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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 15:23:23 GMT
Very close to MOM??? We conceded 4?! Allen was our MOM yesterday. Allen was immense yesterday
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2016 15:24:25 GMT
Very close to MOM??? We conceded 4?! It's this nonsense that makes the divide even worse. He wasn't MOM yesterday at all. He got Whelan and Shawcross out of the shit a few times and made a few mistakes. No different to any other player on the pitch, even Allen who was the best of a bad lot. He's nowhere near as bad as people are making out. Dropping him won't turn us into the clean sheet machine many are hoping for. It would massively help though. The rest of the defence are on tenterhooks around him. There's no belief in him and you simply can't have that. His passing is crap too. Something that really does get overlooked.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 15:25:02 GMT
Very close to MOM??? We conceded 4?! It's this nonsense that makes the divide even worse. He wasn't MOM yesterday at all. He got Whelan and Shawcross out of the shit a few times and made a few mistakes. No different to any other player on the pitch, even Allen who was the best of a bad lot. He's nowhere near as bad as people are making out. Dropping him won't turn us into the clean sheet machine many are hoping for. I'd prefer to start Muni, but I still wouldn't feel comfortable. We need a replacement if we're too push on.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 21, 2016 15:25:05 GMT
I'd be careful you'd be accused of victimisation like myself. Haha I have. I don't like how he goes about his business. He's a bad defender and I will always pick on that. He seems to have an added edge that pisses his team mates off that the likes of Wilson and Collins never had. He is no team player that is a fact, his attitude is very suspect maybe we bought the wrong player.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 15:28:09 GMT
I'd be careful you'd be accused of victimisation like myself. Haha I have. I don't like how he goes about his business. He's a bad defender and I will always pick on that. He seems to have an added edge that pisses his team mates off that the likes of Wilson and Collins never had. Certain players just don't fit, let alone that he just can't play. Hughes evidently wants us to play it out from the back, Wolly can't pass, he even leans back and takes aim 5 seconds before he's hit it...just isn't good enough.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 21, 2016 15:29:15 GMT
It's this nonsense that makes the divide even worse. He wasn't MOM yesterday at all. He got Whelan and Shawcross out of the shit a few times and made a few mistakes. No different to any other player on the pitch, even Allen who was the best of a bad lot. He's nowhere near as bad as people are making out. Dropping him won't turn us into the clean sheet machine many are hoping for. It would massively help though. The rest of the defence are on tenterhooks around him. There's no belief in him and you simply can't have that. His passing is crap too. Something that really does get overlooked. Our ball playing CB maestro never ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) , it was the reason we sold Huth and bought him his passing is immense.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2016 15:29:23 GMT
Haha I have. I don't like how he goes about his business. He's a bad defender and I will always pick on that. He seems to have an added edge that pisses his team mates off that the likes of Wilson and Collins never had. Certain players just don't fit, let alone that he just can't play. Hughes evidently wants us to play it out from the back, Wolly can't pass, he even leans back and takes aim 5 seconds before he's hit it...just isn't good enough. And that's what caused the third goal. He has no redeeming feature.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 15:29:24 GMT
Very close to MOM??? We conceded 4?! Allen was our MOM yesterday. By an absolute mile.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 21, 2016 15:31:47 GMT
Allen was our MOM yesterday. By an absolute mile. Closely followed of course by Wolly the defender who was at fault for 50% of the goals we conceded yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 15:36:05 GMT
It's this nonsense that makes the divide even worse. He wasn't MOM yesterday at all. He got Whelan and Shawcross out of the shit a few times and made a few mistakes. No different to any other player on the pitch, even Allen who was the best of a bad lot. He's nowhere near as bad as people are making out. Dropping him won't turn us into the clean sheet machine many are hoping for. It would massively help though. The rest of the defence are on tenterhooks around him. There's no belief in him and you simply can't have that. His passing is crap too. Something that really does get overlooked. How would it help? We have a captain with his back strapped to death in tape, a walking red card at right back, christ knows what at left back and a defensive shield in midfield that is on the turn. If you look at it rightly, you could argue that individually and collectively they are all as bad as each other.
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Post by philb on Aug 21, 2016 15:39:58 GMT
It's this nonsense that makes the divide even worse. He wasn't MOM yesterday at all. He got Whelan and Shawcross out of the shit a few times and made a few mistakes. No different to any other player on the pitch, even Allen who was the best of a bad lot. He's nowhere near as bad as people are making out. Dropping him won't turn us into the clean sheet machine many are hoping for. It would massively help though. The rest of the defence are on tenterhooks around him. There's no belief in him and you simply can't have that. His passing is crap too. Something that really does get overlooked. Just out of interest what do you base your first point on? Have you asked them? Have they said anything? Can you tell by there body language? No, no and no would be my guess. That's just a belief that you hold and has no reasoning or proof. You clearly don't rate the player which is fair enough but there's no point in making up stuff to back up your argument.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 21, 2016 15:42:34 GMT
It would massively help though. The rest of the defence are on tenterhooks around him. There's no belief in him and you simply can't have that. His passing is crap too. Something that really does get overlooked. Just out of interest what do you base your first point on? Have you asked them? Have they said anything? Can you tell by there body language? No, no and no would be my guess. That's just a belief that you hold and has no reasoning or proof. You clearly don't rate the player which is fair enough but there's no point in making up stuff to back up your argument. I wonder if Marc Wilson could enlighten us on the situation with Wolfy !!, anyone on twitter
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 15:43:19 GMT
Closely followed of course by Wolly the defender who was at fault for 50% of the goals we conceded yesterday. There were two defenders who performed worse than Wollschied yesterday,but let's not let that get in the way of a bit of Wolly bashing eh.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2016 15:45:54 GMT
It would massively help though. The rest of the defence are on tenterhooks around him. There's no belief in him and you simply can't have that. His passing is crap too. Something that really does get overlooked. How would it help? We have a captain with his back strapped to death in tape, a walking red card at right back, christ knows what at left back and a defensive shield in midfield that is on the turn. If you look at it rightly, you could argue that individually and collectively they are all as bad as each other. Shawcross just needs games. Bardo was the best of the lot yesterday. Ekker has been poor but with someone he trusts on the inside I think that would redress itself. And I think Whelan has been fine in general play! 😂 We clearly need better but I think the stick going his way is undeserved given his partner in midfield.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2016 15:46:32 GMT
It would massively help though. The rest of the defence are on tenterhooks around him. There's no belief in him and you simply can't have that. His passing is crap too. Something that really does get overlooked. Just out of interest what do you base your first point on? Have you asked them? Have they said anything? Can you tell by there body language? No, no and no would be my guess. That's just a belief that you hold and has no reasoning or proof. You clearly don't rate the player which is fair enough but there's no point in making up stuff to back up your argument. It's obvious!
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 21, 2016 15:49:05 GMT
Closely followed of course by Wolly the defender who was at fault for 50% of the goals we conceded yesterday. There were two defenders who performed worse than Wollschied yesterday,but let's not let that get in the way of a bit of Wolly bashing eh. I am not saying he was the worse defender yesterday Sid, but to even think he was anywhere near our MOM yesterday is fantasy island stuff, the thread is about Wolfy and from a lot of he comments on it people are not impressed with him, not just yesterday but since Hughes signed him on loan.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Aug 21, 2016 15:54:26 GMT
How would it help? We have a captain with his back strapped to death in tape, a walking red card at right back, christ knows what at left back and a defensive shield in midfield that is on the turn. If you look at it rightly, you could argue that individually and collectively they are all as bad as each other. Shawcross just needs games. Bardo was the best of the lot yesterday. Ekker has been poor but with someone he trusts on the inside I think that would redress itself. And I think Whelan has been fine in general play! 😂 We clearly need better but I think the stick going his way is undeserved given his partner in midfield. Haha.Not content with blaming Wolly every time the opposition score,you're even blaming him for Pieters' poor form.Brilliant.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2016 15:59:01 GMT
Shawcross just needs games. Bardo was the best of the lot yesterday. Ekker has been poor but with someone he trusts on the inside I think that would redress itself. And I think Whelan has been fine in general play! 😂 We clearly need better but I think the stick going his way is undeserved given his partner in midfield. Haha.Not content with blaming Wolly every time the opposition score,you're even blaming him for Pieters' poor form.Brilliant. I haven't blamed him for it at all have I? But having that insurance inside of you will naturally give you more confidence to find your own form. He upsets the apple cart and that's plain to see. Take him out and it will solve a lot of the issues we see. I'm sure of it. He's rotten to the core.
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Post by baystokie on Aug 21, 2016 16:00:31 GMT
There were two defenders who performed worse than Wollschied yesterday,but let's not let that get in the way of a bit of Wolly bashing eh. I am not saying he was the worse defender yesterday Sid, but to even think he was anywhere near our MOM yesterday is fantasy island stuff, the thread is about Wolfy and from a lot of he comments on it people are not impressed with him, not just yesterday but since Hughes signed him on loan. People may not be impressed with him but that's irrelevant (and questionable?) whilst the man who matters still has faith in him. Maybe you should ask him why he doesn't listen to the 'lot of comments' from so many knowledgeable pundits? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2016 16:01:58 GMT
I am not saying he was the worse defender yesterday Sid, but to even think he was anywhere near our MOM yesterday is fantasy island stuff, the thread is about Wolfy and from a lot of he comments on it people are not impressed with him, not just yesterday but since Hughes signed him on loan. People may not be impressed with him but that's irrelevant (and questionable?) whilst the man who matters still has faith in him. Maybe you should ask him why he doesn't listen to the 'lot of comments' from so many knowledgeable pundits? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) I'm fast losing faith in the man that matters though. He's got 3 months to sort things for me. If not, I want him gone.
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 21, 2016 16:03:07 GMT
Thought Wolli was better than Ryan which doesn't say much. Bards was OK, just, Pieters was awful.
Our best defender was Arnie
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Post by stokerstayinup on Aug 21, 2016 16:03:37 GMT
Haha.Not content with blaming Wolly every time the opposition score,you're even blaming him for Pieters' poor form.Brilliant. I haven't blamed him for it at all have I? But having that insurance inside of you will naturally give you more confidence to find your own form. He upsets the apple cart and that's plain to see. Take him out and it will solve a lot of the issues we see. I'm sure of it. He's rotten to the core. err,yes you did,in the post I quoted and then again in your reply.Rotten to the core? You don't half spout some shite.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2016 16:07:34 GMT
I haven't blamed him for it at all have I? But having that insurance inside of you will naturally give you more confidence to find your own form. He upsets the apple cart and that's plain to see. Take him out and it will solve a lot of the issues we see. I'm sure of it. He's rotten to the core. err,yes you did,in the post I quoted and then again in your reply.Rotten to the core? You don't half spout some shite. No I haven't. I've said I think with someone on the inside that he trusts his form would improve, I think it would. That's not blaming Wolly for his form. It's no coincidence the defence has gone to shit since Wollscheid arrived. He's abysmal and the sooner people see it, the better.
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Post by baystokie on Aug 21, 2016 16:08:12 GMT
Haha.Not content with blaming Wolly every time the opposition score,you're even blaming him for Pieters' poor form.Brilliant. I haven't blamed him for it at all have I? But having that insurance inside of you will naturally give you more confidence to find your own form. He upsets the apple cart and that's plain to see. Take him out and it will solve a lot of the issues we see. I'm sure of it. He's rotten to the core. He probably thinks the same of you - I do!
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Post by jeycov on Aug 21, 2016 16:08:12 GMT
It would massively help though. The rest of the defence are on tenterhooks around him. There's no belief in him and you simply can't have that. His passing is crap too. Something that really does get overlooked. How would it help? We have a captain with his back strapped to death in tape, a walking red card at right back, christ knows what at left back and a defensive shield in midfield that is on the turn. If you look at it rightly, you could argue that individually and collectively they are all as bad as each other. We need to ADD a CB to our squad not replace one. Competition for places, selecting the stronger pairing when all 3 /4/5 are fit. Ryan on 2 yellows already, all defenders likely to pick up more cards if the stricter officiating continues.
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Post by philb on Aug 21, 2016 16:10:36 GMT
Given - too old Johnson - too injury prone Bardsley - liable to get sent off every game he plays Shawcross - lost it Wolly - never had it Pieters - lost any form he had Whelan - past it (needs upgrading) Imbula - needs to learn when to pass Shaq - not a winger Arnie - too bone idle at times and won't take anyone on Bojan - too lightweight Adam - see Bardsley Diouf - terrible finisher especially 1v1 Crouch - past it Joselu - not good enough
Got a good looking squad haven't we according to some on here!
RELEGATION LOOMS........... ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 16:10:40 GMT
Shawcross just needs games. Bardo was the best of the lot yesterday. Ekker has been poor but with someone he trusts on the inside I think that would redress itself. And I think Whelan has been fine in general play! 😂 We clearly need better but I think the stick going his way is undeserved given his partner in midfield. Haha.Not content with blaming Wolly every time the opposition score,you're even blaming him for Pieters' poor form.Brilliant. I did wonder how far he'd take it. Got my answer in spades. No point in carrying on the debate.
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Post by baystokie on Aug 21, 2016 16:11:16 GMT
People may not be impressed with him but that's irrelevant (and questionable?) whilst the man who matters still has faith in him. Maybe you should ask him why he doesn't listen to the 'lot of comments' from so many knowledgeable pundits? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) I'm fast losing faith in the man that matters though. He's got 3 months to sort things for me. If not, I want him gone. I think the same of you but don't take 3 months please! 'I want him gone' - such bloody arrogance - 'want, want, want', that's typical of all modern supporters!
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Post by liathroid on Aug 21, 2016 16:11:29 GMT
err,yes you did,in the post I quoted and then again in your reply.Rotten to the core? You don't half spout some shite. No I haven't. I've said I think with someone on the inside that he trusts his form would improve, I think it would. That's not blaming Wolly for his form. It's no coincidence the defence has gone to shit since Wollscheid arrived. He's abysmal and the sooner people see it, the better. on 85,000 posts BAYERN ![(bravo)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/aX_EnhrKOKv0Zc_aN8eF.gif)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2016 16:12:10 GMT
I haven't blamed him for it at all have I? But having that insurance inside of you will naturally give you more confidence to find your own form. He upsets the apple cart and that's plain to see. Take him out and it will solve a lot of the issues we see. I'm sure of it. He's rotten to the core. He probably thinks the same of you - I do! Oh he would because he can't see the wood for the trees and isn't honest with himself as the Allen incident showed. He's another Collins and Wilson and like them pair Stoke fans can't see it. It's frightening.
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