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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2016 16:13:58 GMT
I'm fast losing faith in the man that matters though. He's got 3 months to sort things for me. If not, I want him gone. I think the same of you but don't take 3 months please! 'I want him gone' - such bloody arrogance - 'want, want, want', that's typical of all modern supporters! Yeah imagine wanting your team to perform to its best. We aren't doing and we haven't for 12 months. Last season was awful and so far there's been nothing to show change or even a hint of change. Hughes has it in him to succeed but to not address these problem in 12 months is negligence and he can't carry that on.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2016 16:16:46 GMT
Haha.Not content with blaming Wolly every time the opposition score,you're even blaming him for Pieters' poor form.Brilliant. I did wonder how far he'd take it. Got my answer in spades. No point in carrying on the debate. Shawcross looks a different player when he's not playing with Wolly. Why? Because he has faith to do things that he doesn't when Wolly is on the pitch. Wolly brings those around him down and that's been evident from the off and I've pretty much said it from the Rochdale cup game. If you play alongside someone you don't trust you will play worse as you try to think what cock up they're going to do next and how to cover that. Trust is a massive part of a defensive unit and it just isn't there. The main reason for that I believe is Wolly.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 21, 2016 16:20:01 GMT
Given - too old Johnson - too injury prone Bardsley - liable to get sent off every game he plays Shawcross - lost it Wolly - never had it Pieters - lost any form he had Whelan - past it (needs upgrading) Imbula - needs to learn when to pass Shaq - not a winger Arnie - too bone idle at times and won't take anyone on Bojan - too lightweight Adam - see Bardsley Diouf - terrible finisher especially 1v1 Crouch - past it Joselu - not good enough Got a good looking squad haven't we according to some on here! RELEGATION LOOMS........... ;-) Allen will be ok though.
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Post by baystokie on Aug 21, 2016 16:27:51 GMT
I think the same of you but don't take 3 months please! 'I want him gone' - such bloody arrogance - 'want, want, want', that's typical of all modern supporters! Yeah imagine wanting your team to perform to its best. We aren't doing and we haven't for 12 months. Last season was awful and so far there's been nothing to show change or even a hint of change. Hughes has it in him to succeed but to not address these problem in 12 months is negligence and he can't carry that on. pleasure. If it's OK with, in view of 3 seasons of some hope, expectation and pleasure, I'll cut the guy some slack for this season. I'm not going to turn on him when things don't come up to expectation. That's in the nature of sport and bearing in mind last season's injuries and whatever has been going on or not in the transfer window, I'll allow him time to regain the momentum he has had in the past. Thank you.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 21, 2016 16:30:38 GMT
I did wonder how far he'd take it. Got my answer in spades. No point in carrying on the debate. Shawcross looks a different player when he's not playing with Wolly. Why? Because he has faith to do things that he doesn't when Wolly is on the pitch. Wolly brings those around him down and that's been evident from the off and I've pretty much said it from the Rochdale cup game. If you play alongside someone you don't trust you will play worse as you try to think what cock up they're going to do next and how to cover that. Trust is a massive part of a defensive unit and it just isn't there. The main reason for that I believe is Wolly. I think your over playing it Bayern, reading too much into for the sake of hyperbole. I see Wolly getting plenty of the ball {too much}, they actively seek him out for the pass, not something for me that's indicative of a lack of trust. I agree that there are issues, I'm interested to see if Ryan and Wolfy can forge a more effective partnership. My initial thoughts are that both injury and the fact that they both prefer the 'dominant' role and are more comfortable on the right, means that there does appear to be more of an air of a battle than a complimentary partnership. Wollscheid for me was a cracking buy to cover Ryan's injury, operation and recovery. Not necessarily to be a pairing. It's a conundrum, no doubt Hughes will persevere, or he may go back to plan A Marc Muniesa, it'll be interesting to see what transpires. To say Hughes will lose his job and Pieters is done if Wolfy isn't dropped is ott imho.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2016 16:32:41 GMT
Yeah imagine wanting your team to perform to its best. We aren't doing and we haven't for 12 months. Last season was awful and so far there's been nothing to show change or even a hint of change. Hughes has it in him to succeed but to not address these problem in 12 months is negligence and he can't carry that on. pleasure. If it's OK with, in view of 3 seasons of some hope, expectation and pleasure, I'll cut the guy some slack for this season. I'm not going to turn on him when things don't come up to expectation. That's in the nature of sport and bearing in mind last season's injuries and whatever has been going on or not in the transfer window, I'll allow him time to regain the momentum he has had in the past. Thank you. The issues needed sorting last season too. I'm allowing him time! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) 3 months. He's already had 12!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2016 16:37:40 GMT
Shawcross looks a different player when he's not playing with Wolly. Why? Because he has faith to do things that he doesn't when Wolly is on the pitch. Wolly brings those around him down and that's been evident from the off and I've pretty much said it from the Rochdale cup game. If you play alongside someone you don't trust you will play worse as you try to think what cock up they're going to do next and how to cover that. Trust is a massive part of a defensive unit and it just isn't there. The main reason for that I believe is Wolly. I think your over playing it Bayern, reading too much into for the sake of hyperbole. I see Wolly getting plenty of the ball {too much}, they actively seek him out for the pass, not something for me that's indicative of a lack of trust. I agree that there are issues, I'm interested to see if Ryan and Wolfy can forge a more effective partnership. My initial thoughts are that both injury and the fact that they both prefer the 'dominant' role and are more comfortable on the right, means that there does appear to be more of an air of a battle than a complimentary partnership. Wollscheid for me was a cracking buy to cover Ryan's injury, operation and recovery. Not necessarily to be a pairing. It's a conundrum, no doubt Hughes will persevere, or he may go back to plan A Marc Muniesa, it'll be interesting to see what transpires. To say Hughes will lose his job and Pieters is done if Wolfy isn't dropped is ott imho. Of course they pass it to him, it's an easy pass on, the lack of trust is defensively. They've had however long and can't and don't look even remotely close to doing so. As back up I agree but that is all he should be. I think Hughes if he doesn't turn it around will feel the pressure especially at home. Dean saved him yesterday from another booing. And there are lots and lots of questions all forming over his decision making. I want him to sort it out because he is a decent manager but this last 12 months to watch have been so dull. He's got a problem on his hands and he needs to sort it. So far he's failing. I don't think Pieters is done, I think news of his demise has been extremely exaggerated. He's been poor but not as bad as suggested. He definitely needs to sort his game out though. I think the whole team will improve if Wolly is dropped. We could play higher up the pitch and play more of the game Hughes wants us to. Wolly is the first point Hughes' game plan breaks down.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 21, 2016 16:47:48 GMT
Yeah imagine wanting your team to perform to its best. We aren't doing and we haven't for 12 months. Last season was awful and so far there's been nothing to show change or even a hint of change. Hughes has it in him to succeed but to not address these problem in 12 months is negligence and he can't carry that on. Last season was awful? A season where we again finished in the top-half. A season where we were a penalty shootout away from a Wembley Cup Final. A season where for a good chunk of it we were rolling along at Champions League place form. If that's a fucking awful season I'd love to see what an alright one looks like.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2016 16:48:54 GMT
Yeah imagine wanting your team to perform to its best. We aren't doing and we haven't for 12 months. Last season was awful and so far there's been nothing to show change or even a hint of change. Hughes has it in him to succeed but to not address these problem in 12 months is negligence and he can't carry that on. Last season was awful? A season where we again finished in the top-half. A season where we were a penalty shootout away from a Wembley Cup Final. A season where for a good chunk of it we were rolling along at Champions League place form. If that's a fucking awful season I'd love to see what an alright one looks like. Yes it was. Dull. Was the best word to describe it.
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Post by crownmeking on Aug 21, 2016 16:51:35 GMT
Last season was awful? A season where we again finished in the top-half. A season where we were a penalty shootout away from a Wembley Cup Final. A season where for a good chunk of it we were rolling along at Champions League place form. If that's a fucking awful season I'd love to see what an alright one looks like. Yes it was. Dull. Was the best word to describe it. Dull, now there is a word that describes you to a point.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2016 16:53:06 GMT
Yes it was. Dull. Was the best word to describe it. Dull, now there is a word that describes you to a point. Not as dull as the turgid tripe served up last season. It really was crap. All the more frustrating due to the talent we have.
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Post by crownmeking on Aug 21, 2016 16:53:53 GMT
pleasure. If it's OK with, in view of 3 seasons of some hope, expectation and pleasure, I'll cut the guy some slack for this season. I'm not going to turn on him when things don't come up to expectation. That's in the nature of sport and bearing in mind last season's injuries and whatever has been going on or not in the transfer window, I'll allow him time to regain the momentum he has had in the past. Thank you. The issues needed sorting last season too. I'm allowing him time! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) 3 months. He's already had 12! And what are you going to do in 3 months if he hasn't improved enough for you? Write 80k posts on here about how wank he is??
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2016 16:58:49 GMT
The issues needed sorting last season too. I'm allowing him time! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) 3 months. He's already had 12! And what are you going to do in 3 months if he hasn't improved enough for you? Write 80k posts on here about how wank he is?? Yes.
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Post by trigger on Aug 21, 2016 17:21:35 GMT
I'm not defending Wollschield but he had an half decent game yesterday but Hughes obviously preaches that we build through him.
I lost count yesterday when we had the ball in midfield for it mysteriously to find its way back to Wollschield and Whelan was the main culprit he's like a human crab and I'm positive his eyes are located at the side of his head as he obviously can't look forward.
Hughes has all the pieces to put a team out that can on its day beat any team but I'm seeing more and more that I don't like about him and I think this will be his last season with us, if not prematurely before.
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Post by Miles Offside on Aug 21, 2016 23:08:16 GMT
I fucking hate Stoke fans at times He was probably ( apart from Allen ) the pick of a poor bunch yet we still have this utter fucking horseshite You hate Stoke fans? Who'd have thought it?
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Post by samba :) on Aug 21, 2016 23:10:35 GMT
I thought he was good
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Post by datguy on Aug 21, 2016 23:58:15 GMT
He's played better than Ryan in the last two games.
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 22, 2016 0:44:17 GMT
Wolly was very close to MOTM yesterday, just the same as he was last week at Boro. Some people on this board slag our players off without even watching the games. He was not close enough to Aguero who I thought was MOM. Aguero was the best player on view. Wollscheid was one of our better players.
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 22, 2016 0:46:10 GMT
Wolly was very close to MOTM yesterday, just the same as he was last week at Boro. Some people on this board slag our players off without even watching the games. I watch them. He was 5/10 at Boro, best of a bad bunch. Yesterday he made mistakes and threw a tantrum. Bardo was way better. Opinions are like arseholes; everyone has one. I think yours is wrong on this issue.
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 22, 2016 0:47:35 GMT
Wolly was very close to MOTM yesterday, just the same as he was last week at Boro. Some people on this board slag our players off without even watching the games. Very close to MOM??? We conceded 4?! Without Wollscheid it would have been 8.
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Post by ShaqsRightFoot on Aug 22, 2016 0:54:54 GMT
Very close to MOM??? We conceded 4?! Without Wollscheid it would have been 8. Totally agree with that without wollscheid it could of atleast doubled stop de Bruyne or silva going through cant remember. But the same names keep popping up to slate him. Constantly on his back
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Post by kustokie on Aug 22, 2016 1:02:43 GMT
And what are you going to do in 3 months if he hasn't improved enough for you? Write 80k posts on here about how wank he is?? Yes. Greetings, Bayern. You've made your point. I happen to agree. Wollscheidt is very dodgy and prone to cock-ups. Shawcross is more or less done for. Conclusion: we need help, urgently. You'll never win this argument, especially with insults. Only time will tell who's right.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 22, 2016 1:14:27 GMT
Yeah imagine wanting your team to perform to its best. We aren't doing and we haven't for 12 months. Last season was awful and so far there's been nothing to show change or even a hint of change. Hughes has it in him to succeed but to not address these problem in 12 months is negligence and he can't carry that on. Last season was awful? A season where we again finished in the top-half. A season where we were a penalty shootout away from a Wembley Cup Final. A season where for a good chunk of it we were rolling along at Champions League place form. If that's a fucking awful season I'd love to see what an alright one looks like. Reality check. The last time we won back to back was February 27 and March 2 against Newcastle and Aston Villa. I was there and neither performance was earth shattering. We drew later that week at Chelsea, which was the best performance for some time. I can't for the life of me figure out why we can't play that every week.
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Post by pottarius on Aug 22, 2016 4:42:00 GMT
I'm not defending Wollschield but he had an half decent game yesterday but Hughes obviously preaches that we build through him. I lost count yesterday when we had the ball in midfield for it mysteriously to find its way back to Wollschield and Whelan was the main culprit he's like a human crab and I'm positive his eyes are located at the side of his head as he obviously can't look forward. Hughes has all the pieces to put a team out that can on its day beat any team but I'm seeing more and more that I don't like about him and I think this will be his last season with us, if not prematurely before. Defending and Wollschied - doubt often see those words together without some venomous comment. He was easily the best of the backline (not saying much but he saved our blushes on a couple of occasions plus was very unlucky not to be awarded a free-kick in the build up to their killer 3rd goal) You're spot on about Whelan - he looked completely lost as he watched a proper midfielder zip around with eagerness in front and around him (Allen that is of course). Would not be surprised if Hughes adds a new more dynamic DM to his midfield obsession/collection and Glen is slowly relegated to the bench and ultimately the exit door
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 22, 2016 6:12:24 GMT
Whelan hasn't been doing what Whelan does best and hasn't for some time now. Pieters hasn't been doing what he normally does best and hasn't for some considerable time. Now we see Ryan struggling after injury (although I believe it goes a lot deeper than that)
That's 3 players in and around Wolly who are currently underperforming. Now it would seem that Wolly is the common denominator but for me they all need to pull their socks up and concentrate on their own game and start making Wolly look like the useless git many think he is instead of making him look like mr dependable he currently is.
Just a thought
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Post by foster on Aug 22, 2016 7:12:07 GMT
Wish people would save the Wolly bashing for when it's merited.
Really is pathetic behaviour to have a go at him now when it's clear Ryan was the problem on Saturday.
Not that bashing either does any good.
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Post by fca47 on Aug 22, 2016 7:19:56 GMT
Did anyone actually not see Wollsceid beaten in the air by Aguero for the second, and left trailing for the third.When people say he is half decent , that is true, he can pass, although that wasn't that great on Saturday, but the other half, his defending , is woeful.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 7:36:26 GMT
Did anyone actually not see Wollsceid beaten in the air by Aguero for the second, and left trailing for the third.When people say he is half decent , that is true, he can pass, although that wasn't that great on Saturday, but the other half, his defending , is woeful. Wollscheid was marking Kolarov.
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 22, 2016 7:40:47 GMT
Did anyone actually not see Wollsceid beaten in the air by Aguero for the second, and left trailing for the third.When people say he is half decent , that is true, he can pass, although that wasn't that great on Saturday, but the other half, his defending , is woeful. Wollscheid was marking Kolarov. That is irrelevant when it comes to Wolly as you well know.
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Post by philb on Aug 22, 2016 7:41:30 GMT
Did anyone actually not see Wollsceid beaten in the air by Aguero for the second, and left trailing for the third.When people say he is half decent , that is true, he can pass, although that wasn't that great on Saturday, but the other half, his defending , is woeful. Wollscheid was marking Kolarov. And if we'd have put somebody taller than Whelan as the first defender Aguero would never have got the ball in the first place.
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