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Post by kbillyh on Jul 23, 2015 12:19:21 GMT
Not being on the 'right' I am not speaking for the right Billy, but equally many Labour party supporters/ members ( and it is debatable if they are on the right or left) are apoplectic at the prospect of his nomination. He would split the party, possibly for the better. I hope that he does get elected and is honest about the EU He will split the party, and for the better IMO. The biggest assumption being made here (not by yourself) is that most of the Labour party as it stands are anywhere near the left, they aren't, they are the "Tory light" pretending to be Labour, they represent the corporations over the people every time. That's why they are suddenly shitting it over his rise, spreading the politics of fear in order to nip him in the bud before the real politics of policies start becoming mainstream again. Everything being written or spoken about him via the media reminds me of the noises being made over the SNP and their anti-austerity messages and lets face it, they didn't do too badly did they? |
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Post by Northy on Jul 23, 2015 12:20:36 GMT
I see Tony Bliar was spouting off about him yesterday, so Jeff gets my vote  well he won't because I am not eligible to vote This might be a personal question BUT...Why can't you vote? I'm not a member of the labour party or a self employed tax dodging plasterer  |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 23, 2015 12:30:29 GMT
This might be a personal question BUT...Why can't you vote? I'm not a member of the labour party or a self employed tax dodging plasterer I thought you meant ineligible to vote in general elections!  |
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 23, 2015 13:06:11 GMT
I see Tony Bliar was spouting off about him yesterday, so Jeff gets my vote well he won't because I am not eligible to vote Actually Tory bliar made a lot of sense yesterday , one thing he said which should strike a cord with the Labour Party was they are so intent on moving to the left to create a gulf between them and the conservatives , they are also creating a gulf with the electorate who voted in a right wing government |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2015 13:23:31 GMT
I see Tony Bliar was spouting off about him yesterday, so Jeff gets my vote well he won't because I am not eligible to vote Actually Tory bliar made a lot of sense yesterday , one thing he said which should strike a cord with the Labour Party was they are so intent on moving to the left to create a gulf between them and the conservatives , they are also creating a gulf with the electorate who voted in a right wing government Spot on . There are many on here more interested in left wing policies than trying to win an election . The problem is that they're that thick they don't understand you first have to win the election before you can put paint on the canvas . They seem obsessed with what the media puts out and how terrible it all is ..... They don't seem to like the fact that there are millions of people opposed to immigration and the road the European Union is sending us down. That's why the far left I would describe as bags of hot air with no useful purpose other than moaning . You never hear them mention the economy , or job creation , or the impact that all this immigration is having because they are blinkered to the point of obsessive destruction of the party itself . |
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 23, 2015 13:35:08 GMT
Actually Tory bliar made a lot of sense yesterday , one thing he said which should strike a cord with the Labour Party was they are so intent on moving to the left to create a gulf between them and the conservatives , they are also creating a gulf with the electorate who voted in a right wing government Spot on . There are many on here more interested in left wing policies than trying to win an election . The problem is that they're that thick they don't understand you first have to win the election before you can put paint on the canvas . They seem obsessed with what the media puts out and how terrible it all is ..... They don't seem to like the fact that there are millions of people opposed to immigration and the road the European Union is sending us down. That's why the far left I would describe as bags of hot air with no useful purpose other than moaning . You never hear them mention the economy , or job creation , or the impact that all this immigration is having because they are blinkered to the point of obsessive destruction of the party itself . a Although labour claim to represent the working people of this country they have never in recent history either reduced unemployment or created sustainable employment . Labours immigration policies and its scandalous attempts at gerrymandering has just created a low pay culture across the country . The conservatives squeeze on public spending will be very difficult for a lot of hard pressed people . Future generations will thank them for it though |
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Post by starkiller on Jul 23, 2015 15:05:30 GMT
Obviously any ideas that favour the ordinary people of the country will be labelled as 'Left' by the corporate media as a derogatory term.
A bit like the use of the phrase 'conspiracy theory' for anything that questions the official reported version of events.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2015 15:11:10 GMT
Spot on . There are many on here more interested in left wing policies than trying to win an election . The problem is that they're that thick they don't understand you first have to win the election before you can put paint on the canvas . They seem obsessed with what the media puts out and how terrible it all is ..... They don't seem to like the fact that there are millions of people opposed to immigration and the road the European Union is sending us down. That's why the far left I would describe as bags of hot air with no useful purpose other than moaning . You never hear them mention the economy , or job creation , or the impact that all this immigration is having because they are blinkered to the point of obsessive destruction of the party itself . a Although labour claim to represent the working people of this country they have never in recent history either reduced unemployment or created sustainable employment . Labours immigration policies and its scandalous attempts at gerrymandering has just created a low pay culture across the country . The conservatives squeeze on public spending will be very difficult for a lot of hard pressed people . Future generations will thank them for it though I agree....how is the Tory Immigration policy going by the way? |
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Post by Northy on Jul 23, 2015 15:12:59 GMT
I see Tony Bliar was spouting off about him yesterday, so Jeff gets my vote well he won't because I am not eligible to vote Actually Tory bliar made a lot of sense yesterday , one thing he said which should strike a cord with the Labour Party was they are so intent on moving to the left to create a gulf between them and the conservatives , they are also creating a gulf with the electorate who voted in a right wing government I didn't hear him, I was too busy showing my arse at the TV |
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 23, 2015 15:39:53 GMT
Obviously any ideas that favour the ordinary people of the country will be labelled as 'Left' by the corporate media as a derogatory term. A bit like the use of the phrase 'conspiracy theory' for anything that questions the official reported version of events. The Torys are the voice of the "elite" & whatever they do is ideologically bent. All the media need to give a nod to the "elite", cause they hold power even when not in power. Even the BBC are scared of the Torys, cause they know what a bunch of spiteful cnuts they are & what they may do when the next BBC licence is up for renewal. The Torys know what they want & it's to undo everything that Clement Attlee achieved & I mean everything & send us back to the 1920/30's. You will know your £@#&!ng place PlebsXx |
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 23, 2015 15:50:19 GMT
a Although labour claim to represent the working people of this country they have never in recent history either reduced unemployment or created sustainable employment . Labours immigration policies and its scandalous attempts at gerrymandering has just created a low pay culture across the country . The conservatives squeeze on public spending will be very difficult for a lot of hard pressed people . Future generations will thank them for it though I agree....how is the Tory Immigration policy going by the way? Better talk to the EU about that |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 23, 2015 17:29:00 GMT
Obviously any ideas that favour the ordinary people of the country will be labelled as 'Left' by the corporate media as a derogatory term. A bit like the use of the phrase 'conspiracy theory' for anything that questions the official reported version of events. The Torys are the voice of the "elite" & whatever they do is ideologically bent. All the media need to give a nod to the "elite", cause they hold power even when not in power. Even the BBC are scared of the Torys, cause they know what a bunch of spiteful cnuts they are & what they may do when the next BBC licence is up for renewal. The Torys know what they want & it's to undo everything that Clement Attlee achieved & I mean everything & send us back to the 1920/30's. You will know your £@#&!ng place PlebsXx You are right Bath, and at the rate we are going there will be no effective opposition for 15 years. The cuts will be brutal. In my opinion Welfare and Aid amongst other things, need to be looked at,as does balancing the budget, but with no opposition the extent of the cuts, just in a second term, may be beyond our imagination. In reality I don't think the Tories have a real vision, intention, will or plan to improve the lot of young people and ordinary people, to give us a future. (Okay, most of us know that that was never on their agenda). Just austerity to look forward to then, as the way forward. Might move to Greece. |
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 23, 2015 17:55:02 GMT
Obviously any ideas that favour the ordinary people of the country will be labelled as 'Left' by the corporate media as a derogatory term. A bit like the use of the phrase 'conspiracy theory' for anything that questions the official reported version of events. The Torys are the voice of the "elite" & whatever they do is ideologically bent. All the media need to give a nod to the "elite", cause they hold power even when not in power. Even the BBC are scared of the Torys, cause they know what a bunch of spiteful cnuts they are & what they may do when the next BBC licence is up for renewal. The Torys know what they want & it's to undo everything that Clement Attlee achieved & I mean everything & send us back to the 1920/30's. You will know your £@#&!ng place PlebsXx There have been plenty of labour governments that could have built on Attlee's achievements , by and large they have failed the working class in this country . Through sheer incompetence . |
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 23, 2015 18:24:18 GMT
The Torys are the voice of the "elite" & whatever they do is ideologically bent. All the media need to give a nod to the "elite", cause they hold power even when not in power. Even the BBC are scared of the Torys, cause they know what a bunch of spiteful cnuts they are & what they may do when the next BBC licence is up for renewal. The Torys know what they want & it's to undo everything that Clement Attlee achieved & I mean everything & send us back to the 1920/30's. You will know your £@#&!ng place PlebsXx There have been plenty of labour governments that could have built on Attlee's achievements , by and large they have failed the working class in this country . Through sheer incompetence . They didn't fail the working class, they always tried to help, even when their hands were tied. The only people to fail the canon fodder of the working class is the Tory's. Stick to your own agenda Harry, this is our thread. It's bad enough that these are going to grind us into the dirt for 5trsXx |
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Post by stokeharry on Jul 23, 2015 18:29:19 GMT
The Torys are the voice of the "elite" & whatever they do is ideologically bent. All the media need to give a nod to the "elite", cause they hold power even when not in power. Even the BBC are scared of the Torys, cause they know what a bunch of spiteful cnuts they are & what they may do when the next BBC licence is up for renewal. The Torys know what they want & it's to undo everything that Clement Attlee achieved & I mean everything & send us back to the 1920/30's. You will know your £@#&!ng place PlebsXx they have failed the working class in this country Correct |
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 23, 2015 18:29:42 GMT
There have been plenty of labour governments that could have built on Attlee's achievements , by and large they have failed the working class in this country . Through sheer incompetence . They didn't fail the working class, they always tried to help, even when their hands were tied. The only people to fail the canon fodder of the working class is the Tory's. Stick to your own agenda Harry, this is our thread. It's bad enough that these are going to grind us into the dirt for 5trsXx Don't have an agenda mate ,,,,,,,,,,,,,our thread  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2015 19:55:30 GMT
They didn't fail the working class, they always tried to help, even when their hands were tied. The only people to fail the canon fodder of the working class is the Tory's. Stick to your own agenda Harry, this is our thread. It's bad enough that these are going to grind us into the dirt for 5trsXx Don't have an agenda mate ,,,,,,,,,,,,,our thread It could have been our tune ....  |
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 23, 2015 20:31:23 GMT
There have been plenty of labour governments that could have built on Attlee's achievements , by and large they have failed the working class in this country . Through sheer incompetence . They didn't fail the working class, they always tried to help, even when their hands were tied. The only people to fail the canon fodder of the working class is the Tory's. Stick to your own agenda Harry, this is our thread. It's bad enough that these are going to grind us into the dirt for 5trsXx With Labour as the main opposition I fear that they will be grinding us into dirt for at least 10 years, Labour failed to read the mood of people who would usually expect to vote for them, they should have made some stance on limiting mass migration they were to scared to do this and lost millions of voters to UKIP, I turned my back on Labour for the first time last election and voted UKIP because I and many millions have had enough of their stance on this issue. |
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Post by starkiller on Jul 24, 2015 1:44:33 GMT
Obviously any ideas that favour the ordinary people of the country will be labelled as 'Left' by the corporate media as a derogatory term. A bit like the use of the phrase 'conspiracy theory' for anything that questions the official reported version of events. The Torys are the voice of the "elite" & whatever they do is ideologically bent. All the media need to give a nod to the "elite", cause they hold power even when not in power. Even the BBC are scared of the Torys, cause they know what a bunch of spiteful cnuts they are & what they may do when the next BBC licence is up for renewal. The Torys know what they want & it's to undo everything that Clement Attlee achieved & I mean everything & send us back to the 1920/30's. You will know your £@#&!ng place PlebsXx Probably even further back to Victorian times. Pawn brokers, loan sharks, the homeless, food banks, and modern 'mill-owners' like Amazon. All whilst the gentry live it up and increase their wealth. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 24, 2015 2:11:49 GMT
The Torys are the voice of the "elite" & whatever they do is ideologically bent. All the media need to give a nod to the "elite", cause they hold power even when not in power. Even the BBC are scared of the Torys, cause they know what a bunch of spiteful cnuts they are & what they may do when the next BBC licence is up for renewal. The Torys know what they want & it's to undo everything that Clement Attlee achieved & I mean everything & send us back to the 1920/30's. You will know your £@#&!ng place PlebsXx Probably even further back to Victorian times. Pawn brokers, loan sharks, the homeless, food banks, and modern 'mill-owners' like Amazon. All whilst the gentry live it up and increase their wealth. And now the ones most compliant is the working class themselves. |
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 24, 2015 3:20:44 GMT
Probably even further back to Victorian times. Pawn brokers, loan sharks, the homeless, food banks, and modern 'mill-owners' like Amazon. All whilst the gentry live it up and increase their wealth. And now the ones most compliant is the working class themselves. Seem to have lost their b%!!%#&$ |
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 24, 2015 3:24:26 GMT
They didn't fail the working class, they always tried to help, even when their hands were tied. The only people to fail the canon fodder of the working class is the Tory's. Stick to your own agenda Harry, this is our thread. It's bad enough that these are going to grind us into the dirt for 5trsXx With Labour as the main opposition I fear that they will be grinding us into dirt for at least 10 years, Labour failed to read the mood of people who would usually expect to vote for them, they should have made some stance on limiting mass migration they were to scared to do this and lost millions of voters to UKIP, I turned my back on Labour for the first time last election and voted UKIP because I and many millions have had enough of their stance on this issue. Chose the wrong Miliband |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 24, 2015 4:18:30 GMT
And now the ones most compliant is the working class themselves. Seem to have lost their b%!!%#&$ I agree. For me their purpose and roots in trade unionism and work have been lost. With a decline in manufacturing Labour's traditional power base has gone and they do not know where to go from here.To be honest I believe it's terminal.It might be a slow, drawn out death but no one ( or not enough of the prominent members) in the party is willing to grasp the nettle and do something different.For me this would be leaving the EU , but unfortunately the party leaders have become millionaires, University educated theorists, not workers and this has increased the disconnect.Also the unemployed (until recently) have to a degree been bought off by the welfare system giving many of them just enough to survive and enjoy a fag, a bet and a can without having to work ( not all by any means, despondency for many). Since they see no real prospect for improvement by work , they may as well accept the bribe to keep quiet . |
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 24, 2015 6:10:40 GMT
With Labour as the main opposition I fear that they will be grinding us into dirt for at least 10 years, Labour failed to read the mood of people who would usually expect to vote for them, they should have made some stance on limiting mass migration they were to scared to do this and lost millions of voters to UKIP, I turned my back on Labour for the first time last election and voted UKIP because I and many millions have had enough of their stance on this issue. Chose the wrong Miliband I totally agree chosen by the Unions for their own purposes, they should have ditched him eighteen months ago to have given them a chance the party is weak and the voters saw it. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 24, 2015 9:28:57 GMT
No they don't . This is what newspapers do to sell newspapers . Blair knows how to win elections and Corbyn knows how to fragment the party into a left wing group of no hopers . If this CND clown wins the vote , then that's it for me . The damage he's caused already will take months to repair simply by standing up for election. If you , or anyone else thinks that the British public will vote for him or his policies then you and they need your heads examining . You can write off ten percentage points in one go . Not a chance in hell . Wrong. Completely and utterly wrong. |
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 24, 2015 11:38:35 GMT
No they don't . This is what newspapers do to sell newspapers . Blair knows how to win elections and Corbyn knows how to fragment the party into a left wing group of no hopers . If this CND clown wins the vote , then that's it for me . The damage he's caused already will take months to repair simply by standing up for election. If you , or anyone else thinks that the British public will vote for him or his policies then you and they need your heads examining . You can write off ten percentage points in one go . Not a chance in hell . Wrong. Completely and utterly wrong. On this occassion he is absolutely right. The comparison made elsewhere with the 80s is very apt. Labour face a pivotal moment in their history. Do they want to be a party of Government of a party of protest. I get the feeling you're satisfied with protest. |
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Post by stokeharry on Jul 24, 2015 11:47:48 GMT
No they don't . This is what newspapers do to sell newspapers . Blair knows how to win elections and Corbyn knows how to fragment the party into a left wing group of no hopers . If this CND clown wins the vote , then that's it for me . The damage he's caused already will take months to repair simply by standing up for election. If you , or anyone else thinks that the British public will vote for him or his policies then you and they need your heads examining . You can write off ten percentage points in one go . Not a chance in hell . Correct Spot on mate |
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 24, 2015 12:01:14 GMT
No they don't . This is what newspapers do to sell newspapers . Blair knows how to win elections and Corbyn knows how to fragment the party into a left wing group of no hopers . If this CND clown wins the vote , then that's it for me . The damage he's caused already will take months to repair simply by standing up for election. If you , or anyone else thinks that the British public will vote for him or his policies then you and they need your heads examining . You can write off ten percentage points in one go . Not a chance in hell . Wrong. Completely and utterly wrong. Is he really, who in their right mind would vote for this left wing dinosaur. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 13:21:44 GMT
No they don't . This is what newspapers do to sell newspapers . Blair knows how to win elections and Corbyn knows how to fragment the party into a left wing group of no hopers . If this CND clown wins the vote , then that's it for me . The damage he's caused already will take months to repair simply by standing up for election. If you , or anyone else thinks that the British public will vote for him or his policies then you and they need your heads examining . You can write off ten percentage points in one go . Not a chance in hell . Wrong. Completely and utterly wrong. That's rich coming from the person who's famously managed to get everything completely fucking wrong with regards to politics and the economy since day one. You're the barometer for measuring absolute shit. Your comment is proof that Jeremy Corbyn hasn't a chance. Not one. |
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Post by Biblical on Jul 24, 2015 15:47:56 GMT
There are plenty of Labour supporters suggesting that Corbyn leading the party would be a backwards step but what I'm slighltly baffled by is why the right are now getting stuck into him as well, surely they'd want someone they think has no chance of getting elected to be the leader of the opposition? |
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