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Post by bathstoke on Nov 9, 2016 10:06:59 GMT
Christmas is Christian in name only. It has no Christian values in it. It's a festival of drunkeness & greed. When was the last time you went to church at or around Christmas... Every year Every week
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 10:08:32 GMT
The rebate is not fixed. The EU are well within their rights to demand the full 18 billion, which would take are weekly payments to the EU 350 million. It was more of a bent truth than a lie. One of my grievances would be the fact we sent 13 billion to the EU and they sent us 4.5 billion back and someone in the middle is making a fortune through administration costs and it is classed as EU funding. Why not send 8.5 billion, and all the research projects and other things the 4.5 billion goes on comes straight from us and cuts out the middle man who is raking in money for passing money back and forth. Then we can say it's british funded instead of EU funded as it was our money in the first place. So when people moan about losing EU funding, tell them fuck off. It wasn't a bent truth it was a blatant and calculated lie and everyone associated with the vote leave campaign, Gove, Johnson, IDS and Stewart from Labour are not fit for public office. Now as the referendum is supposedly not legally binding does that make the opinion of where the 350 million will go an advisory?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 9, 2016 10:24:00 GMT
It wasn't a bent truth it was a blatant and calculated lie and everyone associated with the vote leave campaign, Gove, Johnson, IDS and Stewart from Labour are not fit for public office. Now as the referendum is supposedly not legally binding does that make the opinion of where the 350 million will go an advisory? The referendum is only advisory under UK law. Senior politicians knew that and chose to lie to the public. The 350 Million was a direct promise to the British people by cabinet ministers and senior politicians who knew they were lying to the public.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Nov 9, 2016 10:25:27 GMT
Every year Every week The last time I went some bugger tried to drown me so I anna bin again. ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 11:09:20 GMT
Now as the referendum is supposedly not legally binding does that make the opinion of where the 350 million will go an advisory? The referendum is only advisory under UK law. Senior politicians knew that and chose to lie to the public. The 350 Million was a direct promise to the British people by cabinet ministers and senior politicians who knew they were lying to the public. It was an example of where the money could be spent other than giving it to the EU. The people running the brexit campaign were not running to take over from cameron and would not have been in any position to make any promises. IF Cameron hadn't quit he would still be prime minister and would have made decisions with the backing of his party. It was a suggestion and you would have to be pretty thick if you believed it. Most people I know who voted brexit had already made their minds up before the campaigns started. Labour are at fault for going behind the peoples back when they were in power, if they had held a referendum back then, then people would'nt have lost so much trust with the government and personal agenda wouldn't have been as much an issue. IF they had you may have got the result you wanted and we wouldn't be here talking about brexit. Trust works 2 ways. The problem with most people who voted remain is that they fail to accept and understand why people voted to leave, they make assumptions and throw abuse at people who voted leave just so that they can try and somehow take the moral high ground.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 9, 2016 12:04:55 GMT
The referendum is only advisory under UK law. Senior politicians knew that and chose to lie to the public. The 350 Million was a direct promise to the British people by cabinet ministers and senior politicians who knew they were lying to the public. It was an example of where the money could be spent other than giving it to the EU. The people running the brexit campaign were not running to take over from cameron and would not have been in any position to make any promises. IF Cameron hadn't quit he would still be prime minister and would have made decisions with the backing of his party. It was a suggestion and you would have to be pretty thick if you believed it. Most people I know who voted brexit had already made their minds up before the campaigns started. Labour are at fault for going behind the peoples back when they were in power, if they had held a referendum back then, then people would'nt have lost so much trust with the government and personal agenda wouldn't have been as much an issue. IF they had you may have got the result you wanted and we wouldn't be here talking about brexit. Trust works 2 ways. The problem with most people who voted remain is that they fail to accept and understand why people voted to leave, they make assumptions and throw abuse at people who voted leave just so that they can try and somehow take the moral high ground. Still love this tripe that in some way Labour are responsible for how the referendum went. This was a vanity project with the sole aim of saving the Conservative party from implosion. In the end the whole country has imploded because of internal Tory strife and Bullingdon arrogance.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 12:33:25 GMT
It was an example of where the money could be spent other than giving it to the EU. The people running the brexit campaign were not running to take over from cameron and would not have been in any position to make any promises. IF Cameron hadn't quit he would still be prime minister and would have made decisions with the backing of his party. It was a suggestion and you would have to be pretty thick if you believed it. Most people I know who voted brexit had already made their minds up before the campaigns started. Labour are at fault for going behind the peoples back when they were in power, if they had held a referendum back then, then people would'nt have lost so much trust with the government and personal agenda wouldn't have been as much an issue. IF they had you may have got the result you wanted and we wouldn't be here talking about brexit. Trust works 2 ways. The problem with most people who voted remain is that they fail to accept and understand why people voted to leave, they make assumptions and throw abuse at people who voted leave just so that they can try and somehow take the moral high ground. Still love this tripe that in some way Labour are responsible for how the referendum went. This was a vanity project with the sole aim of saving the Conservative party from implosion. In the end the whole country has imploded because of internal Tory strife and Bullingdon arrogance. There is no doubt cameron and osbourne fucked up this referendum, because it was based on fear. I also think it came too soon after the recession. People are still recovering from it and have still got the fuck it, how much worse can it get mentality. Had there been a referendum under Labour it would have probably been a different tone. The way it was dealt with back then was more like a stab in the back for some people. Trust was lost and people don't forget. Labour are not blameless and should take their fair share too. You may knock cameron and the conservatives, but they gave you what labour should have. In the end both parties are to blame, and depending on where the UK was heading whilst being part of the EU, somewhere down the line the people would have had to have a referendum, it just would have been better sooner rather than later and then eventually too soon had you wanted to remain.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 9, 2016 12:35:09 GMT
The referendum is only advisory under UK law. Senior politicians knew that and chose to lie to the public. The 350 Million was a direct promise to the British people by cabinet ministers and senior politicians who knew they were lying to the public. It was an example of where the money could be spent other than giving it to the EU. The people running the brexit campaign were not running to take over from cameron and would not have been in any position to make any promises. IF Cameron hadn't quit he would still be prime minister and would have made decisions with the backing of his party. It was a suggestion and you would have to be pretty thick if you believed it. Most people I know who voted brexit had already made their minds up before the campaigns started. Labour are at fault for going behind the peoples back when they were in power, if they had held a referendum back then, then people would'nt have lost so much trust with the government and personal agenda wouldn't have been as much an issue. IF they had you may have got the result you wanted and we wouldn't be here talking about brexit. Trust works 2 ways. The problem with most people who voted remain is that they fail to accept and understand why people voted to leave, they make assumptions and throw abuse at people who voted leave just so that they can try and somehow take the moral high ground. This is the crux of the problem: "The people running the brexit campaign were not running to take over from cameron and would not have been in any position to make any promises." The people running the Brexit campaign never had to see through any promises they made. So they could say what they like, and after the vote Farage has fucked off to the US, Boris Johnson removed himself from the running of the Tory leadership, and Michael Gove is.....well.....somewhere I assume. I'm no fan of May, but I do recognise she has been handed a plate of dogshit by the three above (and Cameron of course). One positive of today is that Farage may stay over in the US with Trump. Although I'm fairly sure when he decides he gives a shit about the UK again (when he needs the country), the mainstream media will open their arms and welcome him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 12:40:43 GMT
It was an example of where the money could be spent other than giving it to the EU. The people running the brexit campaign were not running to take over from cameron and would not have been in any position to make any promises. IF Cameron hadn't quit he would still be prime minister and would have made decisions with the backing of his party. It was a suggestion and you would have to be pretty thick if you believed it. Most people I know who voted brexit had already made their minds up before the campaigns started. Labour are at fault for going behind the peoples back when they were in power, if they had held a referendum back then, then people would'nt have lost so much trust with the government and personal agenda wouldn't have been as much an issue. IF they had you may have got the result you wanted and we wouldn't be here talking about brexit. Trust works 2 ways. The problem with most people who voted remain is that they fail to accept and understand why people voted to leave, they make assumptions and throw abuse at people who voted leave just so that they can try and somehow take the moral high ground. This is the crux of the problem: "The people running the brexit campaign were not running to take over from cameron and would not have been in any position to make any promises." The people running the Brexit campaign never had to see through any promises they made. So they could say what they like, and after the vote Farage has fucked off to the US, Boris Johnson removed himself from the running of the Tory leadership, and Michael Gove is.....well.....somewhere I assume. I'm no fan of May, but I do recognise she has been handed a plate of dogshit by the three above (and Cameron of course). One positive of today is that Farage may stay over in the US with Trump. Although I'm fairly sure when he decides he gives a shit about the UK again (when he needs the country), the mainstream media will open their arms and welcome him. With the american vote going the way it has, the economy would be uncertain in or out now. The EU are not immune to some seious turbulence either.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Nov 9, 2016 13:25:28 GMT
Mr Farage will be the Donald's UK lackey and "eyes and ears"
In a sort of ambassador role.
He will look after the Trumpster's vast UK business interests (including the controversial Scottish golfcourse)
Young Farage has certainly ironed out a nice little career for the foreseeable future.
Fair play to the bloke.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Nov 9, 2016 16:16:42 GMT
Every year Every week Lol... same here
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 9, 2016 16:48:57 GMT
Mr Farage will be the Donald's UK lackey and "eyes and ears" In a sort of ambassador role. He will look after the Trumpster's vast UK business interests (including the controversial Scottish golfcourse) Young Farage has certainly ironed out a nice little career for the foreseeable future. Fair play to the bloke. Given things are so calm and organised in the UK he cares for so much, why wouldn't he line his pockets with some Trump cash.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Nov 9, 2016 16:54:01 GMT
Mr Farage will be the Donald's UK lackey and "eyes and ears" In a sort of ambassador role. He will look after the Trumpster's vast UK business interests (including the controversial Scottish golfcourse) Young Farage has certainly ironed out a nice little career for the foreseeable future. Fair play to the bloke. Given things are so calm and organised in the UK he cares for so much, why wouldn't he line his pockets with some Trump cash. Absolutely. He could end up as ruler of the western world how things are going at the moment
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 9, 2016 18:29:39 GMT
Every week Lol... same here I had guessed as much, seeing how you have him emblazoned on your subheading
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 9, 2016 18:48:45 GMT
Mr Farage will be the Donald's UK lackey and "eyes and ears" In a sort of ambassador role. He will look after the Trumpster's vast UK business interests (including the controversial Scottish golfcourse) Young Farage has certainly ironed out a nice little career for the foreseeable future. Fair play to the bloke. Just waiting for his knighthood to be announced for services to the British people.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Nov 9, 2016 18:59:20 GMT
Mr Farage will be the Donald's UK lackey and "eyes and ears" In a sort of ambassador role. He will look after the Trumpster's vast UK business interests (including the controversial Scottish golfcourse) Young Farage has certainly ironed out a nice little career for the foreseeable future. Fair play to the bloke. Just waiting for his knighthood to be announced for services to the British people. Take your point Crappy...but think it's more likely to be "Lord" Something like Lord Farage of Europe Or Baron Farage Clusterfuck One thing for sure... he won't be worrying about the bloke on £7.00 an hour in Mike Ashley's warehouse.
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 9, 2016 19:06:36 GMT
Mr Farage will be the Donald's UK lackey and "eyes and ears" In a sort of ambassador role. He will look after the Trumpster's vast UK business interests (including the controversial Scottish golfcourse) Young Farage has certainly ironed out a nice little career for the foreseeable future. Fair play to the bloke. Just waiting for his knighthood to be announced for services to the British people. I said put your dick away
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 9, 2016 19:13:09 GMT
Just waiting for his knighthood to be announced for services to the British people. Take your point Crappy...but think it's more likely to be "Lord" Something like Lord Farage of Europe Or Baron Farage Clusterfuck One thing for sure... he won't be worrying about the bloke on £7.00 an hour in Mike Ashley's warehouse. The bloke probably won't be there working for Mike Ashley.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 9, 2016 19:13:56 GMT
Just waiting for his knighthood to be announced for services to the British people. I said put your dick away Are you jealous
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 9, 2016 19:22:41 GMT
Just waiting for his knighthood to be announced for services to the British people. Take your point Crappy...but think it's more likely to be "Lord" Something like Lord Farage of Europe Or Baron Farage Clusterfuck One thing for sure... he won't be worrying about the bloke on £7.00 an hour in Mike Ashley's warehouse. Knight Sir Nigel the EU dragon slayer
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Post by Titan Uranus on Nov 9, 2016 20:00:04 GMT
Take your point Crappy...but think it's more likely to be "Lord" Something like Lord Farage of Europe Or Baron Farage Clusterfuck One thing for sure... he won't be worrying about the bloke on £7.00 an hour in Mike Ashley's warehouse. The bloke probably won't be there working for Mike Ashley. That's true. He will probably be on the dole. Along with millions of others after Brexit and Trump have shagged up everything and everybody. Anyway...let's all pull together and forget about the politics. It's one great fantastic adventure into the unknown.
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 9, 2016 20:20:19 GMT
The bloke probably won't be there working for Mike Ashley. That's true. He will probably be on the dole. Along with millions of others after Brexit and Trump have shagged up everything and everybody. Anyway...let's all pull together and forget about the politics. It's one great fantastic adventure into the unknown. I'm a brutalised victim of Generation X, So in my sick mind, cause I've never seen anything really positive(Other than New Labour pre 9/11 & Stoke getting back into top flight footie(The greatest thing to happen to S-O-T in living memory)) I'm going to watch the fallout like a Tricoteuse
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 9, 2016 22:19:03 GMT
The bloke probably won't be there working for Mike Ashley. That's true. He will probably be on the dole. Along with millions of others after Brexit and Trump have shagged up everything and everybody. Anyway...let's all pull together and forget about the politics. It's one great fantastic adventure into the unknown. Or he may be back at home working in his homeland, you never know , maybe his place will be taken by one of the many indigenous benefit claimants ! you never know.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Nov 10, 2016 9:59:49 GMT
That's true. He will probably be on the dole. Along with millions of others after Brexit and Trump have shagged up everything and everybody. Anyway...let's all pull together and forget about the politics. It's one great fantastic adventure into the unknown. I'm a brutalised victim of Generation X, So in my sick mind, cause I've never seen anything really positive(Other than New Labour pre 9/11 & Stoke getting back into top flight footie(The greatest thing to happen to S-O-T in living memory)) I'm going to watch the fallout like a Tricoteuse Dunner sit too close to the action. That blood's a bugger to get out of yer woollens. :-)
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Nov 10, 2016 13:46:18 GMT
Depends how you look at it... the bus said We send £350million to the EU every week Lets use it to fund our NHS. It doesn't say we will spend that whole £350m on the NHS but it can be used to Fund the NHS. So if you used £150m from it..its being used to fund the NHS. I never thought or a second that the whole lot was going there or those saying it were actually in a position to do it. Do we actually send the full 18 billion 1st though and then they send the rebate back. I can't see the fat cats missing an opportunity like that. No mate we don't..its deducted before it is sent. However the "rebate" isn't set in stone they could demand the whole £18Billion up front and we would have to pay it. I know if i was in a club with 27 members and just 4 were effectively paying for all the rests membership i would leave as well..... The 4 are the ones that have a negative return while all the rest are on the plus side...it stinks.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 10, 2016 14:09:12 GMT
Do we actually send the full 18 billion 1st though and then they send the rebate back. I can't see the fat cats missing an opportunity like that. No mate we don't..its deducted before it is sent. However the "rebate" isn't set in stone they could demand the whole £18Billion up front and we would have to pay it. I know if i was in a club with 27 members and just 4 were effectively paying for all the rests membership i would leave as well..... The 4 are the ones that have a negative return while all the rest are on the plus side...it stinks. Yes, there a lot of people down here in net tax-paying London who think sending our money to Stoke, Sunderland etc. stinks? But, I notice for all the bleating about unfairness, you aren't bothered about that!
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Post by starkiller on Nov 10, 2016 14:16:50 GMT
No mate we don't..its deducted before it is sent. However the "rebate" isn't set in stone they could demand the whole £18Billion up front and we would have to pay it. I know if i was in a club with 27 members and just 4 were effectively paying for all the rests membership i would leave as well..... The 4 are the ones that have a negative return while all the rest are on the plus side...it stinks. Yes, there a lot of people down here in net tax-paying London who think sending our money to Stoke, Sunderland etc. stinks? But, I notice for all the bleating about unfairness, you aren't bothered about that! That's because it's part of the same country. Or are you admitting that the EU is like one big state, with its own flag and anthem. Who agreed to that? Answer: no-one. And that's exactly why we're leaving.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 10, 2016 14:32:12 GMT
Yes, there a lot of people down here in net tax-paying London who think sending our money to Stoke, Sunderland etc. stinks? But, I notice for all the bleating about unfairness, you aren't bothered about that! That's because it's part of the same country. Or are you admitting that the EU is like one big state, with its own flag and anthem. Who agreed to that? Answer: no-one. And that's exactly why we're leaving. No, I'm not saying the E.U. is one country. The point I'm trying to make is that when money leaves it is terrible but when money flows in it's not. Stoke, I think, has the 17th largest tax income as a city in Britain so most of the money going to the E.U. comes from London. But, we recognise that our economy benefits massively from open trade in services with the E.U.. So, on balance we are better off. You can't look at figures in isolation from the big picture.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 10, 2016 15:11:29 GMT
That's because it's part of the same country. Or are you admitting that the EU is like one big state, with its own flag and anthem. Who agreed to that? Answer: no-one. And that's exactly why we're leaving. No, I'm not saying the E.U. is one country. The point I'm trying to make is that when money leaves it is terrible but when money flows in it's not. Stoke, I think, has the 17th largest tax income as a city in Britain so most of the money going to the E.U. comes from London. But, we recognise that our economy benefits massively from open trade in services with the E.U.. So, on balance we are better off. You can't look at figures in isolation from the big picture. Most of which is irrelevant as we are leaving what has become the State of Europe disguised as the EU, we had a referendum these issues were debated and considered before the vote took place, we have voted to leave not rocket science is it, people are moaning and whinging their tits off because they don't like the result like spoilt children who can't get their own way.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 10, 2016 15:38:08 GMT
No, I'm not saying the E.U. is one country. The point I'm trying to make is that when money leaves it is terrible but when money flows in it's not. Stoke, I think, has the 17th largest tax income as a city in Britain so most of the money going to the E.U. comes from London. But, we recognise that our economy benefits massively from open trade in services with the E.U.. So, on balance we are better off. You can't look at figures in isolation from the big picture. Most of which is irrelevant as we are leaving what has become the State of Europe disguised as the EU, we had a referendum these issues were debated and considered before the vote took place, we have voted to leave not rocket science is it, people are moaning and whinging their tits off because they don't like the result like spoilt children who can't get their own way. I've not said anywhere we didn't vote to leave. But, nowhere was it on the ballot paper, in which way would we leave. Theresa May has failed time after time to state the type of 'Brexit' she wants. It's alright going on about it not being rocket science but clearly it must be otherwise you would be able to tell us what it will be like?
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