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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 13, 2015 19:02:40 GMT
 For Mumf....  Wow....childish in the extreme. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 13, 2015 19:04:28 GMT
Can you guess which one holds the seat of power children ? Think you might need an apostrophe there matey  |
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Post by desman2 on Sept 13, 2015 19:06:37 GMT
Bit strange campaigning agains,t apartheid but talking about women only trains
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Post by kbillyh on Sept 13, 2015 19:14:05 GMT
Bit strange campaigning agains,t apartheid but talking about women only trains Twisty despo despo Des.  Clutching a bit to say the least matey.....Ever though about playing the anti-Semite card, or you could go with the "he wore a hat that i think i saw Lenin wear once"....play the joker. |
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 13, 2015 19:19:33 GMT
It's a great pity Luke with all that intelligence they've never quite worked out how to run the country 1945-51 as just one example? Advocated by most political commentators as being the standout government of the 20th century in terms of achievement. In fact most of the advances to our society that we all take for granted right now have come political initiatives which derive from traditionally 'left-leaning' ideology. Rights for workers, social housing, the welfare state, the NHS to name just four. The fact that people over the last 35 years are daft enough to vote for governments red and blue which continually underfund these institutions doesn't make them any less valid. There's more than enough money in this country to solve all of its problems, it's just that most of it is in the hands of people who don't want to share a bigger portion of it, despite being more than able to afford to. And this continuing and deepening austerity seems to be returning us to exactly the kind of Edwardian reliance on private charitable giving (food banks etc) that prompted Attlee to realise that this would never solve poverty and inequality and that state initiated redistribution of wealth would. We seem very much to have given up on that idea. Over the last decade, as living standards dropped for most of us as a result of a neoliberal economy-inspired recession, the wealthiest got even wealthier. If you think that is how to run the country for the majority of people in it, you have some strange idea of how to run a country. Its really interesting to listen to your reminiscences . Most socialists have to refer back to the middle of the last century in order to prove that labour has actually done a decent job in office . Attlee was indeed a visionary , a great leader and someone we should all be grateful to . That was 60 years ago and I can't think of a labour government since then that hasn't bled the country dry and left office with an almighty mess to clean up |
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Post by desman2 on Sept 13, 2015 19:26:25 GMT
Bit strange campaigning agains,t apartheid but talking about women only trains Twisty despo despo Des. Clutching a bit to say the least matey.....Ever though about playing the anti-Semite card, or you could go with the "he wore a hat that i think i saw Lenin wear once"....play the joker. Mind you having women only trains might just work. Theyd then have double the rolling stock and everyone would get their train |
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Post by ukcstokie on Sept 13, 2015 19:43:16 GMT
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Post by starkiller on Sept 13, 2015 20:27:13 GMT
1945-51 as just one example? Advocated by most political commentators as being the standout government of the 20th century in terms of achievement. In fact most of the advances to our society that we all take for granted right now have come political initiatives which derive from traditionally 'left-leaning' ideology. Rights for workers, social housing, the welfare state, the NHS to name just four. The fact that people over the last 35 years are daft enough to vote for governments red and blue which continually underfund these institutions doesn't make them any less valid. There's more than enough money in this country to solve all of its problems, it's just that most of it is in the hands of people who don't want to share a bigger portion of it, despite being more than able to afford to. And this continuing and deepening austerity seems to be returning us to exactly the kind of Edwardian reliance on private charitable giving (food banks etc) that prompted Attlee to realise that this would never solve poverty and inequality and that state initiated redistribution of wealth would. We seem very much to have given up on that idea. Over the last decade, as living standards dropped for most of us as a result of a neoliberal economy-inspired recession, the wealthiest got even wealthier. If you think that is how to run the country for the majority of people in it, you have some strange idea of how to run a country. Its really interesting to listen to your reminiscences . Most socialists have to refer back to the middle of the last century in order to prove that labour has actually done a decent job in office . Attlee was indeed a visionary , a great leader and someone we should all be grateful to . That was 60 years ago and I can't think of a labour government since then that hasn't bled the country dry and left office with an almighty mess to clean up There hasn't been a single good Tory government either. And they are not a threat. They are an actual, realised monster... Robbing the poor as I type and syphoning off their cash to the elite. |
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Post by salopstick on Sept 13, 2015 21:10:14 GMT
Andy burnham shadow Home Secretary and so the political manoeuvring begins
These people refusing to serve corbyn deserve what they get. In life you should be loyal. Loyal to the party they represent and loyal to their democratically elected leader.
They don't have to agree but without unity the party goes no where. Voters won't warm to the likes of cooper and hunt with the track record they are beginning
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 13, 2015 21:15:13 GMT
Twisty despo despo Des. Clutching a bit to say the least matey.....Ever though about playing the anti-Semite card, or you could go with the "he wore a hat that i think i saw Lenin wear once"....play the joker. Mind you having women only trains might just work. Theyd then have double the rolling stock and everyone would get their train See he is looking to bring the racist Diane Abbott into his shadow cabinet, what a surprise B-|maybe he will extend the women only trains to black women only trains and so on to infinitum, you really could not make this up comedy gold buckle up this train ride is going to hilarious. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 13, 2015 21:25:14 GMT
Mind you having women only trains might just work. Theyd then have double the rolling stock and everyone would get their train See he is looking to bring the racist Diane Abbott into his shadow cabinet, what a surprise B-|maybe he will extend the women only trains to black women only trains and so on to infinitum, you really could not make this up comedy gold buckle up this train ride is going to hilarious. But you're leaving us. Why on earth should you care and why should we care what you think? |
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Post by kbillyh on Sept 13, 2015 21:27:18 GMT
Andy burnham shadow Home Secretary and so the political manoeuvring begins These people refusing to serve corbyn deserve what they get. In life you should be loyal. Loyal to the party they represent and loyal to their democratically elected leader. They don't have to agree but without unity the party goes no where. Voters won't warm to the likes of cooper and hunt with the track record they are beginning Nah, i can see how that works from a conservative perspective as they don't exactly promote democracy for the masses. To me though if an elected member of parliament (who in theory is there to represent the people who voted for them) decides to view an opinion that differs from the parties whip then it is something to be embraced rather than chastised. |
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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 13, 2015 21:28:32 GMT
Andy burnham shadow Home Secretary and so the political manoeuvring begins These people refusing to serve corbyn deserve what they get. In life you should be loyal. Loyal to the party they represent and loyal to their democratically elected leader. They don't have to agree but without unity the party goes no where. Voters won't warm to the likes of cooper and hunt with the track record they are beginning The argument is that: 1. Corbyn has never shown loyalty to any previous Labour Party leader he has been an MP under, and; 2. The convention known as Collective Shadow Cabinet Responsibility means that even if you disagree with the policy of the leadership then, if you're in the Shadow Cabinet, you have to vote for it under the Whip. Therefore, if you completely disagree with Corbyn on certain policies you would not serve in his cabinet. I wouldn't serve in a Corbyn Shadow Cabinet because under no circumstances would I ever agree to NATO withdrawal and unilateral nuclear disarmament. |
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Post by salopstick on Sept 13, 2015 21:29:16 GMT
Andy burnham shadow Home Secretary and so the political manoeuvring begins These people refusing to serve corbyn deserve what they get. In life you should be loyal. Loyal to the party they represent and loyal to their democratically elected leader. They don't have to agree but without unity the party goes no where. Voters won't warm to the likes of cooper and hunt with the track record they are beginning Nah, i can see how that works from a conservative perspective as they don't exactly promote democracy for the masses. To me though if an elected member of parliament (who in theory is there to represent the people who voted for them) decides to view an opinion that differs from the parties whip then it is something to be embraced rather than chastised. maybe but when it comes to the next labour leadership contest eligible voters won't dismiss such actions easily |
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Post by kbillyh on Sept 13, 2015 21:32:23 GMT
Mind you having women only trains might just work. Theyd then have double the rolling stock and everyone would get their train See he is looking to bring the racist Diane Abbott into his shadow cabinet, what a surprise B-|maybe he will extend the women only trains to black women only trains and so on to infinitum, you really could not make this up comedy gold buckle up this train ride is going to hilarious. Christ Carps, you really are one massive fucking bore. Diane Abbot this, confidential information that, change the fucking record mate, worse than harry you these days. If you and your attempted bully clique weren't so obviously rattled by Corbyn you wouldn't all be bombarding this thread with your predictions of a doomed Labour party future so much. There is nothing of substance anybody has come up with yet other than repeated spin from the Daily Mail or the Telegraph, it's bordering on the pathetic. |
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 13, 2015 21:35:42 GMT
Mind you having women only trains might just work. Theyd then have double the rolling stock and everyone would get their train See he is looking to bring the racist Diane Abbott into his shadow cabinet, what a surprise B-|maybe he will extend the women only trains to black women only trains and so on to infinitum, you really could not make this up comedy gold buckle up this train ride is going to hilarious. Correct . But according to billy no mates and Co only white people can be racist |
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Post by kbillyh on Sept 13, 2015 21:38:13 GMT
Andy burnham shadow Home Secretary and so the political manoeuvring begins These people refusing to serve corbyn deserve what they get. In life you should be loyal. Loyal to the party they represent and loyal to their democratically elected leader. They don't have to agree but without unity the party goes no where. Voters won't warm to the likes of cooper and hunt with the track record they are beginning The argument is that: 1. Corbyn has never shown loyalty to any previous Labour Party leader he has been an MP under, and; 2. The convention known as Collective Shadow Cabinet Responsibility means that even if you disagree with the policy of the leadership then, if you're in the Shadow Cabinet, you have to vote for it under the Whip. Therefore, if you completely disagree with Corbyn on certain policies you would not serve in his cabinet. I wouldn't serve in a Corbyn Shadow Cabinet because under no circumstances would I ever agree to NATO withdrawal and unilateral nuclear disarmament. Plenty would though Derrida, and i do mean plenty as was proven by the election figures. Perhaps it's time for you to hypothetically sit on the backbenches...........not that any firm decisions have been made regarding NATO or Nuclear disarmament.... Just as a matter of interest, do you have any personal financial interest in the nuclear lobby or arms industry? Just seems like you are very concentrated on this single issue even though nothing is written in stone as yet. |
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Post by kbillyh on Sept 13, 2015 21:40:24 GMT
See he is looking to bring the racist Diane Abbott into his shadow cabinet, what a surprise B-|maybe he will extend the women only trains to black women only trains and so on to infinitum, you really could not make this up comedy gold buckle up this train ride is going to hilarious. Correct . But according to billy no mates and Co only white people can be racist Now where have i ever said that you silly boy. |
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 13, 2015 21:40:38 GMT
Correct . But according to billy no mates and Co only white people can be racist Now where have i ever said that you silly boy. runner  |
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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 13, 2015 21:56:48 GMT
The argument is that: 1. Corbyn has never shown loyalty to any previous Labour Party leader he has been an MP under, and; 2. The convention known as Collective Shadow Cabinet Responsibility means that even if you disagree with the policy of the leadership then, if you're in the Shadow Cabinet, you have to vote for it under the Whip. Therefore, if you completely disagree with Corbyn on certain policies you would not serve in his cabinet. I wouldn't serve in a Corbyn Shadow Cabinet because under no circumstances would I ever agree to NATO withdrawal and unilateral nuclear disarmament. Plenty would though Derrida, and i do mean plenty as was proven by the election figures. Perhaps it's time for you to hypothetically sit on the backbenches...........not that any firm decisions have been made regarding NATO or Nuclear disarmament.... Just as a matter of interest, do you have any personal financial interest in the nuclear lobby or arms industry? Just seems like you are very concentrated on this single issue even though nothing is written in stone as yet. I'm not going to go into what I do for a living as that's in direct contravention of message board rules and rather unfair, if you don't mind me saying so. For many, me included, Labour is an internationalist party that believes in solidarity and multilateralism. As the infamous Labour Party membership card says; ‘by the strength of our common endeavour we achieve more together than we do alone’. This article sums things up nicely - www.progressonline.org.uk/2015/09/09/labour-must-remain-true-to-our-internationalist-values/The only thing I will add is that, with the announcement a few moments ago of John McDonnell as Shadow Chancellor, I would be less inclined to think that people will move to the hypothetical backbenches. More that people will now possibly leave the party. McDonnell as Shadow Chancellor is dynamite. |
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 13, 2015 21:57:20 GMT
See he is looking to bring the racist Diane Abbott into his shadow cabinet, what a surprise B-|maybe he will extend the women only trains to black women only trains and so on to infinitum, you really could not make this up comedy gold buckle up this train ride is going to hilarious. Christ Carps, you really are one massive fucking bore. Diane Abbot this, confidential information that, change the fucking record mate, worse than harry you these days. If you and your attempted bully clique weren't so obviously rattled by Corbyn you wouldn't all be bombarding this thread with your predictions of a doomed Labour party future so much. There is nothing of substance anybody has come up with yet other than repeated spin from the Daily Mail or the Telegraph, it's bordering on the pathetic. Sorry to disappoint you soft lad it has just been on the BBC about the vile racist Abbot, sorry to piss on your chips, bully clique (rofl)you really need to get a life lad, rattled by Corbyn (whistle)do you really believe the garbage you post on this board, the dream ticket Corbyn and Abott the black and white minstrels enjoy the next ten years in the political wilderness the Tory's must be pissing themselves done up by the kippers |
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 13, 2015 21:59:56 GMT
Now where have i ever said that you silly boy. runner  rain man. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 13, 2015 22:21:13 GMT
This McDonnell is absolutely mental. Here's what he had to say about the IRA:
It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.
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Post by desman2 on Sept 13, 2015 22:23:21 GMT
This McDonnell is absolutely mental. Here's what he had to say about the IRA: It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.They really do seem to be suffering from a serious mental illness. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Sept 13, 2015 23:12:26 GMT
This McDonnell is absolutely mental. Here's what he had to say about the IRA: It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.They really do seem to be suffering from a serious mental illness. For further reading he did clarify his comments here: www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/jun/03/northernireland.labour |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 13, 2015 23:24:20 GMT
This McDonnell is absolutely mental. Here's what he had to say about the IRA: It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.There is no question whatsoever that it was bombs & bullets that bought the British Government to the negotiating table. Ask Michael Oatley (MI5 Londonderry Office). And let us not forget that despite the excoriation by the tabloid press of Ken Livingstone for talking to the IRA in the 1980s..the British Government continued talking to the IRA within days of Mountbatten/Warrenpoint. And let us never forget that it was a Labour Government that brought about peace in Northern Ireland and a Conservative one that partitioned Ireland in the first fucking place. |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 13, 2015 23:27:40 GMT
This McDonnell is absolutely mental. Here's what he had to say about the IRA: It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.There is no question whatsoever that it was bombs & bullets that bought the British Government to the negotiating table. Ask Michael Oatley (MI5 Londonderry Office). And let us not forget that despite the excoriation by the tabloid press of Ken Livingstone for talking to the IRA in the 1980s..the British Government continued talking to the IRA within days of Mountbatten/Warrenpoint. And let us never forget that it was a Labour Government that brought about peace in Northern Ireland and a Conservative one that partitioned Ireland in the first fucking place. The only 'mentally ill' people are those that lack the intellectual capacity to differentiate Historical fact from the vapid dross that they read. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 23:28:58 GMT
This McDonnell is absolutely mental. Here's what he had to say about the IRA: It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.Thanks for that snippet MD as I personally wasn't aware of this , but I can't say that I'm not surprised. It is difficult to imagine a worse scenario for any Labour supporter than that what we all now face . It is leaderless , it is extreme and it is discreditable . It's policies are unelectable and its mandate to achieve an election victory totally unachievable . I'm not sure how many will stick around when after the lights are switched off , but judging by the grass root support on here the omens are not good . My comments may come across as condescending but they are not meant to . I am merely reflecting the overall calibre of MPS and their future in politics ... Shambolic . |
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Post by desman2 on Sept 13, 2015 23:35:31 GMT
This McDonnell is absolutely mental. Here's what he had to say about the IRA: It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.Thanks for that snippet MD as I personally wasn't aware of this , but I can't say that I'm not surprised. It is difficult to imagine a worse scenario for any Labour supporter than that what we all now face . It is leaderless , it is extreme and it is discreditable . It's policies are unelectable and its mandate to achieve an election victory totally unachievable . I'm not sure how many will stick around when after the lights are switched off , but judging by the grass root support on here the omens are not good . My comments may come across as condescending but they are not meant to . I am merely reflecting the overall calibre of MPS and their future in politics ... Shambolic . Every day that this current regime is in place its another day longer to get back any credibility and leaving it too long will cause irreperable damage. The damage to Labour started when it became new tory sorry labour and its sunk slowly from there. Slowly at first but now going down pointed end first |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 23:58:52 GMT
Des ...the last Labour government achieved a great deal . Your perception or recollection of it maybe somewhat tainted so I'm not going to enter into a vociferous argument over it .
Google Tony Blairs 50 greatest achievements and it will point you in the right direction .
I don't don't know what's happened to the Labour Party , but I suspect the start of its fall from grace started with Ed Milliband becoming leader . It has been in terminal decline ever since . If that's not bad enough , the forces of evil have colluded to present us with Jeremy Corbyn .
Here's a man who will deliver . He'll deliver everything that was Labour during the 1970s and beyond . He's the original placard dwelling , CND supporting Luvvie , who if allowed would accommodate economic migrants from Gambia without a moments hesitation ...
He doesn't appreciate England's ' Green and pleasant land ' ......he rather visit the local Kurdish community in Islington or the opening of a new Mosque being opened in Hackney by Daine Abbott or Gorgeous George Galloway .
This is 'New Labour ' ....Gay pride ..CND ..Mass Immigration ...Ban the Bomb ....Love thy neighbour ....We are all the same ....Would you like to borrow my bike ?
Crap and Bollocks .
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