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Post by Will_75 on Jan 23, 2017 10:58:52 GMT
I can't think of a single other occasion when Pulis has frozen out a player for his own reasons. That definitely never happened at Stoke.
Did anyone else hear Pat Murphy's comments on Saturday:
1. Didn't WBA do well to get that amount of money for a player who's almost out of contract and hasn't played for 4 months.
2. The fee will be an absolute steal if we get him back to his best.
3. PM compared him to (someone, my mrs talked over it) and Kevin Phillips in the predatory striker stakes.
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Post by werrington on Jan 23, 2017 11:29:21 GMT
I can't think of a single other occasion when Pulis has frozen out a player for his own reasons. That definitely never happened at Stoke. Did anyone else hear Pat Murphy's comments on Saturday: 1. Didn't WBA do well to get that amount of money for a player who's almost out of contract and hasn't played for 4 months. 2. The fee will be an absolute steal if we get him back to his best. 3. PM compared him to (someone, my mrs talked over it) and Kevin Phillips in the predatory striker stakes. Carl Hoefkins and Ricardo Fuller |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 11:30:47 GMT
I can't think of a single other occasion when Pulis has frozen out a player for his own reasons. That definitely never happened at Stoke. Did anyone else hear Pat Murphy's comments on Saturday: 1. Didn't WBA do well to get that amount of money for a player who's almost out of contract and hasn't played for 4 months. 2. The fee will be an absolute steal if we get him back to his best. 3. PM compared him to (someone, my mrs talked over it) and Kevin Phillips in the predatory striker stakes. Carl Hoefkins and Ricardo Fuller Liam Lawrence? Tuncay? |
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Post by parsons75 on Jan 23, 2017 11:37:40 GMT
Hoefkins was a shite defender who moaned about not playing in the centre.
Fuller was well past his best and coming back from injuries. Crouch, Walters, Jerome and Jones were ahead on merit.
Tuncay was a bad apple. Publically getting a taxi home from games instead of watching with his team mates.
Lawrence 'fell over his dog' and turned into a Billy Big Bollox after getting too close to Beattie.
As Will_75 says none of those lost their place down to Pulis not liking them.
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Post by Will_75 on Jan 23, 2017 11:43:54 GMT
Hoefkins was a shite defender who moaned about not playing in the centre. Fuller was well past his best and coming back from injuries. Crouch, Walters, Jerome and Jones were ahead on merit. Tuncay was a bad apple. Publically getting a taxi home from games instead of watching with his team mates. Lawrence 'fell over his dog' and turned into a Billy Big Bollox after getting too close to Beattie. As Will_75 says none of those lost their place down to Pulis not liking them. James Beattie was another who was definitely footballing reasons. And Pétur Marteinsson. We definitely had better defenders than him at the time. No question. parsons75 - Hoekfens was droppped for having young children. He is the only professional footballer in the world to have them. |
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Post by werrington on Jan 23, 2017 12:44:37 GMT
Hoefkins was a shite defender who moaned about not playing in the centre. Fuller was well past his best and coming back from injuries. Crouch, Walters, Jerome and Jones were ahead on merit. Tuncay was a bad apple. Publically getting a taxi home from games instead of watching with his team mates. Lawrence 'fell over his dog' and turned into a Billy Big Bollox after getting too close to Beattie. As Will_75 says none of those lost their place down to Pulis not liking them. it's always somebody else's fault isn't it There's a common denominator if you look hard enough |
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Post by pyrus on Jan 23, 2017 12:54:49 GMT
I can't think of a single other occasion when Pulis has frozen out a player for his own reasons. That definitely never happened at Stoke. Did anyone else hear Pat Murphy's comments on Saturday: 1. Didn't WBA do well to get that amount of money for a player who's almost out of contract and hasn't played for 4 months. 2. The fee will be an absolute steal if we get him back to his best. 3. PM compared him to (someone, my mrs talked over it) and Kevin Phillips in the predatory striker stakes. Every Icelandic player on the books when he got Stoke |
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Post by Jug Bank Stokie on Jan 23, 2017 13:01:44 GMT
I can't think of a single other occasion when Pulis has frozen out a player for his own reasons. That definitely never happened at Stoke. Did anyone else hear Pat Murphy's comments on Saturday: 1. Didn't WBA do well to get that amount of money for a player who's almost out of contract and hasn't played for 4 months. 2. The fee will be an absolute steal if we get him back to his best. 3. PM compared him to (someone, my mrs talked over it) and Kevin Phillips in the predatory striker stakes. Beattie, Lawrence, Tuncay, Hoefkens. That is 4 straight off the top of my head so no doubt there is more. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 23, 2017 13:10:19 GMT
Hoefkins was a shite defender who moaned about not playing in the centre. Fuller was well past his best and coming back from injuries. Crouch, Walters, Jerome and Jones were ahead on merit. Tuncay was a bad apple. Publically getting a taxi home from games instead of watching with his team mates. Lawrence 'fell over his dog' and turned into a Billy Big Bollox after getting too close to Beattie. As Will_75 says none of those lost their place down to Pulis not liking them. James Beattie was another who was definitely footballing reasons. And Pétur Marteinsson. We definitely had better defenders than him at the time. No question. parsons75 - Hoekfens was droppped for having young children. He is the only professional footballer in the world to have them. Maybe we had some defenders better than Martiensson. We certainly also had some worse than him - and some of them got constantly selected to play ahead of him. I thought the limited game time for Martiensson made no sense at the time and I have seen nothing since to change my opinion. In some of his very few appearances he looked very good indeed. And he was probably our best player in that friendly against Man Utd where Freezer scored a goal via the back of Barthez's head. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 23, 2017 13:17:46 GMT
We have heard on Twitter off people who played/worked directly with Berahino - and they have a difference of opinion to your sources. Yes you are correct in saying that Berahino acted foolishly by refusing to play, as did Pulis when screwing his bonus out of Palace, but I think you could also argue he deserved his bonus when you consider where he found them and where he left them and how hard he worked at doing so, there is not really any case for Berahino's lame ass actions though. Pulis didn't act foolishly. He committed fraud. Isn't refusing to play whilst still collecting your wage a type of fraud? |
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Post by Will_75 on Jan 23, 2017 13:18:29 GMT
James Beattie was another who was definitely footballing reasons. And Pétur Marteinsson. We definitely had better defenders than him at the time. No question. parsons75 - Hoekfens was droppped for having young children. He is the only professional footballer in the world to have them. Maybe we had some defenders better than Martiensson. We certainly also had some worse than him - and some of them got constantly selected to play ahead of him. I thought the limited game time for Martiensson made no sense at the time and I have seen nothing since to change my opinion. In some of his very few appearances he looked very good indeed. And he was probably our best player in that friendly against Man Utd where Freezer scored a goal via the back of Barthez's head. I think some people might be missing the sarcasm in my posts. Everyone who has responded so far by the look of it... |
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Post by werrington on Jan 23, 2017 13:24:09 GMT
Pulis didn't act foolishly. He committed fraud. Isn't refusing to play whilst still collecting your wage a type of fraud? That's breach of contract mate and he was fined accordingly |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 23, 2017 13:24:33 GMT
Maybe we had some defenders better than Martiensson. We certainly also had some worse than him - and some of them got constantly selected to play ahead of him. I thought the limited game time for Martiensson made no sense at the time and I have seen nothing since to change my opinion. In some of his very few appearances he looked very good indeed. And he was probably our best player in that friendly against Man Utd where Freezer scored a goal via the back of Barthez's head. I think some people might be missing the sarcasm in my posts. Everyone who has responded so far by the look of it... Ah. If I was the only one who made the mistake I have a problem. If we all made the same mistake then it is you who has the problem!  |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 23, 2017 13:25:04 GMT
Isn't refusing to play whilst still collecting your wage a type of fraud? That's breach of contract mate and he was fined accordingly It's certainly defrauding the fans Wez. |
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Post by Will_75 on Jan 23, 2017 13:25:38 GMT
Pulis didn't act foolishly. He committed fraud. Isn't refusing to play whilst still collecting your wage a type of fraud? erm, no. there needs to be an element of deception. |
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Post by werrington on Jan 23, 2017 13:26:10 GMT
That's breach of contract mate and he was fined accordingly It's certainly defrauding the fans Wez. Massive difference though mate |
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Post by Will_75 on Jan 23, 2017 13:27:13 GMT
I think some people might be missing the sarcasm in my posts. Everyone who has responded so far by the look of it... Ah. If I was the only one who made the mistake I have a problem. If we all made the same mistake then it is you who has the problem! is there an emoticon for "please read my posts in a sing-song bored teenager voice, with extra emphasis on the word definitely? |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 23, 2017 13:33:46 GMT
It's certainly defrauding the fans Wez. Massive difference though mate I don't particularly care what he's done in the past to a club I don't care for but people's eagerness to crucify Tone doesn't diminish the fact that what he did was disgraceful, the single biggest kick in the knackers you can give to supporters and the fault for it lies entirely at his door. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 23, 2017 13:35:16 GMT
Isn't refusing to play whilst still collecting your wage a type of fraud? erm, no. there needs to be an element of deception. If you were a West Brom season ticket holder I think you have every right to feel deceived by him. |
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Jan 23, 2017 14:31:00 GMT
Pretty much the same as I feel deceived by you when you post bollocks when I know you are perfectly capable of posting reasoned and intelligent comments. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 23, 2017 14:45:30 GMT
Pretty much the same as I feel deceived by you when you post bollocks when I know you are perfectly capable of posting reasoned and intelligent comments. So refusing to play for a club is now a perfectly reasonable course of action if Pulis is involved? You wankstains are so transparent!  |
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Jan 23, 2017 14:49:58 GMT
Now don't go all Donald Trump, momo. You're better than that. Well, I hope you are better than that! |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 23, 2017 15:27:55 GMT
Pretty much the same as I feel deceived by you when you post bollocks when I know you are perfectly capable of posting reasoned and intelligent comments. So refusing to play for a club is now a perfectly reasonable course of action if Pulis is involved? You wankstains are so transparent! No one has said that refusing to play for your club is a reasonable course of action. Most people on here have said that Berahino was daft to say he would not play - he probably even thinks that himself now he is older and (hopefully) wiser. But refusing to to play is not deception. If I or you refused to do our job we'd not get paid for the the days or weeks we refused to work and would probably get docked a week or two's wages on top of that. In other words, we'd get punished the same way as Berahino was punished. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 23, 2017 15:41:46 GMT
So refusing to play for a club is now a perfectly reasonable course of action if Pulis is involved? You wankstains are so transparent! No one has said that refusing to play for your club is a reasonable course of action. Most people on here have said that Berahino was daft to say he would not play - he probably even thinks that himself now he is older and (hopefully) wiser. But refusing to to play is not deception. If I or you refused to do our job we'd not get paid for the the days or weeks we refused to work and would probably get docked a week or two's wages on top of that. In other words, we'd get punished the same way as Berahino was punished. Other than his fine he continued to get paid when he refused to play. Clubs are terrified not to pay their players. Surely West Brom fans can feel deceived, who had every right to expect their best young player to give a shit. |
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Post by blurtonboy on Jan 23, 2017 15:49:26 GMT
Is there ever a thread about Pulis, on which Momo never defends him?
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Post by bringmesunshine on Jan 23, 2017 15:51:49 GMT
Is there ever a thread about Pulis, on which Momo never defends him? No, Never. |
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Post by bringmesunshine on Jan 23, 2017 15:55:53 GMT
No one has said that refusing to play for your club is a reasonable course of action. Most people on here have said that Berahino was daft to say he would not play - he probably even thinks that himself now he is older and (hopefully) wiser. But refusing to to play is not deception. If I or you refused to do our job we'd not get paid for the the days or weeks we refused to work and would probably get docked a week or two's wages on top of that. In other words, we'd get punished the same way as Berahino was punished. Other than his fine he continued to get paid when he refused to play. Clubs are terrified not to pay their players. Surely West Brom fans can feel deceived, who had every right to expect their best young player to give a shit. How can they have been deceived when he told them he wasn't going to play himself, that my friend is called honesty, deception is the act of lying, it's what the judge described Pulis of doing in a court of law. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 23, 2017 15:59:05 GMT
Is there ever a thread about Pulis, on which Momo never defends him? No, Never. Where have I defended him on this thread? I've merely pointed out that using Pulis's rap sheet in some way to diminish what Berahino did (which people HAVE done on this thread) really doesn't wash. If you're going to have a pop, then at least have the courtesy to read what's been posted.....unless you can produce exactly where I've defended Pulis of course. I won't hold my breath though as it clearly only happened in your heads |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 23, 2017 16:03:18 GMT
Other than his fine he continued to get paid when he refused to play. Clubs are terrified not to pay their players. Surely West Brom fans can feel deceived, who had every right to expect their best young player to give a shit. How can they have been deceived when he told them he wasn't going to play himself, that my friend is called honesty, deception is the act of lying, it's what the judge described Pulis of doing in a court of law. If you buy season ticket at the start of the season surely you expect players in the clubs employ to at least be available for selection. The fact that he decided only to observe this very basic courtesy in certain circumstances is a type of deception? |
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Post by robrigo on Jan 23, 2017 16:03:45 GMT
Living in the area of the great unwashed where the baggies and the dingles reside I have literally just witnessed a royal mail van drive past that had the words professionally put on the van in a royal mail emblem saying...Post Berahino...I thought it was class. Sad bastard that I am! One of those you had to be there moments no doubt.
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