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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 11, 2024 18:12:54 GMT
I didn't watch. It wouldn't surprise me if trump got more fact checks. He lies far more, about far bigger things and far more probable things. They've been saying that Biden is active and healthy for 3 years. Isn't that a fairly big lie? Anyway, if you watch it, I can't see that you'd come to any conclusion other than that the moderators were incredibly biased. It was the rob styles of debate moderation. Biden's state of the union speech looked fine, the debate (which I didn't watch again, but saw highlights) was apparently disastrous. One thing that could have happened is that his mental ability collapsed quickly towards the end. I've seen it happen. It's a big issue that needs to be shown publicly IMO. TBF I don't plan on watching the debate. Is there gonna be anything important beyond question dodging and trump spewing insane lies about everything? Trying to stew hatred of vulnerable groups etc? He already tried to end US democracy and now he's removed those from his orbit who protected the constitution. A vote for him is a vote to end free and fair elections in the US and I personally really value democracy over dictatorship so it's hard to see beyond that. We also know if given power he will support Putin, support and encourage US war crimes, order needless campaigns of child abuse, stack the courts with loyalists who will strip basic rights, try to remove healthcare from the poorest, try to give control of the internet to monopoly ISPs, try to fuck the future economy by removing Fed independence and blowing up deficit spending to juice short term GDP, and just generally try to shift all the wealth and power towards the richest. We already saw what he did and he's been clear he hasn't changed. Oh and the most important thing for the future of humanity: he's gonna lie about global warming and give everything he can to fossil fuel producers to fuck the future for everyone.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 11, 2024 19:15:40 GMT
Big shame Republicans opted for their worst candidate. They've got only themselves to blame if, as expected, Trump loses in November. He looks jaded, out of ideas and increasingly erratic. His demeanor is one of negativity, not positivity and it's not a good look.
When you've got younger guys like Super Ron and Vivek who are in a totally different stratosphere to Trump when it comes to political competence and likeability, it's tragic that the Republicans were that naive that they felt their best option was an 80 year old riddled with personal baggage and with a proven track record of losing elections to dire opposition.
Kamala is not going to improve America. Most on the left and right would agree on that...its more of the same. Yet she's about to land one of the most powerful roles on the planet by default of her opponent. It's Starmer all over again. As long as she doesn't do anything mental, she's won. How has the standard of Western politics become so tragic whereby time and time again leaders are winning by default of the opposition?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 11, 2024 19:50:32 GMT
Big shame Republicans opted for their worst candidate. They've got only themselves to blame if, as expected, Trump loses in November. He looks jaded, out of ideas and increasingly erratic. His demeanor is one of negativity, not positivity and it's not a good look. When you've got younger guys like Super Ron and Vivek who are in a totally different stratosphere to Trump when it comes to political competence and likeability, it's tragic that the Republicans were that naive that they felt their best option was an 80 year old riddled with personal baggage and with a proven track record of losing elections to dire opposition. Kamala is not going to improve America. Most on the left and right would agree on that...its more of the same. Yet she's about to land one of the most powerful roles on the planet by default of her opponent. It's Starmer all over again. As long as she doesn't do anything mental, she's won. How has the standard of Western politics become so tragic whereby time and time again leaders are winning by default of the opposition? Yeah Harris certainly wasn't any great shakes herself, I was dissapointed in her if I'm honest but Trump was just appallingly bad. It was so, so easy for her and Trump isn't going to get any better that's for sure but don't underestimate the number of fuckwits in America, it's far from over for him as it stands.
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Post by elystokie on Sept 11, 2024 20:17:29 GMT
They've been saying that Biden is active and healthy for 3 years. Isn't that a fairly big lie? Anyway, if you watch it, I can't see that you'd come to any conclusion other than that the moderators were incredibly biased. It was the rob styles of debate moderation. Biden's state of the union speech looked fine, the debate (which I didn't watch again, but saw highlights) was apparently disastrous. One thing that could have happened is that his mental ability collapsed quickly towards the end. I've seen it happen. It's a big issue that needs to be shown publicly IMO. TBF I don't plan on watching the debate. Is there gonna be anything important beyond question dodging and trump spewing insane lies about everything? Trying to stew hatred of vulnerable groups etc? He already tried to end US democracy and now he's removed those from his orbit who protected the constitution. A vote for him is a vote to end free and fair elections in the US and I personally really value democracy over dictatorship so it's hard to see beyond that. We also know if given power he will support Putin, support and encourage US war crimes, order needless campaigns of child abuse, stack the courts with loyalists who will strip basic rights, try to remove healthcare from the poorest, try to give control of the internet to monopoly ISPs, try to fuck the future economy by removing Fed independence and blowing up deficit spending to juice short term GDP, and just generally try to shift all the wealth and power towards the richest. We already saw what he did and he's been clear he hasn't changed. Oh and the most important thing for the future of humanity: he's gonna lie about global warming and give everything he can to fossil fuel producers to fuck the future for everyone. Excellent post π
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 11, 2024 20:19:18 GMT
He really is a disgusting piece of shit, isn't he?
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 11, 2024 20:31:21 GMT
Thanks but I know I come across as a smug fuck because I'm shit at writing like a normal person π I really don't mean to, my brain just works weird. Also weird, I did research for each thing I listed. E.g. I read through major election court cases (the Wisconsin supreme court one is a doozy. I don't think you can read the trump party briefs and believe they were anything but insane), for the ISPs I read a lot of documents from the Federal Communications Commission, and for the effects of his healthcare and tax plans I read a bunch of the analyses including nonpartisan summaries from the Joint Committee for Taxation and the Congressional Budget Office. I know I'm proper strange but I try to rely really hard on solid numbers or logically building up evidence and that's how I ended up believing the things I wrote. It's partly why I didn't watch the debates. During part of the Biden-Trump one I was downloading satellite data over Ukraine to try and understand stuff *shrug*.
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Post by lordb on Sept 11, 2024 20:57:44 GMT
Big shame Republicans opted for their worst candidate. They've got only themselves to blame if, as expected, Trump loses in November. He looks jaded, out of ideas and increasingly erratic. His demeanor is one of negativity, not positivity and it's not a good look. When you've got younger guys like Super Ron and Vivek who are in a totally different stratosphere to Trump when it comes to political competence and likeability, it's tragic that the Republicans were that naive that they felt their best option was an 80 year old riddled with personal baggage and with a proven track record of losing elections to dire opposition. Kamala is not going to improve America. Most on the left and right would agree on that...its more of the same. Yet she's about to land one of the most powerful roles on the planet by default of her opponent. It's Starmer all over again. As long as she doesn't do anything mental, she's won. How has the standard of Western politics become so tragic whereby time and time again leaders are winning by default of the opposition? If he loses do you think he'll run again in 2028? Can't see him not running myself, his ego demands it Other Republicans might fight harder against him then though, would be pretty nasty
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 11, 2024 20:59:33 GMT
He really is a disgusting piece of shit, isn't he? If thatβs where saying βthank youβ gets you Iβll be an ignorant twat from now onπ
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 11, 2024 21:00:32 GMT
Thanks but I know I come across as a smug fuck because I'm shit at writing like a normal person π I really don't mean to, my brain just works weird. Also weird, I did research for each thing I listed. E.g. I read through major election court cases (the Wisconsin supreme court one is a doozy. I don't think you can read the trump party briefs and believe they were anything but insane), for the ISPs I read a lot of documents from the Federal Communications Commission, and for the effects of his healthcare and tax plans I read a bunch of the analyses including nonpartisan summaries from the Joint Committee for Taxation and the Congressional Budget Office. I know I'm proper strange but I try to rely really hard on solid numbers or logically building up evidence and that's how I ended up believing the things I wrote. It's partly why I didn't watch the debates. During part of the Biden-Trump one I was downloading satellite data over Ukraine to try and understand stuff *shrug*. Youβre a superb poster mate, not smug at all. Respectππ»
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 11, 2024 21:03:31 GMT
Big shame Republicans opted for their worst candidate. They've got only themselves to blame if, as expected, Trump loses in November. He looks jaded, out of ideas and increasingly erratic. His demeanor is one of negativity, not positivity and it's not a good look. When you've got younger guys like Super Ron and Vivek who are in a totally different stratosphere to Trump when it comes to political competence and likeability, it's tragic that the Republicans were that naive that they felt their best option was an 80 year old riddled with personal baggage and with a proven track record of losing elections to dire opposition. Kamala is not going to improve America. Most on the left and right would agree on that...its more of the same. Yet she's about to land one of the most powerful roles on the planet by default of her opponent. It's Starmer all over again. As long as she doesn't do anything mental, she's won. How has the standard of Western politics become so tragic whereby time and time again leaders are winning by default of the opposition? If he loses do you think he'll run again in 2028? Can't see him not running myself, his ego demands it Other Republicans might fight harder against him then though, would be pretty nasty I could see it tbh. Which would be even more mental. I don't understand why the Republican Party are so intimidated by him. Id love to go behind the scenes and understand what made them think he was the best man for the job. The lack of quality political leadership coming out of the States is really shit for the world.
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Post by lordb on Sept 11, 2024 21:07:18 GMT
If he loses do you think he'll run again in 2028? Can't see him not running myself, his ego demands it Other Republicans might fight harder against him then though, would be pretty nasty I could see it tbh. Which would be even more mental. I don't understand why the Republican Party are so intimidated by him. Id love to go behind the scenes and understand what made them think he was the best man for the job. The lack of quality political leadership coming out of the States is really shit for the world. Can only think they perceived a republican civil war between the Trump cult and the others on the Right wasn't worth fighting He might win in November of course,this not a normal election would assume more drama to come and none of it beneficial to democracy.
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Post by emretezzy on Sept 11, 2024 21:07:39 GMT
Thanks but I know I come across as a smug fuck because I'm shit at writing like a normal person π I really don't mean to, my brain just works weird. Also weird, I did research for each thing I listed. E.g. I read through major election court cases (the Wisconsin supreme court one is a doozy. I don't think you can read the trump party briefs and believe they were anything but insane), for the ISPs I read a lot of documents from the Federal Communications Commission, and for the effects of his healthcare and tax plans I read a bunch of the analyses including nonpartisan summaries from the Joint Committee for Taxation and the Congressional Budget Office. I know I'm proper strange but I try to rely really hard on solid numbers or logically building up evidence and that's how I ended up believing the things I wrote. It's partly why I didn't watch the debates. During part of the Biden-Trump one I was downloading satellite data over Ukraine to try and understand stuff *shrug*. You do you mate. I always look out for your posts π
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 11, 2024 21:16:47 GMT
I could see it tbh. Which would be even more mental. I don't understand why the Republican Party are so intimidated by him. Id love to go behind the scenes and understand what made them think he was the best man for the job. The lack of quality political leadership coming out of the States is really shit for the world. Can only think they perceived a republican civil war between the Trump cult and the others on the Right wasn't worth fighting He might win in November of course,this not a normal election would assume more drama to come and none of it beneficial to democracy. Oh indeed, he's not lost yet. Could well be right re the Republican in fighting. His stance on issues that were never right/left issues previously like abortion isn't doing him any favors either. He's lost far more than he's gained by having that position. And actually DeSantis was doing fantastically well until he started fucking about with this anti abortion stuff. Harris is fucking dire as well. Its so hard to comprehend how bad the quality in Western politics is at the moment.
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 11, 2024 21:22:06 GMT
After a lot of thought Iβve come to the conclusion that Trump is total cunt and people who support him are either cunts or idiots.
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 11, 2024 21:42:16 GMT
I didn't watch. It wouldn't surprise me if trump got more fact checks. He lies far more, about far bigger things and far more probable things. They've been saying that Biden is active and healthy for 3 years. Isn't that a fairly big lie? Anyway, if you watch it, I can't see that you'd come to any conclusion other than that the moderators were incredibly biased. It was the rob styles of debate moderation. Thumbs up for the rob styles comment btw, that made it clear how you felt π I've got PTSD from what that fucker did to my childhood.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 11, 2024 22:28:40 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 12, 2024 0:17:56 GMT
He really is a disgusting piece of shit, isn't he? If thatβs where saying βthank youβ gets you Iβll be an ignorant twat from now onπ "gets you"? Are you saying that you personally don't see anything wrong with his actions above? If it's not about HIM, then he doesn't give a shit ...
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 12, 2024 2:02:49 GMT
On September 11th 2001 he supported fellow New Yorkers by remarking he now had the tallest building in Manhattan. Which wasn't true.
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Post by Northy on Sept 12, 2024 6:48:04 GMT
He really is a disgusting piece of shit, isn't he? Trouble with that is you don't see what or who he's looking at, it could be servicemen, first responders etc. wu need to see the whole scene. You cant believe things these days, look at the Republicans with that Taylor Swift AI generated picture saying she's backing Trump.
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Post by elystokie on Sept 12, 2024 6:55:24 GMT
So the debate was rigged in Harris's favour but he still won by a landslide π€
If a prize fighter wins a fight the loser always wants a rematch is his excuse for not accepting a second debate π€
Immediately after the Biden debate Trump was asking for a second one π€
That's without getting into all the other bollocks he spouted π
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 12, 2024 8:52:12 GMT
So the debate was rigged in Harris's favour but he still won by a landslide π€ If a prize fighter wins a fight the loser always wants a rematch is his excuse for not accepting a second debate π€ Immediately after the Biden debate Trump was asking for a second one π€ That's without getting into all the other bollocks he spouted π Cringe worthy stuff. He's completely had it. Vivek just standing in the background like "how the fuck is this guy the presidential nominee and not me". Kamala was dire, but Trump was even worse. Awful, awful candidates for such a prestigious job. Previous presidents will be turning in their grave.
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Post by Northy on Sept 12, 2024 9:00:17 GMT
If thatβs where saying βthank youβ gets you Iβll be an ignorant twat from now onπ "gets you"? Are you saying that you personally don't see anything wrong with his actions above? If it's not about HIM, then he doesn't give a shit ... Yet he's saying thank you lots of times ? I cant stand the bloke but once again a snippet from social media, we don't know what happened, could have been something flying about, lots of people behind not standing solemnly looking down.
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Post by noustie on Sept 12, 2024 10:38:24 GMT
So the debate was rigged in Harris's favour but he still won by a landslide π€ If a prize fighter wins a fight the loser always wants a rematch is his excuse for not accepting a second debate π€ Immediately after the Biden debate Trump was asking for a second one π€ That's without getting into all the other bollocks he spouted π Cringe worthy stuff. He's completely had it. Vivek just standing in the background like "how the fuck is this guy the presidential nominee and not me". Kamala was dire, but Trump was even worse. Awful, awful candidates for such a prestigious job. Previous presidents will be turning in their grave. How anyone can be entrenched on either side baffles me like! Don't really get the outrage at Haitians scoffing pets either being honest - there's a town of 60k folk in total in Ohio made up of 15k Haitian refugees. To suggest they're not eating local wildlife sounds even more batshit mental than suggesting they are to me.
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Sept 12, 2024 10:42:05 GMT
Bush and Clinton sound like Pericles after years of Trump, Biden and Harris destroying the English language π
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Post by elystokie on Sept 12, 2024 10:42:12 GMT
So the debate was rigged in Harris's favour but he still won by a landslide π€ If a prize fighter wins a fight the loser always wants a rematch is his excuse for not accepting a second debate π€ Immediately after the Biden debate Trump was asking for a second one π€ That's without getting into all the other bollocks he spouted π Cringe worthy stuff. He's completely had it. Vivek just standing in the background like "how the fuck is this guy the presidential nominee and not me". Kamala was dire, but Trump was even worse. Awful, awful candidates for such a prestigious job. Previous presidents will be turning in their grave. I thought Harris played it well considering she was up against someone far more experienced in these things. She laid (pretty obvious TBF) traps and Trump just blundered into them time after time. He was like a petulant child, difficult to have anything like a serious debate with them too.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 12, 2024 11:16:14 GMT
"gets you"? Are you saying that you personally don't see anything wrong with his actions above? If it's not about HIM, then he doesn't give a shit ... Yet he's saying thank you lots of times ? I cant stand the bloke but once again a snippet from social media, we don't know what happened, could have been something flying about, lots of people behind not standing solemnly looking down. You don't know who the people standing behind him are do you? They're Trump's sons, showing exactly the same lack of class too, I wonder where they could possibly get it from?
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Sept 12, 2024 11:16:51 GMT
Cringe worthy stuff. He's completely had it. Vivek just standing in the background like "how the fuck is this guy the presidential nominee and not me". Kamala was dire, but Trump was even worse. Awful, awful candidates for such a prestigious job. Previous presidents will be turning in their grave. How anyone can be entrenched on either side baffles me like! Don't really get the outrage at Haitians scoffing pets either being honest - there's a town of 60k folk in total in Ohio made up of 15k Haitian refugees. To suggest they're not eating local wildlife sounds even more batshit mental than suggesting they are to me. Iβm not sure him saying βtheyβre eating the pets of the people who live thereβ is the same as them eating local wildlife.
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Post by Northy on Sept 12, 2024 11:20:25 GMT
Yet he's saying thank you lots of times ? I cant stand the bloke but once again a snippet from social media, we don't know what happened, could have been something flying about, lots of people behind not standing solemnly looking down. You don't who the people standing behind him are do you? They're Trump's sons, showing exactly the same lack of class too, I wonder where they could possibly get it from? Christ, he's got a lot of sons, I didn't realise he had that many, even the one to the left looking at Kamala Harris, and the one in background looking the other way.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 12, 2024 11:35:30 GMT
So the debate was rigged in Harris's favour but he still won by a landslide π€ If a prize fighter wins a fight the loser always wants a rematch is his excuse for not accepting a second debate π€ Immediately after the Biden debate Trump was asking for a second one π€ That's without getting into all the other bollocks he spouted π That really is an excellent analysis and nails it to a tee. He's a 78 year old baby without an ounce of self awareness.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 12, 2024 11:42:34 GMT
What was all that crap about immigrants killing dogs? Moron.
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