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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 7, 2016 21:24:52 GMT
For me the Labour party has severely failed the working class. I don't say that with any glee. The three politicians below are the only ones who I believe have contributed anything and been prominent in the Referendum debate. In contrast I cannot think of any useful contribution from any Labour member whether Blairite, Corbynite, Momentum or not. Unfortunately their MPs seem more concerned with their own careers or putting the party before the bigger issue of the country. This is where people like Farage have stolen a march on Labour.....he is on record as NOT being that bothered about UKIP, as long as he sticks to what he believes ( rightly or wrongly ) for the good of the country. This sort of conviction has hit home across the political divide and "your ordinary working class voter" recognises this. The Labour political class and the "intellectual " Labour Guardian readers don't. Kate Hoey; heatst.com/world/kate-hoey-labour-faces-electoral-suicide-if-it-doesnt-accept-brexit/Gisela Stuart; Take a look at @brexitcentral's Tweet: And Frank Field "Jeremy has just written the second longest suicide note in the history of the Labour party by coming out in favour of the remain campaign.” By ignoring the concerns of ordinary white working class Labour voters over immigration and driving them into the arms of Ukip, Corbyn had in effect consigned his party to decades in the political wilderness From; www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/26/frank-field-rounds-on-jeremy-corbyn-over-eu-stanceCorbyn has publicly stated he will support Brexit. Huddy ( and I get no satisfaction in saying this ) Jeremy has been largely irrelevant in the debate, as have the party he leads. Because of the ideological gulf between him and his MPS , the MPS have been largely silent and irrelevant. People like Burnham, Yvette Cooper, Tristham , Harman and most of the others aren't in the debate ( whether you like it or not , at the moment they are Labour MPs). Corbyn has come out in favour of Brexit, but he is not convincing and is inconsistent with his previous Bennite stance. His curent support of soft Brexit is not actually Brexit. I feel sorry for him , as, onthe biggest issue facing the country since the great party introduced the NHS, the rest of the left of the party failed to back him, hence his half hearted support This issue is bigger than the future of the Labour party, who seem to hope that it will go away, and they can resume the political class game of " Labour v Tory" . ...as I say a dereliction of duty and deception of the working class. It was their chance of grasping the nettle and proposing some radical policies to shake the establishment. ...Brexit, aboliton of the House of Lords, proportional representation. Hoey, Stuart and Field are not stupid Labour are now part of the problem. Unfortunately.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 21:38:13 GMT
I would like some evidence that murdock is running the government. Do your research mate. I see your point, he does seem to have a lot of influence.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 7, 2016 21:40:24 GMT
Corbyn has publicly stated he will support Brexit. Huddy ( and I get no satisfaction in saying this ) Jeremy has been largely irrelevant in the debate, as have the party he leads. Because of the ideological gulf between him and his MPS , the MPS have been largely silent and irrelevant. People like Burnham, Yvette Cooper, Tristham , Harman and most of the others aren't in the debate ( whether you like it or not , at the moment they are Labour MPs). Corbyn has come out in favour of Brexit, but he is not convincing and is inconsistent with his previous Bennite stance. His curent support of soft Brexit is not actually Brexit. I feel sorry for him , as, onthe biggest issue facing the country since the great party introduced the NHS, the rest of the left of the party failed to back him, hence his half hearted support This issue is bigger than the future of the Labour party, who seem to hope that it will go away, and they can resume the political class game of " Labour v Tory" . ...as I say a dereliction of duty and deception of the working class. It was their chance of grasping the nettle and proposing some radical policies to shake the establishment. ...Brexit, aboliton of the House of Lords, proportional representation. Hoey, Stuart and Field are not stupid Labour are now part of the problem. Unfortunately. If you think Hoey, Stuart and Field support any of the policies you propose I'm afraid you're mistaken mate. Seriously.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 7, 2016 21:40:56 GMT
Corbyn has publicly stated he will support Brexit. Huddy ( and I get no satisfaction in saying this ) Jeremy has been largely irrelevant in the debate, as have the party he leads. Because of the ideological gulf between him and his MPS , the MPS have been largely silent and irrelevant. People like Burnham, Yvette Cooper, Tristham , Harman and most of the others aren't in the debate ( whether you like it or not , at the moment they are Labour MPs). Corbyn has come out in favour of Brexit, but he is not convincing and is inconsistent with his previous Bennite stance. His curent support of soft Brexit is not actually Brexit. I feel sorry for him , as, onthe biggest issue facing the country since the great party introduced the NHS, the rest of the left of the party failed to back him, hence his half hearted support This issue is bigger than the future of the Labour party, who seem to hope that it will go away, and they can resume the political class game of " Labour v Tory" . ...as I say a dereliction of duty and deception of the working class. It was their chance of grasping the nettle and proposing some radical policies to shake the establishment. ...Brexit, aboliton of the House of Lords, proportional representation. Hoey, Stuart and Field are not stupid Labour are now part of the problem. Unfortunately. Before during and after the most important referendum this country has participated in for forty years Corbyn has been about as much relevance as an ash tray on a motor bike, he acted with naïve incompetence in judging the wishes of the working class the bedrock of the Labour Party, he has shown that his portrayal as a man of principal is complete and utter bollocks, he was handed the opportunity on a plate to prove to disenfranchised historical Labour voters that he was the man he purported to be a man who understood their concerns their aspirations a man of the people, he sold them out sold himself out as a genuine principled man, HE FCUKED it up.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 7, 2016 21:41:29 GMT
3 months out of date. He changed his tune this weekend before back tracking Wrong. But any excuse for you eh?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 7, 2016 21:44:15 GMT
It's the Marxist interpretation of the okey cokey in out in out they shake it all about, they do the okey cokey then they turn around that's what they are all about. They are unfit and incapable of running a piss up I a brewery let alone ever running this country, as for Corbyn he has the credibility of the tooth fairy. More shite from comical crappy. You're still upset about not getting your own way....aren't you? Has your piss stopped boiling yet? Are you packed and ready to leave for Spain...you great little Englander you?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 7, 2016 21:59:52 GMT
Huddy ( and I get no satisfaction in saying this ) Jeremy has been largely irrelevant in the debate, as have the party he leads. Because of the ideological gulf between him and his MPS , the MPS have been largely silent and irrelevant. People like Burnham, Yvette Cooper, Tristham , Harman and most of the others aren't in the debate ( whether you like it or not , at the moment they are Labour MPs). Corbyn has come out in favour of Brexit, but he is not convincing and is inconsistent with his previous Bennite stance. His curent support of soft Brexit is not actually Brexit. I feel sorry for him , as, onthe biggest issue facing the country since the great party introduced the NHS, the rest of the left of the party failed to back him, hence his half hearted support This issue is bigger than the future of the Labour party, who seem to hope that it will go away, and they can resume the political class game of " Labour v Tory" . ...as I say a dereliction of duty and deception of the working class. It was their chance of grasping the nettle and proposing some radical policies to shake the establishment. ...Brexit, aboliton of the House of Lords, proportional representation. Hoey, Stuart and Field are not stupid Labour are now part of the problem. Unfortunately. If you think Hoey, Stuart and Field support any of the policies you propose I'm afraid you're mistaken mate. Seriously. Huddy, I think that you habe missed the point that I am making (my fault really for conflating two points) I am not sure if they would support my points (probably not, as you say)( but iny opinion the Labour patty should be clearly advocating the reforms I suggest and they would get the support of the Working class. .. do you agree with that? ) BUT , my main point and theirs (Hoey, Stuart and Field ) is that Jeremy and the party have simply backed the wrong horse and, given the current political climate ,are at best irrelevant and at worst self-destructive . Either way 's betrayal of the working class. .... unfortunately excepting the myopic . Listen there would be no one more pleased than me if UkIp did not exist because the Labour party was speaking for the working class.....I recognise the increase in party membership, but actually I believe that they have bought into the deception ( that's for a different debate). In my opinion if the party had come out clearly in favour of Brexit they would have gained greater support ( including the new members)
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Post by salopstick on Nov 7, 2016 22:00:16 GMT
3 months out of date. He changed his tune this weekend before back tracking Wrong. But any excuse for you eh? Wrong? No Paul the link you gave is from August, before he was reflected, don't you read this stuff before you throw it on here. He's changed his tune and back again since then.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 7, 2016 22:07:09 GMT
It's the Marxist interpretation of the okey cokey in out in out they shake it all about, they do the okey cokey then they turn around that's what they are all about. They are unfit and incapable of running a piss up I a brewery let alone ever running this country, as for Corbyn he has the credibility of the tooth fairy. More shite from comical crappy. You're still upset about not getting your own way....aren't you? Has your piss stopped boiling yet? Are you packed and ready to leave for Spain...you great little Englander you? My own way pathetic Sir, you must try harder next term, my piss has never boiled you do however seem to be getting very hot under your collar, I have explained on numerous occasions my situation regarding immigrating to Spain/ Spanish Canaries, seems you are losing your memory as well as everything else in your sad lonely life.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 7, 2016 22:11:13 GMT
Wrong. But any excuse for you eh? Wrong? No Paul the link you gave is from August, before he was reflected, don't you read this stuff before you throw it on here. He's changed his tune and back again since then. For an ex school teacher he is not very bright, maybe that is why Paul is an ex school teacher.
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Post by hammered on Nov 7, 2016 23:24:49 GMT
Corbyns clout is though party membership rather than MP’s plus Corbyn and his merry band are out of touch right? So much so, he has little influence on the real-world Brexit debate. From the moment he entered the frame disrespecting our Monarch I despised the bloke. And duplicity, hypocrisy follow like a bad attention seeking smell. He stands for nothing worth standing for anymore IMO. Likewise the deluded Krankie in jockville. May, I think has played a balanced game so far – made it clear Brexit means Brexit – taking the Remain body blows as she goes and ignoring the noise ploughs her own furrow in India. Good luck to her and she’s showing the way. Brexit has created a rare moment where fundamental change in the system is possible. A moment when standing for something different will make a difference. I genuinely hope we get an early election, not least to discard the moaning spunk bubbles who don’t get that the people are bigger than the state. Something we so nearly lost. UKIP will take the labour vote – simply because it’s common sense.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 7, 2016 23:32:10 GMT
Corbyns clout is though party membership rather than MP’s plus Corbyn and his merry band are out of touch right? So much so, he has little influence on the real-world Brexit debate. From the moment he entered the frame disrespecting our Monarch I despised the bloke. And duplicity, hypocrisy follow like a bad attention seeking smell. He stands for nothing worth standing for anymore IMO. Likewise the deluded Krankie in jockville. May, I think has played a balanced game so far – made it clear Brexit means Brexit – taking the Remain body blows as she goes and ignoring the noise ploughs her own furrow in India. Good luck to her and she’s showing the way. Brexit has created a rare moment where fundamental change in the system is possible. A moment when standing for something different will make a difference. I genuinely hope we get an early election, not least to discard the moaning spunk bubbles who don’t get that the people are bigger than the state. Something we so nearly lost. UKIP will take the labour vote – simply because it’s common sense. Very fair observation. For some though corbyn is the saviour. He is not realise how little support he has away from his £5 members
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 23:41:10 GMT
Corbyns clout is though party membership rather than MP’s plus Corbyn and his merry band are out of touch right? So much so, he has little influence on the real-world Brexit debate. From the moment he entered the frame disrespecting our Monarch I despised the bloke. And duplicity, hypocrisy follow like a bad attention seeking smell. He stands for nothing worth standing for anymore IMO. Likewise the deluded Krankie in jockville. May, I think has played a balanced game so far – made it clear Brexit means Brexit – taking the Remain body blows as she goes and ignoring the noise ploughs her own furrow in India. Good luck to her and she’s showing the way. Brexit has created a rare moment where fundamental change in the system is possible. A moment when standing for something different will make a difference. I genuinely hope we get an early election, not least to discard the moaning spunk bubbles who don’t get that the people are bigger than the state. Something we so nearly lost. UKIP will take the labour vote – simply because it’s common sense. Very fair observation. For some though corbyn is the saviour. He is not realise how little support he has away from his £5 members I think Keir Starmer would have made a better leader. Corbyn just seems completely out of his depth. It's quite funny that the 1st word on the labour website is donate. The scrounging bastards.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 8, 2016 7:50:00 GMT
Very fair observation. For some though corbyn is the saviour. He is not realise how little support he has away from his £5 members I think Keir Starmer would have made a better leader. Corbyn just seems completely out of his depth. It's quite funny that the 1st word on the labour website is donate. The scrounging bastards. The minute the trade unions backed the wrong Milliband the party was pretty much destined to the political scrap heap, they rubber stamped that by backing Corbyn.
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Nov 8, 2016 8:04:11 GMT
TBF ..i voted leave but agree that it should go through our parliament ..the judges made the right call as a point of law. We are not a dictatorship... we will leave that to the EU. We wanted to take back control and that is democracy via elected people. No problem to me that it goes through parliament which it will..we will leave . I don't agree the government taking it to the supreme court..they will fail and cost taxpayers more money and possibly delay the invoking of Article 50 themselves.. get it thru the Houses and get on with it after its passed. End of. True, it would also be interesting to see if the MPs vote as per the results of their constituency regardless of their own personal views. Based on the referendum the results would be: MPs vote to remain: 119 MPs vote to leave: 263 Therefore Article 50 will be triggered regardless. It is interesting to note that all of Scotland's constituents voted in favour to remain... fueling the SNP's argument. It is also interesting to see the results to remain were also reflected within the big metropolis areas such as Central London (obviously), Newcastle, Bristol and Manchester so it is easy to see where they concentrated their tactics. Birmingham and its surrounding constituencies voted leave so that may have put a spanner in the works in the original planning by the remain camp. I am certain they will vote with what their constituents voted for..after all they are there to represent those constituents not just what they think and if they don't they will quickly join the dole queue. Plus it would be totally undemocratic to not follow the wishes of the people who voted them in. I agree ..we will be out and the sooner we get on with it and save the £350 million a week the better.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 8, 2016 8:06:51 GMT
True, it would also be interesting to see if the MPs vote as per the results of their constituency regardless of their own personal views. Based on the referendum the results would be: MPs vote to remain: 119 MPs vote to leave: 263 Therefore Article 50 will be triggered regardless. It is interesting to note that all of Scotland's constituents voted in favour to remain... fueling the SNP's argument. It is also interesting to see the results to remain were also reflected within the big metropolis areas such as Central London (obviously), Newcastle, Bristol and Manchester so it is easy to see where they concentrated their tactics. Birmingham and its surrounding constituencies voted leave so that may have put a spanner in the works in the original planning by the remain camp. I am certain they will vote with what their constituents voted for..after all they are there to represent those constituents not just what they think and if they don't they will quickly join the dole queue. Plus it would be totally undemocratic to not follow the wishes of the people who voted them in. I agree ..we will be out and the sooner we get on with it and save the £350 million a week the better. Has there been any indication about what the 350m will be spent on? I haven't seen anything about it yet.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 8, 2016 8:17:49 GMT
Corbyns clout is though party membership rather than MP’s plus Corbyn and his merry band are out of touch right? So much so, he has little influence on the real-world Brexit debate. From the moment he entered the frame disrespecting our Monarch I despised the bloke. And duplicity, hypocrisy follow like a bad attention seeking smell. He stands for nothing worth standing for anymore IMO. Likewise the deluded Krankie in jockville. May, I think has played a balanced game so far – made it clear Brexit means Brexit – taking the Remain body blows as she goes and ignoring the noise ploughs her own furrow in India. Good luck to her and she’s showing the way. Brexit has created a rare moment where fundamental change in the system is possible. A moment when standing for something different will make a difference. I genuinely hope we get an early election, not least to discard the moaning spunk bubbles who don’t get that the people are bigger than the state. Something we so nearly lost. UKIP will take the labour vote – simply because it’s common sense. Sturgeon stands for the Scottish people - the people that she represents. She's exactly the sort of politician that many of the anti-politics people should be interested in. UKIP's common sense stretches as far as Nigel Farage campaigning to leave the EU for 25 years, then disappearing off the face of the Earth when we actually do. He's badly let his supporters down by not being a voice in the post-referendum debate. I assume it's because he was conoletely unprepared for Brexit, and had no plan. If Trump wins we won't see him for love nor money in the UK as there's more money to be had in the US than here. He's a career politician that has used the UK as a stepping stone to get to the bright lights of the US. I'm sure he'll be back if Trump doesn't win, pretending to care about what Brexit looks like.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Nov 8, 2016 9:47:29 GMT
Corbyns clout is though party membership rather than MP’s plus Corbyn and his merry band are out of touch right? So much so, he has little influence on the real-world Brexit debate. From the moment he entered the frame disrespecting our Monarch I despised the bloke. And duplicity, hypocrisy follow like a bad attention seeking smell. He stands for nothing worth standing for anymore IMO. Likewise the deluded Krankie in jockville. May, I think has played a balanced game so far – made it clear Brexit means Brexit – taking the Remain body blows as she goes and ignoring the noise ploughs her own furrow in India. Good luck to her and she’s showing the way. Brexit has created a rare moment where fundamental change in the system is possible. A moment when standing for something different will make a difference. I genuinely hope we get an early election, not least to discard the moaning spunk bubbles who don’t get that the people are bigger than the state. Something we so nearly lost. UKIP will take the labour vote – simply because it’s common sense. Sturgeon stands for the Scottish people - the people that she represents. She's exactly the sort of politician that many of the anti-politics people should be interested in. UKIP's common sense stretches as far as Nigel Farage campaigning to leave the EU for 25 years, then disappearing off the face of the Earth when we actually do. He's badly let his supporters down by not being a voice in the post-referendum debate. I assume it's because he was conoletely unprepared for Brexit, and had no plan. If Trump wins we won't see him for love nor money in the UK as there's more money to be had in the US than here. He's a career politician that has used the UK as a stepping stone to get to the bright lights of the US. I'm sure he'll be back if Trump doesn't win, pretending to care about what Brexit looks like. Sturgeon stands for nationalism and to hell with democratic process. Her baiting and cajoling of the establishment has no bearing on what Scotland voted for, and that was to remain in the United Kingdom knowing that a referendum on the EU was coming up. Just like the establishment, because the vote did not go how they all wanted suddenly there is this gnashing of teeth and faux sense of injustice. Farage is definitely an opportunist and openly so, but Sturgeon is exactly the same but far more dangerous. Her plan for the SNP is to be as publically disruptive to UK politics within Westminster no matter what... and has proven to be so. Farage was not unprepared for Brexit, he wasn't able to be prepared for Brexit as UKIP has no political power. As a bad effect of the first past the post election process. despite polling the third highest number of votes, they only have 1 seat. Furthermore, the referendum was a cross party process, not a single party vote. You could tell by the fact that the Remain campaign treated the result as a forgone conclusion letting charismatic and comedic individuals represent the leave campaign (Note how Boris who was more of a Cameron supporter than many realised suddenly hopped onto the leave campaign once it started). It was the Government's fault that they had no real plan for a Brexit result so confident that they were of a remain result. It is the Government's responsibility to prepare for any eventuality and the reason why parliamentary MP's are reacting like they are is because they have been caught with their pants down and horribly exposed.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Nov 8, 2016 9:50:05 GMT
I am certain they will vote with what their constituents voted for..after all they are there to represent those constituents not just what they think and if they don't they will quickly join the dole queue. Plus it would be totally undemocratic to not follow the wishes of the people who voted them in. I agree ..we will be out and the sooner we get on with it and save the £350 million a week the better. Has there been any indication about what the 350m will be spent on? I haven't seen anything about it yet. Farage has admitted on TV the day after the referendum that this 350 million was a lie.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 8, 2016 10:45:24 GMT
Has there been any indication about what the 350m will be spent on? I haven't seen anything about it yet. Farage has admitted on TV the day after the referendum that this 350 million was a lie. Then you should be applauding him if you think it was a lie as well The 350 million slogan was offered by the Vote Leave campaign. Boris, Gove, Stewart etc. Farage wasn't part of that and actually there was mistrust and tension between the two. Farage was part of Grassrootsout.co.uk
Keep up now.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 8, 2016 10:59:53 GMT
Sturgeon stands for the Scottish people - the people that she represents. She's exactly the sort of politician that many of the anti-politics people should be interested in. UKIP's common sense stretches as far as Nigel Farage campaigning to leave the EU for 25 years, then disappearing off the face of the Earth when we actually do. He's badly let his supporters down by not being a voice in the post-referendum debate. I assume it's because he was conoletely unprepared for Brexit, and had no plan. If Trump wins we won't see him for love nor money in the UK as there's more money to be had in the US than here. He's a career politician that has used the UK as a stepping stone to get to the bright lights of the US. I'm sure he'll be back if Trump doesn't win, pretending to care about what Brexit looks like. Sturgeon stands for nationalism and to hell with democratic process. Her baiting and cajoling of the establishment has no bearing on what Scotland voted for, and that was to remain in the United Kingdom knowing that a referendum on the EU was coming up. Just like the establishment, because the vote did not go how they all wanted suddenly there is this gnashing of teeth and faux sense of injustice. Farage is definitely an opportunist and openly so, but Sturgeon is exactly the same but far more dangerous. Her plan for the SNP is to be as publically disruptive to UK politics within Westminster no matter what... and has proven to be so. Farage was not unprepared for Brexit, he wasn't able to be prepared for Brexit as UKIP has no political power. As a bad effect of the first past the post election process. despite polling the third highest number of votes, they only have 1 seat. Furthermore, the referendum was a cross party process, not a single party vote. You could tell by the fact that the Remain campaign treated the result as a forgone conclusion letting charismatic and comedic individuals represent the leave campaign (Note how Boris who was more of a Cameron supporter than many realised suddenly hopped onto the leave campaign once it started). It was the Government's fault that they had no real plan for a Brexit result so confident that they were of a remain result. It is the Government's responsibility to prepare for any eventuality and the reason why parliamentary MP's are reacting like they are is because they have been caught with their pants down and horribly exposed. Sturgeon has been pretty clear in the aftermath of the independence referendum - there would be no second independence referendum unless something dramatically changed in the make-up of the UK. It's fair to say leaving the EU was something dramatic, so it was obvious Brexit might lead to more clamour from the SNP for a second independence referendum. By disrupting the political system, what you mean is voting in the interests of Scotland - who are continuing to look more and more like a different country over the past couple of years. And also remember that the UK has spent years disrupting the political process of the EU, and we've cheered it from a far. Lets not start crying when someone tries doing the same in our political system. It makes us all look like right madarse bastards. Farage has more political power now than he has for the past five years when he has been on TV almost daily doing an effective job of setting the agenda. And now.....silence. No doubt he will walk back into the spotlight if Trump is elected, as the mainstream media can't get enough of him. Similar to Harry Redknapp, he makes the media's job easier so they give him more attention.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Nov 8, 2016 11:01:56 GMT
Farage has admitted on TV the day after the referendum that this 350 million was a lie. Then you should be applauding him if you think it was a lie as well The 350 million slogan was offered by the Vote Leave campaign. Boris, Gove, Stewart etc. Farage wasn't part of that and actually there was mistrust and tension between the two. Farage was part of Grassrootsout.co.uk
Keep up now. Absolutely. I never said that he said it. He said it was a lie. Told by the lying toads Boris and Gove. It still fooled most of the Brexiteers though didn't it.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 8, 2016 11:15:05 GMT
Then you should be applauding him if you think it was a lie as well The 350 million slogan was offered by the Vote Leave campaign. Boris, Gove, Stewart etc. Farage wasn't part of that and actually there was mistrust and tension between the two. Farage was part of Grassrootsout.co.uk
Keep up now. Absolutely. I never said that he said it. He said it was a lie. Told by the lying toads Boris and Gove. It still fooled most of the Brexiteers though didn't it.No.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 8, 2016 11:20:13 GMT
3 months out of date. He changed his tune this weekend before back tracking The only major figure from the two main parties to confirm outright they will vote against invoking article 50 is a Tory. Kenneth Clarke.
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Post by cymap on Nov 8, 2016 11:32:09 GMT
lol, Remoaners still banging on about a slogan as fact. They were saying for 3 weeks of the campaign that it wasn't 350m it was less. It was quite clear that it wasnt fact by anyone with half a braincell as some of that funding goes to the agricultural sector and to the universities both of which were told that their funding would be upheld. However if some wish to think all the leave voters were morons and thought that the slogan was some kind of binding contract then carry on. Personally I didn't care what amount it was, whether it be 350m , 200m or 400m because whatever amount it was it will be distributed in the UK by the UK govmt and if you don't like the way they are doing things you can vote them out ....try doing that with the EU
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Post by Titan Uranus on Nov 8, 2016 11:46:36 GMT
Absolutely. I never said that he said it. He said it was a lie. Told by the lying toads Boris and Gove. It still fooled most of the Brexiteers though didn't it.No. Yes it did. It was a major factor for the rank and file. Boris said it was their winning slogan and brought many undecided people onto the leave vote.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 8, 2016 11:57:08 GMT
3 months out of date. He changed his tune this weekend before back tracking The only major figure from the two main parties to confirm outright they will vote against invoking article 50 is a Tory. Kenneth Clarke. Fortunately for fat ken he is at an age and personal financial footing where he couldn't give a fuck what his constituents think.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 8, 2016 12:03:19 GMT
The only major figure from the two main parties to confirm outright they will vote against invoking article 50 is a Tory. Kenneth Clarke. Fortunately for fat ken he is at an age and personal financial footing where he couldn't give a fuck what his constituents think. It's just odd that we don't see the fierce anger from some of the resident Tory Brexiteers on here, yet they've been charging around spewing their venom against all sorts of other people who have said no such thing.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 8, 2016 12:14:58 GMT
Yes it did. It was a major factor for the rank and file. Boris said it was their winning slogan and brought many undecided people onto the leave vote. I have some magic beans going cheap. PM me if interested.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 8, 2016 12:16:39 GMT
Fortunately for fat ken he is at an age and personal financial footing where he couldn't give a fuck what his constituents think. It's just odd that we don't see the fierce anger from some of the resident Tory Brexiteers on here, yet they've been charging around spewing their venom against all sorts of other people who have said no such thing. The constituents will make their descision known Here we have the leader. Yes the leader of the Labour Party threatening to oppose Brexit. Hell of a difference. One could argue that ken is sticking with his personal beliefs and jezza is blowing like the wind but that's a different debate
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