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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 12, 2015 8:28:05 GMT
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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 12, 2015 9:17:30 GMT
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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 12, 2015 9:38:21 GMT
What Corbyn is attempting to do to democratise the Labour Party is admirable. Also I hope he can maintain his Bennite stance of 'issues not personalities' I believe that he will make a genuine attempt to bring others with him, compromising some of his "policies" ( even anti-austerity and NATO membership ) in the short term in order to be effective, and try to promote some sort of unity/collective responsibility and play the long game.In this respect he is an astute 'politician' Unfortunately his image, and past record , when not expecting to be party leader, and the establishment/media will make his electability difficult, with the caveat that we are entering a couple of years of turbulence politically. I believe that he hss the worst record for rebellion against the whip, so I guess he is on dodgy ground when expecting loyalty. It will be interesting to see where he tries to take the party on the EU issue. ......................... Extract from the link below ; "He is also planning to change the way the party makes policy, using the internet and social media to hold bottom-up policy consultations. The era is over, he said, “when you elect some all-knowing all-seeing celebrity who sends it down the food chain”. Jeremy Corbyn: it’s time for a new kind of politics gu.com/p/4cb35?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_ColorNoteI think if he becomes leader, we will begin to get the voice of what ordinary people of the UK want, rather than what the papers tell them what they should want. It will surprise political parties and many other people. For example, he's considered left but wants out of the EU. There are at least 16 million who didn't vote and around another 11 million who didn't even register. That's a massive amount of people to tap into with a different set of ideas, considering the Tories won with 11 million votes. Registered non-voters on their own would have wiped the floor with Tories in the last election. Amongst the young, who make up much of the non-voting, I believe Corbyn would storm it. Any party that can retain its vote but draw just a small proportion of non voting or non registered will be onto something. Labour were only 2 million votes behind the Tories last time. Tiny amount when you consider the votes available. Depends if labour supporters will stay with the party despite disagreeing with some policies but does anyone fully support a party's policies? The unpalatable ones are inflicted on the population once a government gets in power, like the tories selling off the royal mail, with no mention anywhere before... Whatever, people are sick of the same old shit and that is what following the newspapers has brought us. Corbyn has run a grass roots campaign and has been slated by the media. Despite this, he has held nearly a hundred rallies where there hasn't been enough space for people wanting to attend. Someone tell me how often that happened during the general election campaigns? Many people are sick of the media and being told what to do. Distrust in all of these forms of establishment must be at all time high. I'd broadly agree with most of what you've said. Corbyn's Achilles Heel seems, to me, to be foreign policy. Even if, like me, pro-Europeans inside the party can stomach Corbyn's position on withdrawal from EU given that it will be a referendum anyway, pulling out if NATO and unilateral disarmament is a tough one to swallow. If Mr Corbyn wins the Labour Leadership election then that's one issue I'll definitely be at odds with him on. He's inspired many. We just need to see which way this goes now. |
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Post by adri2008 on Sept 12, 2015 10:08:36 GMT
I quite like Corbyn - he's a straight talker and has principles but he has far too many skeletons in his closet.
They'll all be rolled out near the next election and he'll be painted a terrorist sympathiser. Some of it will stick too, particularly with the risk adverse.
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Post by starkiller on Sept 12, 2015 10:10:07 GMT
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Post by starkiller on Sept 12, 2015 10:30:23 GMT
Tom Watson - deputy leader.
Parliamentry paedos better watch out.
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Post by kbillyh on Sept 12, 2015 10:49:01 GMT
Corbyn wins.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 10:51:20 GMT
.......fuck all.
The end .
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Sept 12, 2015 10:54:44 GMT
The start of differential politics, I hope.
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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 12, 2015 10:55:13 GMT
Now comes the internal debate over policy direction and the formation of a new shadow cabinet. Time to consolidate and get behind our leader. He'll be needing Tom Watson. Well done to all the Labour Party candidates involved and special congratulations to Jeremy Corbyn. We move on into a new political era. |
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 12, 2015 10:55:35 GMT
 time to celebrate the death of the Labour party, all those new members  will be partying in Conservative grand central tonight, must dig out my old donkey jacket as a mark of respect to Jezza.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 10:57:44 GMT
The start of differential politics, I hope. The difference being that one will be in government and the other wont . |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 10:58:35 GMT
Anyone got a pipe , flat cap and bike I can borrow ?
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Post by kbillyh on Sept 12, 2015 10:59:03 GMT
Hahahahaha,
I mean Mumf, you were Labour through and through before this weren't you, must be gutted mate.
Ukipers in meltdown
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 12, 2015 11:04:44 GMT
Now comes the internal debate over policy direction and the formation of a new shadow cabinet. Time to consolidate and get behind our leader. He'll be needing Tom Watson. Well done to all the Labour Party candidates involved and special congratulations to Jeremy Corbyn. We move on into a new political era. Of Tory domination. Congrats to Corbyn of course. It's an epic win. But also tragic. You don't achieve much from the opposition benches. |
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 12, 2015 11:10:18 GMT
Anyone got a pipe , flat cap and bike I can borrow ? Up the loft after lunch, my old NCB donkey jacket is still up there somewhere and I am pretty sure I still have my 70's flat cap, a nostalgic trip down memory lane at least, Corbyn would have been the perfect leader in the 70's problem is it is 2015  . |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 11:10:52 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 12, 2015 11:18:46 GMT
C'mon - get with the moment.  |
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Post by kbillyh on Sept 12, 2015 11:25:36 GMT
One thing that can definitely be said about Corbyn is that he's summoned up the ability for dickheads everywhere to predict the future.... |
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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 12, 2015 11:28:06 GMT
Now comes the internal debate over policy direction and the formation of a new shadow cabinet. Time to consolidate and get behind our leader. He'll be needing Tom Watson. Well done to all the Labour Party candidates involved and special congratulations to Jeremy Corbyn. We move on into a new political era. Of Tory domination. Congrats to Corbyn of course. It's an epic win. But also tragic. You don't achieve much from the opposition benches. It is an epic victory. I never thought Mr Corbyn would receive almost 60% of the vote. He's won a mandate from all sections of the Labour Party which, in fairness, I never thought he could do. This is a huge opportunity for a party with over 500,000 members to build something. Policies need to be formulated first which, in all honesty, is why the choosing of Mr Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet is so vitally important. Keep your eyes peeled on the Shadow Chancellor. If John McDonnell gets it I foresee internal trouble. Early days though. It's worth considering that true and honest Labour Party members don't throw away their membership cards on the election of a leader. Only those who pose as members do that. |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Sept 12, 2015 11:29:00 GMT
He might not win an election but in the long run he might achieve more in opposition than some of the others would have achieved in power.
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 12, 2015 11:30:58 GMT
He might not win an election but in the long run he might achieve more in opposition than some of the others would have achieved in power. He'd be the first to do that! |
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Post by Nick1984 on Sept 12, 2015 11:40:16 GMT
Well done Labour, we now have a decade of Cameron to look forward to.
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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 12, 2015 11:40:38 GMT
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Post by kbillyh on Sept 12, 2015 11:46:52 GMT
Well done Labour, we now have a decade of Cameron to look forward to. Because if any of the others had won it would be completely different wouldn't it.  See my previous post.......you fit the bill nicely.  |
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Post by Nick1984 on Sept 12, 2015 11:52:13 GMT
Wow, this chump even comes complete with a Vladimir Lenin hat.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 11:53:54 GMT
Anyone think labour are playing crafty......to draw back Scottish voters etc
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Post by kbillyh on Sept 12, 2015 11:56:45 GMT
Wow, this chump even comes complete with a Vladimir Lenin hat. Shit what have we done! He even has a grey beard!! This countries fucked now, that's for sure.  |
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Post by Nick1984 on Sept 12, 2015 11:59:52 GMT
Wow, this chump even comes complete with a Vladimir Lenin hat. Shit what have we done! He even has a grey beard!! This countries fucked now, that's for sure. Labour have learned nothing, they've traded Red Ed for Commie Corbyn. The Tories can do what they want now, Cameron will have free reign to do what he likes for the next decade. |
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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 12, 2015 12:02:55 GMT
Anyone think labour are playing crafty......to draw back Scottish voters etc Quite possibly. It's difficult to say until we see his Shadow Cabinet and actual polices starting next week. Scottish Labour do have a different leader but as they're essentially part of the same party Corbyn could potentially draw back some Scottish voters. Especially given how Scotland by-and-large voted against austerity during the last election. It'll be interesting over the next few months to see how Corbyn's policies manifest themselves. I would add the caveat that the election of the man himself means nothing until it's translated into policies determining what he plans to do. |
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time to celebrate the death of the Labour party, all those new members 
will be partying in Conservative grand central tonight, must dig out my old donkey jacket as a mark of respect to Jezza.
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