repeat - nothing really changes with mankind other than the backdrop. More war, more conflict and whatever and whoever is left picks up the pieces with the victors taking the opportunity to strengthen their power. Possibly revolution where by definition you end up back at square one anyway or internal turmoil as folk come to the boil - Twitter/ social media are bringing folk together and strengthening division in an obvious paradox. Nowt's really changed though other than how/ where folk are communicating with like minded bampots. So basically you don't have a better alternative. Fair enough. Democracy is an imperfect solution in an imperfect world. Personally I'll engage with it in all it's imperfections because no-one is offering a better alternative and the ones on the historical record are far worse. If people choose to be cynical and not engage that's their call but its pointless whinging that nothong changes because that's just a self fulfilling prophecy. Apologies for not offering a solution to the fallacy of democracy across the developed world within the confines of five or six paragraphs of a football forum but it was a pretty busy day my side yesterday. However, suggesting doing the same thing over and over again and expecting differing results is illustrative of insanity surely? Basically, for me the solution isn’t possible until those involved in the continuing farce realise there is a problem in the first place – until then we’re just voting on puppets with different colour rosettes and expecting anything to change. For argument sake, say Reform romp the next election does anyone seriously think the system or outcomes will change dramatically? Much like the SNP they’ll turn into troughing shitebags within 2 terms as careerists replace ideologists with increasingly empty soundbites being about the sum total as they get replaced by the next bandwagon. We’re getting to the point where companies and commercial interests are far more powerful than the political will of the population especially how passive we are. Private equity sloshing about the system is equivalent to the annual GDP of Japan. Remember reading a few years back too that if you list a top 100 of annual turnover companies vs countries there would be 70 companies vs 30 countries in the league table. It’s not just the act of voting that’s a façade for me but the façade that governments are actually in control too. |
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Post by Gawa on Oct 24, 2024 12:51:40 GMT
Do you think what Trump says in his media interviews about the likes of Putin is reciprocated? I got the impression Putin sees him as an orange buffoon like the rest of the world. He didn't drop any sanctions on Russia as president for instance. Did he do anything to help them? Actions speak louder than words. To me the "special relationship" appears to be something which Trump likes to try and potray to the western media but I don't get any impression the feelings mutual or in anyway reciprocated. What do you think? I expect Putin thinks Trump is very useful to him, idiot or otherwise The whole point of sanctions whether you agree with them or not is to isolate Putin and make life uncomfortable from him and the Oligarchs that support him. We've just had the BRICS Summit where 36 World Leaders attended including Guterres the Head of UN, Erdogan a NATO Member, China who Lammy has just visited to cozy up to, India who the previous Government were desperate to do s Trade Agreement with although Labour are more lukewarm, Iran nothing to add, the PLO, South After and various other eclectic attendees. I don't think Kim Jong Un made it but had his own summit with Putin last month but he has sent Troops instead to fight against Ukraine. A sub part of the agenda was to explore ways to reduce transactions in SWIFT/$ to an alternative currency, a subject you have touched on recently. None of the attendees would be supportive of Israel, far from it but conversely they by default would and have supported Russia against Ukraine. This poses a very real threat to Europe if you don't think Putin is going to stop at the Ukraine border especially with an uncommitted US towards NATO. Purely from a selfish UK Economic and Security point of view it has to pick a side which is hardly likely to be BRICS, it has rebuffed EU and a Trump US will not be a friend as a "Special Relationship" never existed other to the deluded or when it served US interests there might be crumbs that fall from the table. UK can not play with the Big Boys Economically like US, China, India and the EU Bloc. It is only in the nostalgic minds of those who may hark back to Empire that somehow UK has some level of "Soft Power" The debacle that is currently happening in the Commonwealth Conference is another example of that. Apologies if I went off at a tangent Don't apologise its a very good and informative answer. We may not agree on everything but I appreciate the effort put into the reply and gaining a different perspective or view on things. And I agree with a number of things said there too. |
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Post by OldStokie on Oct 24, 2024 13:01:27 GMT
I know one thing, our security apparatus will be reluctant to share certain secrets with the US if Trump wins. The lunatic is not to be trusted one iota. Another thought. Maybe the EU and UK can start to decouple ourselves from the Yanks. It will take a lot of doing but the rest of The West needs to learn how to stand on our own feet, especially on defence. Trump was right on one thing; quite a number of NATO countries need to pull their weight for our own safety.
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Post by wannabee on Oct 24, 2024 13:09:27 GMT
I know one thing, our security apparatus will be reluctant to share certain secrets with the US if Trump wins. The lunatic is not to be trusted one iota. Another thought. Maybe the EU and UK can start to decouple ourselves from the Yanks. It will take a lot of doing but the rest of The West needs to learn how to stand on our own feet, especially on defence. Trump was right on one thing; quite a number of NATO countries need to pull their weight for our own safety. OS. I agree completely with everything you say here OS. I hope yesterday's Trinity House Agreement may be the acorn that begins this process. |
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Post by georgeberrysafro on Oct 24, 2024 13:50:05 GMT
As Election date draws nearer the possibility of a Trump victory becomes a probability of a Trump victory. In 2016 a lot of people believed that he wouldn't follow through on his rhetoric in 2024 we know that he is very likely to do so. It's in his nature to be spiteful and hold grudges and seek to punish those he believes may have slighted him, there's also a legacy to take care of. A 2024 Trump is a far more dangerous and volatile animal than the 2016 version. He now fully understands how the levers of power work and what buttons to push to force through his will. He has now surrounded himself with acolytes as his advisors while in 2016 he appointed seasoned professionals like John Kelly as his Chief of Staff who this week spoke out against Trump because he feels he has no respect for the Constitution and it simply a Dictator We know how Trump views Putin and American Aid to Ukraine and his opinion of NATO and it's Members so the likely direction of travel on that is well charted. His approach towards Middle East will be more hands off but can hardly be any more anemic than Biden. Yesterday's Trinity House Defense Agreement between Europe's two largest Defense Forces UK and Germany is an overdue acknowledgement that Europe should be in a position to defend itself. His victory and admiration for Strong Men/Populists/Dictators like Putin, Kim Jong Un, Orban, Erdogan etc will normalise within the Electorate Right Wing thinking and embolden those Party's in UK, France, Germany, Austria etc. I fully accept that that would be popular with some on this MB Now knowing unlike Trump 2016 that he is very likely to do what he says no matter how crazy the Economic Damage Trump is ready to unleash is potentially devastating. His stated Economic America First Policy is to immediately impose Tariffs of between 10% / 20% on imports from every Country and up to 60% from China. Unlike 2016 when Trump imposed Steel Tariffs on EU (and UK was part of EU) then EU retaliated mildly believing Trump would back down, he didn't, he took it as a sign of weakness and threatened to go further. If Trump follows through this time EU is ready to retaliate hard in Boxing terms look for a knockout blow in the first round to force Trump to negotiate. EU will also have to impose Tariffs on China as the goods previously destined for US will need to find a home. Anyone thinking UK will be exempt is living in cloud cuckooland especially with Trump's newfound friend Elon at his side and UK Service Exports would suffer the most. "May you live in interesting times" I still can't believe the orange clown doesn't understand how tariffs work - even Prance has repeatedly got it wrong, and it's not that hard. The clown did it last time with washing machines (their price increased 12% due to his tarifs). However, those impacted the most were farmers who lost billions due to his tariffs. I've had my US Citizenship for a while now and worked within the U.S. Deparment of Agriculture (indirectly and no longer) and he royaly f#%ked the farmers in the US. He's hated across the rural communites he destroyed and many wont vote for him again, problem is they aren't significant numbers compared to the core cult MAGA voter that drools over his every ramble. I guess this is what happens when you have an overmedicated and undereducated society and MAGA that's only ever driven division and lies, and the continued misconception about what the 'American Dream' actually is. Then don't get me started on the impact of social media and people believing bulls%$t. His flimsy economic plan he has now has already been reviewed by experts and they all agree it'll cause inflation and major issues for the economy and add trillions to the deficit. His impact on the National Debt last time will impact the US for years to come and his new plan would add $4 trillon more to the US debt compared the the Democrate plan. I've seen a few post saying Kamala is the same, is she f#$k. It's just a bunch of snowflakes being trigger by the posibilty of a black women becoming president. The GOP will soon lose any of the tradiational values it has. As they say, every Empire eventually falls and the USA is due. U.S. Farmers Lost Billions to Trump-Era Retaliatory TariffsMcConnell says ‘MAGA movement is completely wrong’ and Reagan ‘wouldn’t recognize’ Trump’s GOP |
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Post by wannabee on Oct 24, 2024 14:15:13 GMT
As Election date draws nearer the possibility of a Trump victory becomes a probability of a Trump victory. In 2016 a lot of people believed that he wouldn't follow through on his rhetoric in 2024 we know that he is very likely to do so. It's in his nature to be spiteful and hold grudges and seek to punish those he believes may have slighted him, there's also a legacy to take care of. A 2024 Trump is a far more dangerous and volatile animal than the 2016 version. He now fully understands how the levers of power work and what buttons to push to force through his will. He has now surrounded himself with acolytes as his advisors while in 2016 he appointed seasoned professionals like John Kelly as his Chief of Staff who this week spoke out against Trump because he feels he has no respect for the Constitution and it simply a Dictator We know how Trump views Putin and American Aid to Ukraine and his opinion of NATO and it's Members so the likely direction of travel on that is well charted. His approach towards Middle East will be more hands off but can hardly be any more anemic than Biden. Yesterday's Trinity House Defense Agreement between Europe's two largest Defense Forces UK and Germany is an overdue acknowledgement that Europe should be in a position to defend itself. His victory and admiration for Strong Men/Populists/Dictators like Putin, Kim Jong Un, Orban, Erdogan etc will normalise within the Electorate Right Wing thinking and embolden those Party's in UK, France, Germany, Austria etc. I fully accept that that would be popular with some on this MB Now knowing unlike Trump 2016 that he is very likely to do what he says no matter how crazy the Economic Damage Trump is ready to unleash is potentially devastating. His stated Economic America First Policy is to immediately impose Tariffs of between 10% / 20% on imports from every Country and up to 60% from China. Unlike 2016 when Trump imposed Steel Tariffs on EU (and UK was part of EU) then EU retaliated mildly believing Trump would back down, he didn't, he took it as a sign of weakness and threatened to go further. If Trump follows through this time EU is ready to retaliate hard in Boxing terms look for a knockout blow in the first round to force Trump to negotiate. EU will also have to impose Tariffs on China as the goods previously destined for US will need to find a home. Anyone thinking UK will be exempt is living in cloud cuckooland especially with Trump's newfound friend Elon at his side and UK Service Exports would suffer the most. "May you live in interesting times" I still can't believe the orange clown doesn't understand how tariffs work - even Prance has repeatedly got it wrong, and it's not that hard. The clown did it last time with washing machines (their price increased 12% due to his tarifs). However, those impacted the most were farmers who lost billions due to his tariffs. I've had my US Citizenship for a while now and worked within the U.S. Deparment of Agriculture (indirectly and no longer) and he royaly f#%ked the farmers in the US. He's hated across the rural communites he destroyed and many wont vote for him again, problem is they aren't significant numbers compared to the core cult MAGA voter that drools over his every ramble. I guess this is what happens when you have an overmedicated and undereducated society and MAGA that's only ever driven division and lies, and the continued misconception about what the 'American Dream' actually is. Then don't get me started on the impact of social media and people believing bulls%$t. His flimsy economic plan he has now has already been reviewed by experts and they all agree it'll cause inflation and major issues for the economy and add trillions to the deficit. His impact on the National Debt last time will impact the US for years to come and his new plan would add $4 trillon more to the US debt compared the the Democrate plan. I've seen a few post saying Kamala is the same, is she f#$k. It's just a bunch of snowflakes being trigger by the posibilty of a black women becoming president. The GOP will soon lose any of the tradiational values it has. As they say, every Empire eventually falls and the USA is due. U.S. Farmers Lost Billions to Trump-Era Retaliatory TariffsMcConnell says ‘MAGA movement is completely wrong’ and Reagan ‘wouldn’t recognize’ Trump’s GOPTrump's ego won't allow him to recognize that his MAGAnomics doesn't work but he can do a huge amount of damage around the world as a disruptor Staying on the Agricultural theme the Trump's stupidity resulted in supports to Farmers outweighed many departments and agencies A guy that has gone Bankrupt 6 times wants to rewrite the Rules because he knows how to do s Deal, Asshole. www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2020/01/21/trump-tariff-aid-to-farmers-cost-more-than-us-nuclear-forces/ |
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Post by noustie on Oct 24, 2024 14:16:08 GMT
The problem with that though is you're still asking as if there is a potential alternative or we can collectively change anything. History will just rinse repeat - nothing really changes with mankind other than the backdrop. More war, more conflict and whatever and whoever is left picks up the pieces with the victors taking the opportunity to strengthen their power. Possibly revolution where by definition you end up back at square one anyway or internal turmoil as folk come to the boil - Twitter/ social media are bringing folk together and strengthening division in an obvious paradox. Nowt's really changed though other than how/ where folk are communicating with like minded bampots. Indeed, the only thing I'd disagree with, is that things HAVE changed ... for the worse. The level of corruption is now utterly staggering and then couple that, with a complete dearth of competent politicians today and America is heading for an extremely dark place. Personally I think maybe it's just ever decreasing circles in the sleaze and corruption becoming apparent and it's boiling over quicker and quicker. The South Sea Bubble in 1720 nearly bankrupt the country and because it shut banks, ruined some elites and bankrupt goldsmiths parliament had to act. There was insider trading and collusion all the way up to the Postmaster General and Chancellor. In the recriminations Walpole managed to save the King and a handful of powerful senior cabinet members from impeachment whilst the shareholders of the South Sea Company got asset stripped. The Bubble Act, and similar acts for centuries, were meant to stop insider shitebaggery, corruption and regulating the markets but crashes are occurring more and more frequently. |
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