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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 7, 2015 20:28:20 GMT
Whatever happens Labour won't win in 2020. Whoever the leader is. To win the seats back in Scotland and upcoming boundary changes as well it will be too hard for anyone to make up that ground. It could be 100 seats to win back and that just isn't going to happen. So if Corbyn becomes leader don't thin k the 2020 defat is because just because of that. Labour won't win and that's regardless of leader is. I'd agree with your sentiment. Part of me thinks that the reason Chuka Umuna withdrew from the leadership election this time around is that he (along with most Labour Party observers) understands Labour won't be ready for government in 2020. To be honest Labour weren't anywhere near ready in May this year. Labour need a revisionist strategy that doesn't involve silly foreign policy ideas. Labour also need to listen and learn from the Crudass Report into why Labour lost the last general election. The report says that the majority of the public (despite what the left of the Labour Party thinktanks keep suggesting) have accepted that some form of cuts are needed. That's a given now. It's not the "what" it's the "where" the cuts are applied. The moment Labour learn that and become progressive again the better Labour will do electorally. Some of us party members don't want to be a pressure group. You change things by being in government. |
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 7, 2015 21:03:07 GMT
You may not like it flower petal .....But it's all true . Ask them if you wish . Love Mumf I'm really not arsed that you've got a different opinion to me however you present your views in such a pretentious, condescending way that you just come across as an absolute twat. Two staunch right wingers in Stokeharry and Carpslayer continually liking your posts speaks volumes and your continual homophobic slurs are right in line with a lot of your other pre-historic rambling nonsense you post. I see that the other staunch left winger Huddysleft is continually liking your posts  , talking of pre historic are you voting for Corbyn 8-|like lemmings straight over the Cliff edge into oblivion enjoy your trip, PS. can you take Billy no mates with you duck. |
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 7, 2015 21:09:03 GMT
Is that a fact  is this part of the confidential information you claim to have on other posters ?, or is it simply more of your made up feckin bullshit Sir. What time is your plane leaving? Next year Sir be patient will you, as soon as I have a firm date I will be sure to inform you, I know how much you will miss me  now let's talk about that confidential information you claim to have on other posters, come on man up if possible or was it complete bullshit again. |
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Post by desman2 on Sept 7, 2015 21:12:31 GMT
While, I don,t subscribe to the ideology of Corbyn, we do need politicians like him, both left and right to drive the wedge between the two that occupy the same ground. Whatever you think of him, or Farage for that matter, UK politics has been crying out for this type of approach. I think with Corbyn and Farage you have two who I believe will stick to what they promote, unlike the bunch of liars and cowards who infest politics now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2015 21:35:37 GMT
While, I don,t subscribe to the ideology of Corbyn, we do need politicians like him, both left and right to drive the wedge between the two that occupy the same ground. Whatever you think of him, or Farage for that matter, UK politics has been crying out for this type of approach. I think with Corbyn and Farage you have two who I believe will stick to what they promote, unlike the bunch of liars and cowards who infest politics now. In principle I agree , however in what specific area or impact is Corbyns far left ideology going to benefit Britains politics ? It's easy to make the case for honesty and integrity , but if that ideology is harmful or damaging to the country , then it begs the question as to what benefit his principles are likely to have ? Unless the man is making a clear and effective positive change to our way of life, then one has to beg the question is he worth the effort.? Are his thoughts simply too far over to the left to be given any credence . From what I've seen and heard so far the answer is clearly NO... |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 7, 2015 21:39:18 GMT
As Len said on Panorama tonight.  You thieving Tory Bastard! |
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 7, 2015 21:40:09 GMT
While, I don,t subscribe to the ideology of Corbyn, we do need politicians like him, both left and right to drive the wedge between the two that occupy the same ground. Whatever you think of him, or Farage for that matter, UK politics has been crying out for this type of approach. I think with Corbyn and Farage you have two who I believe will stick to what they promote, unlike the bunch of liars and cowards who infest politics now. In principle I agree , however in what specific area or impact is Corbyns far left ideology going to benefit Britains politics ? It's easy to make the case for honesty and integrity , but if that ideology is harmful or damaging to the country , then it begs the question as to what benefit his principles are likely to have ? Unless the man is making a clear and effective positive change to our way of life, then one has to beg the question is he worth the effort.? Are his thoughts simply too far over to the left to be given any credence . From what I've seen and heard so far the answer is clearly NO... He appeals to lefty tree hugger types and that's about it . The common working man is much more likely to vote for Mr Farage than the likes of Corbyn and his Labour traitors |
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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 7, 2015 21:46:14 GMT
While, I don,t subscribe to the ideology of Corbyn, we do need politicians like him, both left and right to drive the wedge between the two that occupy the same ground. Whatever you think of him, or Farage for that matter, UK politics has been crying out for this type of approach. I think with Corbyn and Farage you haven't e two who I believe will stick to what they promote, unlike the bunch of liars and cowards who infest politics now. I can understand how offering a perceived "radical" alternative to what is essentially a socio-economic status quo is attractive to some people. I can also certainly appreciate how the constant throws of "austerity and cuts" from political officianados is, to put no fine a point on it, boring to an increasingly weary electorate who are fast becoming disillusioned with British politics. The problem is that such radical alternatives are precisely just that; radical. One has to go to great lengths in order to justify the legitimacy of, for example, Mr Corbyn's foreign policy. One has to go equally as far in order to justify Mr Farage's hypocritical stance on the EU freedom of movement. They're great sound bites but sound bites don't make for good policy. British politics needs refreshing and people like Corbyn and Farage do throw radical ideas and attitudes into the political mix. Such a cocktail, so the argument goes, forces the political establishment to second guess itself. Labour is currently having to completely rethink its political direction. It won't take the Tories long until the EU referendum debate kicks in and Farage does to them what Corbyn has done to Labour. At least that's the general idea. |
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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 7, 2015 22:47:23 GMT
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Post by desman2 on Sept 7, 2015 23:21:01 GMT
While, I don,t subscribe to the ideology of Corbyn, we do need politicians like him, both left and right to drive the wedge between the two that occupy the same ground. Whatever you think of him, or Farage for that matter, UK politics has been crying out for this type of approach. I think with Corbyn and Farage you haven't e two who I believe will stick to what they promote, unlike the bunch of liars and cowards who infest politics now. I can understand how offering a perceived "radical" alternative to what is essentially a socio-economic status quo is attractive to some people. I can also certainly appreciate how the constant throws of "austerity and cuts" from political officianados is, to put no fine a point on it, boring to an increasingly weary electorate who are fast becoming disillusioned with British politics. The problem is that such radical alternatives are precisely just that; radical. One has to go to great lengths in order to justify the legitimacy of, for example, Mr Corbyn's foreign policy. One has to go equally as far in order to justify Mr Farage's hypocritical stance on the EU freedom of movement. They're great sound bites but sound bites don't make for good policy. British politics needs refreshing and people like Corbyn and Farage do throw radical ideas and attitudes into the political mix. Such a cocktail, so the argument goes, forces the political establishment to second guess itself. Labour is currently having to completely rethink its political direction. It won't take the Tories long until the EU referendum debate kicks in and Farage does to them what Corbyn has done to Labour. At least that's the general idea. Thats a very fair assessment |
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Post by salopstick on Sept 8, 2015 10:44:02 GMT
The lunacy continues.
Let tax payers opt out of funding the army
RIP THE LABOUR PARTY
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 8, 2015 11:11:26 GMT
The lunacy continues. Let tax payers opt out of funding the army RIP THE LABOUR PARTY In that case and by them standards I'll opt out of funding the NHS. I'm with bupa anyway so why should I pay twice . I'd say RIP but I don't want them to have any peace so instead ill say FUCK OFF labour  The government spends millions of pounds of MY money on things that I don't agree with but there is fuck all I can do about it .. that's democracy |
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 8, 2015 11:18:15 GMT
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Post by desman2 on Sept 8, 2015 11:23:38 GMT
Its comedy gold alright but the frightening thing is, their are a large number of people who will vote this guy in as leader. |
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Sept 8, 2015 11:24:11 GMT
I hope he's moved on from that statement he made 16 years ago.
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 8, 2015 11:28:24 GMT
Its comedy gold alright but the frightening thing is, their are a large number of people who will vote this guy in as leader. I hope he does get voted in as leader mate because that will spell the end for Labour which is a good thing . The looney left love digging up dirt on common sense party's like UKIP but they don't like it when you point out the fact that there own lot are even worse His IRA connections , his Marxist mindset , his terrorist "mates" etc all show him and his kind up for exactly what they are and that is enemy's of the state and enemy's of the ordinary British people . Mr Farage all the way |
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Post by Gods on Sept 8, 2015 11:36:42 GMT
I still don't think Corbyn will get elected as Labour leader, people will give their heads a wobble and the alternative vote will do for him right at the death.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 8, 2015 18:58:14 GMT
I'm really not arsed that you've got a different opinion to me however you present your views in such a pretentious, condescending way that you just come across as an absolute twat. Two staunch right wingers in Stokeharry and Carpslayer continually liking your posts speaks volumes and your continual homophobic slurs are right in line with a lot of your other pre-historic rambling nonsense you post. I see that the other staunch left winger Huddysleft is continually liking your posts , talking of pre historic are you voting for Corbyn 8-|like lemmings straight over the Cliff edge into oblivion enjoy your trip, PS. can you take Billy no mates with you duck. Why should you give a toss? You're leaving aren't you Mr British and Proud?  |
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 8, 2015 19:33:07 GMT
I see that the other staunch left winger Huddysleft is continually liking your posts , talking of pre historic are you voting for Corbyn 8-|like lemmings straight over the Cliff edge into oblivion enjoy your trip, PS. can you take Billy no mates with you duck. Why should you give a toss? You're leaving aren't you Mr British and Proud? Yes I am leaving Allah and don't call me British, let's have it right Sir English and Proud of my heritage I suppose that's why I still give a toss, hope your hero Corbyn gets the gig as Labour leader by the way even more opportunities to take the piss out of you and your erm mates, I will keep an eye out on this board whilst basking by my pool. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 8, 2015 19:35:09 GMT
Why should you give a toss? You're leaving aren't you Mr British and Proud? Yes I am leaving Allah and don't call me British, let's have it right Sir English and Proud of my heritage I suppose that's why I still give a toss, hope your hero Corbyn gets the gig as Labour leader by the way even more opportunities to take the piss out of you and your erm mates, I will keep an eye out on this board whilst basking by my pool. Ahhh ENGLISH are you? I'm sure us lefties can have a whip round and get you on that plane earlier...like tonight?  |
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 8, 2015 19:46:00 GMT
Yes I am leaving Allah and don't call me British, let's have it right Sir English and Proud of my heritage I suppose that's why I still give a toss, hope your hero Corbyn gets the gig as Labour leader by the way even more opportunities to take the piss out of you and your erm mates, I will keep an eye out on this board whilst basking by my pool. Ahhh ENGLISH are you? I'm sure us lefties can have a whip round and get you on that plane earlier...like tonight? Yep born in England to English parents with English Grand parents and so on  so yes English is that easy enough for you , you lefties would not have enough money spare out of your benefits to pay my bar bill, if I am mistaken all donations gratefully accepted even from you, £200,000 would pay for my new accommodation. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 8, 2015 21:48:01 GMT
Ahhh ENGLISH are you? I'm sure us lefties can have a whip round and get you on that plane earlier...like tonight? Yep born in England to English parents with English Grand parents and so on so yes English is that easy enough for you , you lefties would not have enough money spare out of your benefits to pay my bar bill, if I am mistaken all donations gratefully accepted even from you, £200,000 would pay for my new accommodation. There's no more mongrel race than the English you know. A right mix we all are? Or are you pure anglo-saxon? |
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Sept 8, 2015 21:55:04 GMT
Yep born in England to English parents with English Grand parents and so on so yes English is that easy enough for you , you lefties would not have enough money spare out of your benefits to pay my bar bill, if I am mistaken all donations gratefully accepted even from you, £200,000 would pay for my new accommodation. There's no more mongrel race than the English you know. A right mix we all are? Or are you pure anglo-saxon? I'm sure that some people can trace their family tree, back to when the emerged from their cave. |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 8, 2015 21:59:03 GMT
My family emerged from Thors Cave in Manifold Valley last weekend mate ;-)
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 8, 2015 21:59:37 GMT
Yep born in England to English parents with English Grand parents and so on so yes English is that easy enough for you , you lefties would not have enough money spare out of your benefits to pay my bar bill, if I am mistaken all donations gratefully accepted even from you, £200,000 would pay for my new accommodation. There's no more mongrel race than the English you know. A right mix we all are? Or are you pure anglo-saxon? Sorry do not deal in mongrels, good pedigree English bloodline now lets talk about these donations from the work shy lefties you mentioned PM me with your bank details etc. only to pleased to take your money off you I will think about you when I am in Pythons bar sinking a freezing cold SMG I promise well maybe not. |
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 8, 2015 22:02:38 GMT
There's no more mongrel race than the English you know. A right mix we all are? Or are you pure anglo-saxon? I'm sure that some people can trace their family tree, back to when the emerged from their cave. People with a decent heritage can trace their origins back easily now, not sure about caves though duck unless you originate from Scotland of course  . |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 22:38:16 GMT
There's no more mongrel race than the English you know. A right mix we all are? Or are you pure anglo-saxon? I'm sure that some people can trace their family tree, back to when the emerged from their cave. No ....unless of course you happen to be one of the Taliban fighters that originate from the foothills of Afghanistan or Pakistan . I know that many however have penetrated parts of this city , so in hindsight my comments may be premature . You don't even have to be a fighter though ....you may simply be a sympathiser .  It's a matter of pride though , is it not ? Taliban cave or Anglo Saxon in Manifold Valley ? You decide . |
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 8, 2015 22:56:17 GMT
I'm sure that some people can trace their family tree, back to when the emerged from their cave. No ....unless of course you happen to be one of the Taliban fighters that originate from the foothills of Afghanistan or Pakistan . I know that many however have penetrated parts of this city , so in hindsight my comments may be premature . You don't even have to be a fighter though ....you may simply be a sympathiser . It's a matter of pride though , is it not ? Taliban cave or Anglo Saxon in Manifold Valley ? You decide . Plenty of sympathisers all around us mate . Filthy bastards |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 23:16:06 GMT
I'm not implying anything .
I'm saying that it is easier to trace your family tree back to your cave if you were born in one ....ie The Taliban
It's far more difficult if you were born or lived in the Manifold valley as records don't go back that far .....
Simple mild mannered humour with no malicious intent .
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 8, 2015 23:33:06 GMT
I like what Corbyn is doing for Labour.
And I'd never knock what the Phoenicians did for us.
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, talking of pre historic are you voting for Corbyn 8-|like lemmings straight over the Cliff edge into oblivion enjoy your trip, PS. can you take Billy no mates with you duck.
is this part of the confidential information you claim to have on other posters ?, or is it simply more of your made up feckin bullshit Sir.
now let's talk about that confidential information you claim to have on other posters, come on man up if possible or was it complete bullshit again.
so yes English is that easy enough for you 
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