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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 12, 2024 11:52:26 GMT
So the debate was rigged in Harris's favour but he still won by a landslide 🤔 If a prize fighter wins a fight the loser always wants a rematch is his excuse for not accepting a second debate 🤔 Immediately after the Biden debate Trump was asking for a second one 🤔 That's without getting into all the other bollocks he spouted 😂 That really is an excellent analysis and nails it to a tee. He's a 78 year old baby without an ounce of self awareness. That's it. He's a cry baby . He's never been accountable for anything before. He doesn't understand fundamental human characteristics. He sees empathy as a weakness and compassionate as a flaw. But the people who want to make America hate again give him a base from which to pedal his filth
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Post by elystokie on Sept 12, 2024 11:52:37 GMT
How anyone can be entrenched on either side baffles me like! Don't really get the outrage at Haitians scoffing pets either being honest - there's a town of 60k folk in total in Ohio made up of 15k Haitian refugees. To suggest they're not eating local wildlife sounds even more batshit mental than suggesting they are to me. I’m not sure him saying “they’re eating the pets of the people who live there” is the same as them eating local wildlife. And they talk like the Haitians arrived uninvited when there was actually a program to get them there because of work opportunities 🤦
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Post by gawa on Sept 12, 2024 11:56:50 GMT
Lol
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Post by gawa on Sept 12, 2024 12:04:10 GMT
Nobody else completely and utterly depressed by the excitement some have over Kamala Harris?
Is being better than Trump enough for Americans now? The bar is that low that all you need to be is someone not called Donald Trump.
If you're ashamed of what is happening in Palestine right now and Harris excites you... then you're not one bit ashamed. You're complicit.
The saddest thing about it all is I genuinely believe there is more chance of peace in at least one of these wars anytime soon under Trump than under Harris. That's not me supporting Trump (can't stand him) but it emphasises how much a warmonger Harris and the Democrats are.
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Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 12, 2024 12:14:42 GMT
Nobody else completely and utterly depressed by the excitement some have over Kamala Harris? Is being better than Trump enough for Americans now? The bar is that low that all you need to be is someone not called Donald Trump. If you're ashamed of what is happening in Palestine right now and Harris excites you... then you're not one bit ashamed. You're complicit. The saddest thing about it all is I genuinely believe there is more chance of peace in at least one of these wars anytime soon under Trump than under Harris. That's not me supporting Trump (can't stand him) but it emphasises how much a warmonger Harris and the Democrats are. Rather ironically, Trump is a dangerous man who, not unlike Jeremy Corbyn, thinks simple solutions apply to complex diplomatic issues. Trump has his allies. Trump doesn't want Ukraine to win the conflict with Russia as he doesn't like NATO because he sees it as a vehicle for European defence (which, by the way, it is). Trump doesn't want Palestine to get any more recognition than it already has because of the potential jeopardy peace would give to US arms deals with Israel. The Democrats aren't warmongers - historically that's the job of the Hawks in the Republican Party.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 12, 2024 12:15:40 GMT
Nobody else completely and utterly depressed by the excitement some have over Kamala Harris? Is being better than Trump enough for Americans now? The bar is that low that all you need to be is someone not called Donald Trump. If you're ashamed of what is happening in Palestine right now and Harris excites you... then you're not one bit ashamed. You're complicit. The saddest thing about it all is I genuinely believe there is more chance of peace in at least one of these wars anytime soon under Trump than under Harris. That's not me supporting Trump (can't stand him) but it emphasises how much a warmonger Harris and the Democrats are. I know what you mean. It does suggest a lack of ambition for their nation
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 12, 2024 12:35:44 GMT
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Post by gawa on Sept 12, 2024 12:47:13 GMT
Nobody else completely and utterly depressed by the excitement some have over Kamala Harris? Is being better than Trump enough for Americans now? The bar is that low that all you need to be is someone not called Donald Trump. If you're ashamed of what is happening in Palestine right now and Harris excites you... then you're not one bit ashamed. You're complicit. The saddest thing about it all is I genuinely believe there is more chance of peace in at least one of these wars anytime soon under Trump than under Harris. That's not me supporting Trump (can't stand him) but it emphasises how much a warmonger Harris and the Democrats are. Rather ironically, Trump is a dangerous man who, not unlike Jeremy Corbyn, thinks simple solutions apply to complex diplomatic issues. Trump has his allies. Trump doesn't want Ukraine to win the conflict with Russia as he doesn't like NATO because he sees it as a vehicle for European defence (which, by the way, it is). Trump doesn't want Palestine to get any more recognition than it already has because of the potential jeopardy peace would give to US arms deals with Israel. The Democrats aren't warmongers - historically that's the job of the Hawks in the Republican Party. The most simple of solutions is continuing to do the same thing and calling it "change". The fact you've quoted me and challenged me suggests you disagree and think there is reason for excitement under Harris. Good luck with that. To be fair though only yesterday you were defending pensioners on 11.5k a year losing a winter Fuel allowance and claiming anyone on the left wing criticising it is falling for tory propoganda 🤣. So I guess it must just be too complex for people like me to understand how pensioners on 11.5k don't need any help (or 9k if part of a couple). Luckily we have intellectuals like you to keep us on the straight and narrow about these complex solutions.
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 12, 2024 14:42:07 GMT
Saw some complaints about moderator's being too favourable to Trump in the debate. Apparently he was given the last word on every topic and was allowed to interrupt to do so over 10 times?
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Post by Mason_Stokie on Sept 12, 2024 14:46:02 GMT
Saw some complaints about moderator's being too favourable to Trump in the debate. Apparently he was given the last word on every topic and was allowed to interrupt to do so over 10 times? Correct. You may also have heard - Kamala was given the questions pre-debate - Kamala's earrings were actually ear pieces and she was being fed answers Seems a sure sign that the Trump camp know their man was well beaten.
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 12, 2024 15:03:36 GMT
Saw some complaints about moderator's being too favourable to Trump in the debate. Apparently he was given the last word on every topic and was allowed to interrupt to do so over 10 times? Correct. You may also have heard - Kamala was given the questions pre-debate - Kamala's earrings were actually ear pieces and she was being fed answers Seems a sure sign that the Trump camp know their man was well beaten. And some comment says Kamala tried to interrupt to do the same but was harshly put down? Is that accurate?
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Post by vamborools on Sept 12, 2024 15:56:30 GMT
Nobody else completely and utterly depressed by the excitement some have over Kamala Harris? Is being better than Trump enough for Americans now? The bar is that low that all you need to be is someone not called Donald Trump. If you're ashamed of what is happening in Palestine right now and Harris excites you... then you're not one bit ashamed. You're complicit. The saddest thing about it all is I genuinely believe there is more chance of peace in at least one of these wars anytime soon under Trump than under Harris. That's not me supporting Trump (can't stand him) but it emphasises how much a warmonger Harris and the Democrats are. Rather ironically, Trump is a dangerous man who, not unlike Jeremy Corbyn, thinks simple solutions apply to complex diplomatic issues. Trump has his allies. Trump doesn't want Ukraine to win the conflict with Russia as he doesn't like NATO because he sees it as a vehicle for European defence (which, by the way, it is). Trump doesn't want Palestine to get any more recognition than it already has because of the potential jeopardy peace would give to US arms deals with Israel. The Democrats aren't warmongers - historically that's the job of the Hawks in the Republican Party. Not me mate, there's enough going on over here to get depressed about without worrying about what them pair of twats are up to
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Sept 12, 2024 16:17:26 GMT
Correct. You may also have heard - Kamala was given the questions pre-debate - Kamala's earrings were actually ear pieces and she was being fed answers Seems a sure sign that the Trump camp know their man was well beaten. And some comment says Kamala tried to interrupt to do the same but was harshly put down? Is that accurate? Honestly if you're gonna devote time to speaking and reading about it, you may as well just watch 😂 one of her questions was basically so tell us just how bad Donald Trump is.
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Post by elystokie on Sept 12, 2024 17:38:08 GMT
Saw some complaints about moderator's being too favourable to Trump in the debate. Apparently he was given the last word on every topic and was allowed to interrupt to do so over 10 times? Correct. You may also have heard - Kamala was given the questions pre-debate - Kamala's earrings were actually ear pieces and she was being fed answers Seems a sure sign that the Trump camp know their man was well beaten. Being given the questions is proper funny 😀 As though the topics likely to arise were a complete mystery anyway 😂
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Post by Mason_Stokie on Sept 12, 2024 19:03:38 GMT
And some comment says Kamala tried to interrupt to do the same but was harshly put down? Is that accurate? Honestly if you're gonna devote time to speaking and reading about it, you may as well just watch 😂 one of her questions was basically so tell us just how bad Donald Trump is. Must have missed that one... Here's the full transcript. abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542And the obvious best part... FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: In Springfield, they're eating the dogs. The people that came in. They're eating the cats. They're eating -- they're eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what's happening in our country. And it's a shame. As far as rallies are concerned, as far -- the reason they go is they like what I say. They want to bring our country back. They want to make America great again. It's a very simple phrase. Make America great again. She's destroying this country. And if she becomes president, this country doesn't have a chance of success. Not only success. We'll end up being Venezuela on steroids. DAVID MUIR: I just want to clarify here, you bring up Springfield, Ohio. And ABC News did reach out to the city manager there. He told us there have been no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed, injured or abused by individuals within the immigrant community -- FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, I've seen people on television DAVID MUIR: Let me just say here this ... FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: The people on television say my dog was taken and used for food. So maybe he said that and maybe that's a good thing to say for a city manager. DAVID MUIR: I'm not taking this from television. I'm taking it from the city manager. FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: But the people on television say their dog was eaten by the people that went there. DAVID MUIR: Again, the Springfield city manager says there's no evidence of that.
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 12, 2024 19:05:53 GMT
Must have missed that one... Here's the full transcript. abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542And the obvious best part... FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: In Springfield, they're eating the dogs. The people that came in. They're eating the cats. They're eating -- they're eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what's happening in our country. And it's a shame. As far as rallies are concerned, as far -- the reason they go is they like what I say. They want to bring our country back. They want to make America great again. It's a very simple phrase. Make America great again. She's destroying this country. And if she becomes president, this country doesn't have a chance of success. Not only success. We'll end up being Venezuela on steroids. This sort of stuff is disgusting and should never come from a country's leader. Lying to demonise groups is shitty. It puts people at risk because his believers might attack them. He knows it because he's done it before and seen it happen. The violence of his January 6th insurrection attempt is an example. The only reason it happened is because of Trump's words and actions. It's evil.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2024 22:34:26 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 13, 2024 1:48:11 GMT
Does that graph mean that for every 100,000 citizens slightly more US born citizens committed violent crime than immigrants?
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Post by elystokie on Sept 13, 2024 6:57:50 GMT
Does that graph mean that for every 100,000 citizens slightly more US born citizens committed violent crime than immigrants? It's just crime in general isn't it?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 13, 2024 7:23:04 GMT
Does that graph mean that for every 100,000 citizens slightly more US born citizens committed violent crime than immigrants? It's just crime in general isn't it? Dunno but there’s no context there so
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Post by elystokie on Sept 13, 2024 7:39:37 GMT
It's just crime in general isn't it? Dunno but there’s no context there so It'd probably say if it was specifically violent or any other sort of crime wouldn't it?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 13, 2024 7:57:28 GMT
Dunno but there’s no context there so It'd probably say if it was specifically violent or any other sort of crime wouldn't it? No I was just picking out one of the 3 bar charts. I’m asking if it’s crime overall or ratios of demographs attributed to the crimes in question
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Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 13, 2024 8:04:45 GMT
It'd probably say if it was specifically violent or any other sort of crime wouldn't it? No I was just picking out one of the 3 bar charts. I’m asking if it’s crime overall or ratios of demographs attributed to the crimes in question It's related to the crimes in question. The chart (although the data is FBI sourced from 2020) suggests that US born citizens commit more violent, property and drug related crimes than any other individual migrant grouping. If you tot the figures up, collectively US corn citizens commit far more violent, property or drug related crimes overall than migrants.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 13, 2024 8:08:55 GMT
No I was just picking out one of the 3 bar charts. I’m asking if it’s crime overall or ratios of demographs attributed to the crimes in question It's related to the crimes in question. The chart (although the data is FBI sourced from 2020) suggests that US born citizens commit more violent, property and drug related crimes than any other individual migrant grouping. If you tot the figures up, collectively US corn citizens commit far more violent, property or drug related crimes overall than migrants. Is this done per capita or by the sheer fact the white ethnic grouping makes up 50% of the US population. In which case its ever likely they are topping the charts?
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Post by elystokie on Sept 13, 2024 8:10:21 GMT
It'd probably say if it was specifically violent or any other sort of crime wouldn't it? No I was just picking out one of the 3 bar charts. I’m asking if it’s crime overall or ratios of demographs attributed to the crimes in question Apologies, I never clicked the link, different crimes aren't indicated on the screenshot shown above. I see what you're on about, I think 🤔 No idea 🤷
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Post by noustie on Sept 13, 2024 8:14:27 GMT
It'd probably say if it was specifically violent or any other sort of crime wouldn't it? No I was just picking out one of the 3 bar charts. I’m asking if it’s crime overall or ratios of demographs attributed to the crimes in question Surely too the other point is any crime from illegal immigrants is too much as it should be measured in a different context to citizens and legal migrants. By definition 100% of them are committing a crime just being there.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 13, 2024 8:17:10 GMT
It's related to the crimes in question. The chart (although the data is FBI sourced from 2020) suggests that US born citizens commit more violent, property and drug related crimes than any other individual migrant grouping. If you tot the figures up, collectively US corn citizens commit far more violent, property or drug related crimes overall than migrants. Is this done per capita or by the sheer fact the white ethnic grouping makes up 50% of the US population. In which case its ever likely they are topping the charts? This is what I’m getting at, apologies to anyone not understanding the point I was trying to make
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Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 13, 2024 8:49:22 GMT
Is this done per capita or by the sheer fact the white ethnic grouping makes up 50% of the US population. In which case its ever likely they are topping the charts? This is what I’m getting at, apologies to anyone not understanding the point I was trying to make NIBRS and Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) data are the primary sources of crime data in the U.S. but they are incomplete data sets based solely on raw numbers. In addition, the FBI only collects information on an arrestee or victim’s residency status, but the FBI makes it very clear that this refers to where a person lives rather than their immigration status. It is compiled by the FBI’s Criminal Justice Information Services (CJIS), and law enforcement agencies from around the US send their crime data to CJIS annually - however, not all do (for eg only 42 of 447 Federal law enforcement agencies submitted crime data to the FBI via NIBRS in 2022). US crime data is measured both in raw numbers and per 100,000 persons. Regardless of the inconsistencies, UCR and NIBRS remain the gold standard of crime data in the U.S. That said, in the US the crime rate overall is falling with immigration increasing. So, it's not possible to say that crime is increasing due to immigrants. Equally, it is not possible to say that US citizens cause more crime than immigrants because the NIBRS only identifies whether individuals are residents or non-residents of the jurisdiction that the incident occurred. So, both sides are technically wrong (based on this evidence at least).
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Post by elystokie on Sept 13, 2024 10:08:19 GMT
"He was the captain of the fucking ship!" Great line 😂
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Post by mjg13x on Sept 13, 2024 16:45:05 GMT
Nobody else completely and utterly depressed by the excitement some have over Kamala Harris? Is being better than Trump enough for Americans now? The bar is that low that all you need to be is someone not called Donald Trump. If you're ashamed of what is happening in Palestine right now and Harris excites you... then you're not one bit ashamed. You're complicit. The saddest thing about it all is I genuinely believe there is more chance of peace in at least one of these wars anytime soon under Trump than under Harris. That's not me supporting Trump (can't stand him) but it emphasises how much a warmonger Harris and the Democrats are. I voted uncommitted in the primary, and I’d have voted uncommitted if it were Harris running unopposed (or against a couple cranks) as well. The Democratic Party has been pushed meaningfully to the left on a bunch of important issues, but certainly not this, and that’s shameful. A lot of the excitement is coming from people who are just happy to have a sentient candidate who isn’t underwater in the polls, and I get that, but it’s no reason to give her a pass on this stance. I agree that peace is more likely to come sooner under Trump, but that’s because he’d let Putin and Netanyahu do whatever the hell they wanted. (Even more than Biden is doing with Netanyahu right now.)
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