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Post by biddulphchav on Feb 5, 2024 23:30:02 GMT
Honestly I am not sure if you believe this or not. The war in Ukraine was stoked and provoked by the US without question (you can even read what that arsewipe Kissinger had to say about it), for many reasons but all to do with money. And world war 2 was all Britain's fault and nothing to do with Hitler wanting to invade countries. What a well constructed argument. Well done
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Post by georgeberrysafro on Feb 6, 2024 11:39:50 GMT
It's all about 'supply change' today.
And people think he's sharp.
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Post by LDE76 on Feb 6, 2024 18:31:05 GMT
DC Court of appeals has ruled that he has no immunity in relation to attempting to overthrow the 2020 election. Of course, he'll appeal and it'll go to the Supreme Court and his hand-picked judges but the fact that his arguments apparently didn't even "pass the laugh test" gives me a modicum of hope that SCOTUS will throw this out just like they did with all of his election-rigging claims. If that happens, and it's resolved before the election, the next hurdle to clear is arranging a trial in time. Typically, no sooner had the ruling been made than the billionaire was setting up fundraisers and asking the rubes for money. www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-68023315
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 6, 2024 20:34:11 GMT
DC Court of appeals has ruled that he has no immunity in relation to attempting to overthrow the 2020 election. Of course, he'll appeal and it'll go to the Supreme Court and his hand-picked judges but the fact that his arguments apparently didn't even "pass the laugh test" gives me a modicum of hope that SCOTUS will throw this out just like they did with all of his election-rigging claims. If that happens, and it's resolved before the election, the next hurdle to clear is arranging a trial in time. Typically, no sooner had the ruling been made than the billionaire was setting up fundraisers and asking the rubes for money. www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-68023315I don’t necessarily agree with all of SCOTUS’ rulings. However, apart from Thomas, I do believe them to be honorable.
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 7, 2024 2:24:49 GMT
DC Court of appeals has ruled that he has no immunity in relation to attempting to overthrow the 2020 election. Of course, he'll appeal and it'll go to the Supreme Court and his hand-picked judges but the fact that his arguments apparently didn't even "pass the laugh test" gives me a modicum of hope that SCOTUS will throw this out just like they did with all of his election-rigging claims. If that happens, and it's resolved before the election, the next hurdle to clear is arranging a trial in time. Typically, no sooner had the ruling been made than the billionaire was setting up fundraisers and asking the rubes for money. www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-68023315I don’t necessarily agree with all of SCOTUS’ rulings. However, apart from Thomas, I do believe them to be honorable. You've got a lot more faith in the republican court than me mate. Let's see.
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Post by musik on Feb 7, 2024 3:33:32 GMT
Interesting story of a Trump fan, believes trump's election lies and was paid to go around shooting up Democrat targets by a republican candidate who also lost. If trump wins it's going to get more and more dangerous to be a politician who opposes him. He's made it very clear that he supports using violence and state power to crush political opposition. A civil war in both USA and Russia coming up in time?
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 7, 2024 6:51:15 GMT
What's not being involved in any wars got to do with what I said? If we were involved in a major war then Trump likely wouldn't back us up. Trump would weaken the US and it's Ally's by what he doesn't do. If country's like Russia and China start taking what they want would you then be applauding Trump for making us all weaker if he doesn't support us and their Ally's? Once the balance of power switches there's no turning back and yours and your families freedoms will start to diminish. We may even get to a point where we get taken over, the US becomes a rogue country and finds itself strangled by the higher powers. Trump is a divider which makes him very dangerous to us and the free world. Honestly I am not sure if you believe this or not. The war in Ukraine was stoked and provoked by the US without question (you can even read what that arsewipe Kissinger had to say about it), for many reasons but all to do with money. Russian gas for example, has been totally replaced by excess Shale gas from the US, and so all the money that used to flow from Europe to Russia now goes to the USA. There are other examples but you get the idea. Fucking about on the Russian border was always going to be a red flag, just as it would be for any other sovereign nation. To say that Biden and his government are standing for peace and unity and the good of the ‘free world’ is such outdated thinking. They are continuing to serve their own interest, no matter the cost (see also support for the Israeli action in Gaza). Putin was always going to start that war with Ukraine, he's always wanted to put the Soviet Union back together, he's said it many times. The US never started that war, Putin wants to leave a legacy and always has. Covid brought the worldwide instability he needed, everyone's economies were taking big hits and he saw his opportunity. He's probably underestimated the amount of support Ukraine would get.
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Post by lordb on Feb 7, 2024 8:37:58 GMT
Honestly I am not sure if you believe this or not. The war in Ukraine was stoked and provoked by the US without question (you can even read what that arsewipe Kissinger had to say about it), for many reasons but all to do with money. Russian gas for example, has been totally replaced by excess Shale gas from the US, and so all the money that used to flow from Europe to Russia now goes to the USA. There are other examples but you get the idea. Fucking about on the Russian border was always going to be a red flag, just as it would be for any other sovereign nation. To say that Biden and his government are standing for peace and unity and the good of the ‘free world’ is such outdated thinking. They are continuing to serve their own interest, no matter the cost (see also support for the Israeli action in Gaza). Putin was always going to start that war with Ukraine, he's always wanted to put the Soviet Union back together, he's said it many times. The US never started that war, Putin wants to leave a legacy and always has. Covid brought the worldwide instability he needed, everyone's economies were taking big hits and he saw his opportunity. He's probably underestimated the amount of support Ukraine would get. No probably about it, he assumed no one would assist Ukraine
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Post by Veritas on Feb 7, 2024 9:44:09 GMT
Putin was always going to start that war with Ukraine, he's always wanted to put the Soviet Union back together, he's said it many times. The US never started that war, Putin wants to leave a legacy and always has. Covid brought the worldwide instability he needed, everyone's economies were taking big hits and he saw his opportunity. He's probably underestimated the amount of support Ukraine would get. No probably about it, he assumed no one would assist Ukraine Yes particularly after the West's failure to act after Russia's aggression in the Caucasus, Crimea and the Donbass
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Post by flea79 on Feb 7, 2024 9:58:25 GMT
Interesting story of a Trump fan, believes trump's election lies and was paid to go around shooting up Democrat targets by a republican candidate who also lost. If trump wins it's going to get more and more dangerous to be a politician who opposes him. He's made it very clear that he supports using violence and state power to crush political opposition. A civil war in both USA and Russia coming up in time? its scary how close we are to the dystopian worlds in fiction such as 1984 and V for Vendetta...
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Feb 7, 2024 10:19:56 GMT
DC Court of appeals has ruled that he has no immunity in relation to attempting to overthrow the 2020 election. Of course, he'll appeal and it'll go to the Supreme Court and his hand-picked judges but the fact that his arguments apparently didn't even "pass the laugh test" gives me a modicum of hope that SCOTUS will throw this out just like they did with all of his election-rigging claims. If that happens, and it's resolved before the election, the next hurdle to clear is arranging a trial in time. Typically, no sooner had the ruling been made than the billionaire was setting up fundraisers and asking the rubes for money. www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-68023315Great news for the MAGA goons. It means when all this concrete evidence of Biden fixing the election (which absolutely, definitely exists) it means Biden will be able to face justice for it.
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Post by biddulphchav on Feb 7, 2024 12:11:01 GMT
Honestly I am not sure if you believe this or not. The war in Ukraine was stoked and provoked by the US without question (you can even read what that arsewipe Kissinger had to say about it), for many reasons but all to do with money. Russian gas for example, has been totally replaced by excess Shale gas from the US, and so all the money that used to flow from Europe to Russia now goes to the USA. There are other examples but you get the idea. Fucking about on the Russian border was always going to be a red flag, just as it would be for any other sovereign nation. To say that Biden and his government are standing for peace and unity and the good of the ‘free world’ is such outdated thinking. They are continuing to serve their own interest, no matter the cost (see also support for the Israeli action in Gaza). Putin was always going to start that war with Ukraine, he's always wanted to put the Soviet Union back together, he's said it many times. The US never started that war, Putin wants to leave a legacy and always has. Covid brought the worldwide instability he needed, everyone's economies were taking big hits and he saw his opportunity. He's probably underestimated the amount of support Ukraine would get. The West must understand that, to Russia, Ukraine can never be just a foreign country. Russian history began in what was called Kievan-Rus. The Russian religion spread from there. Ukraine has been part of Russia for centuries, and their histories were intertwined before then. Some of the most important battles for Russian freedom, starting with the Battle of Poltava in 1709 , were fought on Ukrainian soil. The Black Sea Fleet — Russia's means of projecting power in the Mediterranean — is based by long-term lease in Sevastopol, in Crimea. Even such famed dissidents as Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn and Joseph Brodsky insisted that Ukraine was an integral part of Russian history and, indeed, of Russia. The European Union must recognize that its bureaucratic dilatoriness and subordination of the strategic element to domestic politics in negotiating Ukraine’s relationship to Europe contributed to turning a negotiation into a crisis. Foreign policy is the art of establishing priorities. The Ukrainians are the decisive element. They live in a country with a complex history and a polyglot composition. The Western part was incorporated into the Soviet Union in 1939 , when Stalin and Hitler divided up the spoils. Crimea, 60 percent of whose population is Russian , became part of Ukraine only in 1954 , when Nikita Khrushchev, a Ukrainian by birth, awarded it as part of the 300th-year celebration of a Russian agreement with the Cossacks. The west is largely Catholic; the east largely Russian Orthodox. The west speaks Ukrainian; the east speaks mostly Russian. Any attempt by one wing of Ukraine to dominate the other — as has been the pattern — would lead eventually to civil war or break up. To treat Ukraine as part of an East-West confrontation would scuttle for decades any prospect to bring Russia and the West — especially Russia and Europe — into a cooperative international system. The hard push to bring Ukraine into NATO and the EU was intentional provocation. The useless characterisation of Putin as a megalomaniac is simply an output of the propoganda you have been fed with, in my opinion.
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Post by musik on Feb 7, 2024 14:44:21 GMT
A civil war in both USA and Russia coming up in time? its scary how close we are to the dystopian worlds in fiction such as 1984 and V for Vendetta... And the 5000 year old Veda literature.
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Post by flea79 on Feb 7, 2024 15:01:59 GMT
its scary how close we are to the dystopian worlds in fiction such as 1984 and V for Vendetta... And the 5000 year old Veda literature. not familiar with this, i will away to research it!
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 7, 2024 15:18:03 GMT
Putin was always going to start that war with Ukraine, he's always wanted to put the Soviet Union back together, he's said it many times. The US never started that war, Putin wants to leave a legacy and always has. Covid brought the worldwide instability he needed, everyone's economies were taking big hits and he saw his opportunity. He's probably underestimated the amount of support Ukraine would get. The West must understand that, to Russia, Ukraine can never be just a foreign country. Russian history began in what was called Kievan-Rus. The Russian religion spread from there. Ukraine has been part of Russia for centuries, and their histories were intertwined before then. Some of the most important battles for Russian freedom, starting with the Battle of Poltava in 1709 , were fought on Ukrainian soil. The Black Sea Fleet — Russia's means of projecting power in the Mediterranean — is based by long-term lease in Sevastopol, in Crimea. Even such famed dissidents as Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn and Joseph Brodsky insisted that Ukraine was an integral part of Russian history and, indeed, of Russia. The European Union must recognize that its bureaucratic dilatoriness and subordination of the strategic element to domestic politics in negotiating Ukraine’s relationship to Europe contributed to turning a negotiation into a crisis. Foreign policy is the art of establishing priorities. The Ukrainians are the decisive element. They live in a country with a complex history and a polyglot composition. The Western part was incorporated into the Soviet Union in 1939 , when Stalin and Hitler divided up the spoils. Crimea, 60 percent of whose population is Russian , became part of Ukraine only in 1954 , when Nikita Khrushchev, a Ukrainian by birth, awarded it as part of the 300th-year celebration of a Russian agreement with the Cossacks. The west is largely Catholic; the east largely Russian Orthodox. The west speaks Ukrainian; the east speaks mostly Russian. Any attempt by one wing of Ukraine to dominate the other — as has been the pattern — would lead eventually to civil war or break up. To treat Ukraine as part of an East-West confrontation would scuttle for decades any prospect to bring Russia and the West — especially Russia and Europe — into a cooperative international system. The hard push to bring Ukraine into NATO and the EU was intentional provocation. The useless characterisation of Putin as a megalomaniac is simply an output of the propoganda you have been fed with, in my opinion. So Putin's own words are propaganda, fuck me that is a deep hole you have got yourself in to. Putin like Trump I judge by their own actions and words not second hand information off the internet or by some biased media outlet. I think you have are the one who is struggling with reality not me. It's pretty obvious you dislike the west but I don't see the UK or the US or any other European country other than Russia trying to take over another country. Russia are trying to conquer the 2nd biggest country in Europe, a country that doesn't want to be part of Russia so why should a country and population the size of Ukraine's accept it? Many countries used to be part of the British Empire, we aren't going around trying to rebuild it by taking over other countries so they are forced to rejoin. As for the EU, it's a trading block, that's it. NATO is just a group of countries that want to stand by eachother in case their is conflict. The choice to join either of these is up to any individual country and shouldn't be made by external countries. Ukraine does not belong to Russia so I suggest you get over it.
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Post by LDE76 on Feb 7, 2024 18:02:22 GMT
A civil war in both USA and Russia coming up in time? its scary how close we are to the dystopian worlds in fiction such as 1984 and V for Vendetta... To quite a few Trump-voting Christian fundamentalists in America, The Handmaid's Tale is the ultimate fantasy.
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Post by lordb on Feb 7, 2024 19:08:43 GMT
No probably about it, he assumed no one would assist Ukraine Yes particularly after the West's failure to act after Russia's aggression in the Caucasus, Crimea and the Donbass & Obama doing nothing in Syria after Russia breached his publically stated 'red line'
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Post by biddulphchav on Feb 7, 2024 22:56:04 GMT
The West must understand that, to Russia, Ukraine can never be just a foreign country. Russian history began in what was called Kievan-Rus. The Russian religion spread from there. Ukraine has been part of Russia for centuries, and their histories were intertwined before then. Some of the most important battles for Russian freedom, starting with the Battle of Poltava in 1709 , were fought on Ukrainian soil. The Black Sea Fleet — Russia's means of projecting power in the Mediterranean — is based by long-term lease in Sevastopol, in Crimea. Even such famed dissidents as Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn and Joseph Brodsky insisted that Ukraine was an integral part of Russian history and, indeed, of Russia. The European Union must recognize that its bureaucratic dilatoriness and subordination of the strategic element to domestic politics in negotiating Ukraine’s relationship to Europe contributed to turning a negotiation into a crisis. Foreign policy is the art of establishing priorities. The Ukrainians are the decisive element. They live in a country with a complex history and a polyglot composition. The Western part was incorporated into the Soviet Union in 1939 , when Stalin and Hitler divided up the spoils. Crimea, 60 percent of whose population is Russian , became part of Ukraine only in 1954 , when Nikita Khrushchev, a Ukrainian by birth, awarded it as part of the 300th-year celebration of a Russian agreement with the Cossacks. The west is largely Catholic; the east largely Russian Orthodox. The west speaks Ukrainian; the east speaks mostly Russian. Any attempt by one wing of Ukraine to dominate the other — as has been the pattern — would lead eventually to civil war or break up. To treat Ukraine as part of an East-West confrontation would scuttle for decades any prospect to bring Russia and the West — especially Russia and Europe — into a cooperative international system. The hard push to bring Ukraine into NATO and the EU was intentional provocation. The useless characterisation of Putin as a megalomaniac is simply an output of the propoganda you have been fed with, in my opinion. So Putin's own words are propaganda, fuck me that is a deep hole you have got yourself in to. Putin like Trump I judge by their own actions and words not second hand information off the internet or by some biased media outlet. I think you have are the one who is struggling with reality not me. It's pretty obvious you dislike the west but I don't see the UK or the US or any other European country other than Russia trying to take over another country. Russia are trying to conquer the 2nd biggest country in Europe, a country that doesn't want to be part of Russia so why should a country and population the size of Ukraine's accept it? Many countries used to be part of the British Empire, we aren't going around trying to rebuild it by taking over other countries so they are forced to rejoin. As for the EU, it's a trading block, that's it. NATO is just a group of countries that want to stand by eachother in case their is conflict. The choice to join either of these is up to any individual country and shouldn't be made by external countries. Ukraine does not belong to Russia so I suggest you get over it. You don’t see other countries being subverted or having their regimes changed? Well, perhaps you ought to look more closely then. For the record, I don’t dislike the West, but I also don’t live in a binary universe where every conflict that goes against our interest is pitched as a good versus evil battle.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Feb 8, 2024 0:25:23 GMT
I saw Trump's opponent in Nevada was beaten by 'none of the above!' 😳😂
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 8, 2024 2:28:36 GMT
Nice to see that Trump and the “Freedom Caucas” don’t actually care about immigration after all.
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Post by Northy on Feb 8, 2024 7:56:49 GMT
Putin was always going to start that war with Ukraine, he's always wanted to put the Soviet Union back together, he's said it many times. The US never started that war, Putin wants to leave a legacy and always has. Covid brought the worldwide instability he needed, everyone's economies were taking big hits and he saw his opportunity. He's probably underestimated the amount of support Ukraine would get. The West must understand that, to Russia, Ukraine can never be just a foreign country. Russian history began in what was called Kievan-Rus. The Russian religion spread from there. Ukraine has been part of Russia for centuries, and their histories were intertwined before then. Some of the most important battles for Russian freedom, starting with the Battle of Poltava in 1709 , were fought on Ukrainian soil. The Black Sea Fleet — Russia's means of projecting power in the Mediterranean — is based by long-term lease in Sevastopol, in Crimea. Even such famed dissidents as Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn and Joseph Brodsky insisted that Ukraine was an integral part of Russian history and, indeed, of Russia. The European Union must recognize that its bureaucratic dilatoriness and subordination of the strategic element to domestic politics in negotiating Ukraine’s relationship to Europe contributed to turning a negotiation into a crisis. Foreign policy is the art of establishing priorities. The Ukrainians are the decisive element. They live in a country with a complex history and a polyglot composition. The Western part was incorporated into the Soviet Union in 1939 , when Stalin and Hitler divided up the spoils. Crimea, 60 percent of whose population is Russian , became part of Ukraine only in 1954 , when Nikita Khrushchev, a Ukrainian by birth, awarded it as part of the 300th-year celebration of a Russian agreement with the Cossacks. The west is largely Catholic; the east largely Russian Orthodox. The west speaks Ukrainian; the east speaks mostly Russian. Any attempt by one wing of Ukraine to dominate the other — as has been the pattern — would lead eventually to civil war or break up. To treat Ukraine as part of an East-West confrontation would scuttle for decades any prospect to bring Russia and the West — especially Russia and Europe — into a cooperative international system. The hard push to bring Ukraine into NATO and the EU was intentional provocation. The useless characterisation of Putin as a megalomaniac is simply an output of the propoganda you have been fed with, in my opinion. Depends how far you want to go back, Kiev was founded by the Rus Vikings who ruled over Ukrainian land and then mixed with local slavs who eventually spread into what is now Russia, so they could say that they were there first and formed Russia, so Russia should be part of Ukraine?
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Post by lordb on Feb 8, 2024 8:10:25 GMT
So Putin's own words are propaganda, fuck me that is a deep hole you have got yourself in to. Putin like Trump I judge by their own actions and words not second hand information off the internet or by some biased media outlet. I think you have are the one who is struggling with reality not me. It's pretty obvious you dislike the west but I don't see the UK or the US or any other European country other than Russia trying to take over another country. Russia are trying to conquer the 2nd biggest country in Europe, a country that doesn't want to be part of Russia so why should a country and population the size of Ukraine's accept it? Many countries used to be part of the British Empire, we aren't going around trying to rebuild it by taking over other countries so they are forced to rejoin. As for the EU, it's a trading block, that's it. NATO is just a group of countries that want to stand by eachother in case their is conflict. The choice to join either of these is up to any individual country and shouldn't be made by external countries. Ukraine does not belong to Russia so I suggest you get over it. You don’t see other countries being subverted or having their regimes changed? Well, perhaps you ought to look more closely then. For the record, I don’t dislike the West, but I also don’t live in a binary universe where every conflict that goes against our interest is pitched as a good versus evil battle. Of course not but the idea that anyone other than Putin caused the war is not tenable Would also suggest that for those Russia leaning Ukrainians before the war a huge number of them will now spurn Russia, Russian culture and even the language as a direct result of the war The concept that Ukraine is Russia has long been a flaky one and can now be consigned to the dustbin of history
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 8, 2024 21:42:07 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 9, 2024 0:55:00 GMT
Running Biden again is stupid and insane IMO. He should step down. Some will say he should have done what Trump did with Mueller and order the AG to blank out a lot of the report to hide info from the public. The Dems don't have the propaganda machine and commitment to lies that the Republicans do either, so this'll hurt Biden a lot more. I seriously believe that if trump raped a child and Biden accidentally touched a teenager's breast, we'd be hearing about how they're both equally bad.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 9, 2024 2:25:00 GMT
Running Biden again is stupid and insane IMO. He should step down. Some will say he should have done what Trump did with Mueller and order the AG to blank out a lot of the report to hide info from the public. The Dems don't have the propaganda machine and commitment to lies that the Republicans do either, so this'll hurt Biden a lot more. I seriously believe that if trump raped a child and Biden accidentally touched a teenager's breast, we'd be hearing about how they're both equally bad. It is bonkers. I think that there should be an upper age limit on running for office (there’s a lower one). At this stage, Biden dropping out with hand the win to Trump unless the new someone comes through and does something tremendous like saving children from a burning building (even then, Trump would probably say that Democrats started the fire).
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Post by musik on Feb 9, 2024 2:42:57 GMT
A president should be between 18 to 30 considering all the travelling they'll have to do. It's not just utterly boring, but extremely tiredsome as well.
I haven't been anywhere after 30, thank God!
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 9, 2024 4:48:36 GMT
A president should be between 18 to 30 considering all the travelling they'll have to do. It's not just utterly boring, but extremely tiredsome as well. I haven't been anywhere after 30, thank God! When I was 18 I was bored to death by a 3 hour car ride. I dunno how Greta Thunberg does it when travelling even more slowly.
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Post by musik on Feb 9, 2024 9:09:14 GMT
A president should be between 18 to 30 considering all the travelling they'll have to do. It's not just utterly boring, but extremely tiredsome as well. I haven't been anywhere after 30, thank God! When I was 18 I was bored to death by a 3 hour car ride. I dunno how Greta Thunberg does it when travelling even more slowly. Isn't she in jail?
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Post by Northy on Feb 9, 2024 10:44:21 GMT
A president should be between 18 to 30 considering all the travelling they'll have to do. It's not just utterly boring, but extremely tiredsome as well. I haven't been anywhere after 30, thank God! You need to get out more ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif)
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Post by elystokie on Feb 9, 2024 10:48:13 GMT
A president should be between 18 to 30 considering all the travelling they'll have to do. It's not just utterly boring, but extremely tiredsome as well. I haven't been anywhere after 30, thank God! You need to get out more ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) Would you if people kept pestering you to touch your aura? 😄
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