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Post by flea79 on Nov 4, 2016 10:46:22 GMT
Don't like Blair, northwich, he's a virtual conservative anyway, but IMHO it should be an across the board decision. It was voted on by the nation, so in my view, why should a Tory government have the final say on Brexit! If they all have a say, you couldn't really blame anyone for any cock ups. Like I say, Cameron caused what's happening, and then walks away, after leaving a government with no plan after an out vote. Pathetic IMHO. Yet again the poorer elements suffer at the hands of these politicians. lets face it leaving was a shock result, the plan if we voted to leave was probably written on a post it note, nobody really expected this to happen
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 4, 2016 10:51:33 GMT
Yes, I said so on the first page of this thread. Almost missed it - but nice trying saying that I'm gloating. Remember, I voted to remain - I essentially lost. No gloating here. "I know Brexit will be rumbling on for years, and will be pissing myself laughing at all the brave, noble Brexiteers" "Comedy Gold" That's gloating mate. Laughing at some of the stupidity on here is not gloating. As I said before, I've nothing to gloat about. We will be out of the EU, when I thought we should stay in.
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Nov 4, 2016 10:55:48 GMT
was there this sort of hysteria in the 70's when the last vote was held? Of course not..it was a vote to join the Common Market which was purely a trade agreement which has since morphed into the EU. Our soveriegnity was pissed away without consultation by various governments since. No one back then thought it was a vote to join a superstate ruled by unelected bureaucrats under the supervision of the German Chancellor.
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 4, 2016 11:21:31 GMT
Alternatively those who voted to fiercely retain the sovereignty of Parliament and our constitution are suddenly happy for an unelected Prime Minister to do deals in secret and cut Parliament out of the process. They're so outraged by the thought, may take this one all the way to the European court for true justice! Love them or hate them this conservative government was elected by the people, we then had a referendum and the people voted to leave the EU As John Lydon said,"I've spoken to the man on the street & he's a cnut!"
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 4, 2016 11:30:53 GMT
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Nov 4, 2016 11:50:04 GMT
What a giant fucking mess they've created. Truly wonderful work. GE next year presumably, with zero clarity on party positions, no clear manifesto and most likely the worst turn out in voting history. An absolute clusterfuck. Sent from my SM-G928F using proboards
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 4, 2016 11:54:16 GMT
bah - post deleted as I've just seen it posted on another thread.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 11:57:45 GMT
Love them or hate them this conservative government was elected by the people, we then had a referendum and the people voted to leave the EU As John Lydon said,"I've spoken to the man on the street & he's a cnut!" Thank you man on the street Now to us men on a message board
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Post by Northy on Nov 4, 2016 12:48:24 GMT
What a giant fucking mess they've created. Truly wonderful work. GE next year presumably, with zero clarity on party positions, no clear manifesto and most likely the worst turn out in voting history. An absolute clusterfuck. Sent from my SM-G928F using proboards May says no GE until 2020 If there is one, I can see UKIP taking a lot of votes from labour
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Post by serpico on Nov 4, 2016 14:09:14 GMT
I'm sure the primary motive for the people behind this challenge (the main driver being the wife of a city hedge fund manager who said Brexit made her feel "physically sick) is to make sure we're following the proper constitutional procedures!
Pro remain MPs are too cowardly to actually vote against Brexit now because they'll likely get lynched after doing so.They'll vote to trigger atricle50 but make sure any brexit deal makes us a virtual member of the EU.
you can check out any time you like but you can never leave, welcome to the hotel EU!
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 4, 2016 18:51:59 GMT
you can check out any time you like but you can never leave, welcome to the hotel EU! Like it
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Post by hammered on Nov 4, 2016 21:47:42 GMT
I doubt this will be the last desperate attempt to derail or reverse, although I welcome the opportunity for Parliament to debate and ratify the Referendums decision.
Not to do so would see Remain continue as a bad smell polluting and undermining the process. The whole world knows we’re leaving. There is no way Brexit won’t happen. Our MP’s have a duty to follow the will of the majority.
Some will be voting for their jobs.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 4, 2016 21:59:12 GMT
I doubt this will be the last desperate attempt to derail or reverse, although I welcome the opportunity for Parliament to debate and ratify the Referendums decision. Not to do so would see Remain continue as a bad smell polluting and undermining the process. The whole world knows we’re leaving. There is no way Brexit won’t happen. Our MP’s have a duty to follow the will of the majority. Some will be voting for their jobs. If this forced to a vote in Parliament will the names of the MP's and the outcome they voted for be published ?
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Post by chuffedstokie on Nov 4, 2016 22:04:49 GMT
I doubt this will be the last desperate attempt to derail or reverse, although I welcome the opportunity for Parliament to debate and ratify the Referendums decision. Not to do so would see Remain continue as a bad smell polluting and undermining the process. The whole world knows we’re leaving. There is no way Brexit won’t happen. Our MP’s have a duty to follow the will of the majority. Some will be voting for their jobs. I wonder how many times parliament will debate any package put in front of them?.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 4, 2016 22:49:42 GMT
I doubt this will be the last desperate attempt to derail or reverse, although I welcome the opportunity for Parliament to debate and ratify the Referendums decision. Not to do so would see Remain continue as a bad smell polluting and undermining the process. The whole world knows we’re leaving. There is no way Brexit won’t happen. Our MP’s have a duty to follow the will of the majority. Some will be voting for their jobs. If this forced to a vote in Parliament will the names of the MP's and the outcome they voted for be published ? Have you not heard of Hansard, everything is recorded and documented there. As has been said the vote to “accept” brexit as a decision will sail through, the delaying will start once the actual deal begins to become clear. All the people who told you voting leave meant leaving the single market will say they went to stay in the single market. Actually what it really means is you possibly lose tariff free access to the single market however as we were having to contribute a net 5 billion or whatever to the EU for this,it was not really tariff free to us a country.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 5, 2016 1:04:24 GMT
I doubt this will be the last desperate attempt to derail or reverse, although I welcome the opportunity for Parliament to debate and ratify the Referendums decision. Not to do so would see Remain continue as a bad smell polluting and undermining the process. The whole world knows we’re leaving. There is no way Brexit won’t happen. Our MP’s have a duty to follow the will of the majority. Some will be voting for their jobs. If this forced to a vote in Parliament will the names of the MP's and the outcome they voted for be published ? This sort of sums you up...you seriously know fuck all about parliamentary democracy or procedure do you?
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 5, 2016 8:19:22 GMT
If this forced to a vote in Parliament will the names of the MP's and the outcome they voted for be published ? This sort of sums you up...you seriously know fuck all about parliamentary democracy or procedure do you? Totally agree. It is a prime example why referenda are terrible, particularly on such a complex issue.
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 5, 2016 9:07:40 GMT
The whole world knows we’re leaving. There is no way Brexit won’t happen. Our MP’s have a duty to follow the will of the majority. Some will be voting for their jobs. It was a b%!!%#&$ of vanity project, set up by a hobby PM & the equivalent of a bunch of screaming kids that wanted to upturn the apple cart voted for it, for someone else to sort out their $#!t, but they smashed the cart & the apples are £@#&ed. if we have a snap election it won't matter who you vote for, cause they will be like the captain of the ship of fools. Steady as she blows!!!
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Post by salopstick on Nov 5, 2016 9:15:18 GMT
Continuing to blame Cameron for allowing the referendum is an insult to over half the population who voted out.
It was a referendum that the people wanted hence his promise in the first place.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 5, 2016 9:41:31 GMT
Continuing to blame Cameron for allowing the referendum is an insult to over half the population who voted out. It was a referendum that the people wanted hence his promise in the first place. Not that it matters to the overall outcome, but the people never demanded a referendum. The Eurosceptic wing of the Tory party did, and Cameron gave it to them in the belief that we would vote to remain.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 5, 2016 10:11:08 GMT
Continuing to blame Cameron for allowing the referendum is an insult to over half the population who voted out. It was a referendum that the people wanted hence his promise in the first place. Not that it matters to the overall outcome, but the people never demanded a referendum. The Eurosceptic wing of the Tory party did, and Cameron gave it to them in the belief that we would vote to remain. So the 4m people who voted for UKIP at the general election didn't want a referendum they just liked Nigels idea to make taxi drivers wear a uniform?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 5, 2016 10:18:04 GMT
Not that it matters to the overall outcome, but the people never demanded a referendum. The Eurosceptic wing of the Tory party did, and Cameron gave it to them in the belief that we would vote to remain. So the 4m people who voted for UKIP at the general election didn't want a referendum they just liked Nigels idea to make taxi drivers wear a uniform? Four million people is less than 10% of the population (and I would guess about 15% of the voting-age population). To say the people as a collective wanted a referendum, is not true. Less than 10% of the population did.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 5, 2016 10:23:31 GMT
So the 4m people who voted for UKIP at the general election didn't want a referendum they just liked Nigels idea to make taxi drivers wear a uniform? Four million people is less than 10% of the population (and I would guess about 15% of the voting-age population). To say the people as a collective wanted a referendum, is not true. Less than 10% of the population did. And the turn out was ?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 5, 2016 10:40:57 GMT
Four million people is less than 10% of the population (and I would guess about 15% of the voting-age population). To say the people as a collective wanted a referendum, is not true. Less than 10% of the population did. And the turn out was ? Are you talking about the result of the referendum, the percentage turnout for the referendum, or the percentage turnout for the 2015 general election?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 5, 2016 13:39:25 GMT
So after the dust has settled and the hangover has gone it is correct that the process proceeds through the court system.
I'm sure the Commons will pass the triggering of Article 50 but I'm not so sure about the Lords. There are enough Liberal Democrat and Labour Lords to secure a majority against.
Unfortunately I feel the process will now be entrenched in legal battles for years to come.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 5, 2016 13:48:52 GMT
So after the dust has settled and the hangover has gone it is correct that the process proceeds through the court system. I'm sure the Commons will pass the triggering of Article 50 but I'm not so sure about the Lords. There are enough Liberal Democrat and Labour Lords to secure a majority against. Unfortunately I feel the process will now be entrenched in legal battles for years to come. I think the Lords will pass it, if only through a sense of self-preservation. If they reject it the Lords as an unelected chamber would be dismantled within a couple of years.
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Post by capto on Nov 5, 2016 17:53:32 GMT
Continuing to blame Cameron for allowing the referendum is an insult to over half the population who voted out. It was a referendum that the people wanted hence his promise in the first place. I know lying is second nature to the leave - but over half the population voted to leave? You are a fucking embarrassment .
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Post by salopstick on Nov 5, 2016 17:58:14 GMT
Continuing to blame Cameron for allowing the referendum is an insult to over half the population who voted out. It was a referendum that the people wanted hence his promise in the first place. I know lying is second nature to the leave - but over half the population voted to leave? You are a fucking embarrassment . Over half the population who could be arsed to vote. Better
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Post by felonious on Nov 5, 2016 18:13:38 GMT
I know lying is second nature to the leave - but over half the population voted to leave? You are a fucking embarrassment . Over half the population who could be arsed to vote in a very high turnout. Better That's better.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Nov 5, 2016 19:44:44 GMT
The editors of the Daily Mail. Daily Mail and the Sun should make unreserved, unconditional public and front page apologies to the High Court judges they have slandered.
This is how the Nazi regime started.
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