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Post by stokiejohnss on Nov 29, 2016 10:21:16 GMT
I imagine Coates kept a kindly close eye on Pulis - and would never have handed over any Millions earlier than agreed . It does show us all how greed can take you over , even coming from a relatively poor working class background.
Will we get an apology i wonder ?
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Post by roylandstoke on Nov 29, 2016 10:25:43 GMT
Pulis did a good job at Stoke and was well paid for his efforts.
I really couldn't give a toss about his dealings with CPFC or any other club.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 29, 2016 10:28:11 GMT
I imagine Coates kept a kindly close eye on Pulis - and would never have handed over any Millions earlier than agreed . It does show us all how greed can take you over , even coming from a relatively poor working class background. Will we get an apology i wonder ?Your last sentence has confused me. Will we (Stoke City?) get an apology about what - and who from? |
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Post by greyman on Nov 29, 2016 10:30:28 GMT
True. I hear there's a youth coach out of work at the moment who could do a job for us once he's out of hospital. Straight out of the Eric Bristow school of social media conduct that comment youth!  If we're dealing in proven facts (I know, a rarity on this messageboard and alien concept to some), then TP has been caught bang to rights by this latest judgement and can have absolutely zero complaints in now having to repay the money obtained fraudulently. His reputation in football forever tarnished, and only himself to blame. But the facts are also: There is no proof of any crooked / fraudulent activity during his time at Stoke (disagreeing with footballing methods doesn't count sadly!), he and Coates had a good working relationship (both TP and PC have gone on record stating that as fact), and it was clear to almost all that we parted company with him at the correct time for all concerned. To compare him to a convicted sexual predator who preyed upon young boys (however ironic you were being), just makes you look petty and bitter. We get it, you didn't like Pulis at Stoke, he did well for us, made you look a tit, move on.  Except I haven't done that. I'm just highlighting how ridiculous it is to try to separate somebody's character from their ability to do a job. As I said before, any club that employs him needs to make sure the contract is watertight and they shouldn't trust him with anything involving money. |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Nov 29, 2016 10:32:51 GMT
I imagine Coates kept a kindly close eye on Pulis - and would never have handed over any Millions earlier than agreed . It does show us all how greed can take you over , even coming from a relatively poor working class background. Will we get an apology i wonder ?Your last sentence has confused me. Will we (Stoke City?) get an apology about what - and who from? I think he means 'we' the world in general. Like when Southern Rail can't put trains on so 'we' all get an apology whether we want it or not. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 29, 2016 10:44:06 GMT
Sometimes the amount of poison on here is frightening.
Football is one of the most crooked industries in the world.
Pulis clearly seems to be, unfortunately, tainted by that corruption.
Fair enough. But the gloating and vindictiveness from some on here says more about the poster than it does about Pulis.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 29, 2016 10:45:12 GMT
Your last sentence has confused me. Will we (Stoke City?) get an apology about what - and who from? I think he means 'we' the world in general. Like when Southern Rail can't put trains on so 'we' all get an apology whether we want it or not. In which case, I would have thought the answer was, no we won't. An apology would sound like an admission of guilt. The last thing TP will do is admit guilt. So far we have had a CIVIL tribunal and a CIVIL appeal by TP against the tribunal result. The last thing he would want would be for there to be a CRIMINAL fraud case - and an admission of guilt would almost invite Palace to press for one. |
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Nov 29, 2016 10:49:56 GMT
wow i am genuinely surprise by the level of hatred on here for our former manager. i am not saying he is an angel but crystal palace and their chairmen have allways been odious little cunts.my only surprise is he aggreed to work their in the first place.when he went there palace where odds on for relegation so was surely due a hefty bonus for keeping them up.i do not understand why there is a date attached to the bonus[aug 31st] surely the bonus should have been due at the end of the season. i am really saddened by some of the words used to describe mr pulis on this mb. we have a lot to thank him for, people have short memories. i doubt we have heard the last of this case. He has been thanked. He was paid admirably for his services by Coates and Co. he was paid up and went on his way at the right time. Grateful, yes. Happy he's gone, yes. Memory short, no. Very lucid as to what he did and how it all ended. And towelgate.... He showed what sort of bloke he is when using the "people of Stoke would suffer" when escaping a deserved driving ban for doing 96mph on the Motorway..arrogant beyond belief. www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2118706/Tony-Pulis-dodges-driving-ban.html |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 29, 2016 10:51:26 GMT
I think I'd be pulling a sickie if I was a WBA player today , there's going to be some running and lots and los of hills ! For what it's worth I'll take my lead from the leaders Mr Coates clearly thinks in the round the relationship was mutually beneficial and is grateful for the efforts of TP , personally I could fall out with him every day but a bloke who drives through the night to manage our team on the day his mother died doesn't deserve some of the bile on here . its like a divorce the quicker you see the person for what you originally liked or respected the better for all parties don't let the acrimony of the end destroy the good things that went before . That old chestnut. My dad died on the same day as pulis's mother. I turned up at the game, on time I might add, and I wasn't paid 1m for doing so. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 29, 2016 10:54:08 GMT
He has been thanked. He was paid admirably for his services by Coates and Co. he was paid up and went on his way at the right time. Grateful, yes. Happy he's gone, yes. Memory short, no. Very lucid as to what he did and how it all ended. And towelgate.... He showed what sort of bloke he is when using the "people of Stoke would be affected" when escaping a deserved driving ban for doing 100mph on the M6..arrogant beyond belief. In the interests of balance it was more than likely his solicitor that dreamt up that defence rather than pulis himself. |
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Post by stokiejohnss on Nov 29, 2016 10:54:10 GMT
I meant if he has to pay up he eventually admits his guilt! Which let's face it looking at the facts as presented he surely is ?
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Post by pez75 on Nov 29, 2016 11:03:46 GMT
I remember the baggage he bought with him first time around which stank to high heaven, so this latest ruling comes as no surprise. Thankfully for whatever reason he & Coates seemed to have a good professional relationship until the end so we can still remember his contribution to Stoke with some affection.
However, this must surely show even his most ardent supporters that underneath it all TP is not a very nice man. You would think with his humble upbringing that he would be less affected by greed, especially as he is (was?) already a very wealthy man - but obviously not. Maybe he should count himself lucky as people can go to prison for this sort of thing.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 29, 2016 11:11:10 GMT
I remember the baggage he bought with him first time around which stank to high heaven, so this latest ruling comes as no surprise. Thankfully for whatever reason he & Coates seemed to have a good professional relationship until the end so we can still remember his contribution to Stoke with some affection. However, this must surely show even his most ardent supporters that underneath it all TP is not a very nice man. You would think with his humble upbringing that he would be less affected by greed, especially as he is (was?) already a very wealthy man - but obviously not. Maybe he should count himself lucky as people can go to prison for this sort of thing. As in America, only the poor go to prison, mate!  |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 29, 2016 11:19:40 GMT
I remember the baggage he bought with him first time around which stank to high heaven, so this latest ruling comes as no surprise. Thankfully for whatever reason he & Coates seemed to have a good professional relationship until the end so we can still remember his contribution to Stoke with some affection. However, this must surely show even his most ardent supporters that underneath it all TP is not a very nice man. You would think with his humble upbringing that he would be less affected by greed, especially as he is (was?) already a very wealthy man - but obviously not. Maybe he should count himself lucky as people can go to prison for this sort of thing.Only if there is a criminal case. So far all proceedings (the tribunal and the appeal against the tribunal verdict) have been CIVIL where the burden of proof is lower - i.e. civil courts deal in "probabilities" rather than "beyond reasonable doubt" which is the criminal standard of proof. However, should there ever be a CRIMINAL prosecution for fraud then he could go to prison if found guilty. As I said in an earlier post on this thread, it is for this reason that I doubt there will ever be an apology from TP over this case - an apology is almost like an admission of guilt and would make a successful criminal prosecution easier. |
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Post by stokiejohnss on Nov 29, 2016 11:26:02 GMT
If Pulis believes he is innocent of any wrongdoing he should take Place to court-he might make himself a few extra quid in the process!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 12:03:28 GMT
Having read the transcript it seems that TP was his usual arrogant self. CPFC seemed to be fairly reasonable in their dealings with TP offering to assist him in recovering the tax & NI, or deferring this part of the disputed amount for later consideration so as to help TP with his cash flow. This offer was "rejected thunderously" ....now, there's a surprise. So, TP is left with a substantial liability. 2.2MM in bonus plus 1.5MM LD's plus potential costs which I imagine will not be cheap. A costly day in court. Good day for Saido to go in and discuss the January window ? ................ not ! |
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Post by blurtonboy on Nov 29, 2016 12:04:46 GMT
Good job he wears most of the club shop, he will be able to go to them cap in hand.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 12:08:12 GMT
wow i am genuinely surprise by the level of hatred on here for our former manager. i am not saying he is an angel but crystal palace and their chairmen have allways been odious little cunts.my only surprise is he aggreed to work their in the first place.when he went there palace where odds on for relegation so was surely due a hefty bonus for keeping them up.i do not understand why there is a date attached to the bonus[aug 31st] surely the bonus should have been due at the end of the season. i am really saddened by some of the words used to describe mr pulis on this mb. we have a lot to thank him for, people have short memories. i doubt we have heard the last of this case. Pulis is a crook, and it's now official. |
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Post by Davef on Nov 29, 2016 12:08:48 GMT
I remember the baggage he bought with him first time around which stank to high heaven, so this latest ruling comes as no surprise. Thankfully for whatever reason he & Coates seemed to have a good professional relationship until the end so we can still remember his contribution to Stoke with some affection. However, this must surely show even his most ardent supporters that underneath it all TP is not a very nice man. You would think with his humble upbringing that he would be less affected by greed, especially as he is (was?) already a very wealthy man - but obviously not. Maybe he should count himself lucky as people can go to prison for this sort of thing. He had a good relationship with the Coates family because he was given everything he wanted. We saw under the previous regime - and at other clubs - just what goes on when he doesn't get his own way. |
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Post by bringmesunshine on Nov 29, 2016 12:21:15 GMT
He does loads for charity though. The charity thing hides a multitude of sins. But the Rimmerati won't have it, "he does a lot for charity" ergo he must be a good chap, its amazing that in these times people need to be reminded that just because a person raises money for charity it does not automatically make them whiter than white or a good bloke. |
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Post by bringmesunshine on Nov 29, 2016 12:25:24 GMT
Maison Pulis on bread and dripping for a while then! Not even a minute steak and chips, oh the irony. |
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Post by shrewspotter on Nov 29, 2016 12:30:19 GMT
So did Pulis ever buy this land???
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Post by Davef on Nov 29, 2016 12:30:47 GMT
So did Pulis ever buy this land??? What land? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 12:33:22 GMT
I remember the baggage he bought with him first time around which stank to high heaven, so this latest ruling comes as no surprise. Thankfully for whatever reason he & Coates seemed to have a good professional relationship until the end so we can still remember his contribution to Stoke with some affection. However, this must surely show even his most ardent supporters that underneath it all TP is not a very nice man. You would think with his humble upbringing that he would be less affected by greed, especially as he is (was?) already a very wealthy man - but obviously not. Maybe he should count himself lucky as people can go to prison for this sort of thing. What a horrible corrupt business football is fifa fa pl all stink Pulis obviously came to us with baggage and continues to court it but those he fell out with scally the bloke from Pompey, Mandarij ?, all have their darksides I was a big big TP fan I dint want him to go but what has come out proves it was the right time. At the time i was little more than miffed at getting to Manchester Airport at 04-00 AM to be met with the squad announcement now i find it annoying that the only chance i may get to see Stoke in Euro competition has been devalued by a person who seemingly has low values With every turn Uncle Peters stock rises |
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Post by shrewspotter on Nov 29, 2016 12:38:29 GMT
So did Pulis ever buy this land??? What land? Apparantly he wanted his bonus money early to buy some land, however once Parish had given him his £2.1m he did one on the eve of the new season, Parish said he was mislead as there was never any land and it was a lie to get the money early from Parish .
Think that's where all the story stems from. However I could be completely wrong and making a tit of myself
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 29, 2016 12:39:11 GMT
I think I'd be pulling a sickie if I was a WBA player today , there's going to be some running and lots and los of hills ! For what it's worth I'll take my lead from the leaders Mr Coates clearly thinks in the round the relationship was mutually beneficial and is grateful for the efforts of TP , personally I could fall out with him every day but a bloke who drives through the night to manage our team on the day his mother died doesn't deserve some of the bile on here . its like a divorce the quicker you see the person for what you originally liked or respected the better for all parties don't let the acrimony of the end destroy the good things that went before . It's funny that Benj. you trust Mr Coates to hire, manage and eventually fire TP but you don't trust his judgement in relation to the current manager or the performance of the team. |
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Post by Davef on Nov 29, 2016 12:39:55 GMT
Apparantly he wanted his bonus money early to buy some land, however once Parish had given him his £2.1m he did one on the eve of the new season, Parish said he was mislead as there was never any land and it was a lie to get the money early from Parish .
Think that's where all the story stems from. However I could be completely wrong and making a tit of myself
As Parrish said, there was no land.  |
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Post by shrewspotter on Nov 29, 2016 12:41:06 GMT
Apparantly he wanted his bonus money early to buy some land, however once Parish had given him his £2.1m he did one on the eve of the new season, Parish said he was mislead as there was never any land and it was a lie to get the money early from Parish .
Think that's where all the story stems from. However I could be completely wrong and making a tit of myself
There was no land. what a fecking liar |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 29, 2016 12:43:05 GMT
So did Pulis ever buy this land??? I take it you haven't read the transcript on the links on the top of the thread. Put it this way, TP has been unable to convince either the tribunal or the judge hearing his appeal, that there ever was any land let alone that he ever tried to buy it. You'd think if there were £millions at stake in the original tribunal and later, in his appeal, then TP would not have found it too difficult to demonstrate that there was a plot of land and that he had tried to buy it. The fact that he didn't manage to come up with any evidence suggests it was all a product of his fertile imagination. I don't see how it can be described as anything but fraud. |
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 29, 2016 12:46:01 GMT
Short memories some of you. He did a fantastic job for us and went on to save Palace from certain relegation which would have cost them a fortune. Ah well I guess after 4 years away from us some just can't get him out of their head, Quite correct. He did a great job for us, no matter what his character. You'll go a long way to find saints in football. (Ian St John? ) The irony being that Toxic himself always prattled on about player character and DNA and people lapped it up. Practice what you preach mate. |
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