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Post by blackpoolred on Jan 22, 2017 1:16:20 GMT
Why is it a ridiculous assertion, Pulis showed plenty integrity during his time here, our chairman had a great relationship with him. On the other hand if you read the WBA message board and listen to tweets then then WBA fans and players hated Berahino and could not wait to see the back of him. Why are you so keen to berate a man that did so much for our club and yet readily accept a player with no moral compass whatsoever. Also, if Pulis is solely out for himself and is as ruthless as many think on here, then why did he not play his star striker, at WBA, to help him win matches and get his win bonus, he is apparently very keen on getting bonuses. Did he show integrity during his time at Stoke City? He publicly slaughtered his bosses first time around - the Icelanders. So Berahino has no moral compass because he (foolishly) refused to play but Toxic has it in spades despite what 2 (TWO) High Court Judges say? I know for a fact what Pulis is like and I know what Berahino is like. Directly from people who have worked with the pair of them with no axe to grind whatsoever. Your heads gone mate. We have heard on Twitter off people who played/worked directly with Berahino - and they have a difference of opinion to your sources. Yes you are correct in saying that Berahino acted foolishly by refusing to play, as did Pulis when screwing his bonus out of Palace, but I think you could also argue he deserved his bonus when you consider where he found them and where he left them and how hard he worked at doing so, there is not really any case for Berahino's lame ass actions though. |
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Post by Davef on Jan 22, 2017 1:21:25 GMT
Did he show integrity during his time at Stoke City? He publicly slaughtered his bosses first time around - the Icelanders. So Berahino has no moral compass because he (foolishly) refused to play but Toxic has it in spades despite what 2 (TWO) High Court Judges say? I know for a fact what Pulis is like and I know what Berahino is like. Directly from people who have worked with the pair of them with no axe to grind whatsoever. Your heads gone mate. We have heard on Twitter off people who played/worked directly with Berahino - and they have a difference of opinion to your sources. Yes you are correct in saying that Berahino acted foolishly by refusing to play, as did Pulis when screwing his bonus out of Palace, but I think you could also argue he deserved his bonus when you consider where he found them and where he left them and how hard he worked at doing so, there is not really any case for Berahino's lame ass actions though. There are WBA fans who will testify that Saido's goals kept them up in 2012/13 |
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Jan 22, 2017 1:33:39 GMT
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 22, 2017 1:33:39 GMT
He refused to play for the club whilst the chairman was still there. The chairman who rejected Spurs bid and then rejected Saido's transfer request, not once but twice. That's when he went on strike. Both don't come out of it shining. However - what would your reaction be if this happened to you at work? Your employer says you can't go to a better company who will pay you more money and let's be frank will help you develop your career further. Balance is key here. Both parties have acted poorly but p be fair to Beranhino he did play for them again and he did score goals for them after that. You cant compare his type of work to the normal working man. If I want to quit then I hand my notice in. He is a contracted player who spat his dummy out when he did not get his own way. What happened to him happens to loads of footballers in every window. Did the club and chairman not spit their dummy's out or are they blameless in your eyes? Name me 10 of the loads of footballers it has happened too? |
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 22, 2017 8:28:15 GMT
Did he show integrity during his time at Stoke City? He publicly slaughtered his bosses first time around - the Icelanders. So Berahino has no moral compass because he (foolishly) refused to play but Toxic has it in spades despite what 2 (TWO) High Court Judges say? I know for a fact what Pulis is like and I know what Berahino is like. Directly from people who have worked with the pair of them with no axe to grind whatsoever. Your heads gone mate. We have heard on Twitter off people who played/worked directly with Berahino - and they have a difference of opinion to your sources. Yes you are correct in saying that Berahino acted foolishly by refusing to play, as did Pulis when screwing his bonus out of Palace, but I think you could also argue he deserved his bonus when you consider where he found them and where he left them and how hard he worked at doing so, there is not really any case for Berahino's lame ass actions though. So let's get this clear, you believe that a young lad, with a troubled upbringing, who has acted foolishly by refusing to play after being denied a dream move by a notoriously difficult Chairman has less integrity than a bloke who has been in front of two judges, who have questioned his character and been bang to rights? Forget what you have read on Twitter and what I know, on the face of it that is a pretty fucked up opinion, in my opinion! |
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Post by gregstokie on Jan 22, 2017 8:46:38 GMT
Does any of this REALLY matter? Nobody has all the facts to be able to have a true and accurate opinion on the subject either way. Only a handful of media based stories no doubt. Or West Brom fans views which are also based on the same.
The only fact is that Stoke have signed a young obviously tallented English striker. He has a great chance of doing really well for us based on what he's managed in the past, which is all important. Yes he may not do well, but that's the risk with any signings. Oh and we should be happy!
I'm all for Oatcakers having opinions and being able to have a voice on here to stir up potentially an interesting debate. However, (admittedly in my opinion) quite often this is not done in this manner but as a silly tit for tat squabble all about point scoring and potential silly name calling.
Now don't disagree with my opinion you dicks 😉
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Post by greyman on Jan 22, 2017 8:47:40 GMT
Did he show integrity during his time at Stoke City? He publicly slaughtered his bosses first time around - the Icelanders. So Berahino has no moral compass because he (foolishly) refused to play but Toxic has it in spades despite what 2 (TWO) High Court Judges say? I know for a fact what Pulis is like and I know what Berahino is like. Directly from people who have worked with the pair of them with no axe to grind whatsoever. Your heads gone mate. We have heard on Twitter off people who played/worked directly with Berahino - and they have a difference of opinion to your sources. Yes you are correct in saying that Berahino acted foolishly by refusing to play, as did Pulis when screwing his bonus out of Palace, but I think you could also argue he deserved his bonus when you consider where he found them and where he left them and how hard he worked at doing so, there is not really any case for Berahino's lame ass actions though. Pulis didn't act foolishly. He committed fraud. Say 'lame ass' again and I'll find where you live and send somebody round. |
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Post by VolvicStokie on Jan 22, 2017 9:40:13 GMT
Pulis lost me in Valencia!
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Post by salopstick on Jan 22, 2017 9:43:31 GMT
Pulis lost me in Valencia! His Stoke city epitaph |
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 22, 2017 9:54:07 GMT
We have heard on Twitter off people who played/worked directly with Berahino - and they have a difference of opinion to your sources. Yes you are correct in saying that Berahino acted foolishly by refusing to play, as did Pulis when screwing his bonus out of Palace, but I think you could also argue he deserved his bonus when you consider where he found them and where he left them and how hard he worked at doing so, there is not really any case for Berahino's lame ass actions though. Pulis didn't act foolishly. He committed fraud. Say 'lame ass' again and I'll find where you live and send somebody round. What is this lame ass ? As I need a couple of new hips am I a lame ass if so Would appreciate if you could send some one round to sort them out |
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jan 22, 2017 9:54:36 GMT
I always got the impression that he had been used in an internal political game - Pulis wanted the cash for his own payer. The chairman wanted a homegrown player or loads of money. The player didn't handle the situation well and Pulis did what we have seen him do with players throughout his career = made them look like the villain (just think back to his time with players such as Beattie and there are others). Throughout his managerial career Pulis has fallen out with every club he has managed with the exception of Stoke - check the internet for detail of the court case between Gillingham and Pulis. Check the internet for details of his court case at Palace. Read what the Bristol City fans think of him and it goes on and on. The interesting part for me is what Saido now does at Stoke and how he conducts himself - I don't really give a toss about how he was at WBA or what their fans think. I only care about our Club. I saw the interview with Saido and it wasn't what he said that impressed me the most it was the smile on his face. He appeared to be really happy to be free and away from WBA for whatever the reason(s) are. I guess we will never know the full story but we will know the spin which his old employers are allowed to spin but not their former employee. There is one very important point in that statement matey... "with the exception of Stoke " He has done nothing but good for our Club and as such should be revered as one of our greatest managers. If he was on the touchline shouting and balling against us and trying every trick in the book to out smart us...who can blame him. All is fair in love and war. I was never his biggest fan, I admit. But in retrospect he should have had a more respectful and structured end to his tenure at our Club. I genuinely believe he loved his time here and loved the Club. Why are we so bitter? In retrospect he should have had a more respectful and structured end to his tenure.........how more respectful could Coates have been?? We are bitter after his histrionics last season...respect what he did for our club, as a person he seems a total c*nt. |
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jan 22, 2017 9:58:58 GMT
Dont really get the hatred for Pulis on here. Yes hes an awkward fucker who knows what he wants and in his eyes things are black and white and he doesnt give a shit who or what boundaries he crosses to get what he wants. Tell me another manager who would have got us in this league. Pretty sure LMH wouldnt of We will never know. Wasnt like he did it on a shoestring was it? He was backed |
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 22, 2017 11:09:06 GMT
I said he has qualities,but my thoughts or yours on the the integrity of Berahino are irrelevant as they would be based on hearsay. Whilst "the fraudster Pulis" (the words of a judge )has been cited twice now in a court of law. As i said Pulis has qualities but integrity? Give over! I said in my original post that Pulis had more integrity than Berahino(not that he was a saint), so it is relevant what you think of Berahino. Berahino refused to play football for the team he was employed by, that is not hearsay, but fact in the same way Pulis was indicted. I personally think Pulis has more integrity than Berahino - that is my opinion - I was just interested to hear yours Integrity by definition is to be honest,sincere and trustworthy. Pulis has been proven not to be in a court of law. All Berahino did as a young 21 year old is to sulk and say some silly things when he didn't get his way.This was done in the heat of the moment and typical of most young adults. He later apologised and went on to play for the club.Pulis lied to gain access to millions of pounds making false claims about why he needed the money. So in my opinion Pulis lacks integrity, and Berahino's integrity shouldn't even be questioned,he acted rashly as a lot of 21 year old would have done. |
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Post by greyman on Jan 22, 2017 11:39:13 GMT
Pulis didn't act foolishly. He committed fraud. Say 'lame ass' again and I'll find where you live and send somebody round. What is this lame ass ? As I need a couple of new hips am I a lame ass if so Would appreciate if you could send some one round to sort them out We may have been unfair on him. He could well be a black American from the midwest. And not a twat. |
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Post by mickmillslegend on Jan 22, 2017 11:39:33 GMT
There are WBA fans who will testify that Saido's goals kept them up in 2012/13 No there aren't, Albion finished 8th that season.  Saido is quality. His finishing is second to none. But he will always be held back by what's between his ears. It's not just his social media outbursts, he was punched by James Morrison after helping to gift Cardiff a last minute equaliser and Uncle Roy Hodgson struggled to say a good word about the kid. I've got no doubt he will score goals and probably a hat-trick on Feb 4th, but ignore message board comments, have a look how many Albion players will line up to kick him that day. Good luck with him. |
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Post by Davef on Jan 22, 2017 11:42:34 GMT
There are WBA fans who will testify that Saido's goals kept them up in 2012/13 No there aren't, Albion finished 8th that season. Saido is quality. His finishing is second to none. But he will always be held back by what's between his ears. It's not just his social media outbursts, he was punched by James Morrison after helping to gift Cardiff a last minute equaliser and Uncle Roy Hodgson struggled to say a good word about the kid. I've got no doubt he will score goals and probably a hat-trick on Feb 4th, but ignore message board comments, have a look how many Albion players will line up to kick him that day. Good luck with him. 2013/14 then. |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 22, 2017 12:35:46 GMT
There are WBA fans who will testify that Saido's goals kept them up in 2012/13 No there aren't, Albion finished 8th that season. Saido is quality. His finishing is second to none. But he will always be held back by what's between his ears. It's not just his social media outbursts, he was punched by James Morrison after helping to gift Cardiff a last minute equaliser and Uncle Roy Hodgson struggled to say a good word about the kid. I've got no doubt he will score goals and probably a hat-trick on Feb 4th, but ignore message board comments, have a look how many Albion players will line up to kick him that day. Good luck with him. Doesn't that paint the club and its players in a rather negative light rather than Saido? James Morrison punching him, this apparent line of Albion players that will be kicking him, what Saido did at the time was foolish and ill thought out, but looking at those statements it seems it deteriorated into outright abuse and bullying, similar to the cuntery we had here with Michael Duberry and a few others. |
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Post by blackpoolred on Jan 22, 2017 16:54:35 GMT
I said in my original post that Pulis had more integrity than Berahino(not that he was a saint), so it is relevant what you think of Berahino. Berahino refused to play football for the team he was employed by, that is not hearsay, but fact in the same way Pulis was indicted. I personally think Pulis has more integrity than Berahino - that is my opinion - I was just interested to hear yours Integrity by definition is to be honest,sincere and trustworthy. Pulis has been proven not to be in a court of law. All Berahino did as a young 21 year old is to sulk and say some silly things when he didn't get his way.This was done in the heat of the moment and typical of most young adults. He later apologised and went on to play for the club.Pulis lied to gain access to millions of pounds making false claims about why he needed the money. So in my opinion Pulis lacks integrity, and Berahino's integrity shouldn't even be questioned,he acted rashly as a lot of 21 year old would have done. All good points, I would like to think that it was an act of youth and bad advice on Berahinos part. On the face of it, it does also look like Pulis act was one of greed and avariciousness, but your analysis does lean toward giving Berahino the benefit of the doubt, while not neccessarily affording Pulis any leeway. On the flip side you could argue that Pulis did work hard during his time here, he did get on with the chairman and they still have mutual respect for each other and he did, famously, turn up for a match hours after his mother died, as well as row the channel and run Marathons for various charities - That points to a man who does have at least a tad of integrity and work ethic and is not an outright TWAT - as referred to on here. On the other hand if you listen to the social media by WBA fans, team mates and the very people who worked close with him, then there is very little love or like for Berahino, if any at all - it is therfore not beyond the realms of possibility that the man does have a questionable character. Judging by the look of him I would say Pulis is probably the fitter of the two of them at the moment  The truth is probably somewhere in between for both of them, but I dont think it is as black & white as wholeheartedly condeming Pulis and at the same time putting Berahinos incident down to a small mistake he made because he was young. |
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 22, 2017 16:58:34 GMT
Integrity by definition is to be honest,sincere and trustworthy. Pulis has been proven not to be in a court of law. All Berahino did as a young 21 year old is to sulk and say some silly things when he didn't get his way.This was done in the heat of the moment and typical of most young adults. He later apologised and went on to play for the club.Pulis lied to gain access to millions of pounds making false claims about why he needed the money. So in my opinion Pulis lacks integrity, and Berahino's integrity shouldn't even be questioned,he acted rashly as a lot of 21 year old would have done. All good points, I would like to think that it was an act of youth and bad advice on Berahinos part. On the face of it, it does also look like Pulis act was one of greed and avariciousness, but your analysis does lean toward giving Berahino the benefit of the doubt, while not neccessarily affording Pulis any leeway. On the flip side you could argue that Pulis did work hard during his time here, he did get on with the chairman and they still have mutual respect for each other and he did, famously, turn up for a match hours after his mother died, as well as row the channel and run Marathons for various charities - That points to a man who does have at least a tad of integrity and work ethic and is not an outright TWAT - as referred to on here. On the other hand if you listen to the social media by WBA fans, team mates and the very people who worked close with him, then there is very little love or like for Berahino, if any at all - it is therfore not beyond the realms of possibility that the man does have a questionable character. Judging by the look of him I would say Pulis is probably the fitter of the two of them at the moment The truth is probably somewhere in between for both of them, but I dont think it is as black & white as wholeheartedly condeming Pulis and at the same time putting Berahinos incident down to a small mistake he made because he was young. Oh dear. |
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Post by blackpoolred on Jan 22, 2017 17:11:40 GMT
All good points, I would like to think that it was an act of youth and bad advice on Berahinos part. On the face of it, it does also look like Pulis act was one of greed and avariciousness, but your analysis does lean toward giving Berahino the benefit of the doubt, while not neccessarily affording Pulis any leeway. On the flip side you could argue that Pulis did work hard during his time here, he did get on with the chairman and they still have mutual respect for each other and he did, famously, turn up for a match hours after his mother died, as well as row the channel and run Marathons for various charities - That points to a man who does have at least a tad of integrity and work ethic and is not an outright TWAT - as referred to on here. On the other hand if you listen to the social media by WBA fans, team mates and the very people who worked close with him, then there is very little love or like for Berahino, if any at all - it is therfore not beyond the realms of possibility that the man does have a questionable character. Judging by the look of him I would say Pulis is probably the fitter of the two of them at the moment The truth is probably somewhere in between for both of them, but I dont think it is as black & white as wholeheartedly condeming Pulis and at the same time putting Berahinos incident down to a small mistake he made because he was young. Oh dear. It's beer time now and time for me to go and talk to humans and not this thing. I have made Pugs head explode with this debate - for which I apologise. Some have even threatened to come to my house and sort me out for daring to have a tad of empathy for our former manager What can I say - I have been truly beasted by fellow supporters - I am turning into benjibiscuit2 COYMP |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 17:13:44 GMT
The Baggies seem like quite a toxic club. What with that errant kid (now our rehab project), the punchy Irishman, Jeremy "Hitler" Peace, their on pitch histrionics, "The Chinese", and Court Case/Toxic Tony pulling a few strings.
Vile club.
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Post by greyman on Jan 22, 2017 17:34:05 GMT
It's beer time now and time for me to go and talk to humans and not this thing. I have made Pugs head explode with this debate - for which I apologise. Some have even threatened to come to my house and sort me out for daring to have a tad of empathy for our former manager What can I say - I have been truly beasted by fellow supporters - I am turning into benjibiscuit2 COYMP No. I threatened to send someone round to your house to stop you talking like a 13 year old black kid from Detroit. I'm ignoring the fact you think defrauding an employer is fine so long as you think you deserve the money you con out of them. Where do you work again? |
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Post by kustokie on Jan 22, 2017 17:39:38 GMT
You cant compare his type of work to the normal working man. If I want to quit then I hand my notice in. He is a contracted player who spat his dummy out when he did not get his own way. What happened to him happens to loads of footballers in every window. Did the club and chairman not spit their dummy's out or are they blameless in your eyes? Name me 10 of the loads of footballers it has happened too? Bego, N'zonzi, Payet, Walters, Costa: that's five off the top of my head |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 22, 2017 17:45:14 GMT
Did the club and chairman not spit their dummy's out or are they blameless in your eyes? Name me 10 of the loads of footballers it has happened too? Bego, N'zonzi, Payet, Walters, Costa: that's five off the top of my head No, afraid not. Did all 5 of those put in transfer requests that were turned down? |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 22, 2017 18:26:33 GMT
They're a funny bunch at the best of times.
They always used to say they'd prefer to be relegated than have Tone as manager and they wanted him out early on. Then lo and behold they win a few and now he's 100% right about Saido and we're welcome to him.
Me, I'll reserve judgement on a lad who joins a long list of talented players that the Capped One has fell out with/head butted in the past.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 18:40:34 GMT
They're a funny bunch at the best of times. They always used to say they'd prefer to be relegated than have Tone as manager and they wanted him out early on. Then lo and behold they win a few and now he's 100% right about Saido and we're welcome to him. Me, I'll reserve judgement on a lad who joins a long list of talented players that the Capped One has fell out with/head butted in the past. To be honest Jamo, even when they were anti-Pulis they were always mostly of the opinion that Berahino was the main sinner. The problems with him go back further than Pulis. Hopefully, if he was at fault this may have been down to youth, and maybe he's grown up a bit and genuinely wants a fresh start. Whatever their feelings towards him as a person. They rate him as a footballer very highly. Their view is that as a youth team player he was head and shoulders above Harry Kane. If we can unlock that talent we'll have some player. |
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Post by 3putts on Jan 23, 2017 10:48:36 GMT
Pulis lost me in Valencia! i went Valencia and chatted with many stokies.[at the union jack] everybody I spoke to was dissapointed with the team but we all could see the reason why. we had a very winnable home game coming up and we needed some points. besides the x1 that pulis put out acquitted themselves better than the starting x1 in the home leg |
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Post by itsajoytobeapotter on Jan 23, 2017 10:53:48 GMT
Did he show integrity during his time at Stoke City? He publicly slaughtered his bosses first time around - the Icelanders. So Berahino has no moral compass because he (foolishly) refused to play but Toxic has it in spades despite what 2 (TWO) High Court Judges say? I know for a fact what Pulis is like and I know what Berahino is like. Directly from people who have worked with the pair of them with no axe to grind whatsoever. Your heads gone mate. We have heard on Twitter off people who played/worked directly with Berahino - and they have a difference of opinion to your sources. Yes you are correct in saying that Berahino acted foolishly by refusing to play, as did Pulis when screwing his bonus out of Palace, but I think you could also argue he deserved his bonus when you consider where he found them and where he left them and how hard he worked at doing so, there is not really any case for Berahino's lame ass actions though. And if he had waited for another 2 weeks he could have kept the bonus he was entitled to. Whichever way you look at it there is something flawed in Pulis' make up. |
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Post by owdestokie on Jan 23, 2017 10:58:10 GMT
Pulis lost me in Valencia! i went Valencia and chatted with many stokies.[at the union jack] everybody I spoke to was dissapointed with the team but we all could see the reason why. we had a very winnable home game coming up and we needed some points. besides the x1 that pulis put out acquitted themselves better than the starting x1 in the home leg Put your tin hat on 😄 We had a great time at Valencia. In my bunker with tin hat on now. 😄 |
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