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Post by crapslinger on Nov 5, 2016 19:45:07 GMT
I know lying is second nature to the leave - but over half the population voted to leave? You are a fucking embarrassment . Over half the population who could be arsed to vote. Better Maybe these mard arsed remainiacs should be turning their anger on the idle fcukers who could not be arsed to vote, maybe if they had bothered along with the other 70% of us they might have tipped the balance in favour of remain, fact is they did not hence remain lost Brexit supporters carried the day all democratically of course .
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 5, 2016 19:45:22 GMT
So after the dust has settled and the hangover has gone it is correct that the process proceeds through the court system. I'm sure the Commons will pass the triggering of Article 50 but I'm not so sure about the Lords. There are enough Liberal Democrat and Labour Lords to secure a majority against. Unfortunately I feel the process will now be entrenched in legal battles for years to come. I think the Lords will pass it, if only through a sense of self-preservation. If they reject it the Lords as an unelected chamber would be dismantled within a couple of years. Parliament will override the Lords using the Parliament Acts if the Lords block it. The Queen could block it and then abdicate though!
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Post by Titan Uranus on Nov 5, 2016 19:46:24 GMT
The editors of the Daily Mail. Daily Mail and the Sun should make unreserved, unconditional public and front page apologies to the High Court judges they have slandered. This is how the Nazi regime started. And Daily Express
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 5, 2016 19:49:16 GMT
I think the Lords will pass it, if only through a sense of self-preservation. If they reject it the Lords as an unelected chamber would be dismantled within a couple of years. Parliament will override the Lords using the Parliament Acts if the Lords block it. The Queen could block it and then abdicate though! Is that the sound of someone grasping at straws I hear.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 5, 2016 19:50:40 GMT
What a giant fucking mess they've created. Truly wonderful work. GE next year presumably, with zero clarity on party positions, no clear manifesto and most likely the worst turn out in voting history. An absolute clusterfuck. Sent from my SM-G928F using proboards May says no GE until 2020 If there is one, I can see UKIP taking a lot of votes from labour Just like they did in the last election.
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Post by Northy on Nov 5, 2016 19:52:00 GMT
Continuing to blame Cameron for allowing the referendum is an insult to over half the population who voted out. It was a referendum that the people wanted hence his promise in the first place. Not that it matters to the overall outcome, but the people never demanded a referendum. The Eurosceptic wing of the Tory party did, and Cameron gave it to them in the belief that we would vote to remain. Blair promised us a referendum in his 2005 manifesto, he didnt give it to us before they signed the Lisbon treaty, Cameron campaigned against this contempt that labour had against its promise, he was following up on his original canpaign
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 5, 2016 19:56:45 GMT
Not that it matters to the overall outcome, but the people never demanded a referendum. The Eurosceptic wing of the Tory party did, and Cameron gave it to them in the belief that we would vote to remain. Blair promised us a referendum in his 2005 manifesto, he didnt give it to us before they signed the Lisbon treaty, Cameron campaigned against this contempt that labour had against its promise, he was following up on his original canpaign Tony the liar typical Labour leader, promise the mass's democracy then shit on them no wonder so many working class voters have consigned them to the political scrap heap.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 5, 2016 20:27:41 GMT
Parliament will override the Lords using the Parliament Acts if the Lords block it. The Queen could block it and then abdicate though! Is that the sound of someone grasping at straws I hear. I'd love for her to do that. And she would be right to.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Nov 5, 2016 20:36:04 GMT
Regardless of what you voted and your opinion this whole thing has been ill-prepared, ill-thought out and shambolic in it's plan of implementation. It will cost this country billions of pounds and the country will be in a state of uncertainty and chaos for probably five years minimum. It is an absolute, total clusterfuck
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 5, 2016 20:43:44 GMT
If this forced to a vote in Parliament will the names of the MP's and the outcome they voted for be published ? This sort of sums you up...you seriously know fuck all about parliamentary democracy or procedure do you? Why should you have a working knowledge about parliamentary procedure to have an opinion of whether we stay in Europe or leave? The arrogance of the self appointed Remainer intelligentsia is staggering.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Nov 5, 2016 20:50:43 GMT
Continuing to blame Cameron for allowing the referendum is an insult to over half the population who voted out. It was a referendum that the people wanted hence his promise in the first place. Cameron never wanted a referendum you clown and nowhere near half the population voted out you muppet. He was fully expecting another hung parliament and could then rely on the LDs not being prepared to provide the votes needed for the referendum to go ahead. Unfortunately for him he won! and was then hoist by his own petard as they say. In short, David Cameron was not a very good politician which is why he has now given it up to grow up and do something else while the country fucks itself up completely over brexit, the silly cunt. Brexit will still probably go ahead, although by the time it does I reckon more people will be against it than are for it, which goes to show the stupidity of the entire thing. Round of applause.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 5, 2016 20:51:20 GMT
I thank you
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2016 20:53:33 GMT
Is that the sound of someone grasping at straws I hear. I'd love for her to do that. And she would be right to. Why would our queen hand our countries powers to the EU? I think she would have voted brexit if she could have voted. She is our ruler, however i wish she would grow a pair, our royal family should be more vocal.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 5, 2016 20:54:26 GMT
This sort of sums you up...you seriously know fuck all about parliamentary democracy or procedure do you? Why should you have a working knowledge about parliamentary procedure to have an opinion of whether we stay in Europe or leave? The arrogance of the self appointed Remainer intelligentsia is staggering. Because if someone doesn't know about how the British legislative body works they almost certainly won't know how the EU legislative body works. If they don't know that (and lots of other things about the EU and how it impacts on us) then they are not qualified to vote on whether we should leave or remain in the EU because they don't understand the EU.
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Post by Northy on Nov 5, 2016 20:59:06 GMT
Continuing to blame Cameron for allowing the referendum is an insult to over half the population who voted out. It was a referendum that the people wanted hence his promise in the first place. Cameron never wanted a referendum you clown and nowhere near half the population voted out you muppet. He was fully expecting another hung parliament and could then rely on the LDs not being prepared to provide the votes needed for the referendum to go ahead. Unfortunately for him he won! and was then hoist by his own petard as they say. In short, David Cameron was not a very good politician which is why he has now given it up to grow up and do something else while the country fucks itself up completely over brexit, the silly cunt. Brexit will still probably go ahead, although by the time it does I reckon more people will be against it than are for it, which goes to show the stupidity of the entire thing. of course he wanted a referendum, he campaigned for one 2005-07 when bliar promised us one and didnt deliver it when they signed the Lisbon treaty
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 5, 2016 20:59:09 GMT
Why should you have a working knowledge about parliamentary procedure to have an opinion of whether we stay in Europe or leave? The arrogance of the self appointed Remainer intelligentsia is staggering. Because if someone doesn't know about how the British legislative body works they almost certainly won't know how the EU legislative body works. If they don't know that (and lots of other things about the EU and how it impacts on us) then they are not qualified to vote on whether we should leave or remain in the EU because they don't understand the EU. I think that probably includes 90% of the country then, including the remain supporters.
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 5, 2016 20:59:15 GMT
Blair promised us a referendum in his 2005 manifesto, he didnt give it to us before they signed the Lisbon treaty, Cameron campaigned against this contempt that labour had against its promise, he was following up on his original canpaign Tony the liar typical Labour leader, promise the mass's democracy then shit on them no wonder so many working class voters have consigned them to the political scrap heap. Tony existed in the high octagon of social media & took on some world changing issues head on, as did Gordon. Cameron did £& all than £& himself, but Maggie manipulated her reign in a time of more honourable folk, just like a sociopath might do. She's the great deceiver & the $#!t of her time still stinks. Sniff & smell the stench
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 5, 2016 20:59:38 GMT
Cameron never wanted a referendum you clown and nowhere near half the population voted out you muppet. He was fully expecting another hung parliament and could then rely on the LDs not being prepared to provide the votes needed for the referendum to go ahead. Unfortunately for him he won! and was then hoist by his own petard as they say. In short, David Cameron was not a very good politician which is why he has now given it up to grow up and do something else while the country fucks itself up completely over brexit, the silly cunt. Brexit will still probably go ahead, although by the time it does I reckon more people will be against it than are for it, which goes to show the stupidity of the entire thing. Round of applause. For a man who had the sense to vote leave
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Post by Titan Uranus on Nov 5, 2016 21:00:34 GMT
Why should you have a working knowledge about parliamentary procedure to have an opinion of whether we stay in Europe or leave? The arrogance of the self appointed Remainer intelligentsia is staggering. Because if someone doesn't know about how the British legislative body works they almost certainly won't know how the EU legislative body works. If they don't know that (and lots of other things about the EU and how it impacts on us) then they are not qualified to vote on whether we should leave or remain in the EU because they don't understand the EU. Correct. I stated months before the referendum that this was too important and complicated an issue for the great British public to vote on.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 5, 2016 21:03:07 GMT
Because if someone doesn't know about how the British legislative body works they almost certainly won't know how the EU legislative body works. If they don't know that (and lots of other things about the EU and how it impacts on us) then they are not qualified to vote on whether we should leave or remain in the EU because they don't understand the EU. I think that probably includes 90% of the country then, including the remain supporters. Along with most of the EU who don't understand the EU.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 5, 2016 21:05:18 GMT
Continuing to blame Cameron for allowing the referendum is an insult to over half the population who voted out. It was a referendum that the people wanted hence his promise in the first place. Cameron never wanted a referendum you clown and nowhere near half the population voted out you muppet. He was fully expecting another hung parliament and could then rely on the LDs not being prepared to provide the votes needed for the referendum to go ahead. Unfortunately for him he won! and was then hoist by his own petard as they say. In short, David Cameron was not a very good politician which is why he has now given it up to grow up and do something else while the country fucks itself up completely over brexit, the silly cunt. Brexit will still probably go ahead, although by the time it does I reckon more people will be against it than are for it, which goes to show the stupidity of the entire thing. I didn't say he wanted it. I said he allowed it. He had to after critising Blair for denying a referendum promised in the labour manifesto. Regardless of the result the matter needed putting to bed. The voting public has rejected the EU by a majority. A small majority but a majority all the same. No amount of moaning and name calling will change that. The sooner parliament whips the MPs into pressing that button the better. The sooner then the country can start making Brexit work. The reality is we have to make it work because it will happen.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 5, 2016 21:05:54 GMT
Because if someone doesn't know about how the British legislative body works they almost certainly won't know how the EU legislative body works. If they don't know that (and lots of other things about the EU and how it impacts on us) then they are not qualified to vote on whether we should leave or remain in the EU because they don't understand the EU. Correct. I stated months before the referendum that this was too important and complicated an issue for the great British public to vote on. condescending arrogant no body, who gives a flying FCUK what you stated.
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Post by Northy on Nov 5, 2016 21:06:21 GMT
of course he wanted a referendum, he campaigned for one 2005-07 when bliar promised us one and didnt deliver it when they signed the Lisbon treaty You daft twat - he was in opposition, opposing what the government does, that's how opposition works, duhhhhhh. Could've given us a referendum anytime between 2010 and 2015 if he'd really wanted to couldn't he, the LDs caved on tuition fees do you really think he'd have let them get in the way of a referendum? Come on, wake up! Never wanted one, had to do it cos he'd said he would, got stuck with it once he had a majority and lost it. Utter fucking twat. Now fucks off and earns a fortune with the country he led utterly fucked up. Twat of the highest order. you are getting very abusive to people who dont agree with you, that normally means youve lost it, its time to leave this thread unless you can be civil with people I think
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 5, 2016 21:06:33 GMT
Because if someone doesn't know about how the British legislative body works they almost certainly won't know how the EU legislative body works. If they don't know that (and lots of other things about the EU and how it impacts on us) then they are not qualified to vote on whether we should leave or remain in the EU because they don't understand the EU. Correct. I stated months before the referendum that this was too important and complicated an issue for the great British public to vote on. So because someone doesn't have a knowledge of the EU legislation and even the secondary legislation, regulations, directives and decisions, they shouldn't have have an opinion or a vote on whether we stay in the EU?. The EU love people like you
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 5, 2016 21:07:08 GMT
Because if someone doesn't know about how the British legislative body works they almost certainly won't know how the EU legislative body works. If they don't know that (and lots of other things about the EU and how it impacts on us) then they are not qualified to vote on whether we should leave or remain in the EU because they don't understand the EU. I think that probably includes 90% of the country then, including the remain supporters. Probably right, which is why we have a representative democracy instead of a direct one and the great unwashed don't get to fuck the country up by voting in referendums for zero taxes, the return of the death penalty, and all the other stuff which they think would make the country great again but would in fact utterly shaft it, just like brexit will.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 5, 2016 21:07:14 GMT
Because if someone doesn't know about how the British legislative body works they almost certainly won't know how the EU legislative body works. If they don't know that (and lots of other things about the EU and how it impacts on us) then they are not qualified to vote on whether we should leave or remain in the EU because they don't understand the EU. Correct. I stated months before the referendum that this was too important and complicated an issue for the great British public to vote on. Let's just live in a dictatorship then. The great British public are better than some give us credit for
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Post by Titan Uranus on Nov 5, 2016 21:08:22 GMT
Because if someone doesn't know about how the British legislative body works they almost certainly won't know how the EU legislative body works. If they don't know that (and lots of other things about the EU and how it impacts on us) then they are not qualified to vote on whether we should leave or remain in the EU because they don't understand the EU. I think that probably includes 90% of the country then, including the remain supporters. Correct
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 5, 2016 21:13:18 GMT
you are getting very abusive to people who dont agree with you, that normally means youve lost it, its time to leave this thread unless you can be civil with people I think Piss off dickhead, time for you to make some sense and I might take you seriously, otherwise leave the thread for people who can Funny that you say fuck all to crapslinger innit, hypocritical twat Someone can't take their ale methinks
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 5, 2016 21:15:25 GMT
of course he wanted a referendum, he campaigned for one 2005-07 when bliar promised us one and didnt deliver it when they signed the Lisbon treaty You daft twat - he was in opposition, opposing what the government does, that's how opposition works, duhhhhhh. Could've given us a referendum anytime between 2010 and 2015 if he'd really wanted to couldn't he, the LDs caved on tuition fees do you really think he'd have let them get in the way of a referendum? Come on, wake up! Never wanted one, had to do it cos he'd said he would, got stuck with it once he had a majority and lost it. Utter fucking twat. Now fucks off and earns a fortune with the country he led utterly fucked up. Twat of the highest order. You seem very angry for someone who voted Brexit
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Post by Titan Uranus on Nov 5, 2016 21:16:26 GMT
Correct. I stated months before the referendum that this was too important and complicated an issue for the great British public to vote on. Let's just live in a dictatorship then. The great British public are better than some give us credit for With all due respect Salop... I don't think anyone on this message board (including myself of course) could stand up to scrutinization on this subject. My own view was that there should have been an independent, part cross-party, part business, part academic that had a two year remit and then a formal statement of facts and possibilities of stay or remain. Long drawn out bullsh it?? Probably .... but nothing compared to what's gonna happen now mate.
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