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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 14, 2015 17:21:20 GMT
"Under the cover of the pernicious austerity agenda our society is being disfigured. People are being punished for a crisis they did not cause. The Conservatives’ obsession with tax cuts and subsidies for the richest has been coupled with chronic underinvestment and the systematic running down of our public services and infrastructure. ...Austerity is a political choice, not an economic necessity. A fairer future is possible. We can enthuse people with a coherent, fairer vision. To do this we must embrace innovation, investing to fund decent jobs in decent public services and cutting-edge infrastructure. A national investment bank can help to create new jobs, stimulating strong and sustainable economic growth, reducing the deficit fairly." - Jeremy Corbyn www.theguardian.com/…/2015/aug/14/labour-leadership-… |
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 14, 2015 18:59:17 GMT
"Under the cover of the pernicious austerity agenda our society is being disfigured. People are being punished for a crisis they did not cause. The Conservatives’ obsession with tax cuts and subsidies for the richest has been coupled with chronic underinvestment and the systematic running down of our public services and infrastructure. ...Austerity is a political choice, not an economic necessity. A fairer future is possible. We can enthuse people with a coherent, fairer vision. To do this we must embrace innovation, investing to fund decent jobs in decent public services and cutting-edge infrastructure. A national investment bank can help to create new jobs, stimulating strong and sustainable economic growth, reducing the deficit fairly." - Jeremy Corbyn www.theguardian.com/…/2015/aug/14/labour-leadership-…It's this delude baloney that will ensure he will never be elected PM . Labour left winger telling us there is no need to live within our means |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 19:08:29 GMT
"Under the cover of the pernicious austerity agenda our society is being disfigured. People are being punished for a crisis they did not cause. The Conservatives’ obsession with tax cuts and subsidies for the richest has been coupled with chronic underinvestment and the systematic running down of our public services and infrastructure. ...Austerity is a political choice, not an economic necessity. A fairer future is possible. We can enthuse people with a coherent, fairer vision. To do this we must embrace innovation, investing to fund decent jobs in decent public services and cutting-edge infrastructure. A national investment bank can help to create new jobs, stimulating strong and sustainable economic growth, reducing the deficit fairly." - Jeremy Corbyn www.theguardian.com/…/2015/aug/14/labour-leadership-…It's this delude baloney that will ensure he will never be elected PM . Labour left winger telling us there is no need to live within our means It's a pity that Huddy only does one sentence replies because he could have explained it to us ...... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 19:11:22 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 14, 2015 19:12:39 GMT
"Under the cover of the pernicious austerity agenda our society is being disfigured. People are being punished for a crisis they did not cause. The Conservatives’ obsession with tax cuts and subsidies for the richest has been coupled with chronic underinvestment and the systematic running down of our public services and infrastructure. ...Austerity is a political choice, not an economic necessity. A fairer future is possible. We can enthuse people with a coherent, fairer vision. To do this we must embrace innovation, investing to fund decent jobs in decent public services and cutting-edge infrastructure. A national investment bank can help to create new jobs, stimulating strong and sustainable economic growth, reducing the deficit fairly." - Jeremy Corbyn www.theguardian.com/…/2015/aug/14/labour-leadership-…It's this delude baloney that will ensure he will never be elected PM . Labour left winger telling us there is no need to live within our means Where's he saying that exactly? |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 14, 2015 19:15:00 GMT
It's this delude baloney that will ensure he will never be elected PM . Labour left winger telling us there is no need to live within our means It's a pity that Huddy only does one sentence replies because he could have explained it to us ...... It's pretty clear what he's saying and at no point does he mention borrowing more does he? I await a reasoned response from you, that would be a refreshing change, or are you sticking to insult and name calling as per? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 19:17:28 GMT
It's a pity that Huddy only does one sentence replies because he could have explained it to us ...... It's pretty clear what he's saying and at no point does he mention borrowing more does he? I await a reasoned response from you, that would be a refreshing change, or are you sticking to insult and name calling as per? He's telling us bugger all , so you need to explain it , because I can't . He's your man after all . |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 14, 2015 19:20:46 GMT
It's pretty clear what he's saying and at no point does he mention borrowing more does he? I await a reasoned response from you, that would be a refreshing change, or are you sticking to insult and name calling as per? He's telling us bugger all , so you need to explain it , because I can't . He's your man after all . Glad you're at last admitting you don't know what you're on about. Must be why you resort to name calling and abuse eh? I can't be arsed to discuss with you as you have no intention of debating. www.fabians.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Leading-Labour-the-Fabian-essays-Aug-15.pdfJust for you I've posted a link to all 4 candidates final responses. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 19:27:22 GMT
He's telling us bugger all , so you need to explain it , because I can't . He's your man after all . Glad you're at last admitting you don't know what you're on about. Must be why you resort to name calling and abuse eh? I can't be arsed to discuss with you as you have no intention of debating. www.fabians.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Leading-Labour-the-Fabian-essays-Aug-15.pdfJust for you I've posted a link to all 4 candidates final responses. I'm saying that he doesn't know what he's saying and neither do you . So how the fuck can I respond to utter non sensical shit like that . So ....just for the record , can you translate it for me and Harry ...? |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 14, 2015 19:44:18 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 14, 2015 20:05:56 GMT
If Corbyn wasn't electable, his opponents wouldn't need to band together to smear and denigrate him. The reality is that there is huge discontentment with the whole political and economic establishment in Britain. The general public do actually realise bankers are overpaid, landlords charge too much rent and that the utilities are run by greedy crooks. After years of rhetoric they can see through all the touchy hopey aspirational stuff. The Blairite narrative doesn't wash. They want a coherent critique and a clear set of policies to improve their living standards. Offer hope and the economic policies to deliver improved living standards and we'll win. That's the simple secret of Jeremy's success.
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 14, 2015 20:30:15 GMT
The Guardian  They would say that |
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 14, 2015 20:42:06 GMT
Just heard Corbyn had a standing ovation at Glasgow tonight and is polling high up there.
Who'd have thought that a Labour MP would experience that again. Corbyn reuniting the Union?
Certainly looking like all that unelectable nonsense was made up spin from the right. Keep repeating it over and over in the hope that it becomes true stylee.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 14, 2015 20:43:32 GMT
The Guardian They would say that Jeremy Corbyn is more popular than the other Labour leadership candidates with the wider electorate and fares particularly well with Ukip supporters as well as those from his own party, a Survation poll suggests. The survey of 1,000 people found that Corbyn scored the highest when they were asked about his personal qualities and which candidate would be the best at holding the government to account as the leader of the opposition. Among Ukip voters, 39% of them liked him the most, higher than the 38% of Labour voters who said so. But just 22% of Conservatives liked Corbyn, compared with 25% who preferred Andy Burnham. Does that help you at all? |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 14, 2015 20:44:21 GMT
Just heard Corbyn had a standing ovation at Glasgow tonight and is polling high up there. Who'd have thought that a Labour MP would experience that again. Corbyn reuniting the Union? Certainly looking like all that unelectable nonsense was made up spin from the right. Keep repeating it over and over in the hope that it becomes true stylee. Like Mumf and Harry do, you mean?  |
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 14, 2015 20:45:23 GMT
If Corbyn wasn't electable, his opponents wouldn't need to band together to smear and denigrate him. The reality is that there is huge discontentment with the whole political and economic establishment in Britain. The general public do actually realise bankers are overpaid, landlords charge too much rent and that the utilities are run by greedy crooks. After years of rhetoric they can see through all the touchy hopey aspirational stuff. The Blairite narrative doesn't wash. They want a coherent critique and a clear set of policies to improve their living standards. Offer hope and the economic policies to deliver improved living standards and we'll win. That's the simple secret of Jeremy's success. Why then Huddy is there so much anger directed to him from his competitors in the election race? You can't blame forces outside Labour for the anti-Cornbyn narrative. That is coming from inside the Labour Party. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 14, 2015 20:47:44 GMT
If Corbyn wasn't electable, his opponents wouldn't need to band together to smear and denigrate him. The reality is that there is huge discontentment with the whole political and economic establishment in Britain. The general public do actually realise bankers are overpaid, landlords charge too much rent and that the utilities are run by greedy crooks. After years of rhetoric they can see through all the touchy hopey aspirational stuff. The Blairite narrative doesn't wash. They want a coherent critique and a clear set of policies to improve their living standards. Offer hope and the economic policies to deliver improved living standards and we'll win. That's the simple secret of Jeremy's success. Why then Huddy is there so much anger directed to him from his competitors in the election race? You can't blame forces outside Labour for the anti-Cornbyn narrative. That is coming from inside the Labour Party. Because he's the only one speaking with clarity, honesty and truth, I would guess. |
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 14, 2015 20:59:12 GMT
The Guardian They would say that Jeremy Corbyn is more popular than the other Labour leadership candidates with the wider electorate and fares particularly well with Ukip supporters as well as those from his own party, a Survation poll suggests. The survey of 1,000 people found that Corbyn scored the highest when they were asked about his personal qualities and which candidate would be the best at holding the government to account as the leader of the opposition. Among Ukip voters, 39% of them liked him the most, higher than the 38% of Labour voters who said so. But just 22% of Conservatives liked Corbyn, compared with 25% who preferred Andy Burnham. Does that help you at all? You were doing well but let yourself down with your last sentence . It's like you can't help yourself . Funny how everything the Guardian says you expect everyone to accept it but we are meant to take everything the DM say with a pinch of salt . As a proud UKIP'er I'd say the exact opposite |
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 14, 2015 21:03:33 GMT
Why then Huddy is there so much anger directed to him from his competitors in the election race? You can't blame forces outside Labour for the anti-Cornbyn narrative. That is coming from inside the Labour Party. Because he's the only one speaking with clarity, honesty and truth, I would guess. But without the conviction to back his own beliefs  , are you for real! he is different I will give you that, perfect for the 1980's pity it is 2015 proper left wing throw back he will be elected due to the number of erm............. recent new members eligible to vote, oh dear follow the red brick road to extinction hope he makes the delectable Miss Abbott his deputy now that would be the cherry on top. |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Aug 14, 2015 21:04:16 GMT
Only two budget surpluses in the last thirty years implies theres an awful lot of hysteria about someone honestly proposing a bit of spending - surely better than a deficit through tax cuts?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 14, 2015 21:06:28 GMT
Because he's the only one speaking with clarity, honesty and truth, I would guess. But without the conviction to back his own beliefs , are you for real! he is different I will give you that, perfect for the 1980's pity it is 2015 proper left wing throw back he will be elected due to the number of erm............. recent new members eligible to vote, oh dear follow the red brick road to extinction hope he makes the delectable Miss Abbott his deputy now that would be the cherry on top. As usual your lack of understanding shines through here. |
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 14, 2015 21:09:26 GMT
"Under the cover of the pernicious austerity agenda our society is being disfigured. People are being punished for a crisis they did not cause. The Conservatives’ obsession with tax cuts and subsidies for the richest has been coupled with chronic underinvestment and the systematic running down of our public services and infrastructure. ...Austerity is a political choice, not an economic necessity. A fairer future is possible. We can enthuse people with a coherent, fairer vision. To do this we must embrace innovation, investing to fund decent jobs in decent public services and cutting-edge infrastructure. A national investment bank can help to create new jobs, stimulating strong and sustainable economic growth, reducing the deficit fairly." - Jeremy Corbyn www.theguardian.com/…/2015/aug/14/labour-leadership-…It's this delude baloney that will ensure he will never be elected PM . Labour left winger telling us there is no need to live within our means Maybe he should move to Greece as the next prospective PM, sounds a perfect fit carry on spending we can print more money or beg it off some other daft cunt. |
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Post by robstokie on Aug 14, 2015 21:09:43 GMT
"Under the cover of the pernicious austerity agenda our society is being disfigured. People are being punished for a crisis they did not cause. The Conservatives’ obsession with tax cuts and subsidies for the richest has been coupled with chronic underinvestment and the systematic running down of our public services and infrastructure. ...Austerity is a political choice, not an economic necessity. A fairer future is possible. We can enthuse people with a coherent, fairer vision. To do this we must embrace innovation, investing to fund decent jobs in decent public services and cutting-edge infrastructure. A national investment bank can help to create new jobs, stimulating strong and sustainable economic growth, reducing the deficit fairly." - Jeremy Corbyn www.theguardian.com/…/2015/aug/14/labour-leadership-…Its what he DOESNT say what is worrying. How would he negate the deficit, if at all. To create this political utopia, he would have to spend stupid money to set it up and enforce it, meaning he would have to borrow more on top of what is already owed, thus plunging the country into further debt whilst simultaeneously inhibiting business activity, which will create a knock-on effect of job losses and further welfare dependency, meaning more borrowing to support those out of work. It is a vicious circle of spending to fuck the country up, then spending even more to sink it even further. Its all academic though, he will never get elected as his views are out of date and out of touch with 99% of the electorate. The truth is, most people don't give two fucks about social justice and a 'fairer' society, people just want to get money in their pocket, food on the table and a better standard of living, and IF the Labour party want to get back into power, they need to out-gun the tories on matters such as business, education and immigration, whilst relating to 'common' folk. Under Corbyn, they are just going to drift further to the intellectual hard-left, freezing out core voters who want action, not theoretical babbling about fairness, equality and Justice. |
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 14, 2015 21:14:17 GMT
But without the conviction to back his own beliefs , are you for real! he is different I will give you that, perfect for the 1980's pity it is 2015 proper left wing throw back he will be elected due to the number of erm............. recent new members eligible to vote, oh dear follow the red brick road to extinction hope he makes the delectable Miss Abbott his deputy now that would be the cherry on top. As usual your lack of understanding shines through here. Really let's see if he makes PM proof of the pudding and all that, by the way while I have your attention again are you ready to spill the beans on your source of your claim about confidential information on other posters on this board or are you a liar, come on man up put up or shut up. |
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 14, 2015 21:19:44 GMT
Why then Huddy is there so much anger directed to him from his competitors in the election race? You can't blame forces outside Labour for the anti-Cornbyn narrative. That is coming from inside the Labour Party. Because he's the only one speaking with clarity, honesty and truth, I would guess. I don't think that quote you provided earlier provides much clarity. Read much to me like the shallow political waffle all politicians come out with. Sound bite words, blah, blah, blah... I'm becoming less and less convinced he's any different from anyone else. Was listening to a report this afternoon of a talk he gave in Edinburgh which the reporter noted was outstanding only in his failure to talk about Scotland. Is that because he's already ceded Scotland to the SNP. Not impressed. |
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Post by trentvegas on Aug 14, 2015 21:53:16 GMT
I hope Corbyn does become leader, final nail in the New Labour coffin
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 14, 2015 22:05:09 GMT
I hope Corbyn does become leader, final nail in the New Labour coffin Spot on  Fuck em |
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 14, 2015 22:09:05 GMT
"Under the cover of the pernicious austerity agenda our society is being disfigured. People are being punished for a crisis they did not cause. The Conservatives’ obsession with tax cuts and subsidies for the richest has been coupled with chronic underinvestment and the systematic running down of our public services and infrastructure. ...Austerity is a political choice, not an economic necessity. A fairer future is possible. We can enthuse people with a coherent, fairer vision. To do this we must embrace innovation, investing to fund decent jobs in decent public services and cutting-edge infrastructure. A national investment bank can help to create new jobs, stimulating strong and sustainable economic growth, reducing the deficit fairly." - Jeremy Corbyn www.theguardian.com/…/2015/aug/14/labour-leadership-…Its what he DOESNT say what is worrying. How would he negate the deficit, if at all. To create this political utopia, he would have to spend stupid money to set it up and enforce it, meaning he would have to borrow more on top of what is already owed, thus plunging the country into further debt whilst simultaeneously inhibiting business activity, which will create a knock-on effect of job losses and further welfare dependency, meaning more borrowing to support those out of work. It is a vicious circle of spending to fuck the country up, then spending even more to sink it even further. Its all academic though, he will never get elected as his views are out of date and out of touch with 99% of the electorate. The truth is, most people don't give two fucks about social justice and a 'fairer' society, people just want to get money in their pocket, food on the table and a better standard of living, and IF the Labour party want to get back into power, they need to out-gun the tories on matters such as business, education and immigration, whilst relating to 'common' folk. Under Corbyn, they are just going to drift further to the intellectual hard-left, freezing out core voters who want action, not theoretical babbling about fairness, equality and Justice. Couldn't of said it better myself . Nail and head my friend. Owned  Thumbs up |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 15, 2015 5:55:27 GMT
If Corbyn wasn't electable, his opponents wouldn't need to band together to smear and denigrate him. The reality is that there is huge discontentment with the whole political and economic establishment in Britain. The general public do actually realise bankers are overpaid, landlords charge too much rent and that the utilities are run by greedy crooks. After years of rhetoric they can see through all the touchy hopey aspirational stuff. The Blairite narrative doesn't wash. They want a coherent critique and a clear set of policies to improve their living standards. Offer hope and the economic policies to deliver improved living standards and we'll win. That's the simple secret of Jeremy's success. Why then Huddy is there so much anger directed to him from his competitors in the election race? You can't blame forces outside Labour for the anti-Cornbyn narrative. That is coming from inside the Labour Party. I agree Patrick. Most of the criticism of Corbyn is from within the Party ( in the real world , outside the Oatcake).I think that many are just as concerned about their own personal positions, their roles as they are the party and the country. I am pleased that he has exposed them, and hope that he goes on to win. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 15, 2015 6:07:06 GMT
As usual your lack of understanding shines through here. Really let's see if he makes PM proof of the pudding and all that, by the way while I have your attention again are you ready to spill the beans on your source of your claim about confidential information on other posters on this board or are you a liar, come on man up put up or shut up. It would be interesting if Jeremy wins, achieves Party unity (or survives Party opposition ) and makes it to the 2015 election. If he does , and their are no credible alternatives, I hope that he would win the election. That may be surprising coming from a UKIP member and a person labelled (on here ( as being on the right. My reasons for thus are :1 I would not want a second term of what would be a brutal right wing government, 2 He is the candidate most likely to be uncomfortable with EU membership presuming thst we are still in the experiment.3 He is a genuine man, a conviction politician and would have established his credentias to a degree if he is still the Leader of Labour by then. What would happen then is in the lap of the Gods, The well known predictions/arguments about what would happen to the economy , would then be tested. Personally , I still can see no way that this could happen , could be wrong of course. Time will tell |
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