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Post by kbillyh on Aug 14, 2015 9:33:26 GMT
33 pages of a bunch of right-wing people who vote for right-wing parties, saying they don't think a left-wing politician would be any good for a left-wing party. Who'd a thunk it. DC That is not entirely correct. I am not right wing and do hope that Corbyn wins.He will be good for some ,but there is a good chance that he will split "the Party" , so he may not be good for the Party. He may be good for those who think themselves true socialists in a party which no longer represents them.The problem then is to actually get elected.To do this people outside the party need convincing. I suppose that it remains to be seen if he can do so. What is your view on membership of the EU and the forthcoming referendum from a Socialist/Labour/Communist party perspective? (genuinely interested). As you know the Morning Star has always been against membership and at present Corbyn is in favour of negotiating not ruling out the option of Leaving ( correct politics ftom HIS perspective at the moment).If he gets the leadership and if the party survives and internal debates begin I believe that he will support Exit. What do YOU think? You are a self confessed UKIP supporter, UKIP are right wing are they not? Overall their policies are further to the right than the Tories. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 14, 2015 10:17:36 GMT
DC That is not entirely correct. I am not right wing and do hope that Corbyn wins.He will be good for some ,but there is a good chance that he will split "the Party" , so he may not be good for the Party. He may be good for those who think themselves true socialists in a party which no longer represents them.The problem then is to actually get elected.To do this people outside the party need convincing. I suppose that it remains to be seen if he can do so. What is your view on membership of the EU and the forthcoming referendum from a Socialist/Labour/Communist party perspective? (genuinely interested). As you know the Morning Star has always been against membership and at present Corbyn is in favour of negotiating not ruling out the option of Leaving ( correct politics ftom HIS perspective at the moment).If he gets the leadership and if the party survives and internal debates begin I believe that he will support Exit. What do YOU think? You are a self confessed UKIP supporter, UKIP are right wing are they not? Overall their policies are further to the right than the Tories. I see what you are saying Billy. Personally I do not think you have to be "right wing" to join UKIP , if you believe in their major policies. Undoubtedly UKIP would attract 'right wingers', but it has also attracted disaffected Labour supporters, who see the issues of democracy , immigration and the EU ( which transcends PARTY POLITICS) as being of prime importance .UKIP seem to have taken a lead in this and have attracted 4 milion supporters from ALL persuations. Surely you have noticed this? For the sake of argument if you want to label me 'right wing' that's fine with me and I can live with that, and you can win that one. BUT it is not about me, it's about Policies, points of view. Some have accused Labour party members of being right wing (or Tory Lite), others Trotsykites ...Labels don't tell the full story.(Who are the 'Working class' ' true socialist' ' New Labour' true "Labour").The debate now is about the soul of the Labour Party, and the protagonists are all claiming to be the real thing. Where is 'the right' , 'the left' and 'the centre', the "average man", the 'aspirational woman", ,the "Far left" ,the "slightly left of centre, but not too far" nowadays? I believe in the (eventually ) nationalisation of the railways and utilities ,which puts me close to Corbyn. I think he is against HS2 which I certainly agree with. And his stance on Europe MAY be to exit ( Does that make him, Benn, Foot, Skinner ,me and the Morning Star right wing ?) .It's not that simple anymore. BUT this is why I stick to the ISSUES not the personalities ( Very Corbynistic, he said the same in respect of the socialist, Blair's intervention on his leadership candidacy! ).It does not matter whether YOU label ME right or left wing if we are to debate the ISSUES , honestly. Similar really to let's say Britsabroad posting on here. Whether he is , or is not , a Man Utd fan is irrelevant to the ISSUE and he does not deserve abuse. (To do otherwise leads to the crap and abuse of the entrenched positions which everyone is aware of on here, most really do not want, but don't know how to stop it). I just don't get involved in the personal stuff Billy. For all I know, a person for instance could be the most caring , kind person around (seriously),but take a different approach when on the keyboard so a little perspective,respect and candour is needed on a Messageboard. (Incidentally, completely off topic,can you recall the "decent, upstanding", 'pillar of the community ' woman who was exposed for trolling the McCanns, and then committed suicide because of the shame of that exposure?..I put this in just to illustrate the difference for some (NO ONE ON THE OATCAKE) in their 'internet life' and 'Other life', and therefore why I will not be judgmental of the people on here) This thread you know is NOT about UKIP, but about the Labour Leadership. What is your view on what the candidates for the Leadership have to say about membership of the EU? Up the Vale! (PS if you need a response I am a bit busy today....but I will only respond to the ISSUES!) |
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 14, 2015 10:49:42 GMT
Well ......I think his appeal in the party is is a sad reflection of how misguided the party has reacted to a humiliating defeat . All of a sudden we have a party full of mediocrity with no born leader and a party that has seen traditional Labour voters turn away towards UKIP. The reason is quite simple . They have seen enough of the news headlines . They are sick of seeing the news dominated by terrorist plots , immigration , overcrowding in schools , Calais , and the immigrants coming into Europe via the Med.....etc etc . Labour has not been proactive or reassuring enough to allay their fears or provide a solution to this problem . Labour has simply chosen to hide behind the Conservatives apron . Since Corbyn has come on the scene and into the public spotlight , he has gone even further down the road of angering its core support by actively endorsing mass immigration , the withdrawal from the UN , and abandoning Trident altogether . One has to ask oneself if there is anything else he can think of to alienate the grass root Labour supporter anymore ? The proof or evidence of what I'm saying is here on this board . There's at least 6 who I know are previous Labour supporters and no matter how loud the likes of Huddy , Billy no mates , and one or two others shout , there is no getting away from this simple fact . If you role out this model across the country as a whole , the numbers are massive . I have a feeling however , that even if Corbyn wins this election , he will not last long at the helm . I hope so anyway ..... Superb post and spot on Thumbs up |
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Post by Biblical on Aug 14, 2015 11:00:31 GMT
Of course you are mate  .......aren't we all for that matter ? ;  Apart from you of course. Fence sitting as per...with the odd little dig against anything that challenges your cosy world. Sometimes you're worse than the fascists on here. All in a gentle "fence sitting chuckle chuckle" kind of way eh? Couldn't agree more. |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 14, 2015 11:03:26 GMT
What is your view on membership of the EU It doesn't really matter, mate. I'll use a quote of your friend 'StokeHarry' from a thread a few days ago. Bottom line is , an explanation is not needed . The government want it so we have it and that's the way it is and that's the way it's going to stay regardless of what any know it alls say online |
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 14, 2015 11:10:17 GMT
You are a self confessed UKIP supporter, UKIP are right wing are they not? Overall their policies are further to the right than the Tories. I see what you are saying Billy. Personally I do not think you have to be "right wing" to join UKIP , if you believe in their major policies. Undoubtedly UKIP would attract 'right wingers', but it has also attracted disaffected Labour supporters, who see the issues of democracy , immigration and the EU ( which transcends PARTY POLITICS) as being of prime importance .UKIP seem to have taken a lead in this and have attracted 4 milion supporters from ALL persuations. Surely you have noticed this? For the sake of argument if you want to label me 'right wing' that's fine with me and I can live with that, and you can win that one. BUT it is not about me, it's about Policies, points of view. Some have accused Labour party members of being right wing (or Tory Lite), others Trotsykites ...Labels don't tell the full story.(Who are the 'Working class' ' true socialist' ' New Labour' true "Labour").The debate now is about the soul of the Labour Party, and the protagonists are all claiming to be the real thing. Where is 'the right' , 'the left' and 'the centre', the "average man", the 'aspirational woman", ,the "Far left" ,the "slightly left of centre, but not too far" nowadays? I believe in the (eventually ) nationalisation of the railways and utilities ,which puts me close to Corbyn. I think he is against HS2 which I certainly agree with. And his stance on Europe MAY be to exit ( Does that make him, Benn, Foot, Skinner ,me and the Morning Star right wing ?) .It's not that simple anymore. BUT this is why I stick to the ISSUES not the personalities ( Very Corbynistic, he said the same in respect of the socialist, Blair's intervention on his leadership candidacy! ).It does not matter whether YOU label ME right or left wing if we are to debate the ISSUES , honestly. Similar really to let's say Britsabroad posting on here. Whether he is , or is not , a Man Utd fan is irrelevant to the ISSUE and he does not deserve abuse. (To do otherwise leads to the crap and abuse of the entrenched positions which everyone is aware of on here, most really do not want, but don't know how to stop it). I just don't get involved in the personal stuff Billy. For all I know, a person for instance could be the most caring , kind person around (seriously),but take a different approach when on the keyboard so a little perspective,respect and candour is needed on a Messageboard. (Incidentally, completely off topic,can you recall the "decent, upstanding", 'pillar of the community ' woman who was exposed for trolling the McCanns, and then committed suicide because of the shame of that exposure?..I put this in just to illustrate the difference for some (NO ONE ON THE OATCAKE) in their 'internet life' and 'Other life', and therefore why I will not be judgmental of the people on here) This thread you know is NOT about UKIP, but about the Labour Leadership. What is your view on what the candidates for the Leadership have to say about membership of the EU? Up the Vale! (PS if you need a response I am a bit busy today....but I will only respond to the ISSUES!) So many points of discussion bought up on a single post there but the point i was responding to is your denial that you are right wing, nothing else. You may not see yourself as a right winger but you vote right wing, nothing can distract from that and therefore Mr Drunken Communist was correct in classing you among the group of right wingers as mentioned in his post: "33 pages of a bunch of right-wing people who vote for right-wing parties, saying they don't think a left-wing politician would be any good for a left-wing party." Your reply started with "That is not entirely correct. I am not right wing....", like it or not........... off subject: Did you just say "Up the Vale"? |
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 14, 2015 11:10:18 GMT
What is your view on membership of the EU It doesn't really matter, mate. I'll use a quote of your friend 'StokeHarry' from a thread a few days ago. Bottom line is , an explanation is not needed . The government want it so we have it and that's the way it is and that's the way it's going to stay regardless of what any know it alls say online And you'd be spot on for a change . One of the differences between me and you though is that I don't pretend to give a fuck what people think. I've always made it clear the opinions of the far left means less to me than a pile of dog faeces on the road . You can explain yourself till you are blue in the face on here and the far left will twist your words , lie , take things out of context and manipulate what you've said as well as only quoting half of the post in order to suit their own agenda so rather than waste previous time trying to explain your point it's easier to just just say "fuck em" . Certain posters aren't worthy and some are , those with manners and that talk to each other on an equal level I've got all the time in the world for and will happily take the time out to dicuss things with . However , the far left on here don't belong in that category the majority of the time , they lack the intellect and are too blinkered |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 14, 2015 11:13:24 GMT
What is your view on membership of the EU It doesn't really matter, mate. I'll use a quote of your friend 'StokeHarry' from a thread a few days ago. Bottom line is , an explanation is not needed . The government want it so we have it and that's the way it is and that's the way it's going to stay regardless of what any know it alls say online DC Yes I can understand why you think that. It is very hard to fight the establishment, those in power as I suppose the revolutionary Marxists are finding out/have found out. For me, similar to the Morning Star, I think our democracy is worth fighting for. |
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 14, 2015 11:26:01 GMT
It doesn't really matter, mate. I'll use a quote of your friend 'StokeHarry' from a thread a few days ago. And you'd be spot on for a change . One of the differences between me and you though is that I don't pretend to give a fuck what people think. I've always made it clear the opinions of the far left means less to me than a pile of dog faeces on the road . You can explain yourself till you are blue in the face on here and the far left will twist your words , lie , take things out of context and manipulate what you've said as well as only quoting half of the post in order to suit their own agenda so rather than waste previous time trying to explain your point it's easier to just just say "fuck em" . Certain posters aren't worthy and some are , those with manners and that talk to each other on an equal level I've got all the time in the world for and will happily take the time out to dicuss things with . However , the far left on here don't belong in that category the majority of the time , they lack the intellect and are too blinkered Briliant post Harry! If only people were as clever as you and not blinkered. There is nothing contradictory at all in that post and i'm sure nobody could easily point one out. You're the voice of the Oatcake you mate.   |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 14, 2015 11:27:08 GMT
I see what you are saying Billy. Personally I do not think you have to be "right wing" to join UKIP , if you believe in their major policies. Undoubtedly UKIP would attract 'right wingers', but it has also attracted disaffected Labour supporters, who see the issues of democracy , immigration and the EU ( which transcends PARTY POLITICS) as being of prime importance .UKIP seem to have taken a lead in this and have attracted 4 milion supporters from ALL persuations. Surely you have noticed this? For the sake of argument if you want to label me 'right wing' that's fine with me and I can live with that, and you can win that one. BUT it is not about me, it's about Policies, points of view. Some have accused Labour party members of being right wing (or Tory Lite), others Trotsykites ...Labels don't tell the full story.(Who are the 'Working class' ' true socialist' ' New Labour' true "Labour").The debate now is about the soul of the Labour Party, and the protagonists are all claiming to be the real thing. Where is 'the right' , 'the left' and 'the centre', the "average man", the 'aspirational woman", ,the "Far left" ,the "slightly left of centre, but not too far" nowadays? I believe in the (eventually ) nationalisation of the railways and utilities ,which puts me close to Corbyn. I think he is against HS2 which I certainly agree with. And his stance on Europe MAY be to exit ( Does that make him, Benn, Foot, Skinner ,me and the Morning Star right wing ?) .It's not that simple anymore. BUT this is why I stick to the ISSUES not the personalities ( Very Corbynistic, he said the same in respect of the socialist, Blair's intervention on his leadership candidacy! ).It does not matter whether YOU label ME right or left wing if we are to debate the ISSUES , honestly. Similar really to let's say Britsabroad posting on here. Whether he is , or is not , a Man Utd fan is irrelevant to the ISSUE and he does not deserve abuse. (To do otherwise leads to the crap and abuse of the entrenched positions which everyone is aware of on here, most really do not want, but don't know how to stop it). I just don't get involved in the personal stuff Billy. For all I know, a person for instance could be the most caring , kind person around (seriously),but take a different approach when on the keyboard so a little perspective,respect and candour is needed on a Messageboard. (Incidentally, completely off topic,can you recall the "decent, upstanding", 'pillar of the community ' woman who was exposed for trolling the McCanns, and then committed suicide because of the shame of that exposure?..I put this in just to illustrate the difference for some (NO ONE ON THE OATCAKE) in their 'internet life' and 'Other life', and therefore why I will not be judgmental of the people on here) This thread you know is NOT about UKIP, but about the Labour Leadership. What is your view on what the candidates for the Leadership have to say about membership of the EU? Up the Vale! (PS if you need a response I am a bit busy today....but I will only respond to the ISSUES!) So many points of discussion bought up on a single post there but the point i was responding to is your denial that you are right wing, nothing else. You may not see yourself as a right winger but you vote right wing, nothing can distract from that and therefore Mr Drunken Communist was correct in classing you among the group of right wingers as mentioned in his post: "33 pages of a bunch of right-wing people who vote for right-wing parties, saying they don't think a left-wing politician would be any good for a left-wing party." Your reply started with "That is not entirely correct. I am not right wing....", like it or not........... off subject: Did you just say "Up the Vale"? Okay Billy, I just thought that I would try to answer your question fully, so that it is clear and we don't have to keep repeating ourselves ( I am spending too much time on here!). I have no problem with you ignoring most of what I said, entirely your perogative. To try to be succinct , by all means call me 'right wing', I can live with that , because SOME labels ( for me) are meaningless, and sometimes say more about those using the labels. Yes reference to the Vale was a very small lighthearted interlude , not to be taken TOO seriously and certainly not the thrust of the LENGTHY post. (Horror of horrors,I do like the Vale, but I would not mind leaving the potential issues which that bringsto another thread/time, please? We could start one "Can you be a Stoke fan, and like the Vale?) Enough about ME. Seriously, see if you can answer these two questions: How would YOU label YOURSELF? What is YOUR view on the LABOUR PARTY'S stance on EU membership, and YOUR own position? ( ermm , that is possibly 3 questions on 2 topics) |
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 14, 2015 11:28:10 GMT
It doesn't really matter, mate. I'll use a quote of your friend 'StokeHarry' from a thread a few days ago. DC Yes I can understand why you think that. It is very hard to fight the establishment, those in power as I suppose the revolutionary Marxists are finding out/have found out. For me, similar to the Morning Star, I think our democracy is worth fighting for. Me too. Trouble is we are not a united people. There are too many ideals too many different world views and too many different people wanting different things for any massive changes to take place . The enemy of my enemy can be my friend as the saying goes (or to that effect) The days of standing together as one are long gone , it's about the individual nowadays. To quote thatcher "there is no such thing as society" . That doesn't mean we can't look out for each other and do charitable things and be polite and respectful to our neighbours but apart from the odd mother Teresa everyone is out for themselves in 21st century Britain. Today's "society" is to selfish . There is no democracy whilst we are members of the EU and that is another reason why we need to come out but there are people that don't agree and want to stay in which is fair enough. |
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 14, 2015 11:29:55 GMT
And you'd be spot on for a change . One of the differences between me and you though is that I don't pretend to give a fuck what people think. I've always made it clear the opinions of the far left means less to me than a pile of dog faeces on the road . You can explain yourself till you are blue in the face on here and the far left will twist your words , lie , take things out of context and manipulate what you've said as well as only quoting half of the post in order to suit their own agenda so rather than waste previous time trying to explain your point it's easier to just just say "fuck em" . Certain posters aren't worthy and some are , those with manners and that talk to each other on an equal level I've got all the time in the world for and will happily take the time out to dicuss things with . However , the far left on here don't belong in that category the majority of the time , they lack the intellect and are too blinkered Briliant post Harry! If only people were as clever as you and not blinkered. There is nothing contradictory at all in that post and i'm sure nobody could easily point one out. You're the voice of the Oatcake you mate. Oh the irony. I don't claim to be the voice of the Oatcake , I speak for myself and I'm sure others can too , unlike you who thinks you speak for the rest of the county. You don't , except in your own head . Vote UKIP billy no mates , you closet right winger you |
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 14, 2015 11:34:30 GMT
So many points of discussion bought up on a single post there but the point i was responding to is your denial that you are right wing, nothing else. You may not see yourself as a right winger but you vote right wing, nothing can distract from that and therefore Mr Drunken Communist was correct in classing you among the group of right wingers as mentioned in his post: "33 pages of a bunch of right-wing people who vote for right-wing parties, saying they don't think a left-wing politician would be any good for a left-wing party." Your reply started with "That is not entirely correct. I am not right wing....", like it or not........... off subject: Did you just say "Up the Vale"? Okay Billy, I just thought that I would try to answer your question fully, so that it is clear and we don't have to keep repeating ourselves ( I am spending too much time on here!). I have no problem with you ignoring most of what I said, entirely your perogative. To try to be succinct , by all means call me 'right wing', I can live with that , because SOME labels ( for me) are meaningless, and sometimes say more about those using the labels. Yes reference to the Vale was a very small lighthearted interlude , not to be taken TOO seriously and certainly not the thrust of the LENGTHY post. (Horror of horrors,I do like the Vale, but I would not mind leaving the potential issues which that bringsto another thread/time, please? We could start one "Can you be a Stoke fan, and like the Vale?) Enough about ME. Seriously, see if you can answer these two questions: How would YOU label YOURSELF? What is YOUR view on the LABOUR PARTY'S stance on EU membership, and YOUR own position? ( ermm , that is possibly 3 questions on 2 topics) Oh you'll have to repeat it all BJR. After a while though repeating yourself just gets boring so it's best to just take the piss out of them Thumbs up |
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 14, 2015 11:47:40 GMT
So many points of discussion bought up on a single post there but the point i was responding to is your denial that you are right wing, nothing else. You may not see yourself as a right winger but you vote right wing, nothing can distract from that and therefore Mr Drunken Communist was correct in classing you among the group of right wingers as mentioned in his post: "33 pages of a bunch of right-wing people who vote for right-wing parties, saying they don't think a left-wing politician would be any good for a left-wing party." Your reply started with "That is not entirely correct. I am not right wing....", like it or not........... off subject: Did you just say "Up the Vale"? Okay Billy, I just thought that I would try to answer your question fully, so that it is clear and we don't have to keep repeating ourselves ( I am spending too much time on here!). I have no problem with you ignoring most of what I said, entirely your perogative. To try to be succinct , by all means call me 'right wing', I can live with that , because SOME labels ( for me) are meaningless, and sometimes say more about those using the labels. Yes reference to the Vale was a very small lighthearted interlude , not to be taken TOO seriously and certainly not the thrust of the LENGTHY post. (Horror of horrors,I do like the Vale, but I would not mind leaving the potential issues which that bringsto another thread/time, please? We could start one "Can you be a Stoke fan, and like the Vale?) Enough about ME. Seriously, see if you can answer these two questions: How would YOU label YOURSELF? What is YOUR view on the LABOUR PARTY'S stance on EU membership, and YOUR own position? ( ermm , that is possibly 3 questions on 2 topics) I was just saying that The Drunken Communist's comment was entirely correct which was something you denied. The label may mean nothing to yourself but it fits in the context it was used, I ignored the rest of your several comments as a reply because they were repeated blurb. If you don't wish to repeat yourself why do you keep doing so? You have asked me before earlier in this thread about Europe and i replied, it must be over a dozen times on this thread you have tried to guide the subject back onto Europe. Regarding how i would label myself............ Stoke City fan on a Stoke City message board. If i posted on another teams message board i would wear my badge with pride on my avatar rather than mingle incognito, something wouldn't sit pretty doing that and i'm suspicious of anybody without the balls to do so. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 14, 2015 11:57:13 GMT
Okay Billy, I just thought that I would try to answer your question fully, so that it is clear and we don't have to keep repeating ourselves ( I am spending too much time on here!). I have no problem with you ignoring most of what I said, entirely your perogative. To try to be succinct , by all means call me 'right wing', I can live with that , because SOME labels ( for me) are meaningless, and sometimes say more about those using the labels. Yes reference to the Vale was a very small lighthearted interlude , not to be taken TOO seriously and certainly not the thrust of the LENGTHY post. (Horror of horrors,I do like the Vale, but I would not mind leaving the potential issues which that bringsto another thread/time, please? We could start one "Can you be a Stoke fan, and like the Vale?) Enough about ME. Seriously, see if you can answer these two questions: How would YOU label YOURSELF? What is YOUR view on the LABOUR PARTY'S stance on EU membership, and YOUR own position? ( ermm , that is possibly 3 questions on 2 topics) I was just saying that The Drunken Communist's comment was entirely correct which was something you denied. The label may mean nothing to yourself but it fits in the context it was used, I ignored the rest of your several comments as a reply because they were repeated blurb. If you don't wish to repeat yourself why do you keep doing so? You have asked me before earlier in this thread about Europe and i replied, it must be over a dozen times on this thread you have tried to guide the subject back onto Europe. Regarding how i would label myself............ Stoke City fan on a Stoke City message board. If i posted on another teams message board i would wear my badge with pride on my avatar rather than mingle incognito, something wouldn't sit pretty doing that and i'm suspicious of anybody without the balls to do so. Billy, Apologies if I have repeated myself, Also apologies that I have genuinely missed your stance , and your view on the Labour party stance on Europe. In a nutshell, would you mind reminding me, please? Also of course we were talking about Labels within a political context, how would you label yourself in that context? "Far Left", "Left" , "centre". Honestly there is no hidden agenda here, just curious , since you label me "Right" |
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Post by Biblical on Aug 14, 2015 12:04:44 GMT
I was just saying that The Drunken Communist's comment was entirely correct which was something you denied. The label may mean nothing to yourself but it fits in the context it was used, I ignored the rest of your several comments as a reply because they were repeated blurb. If you don't wish to repeat yourself why do you keep doing so? You have asked me before earlier in this thread about Europe and i replied, it must be over a dozen times on this thread you have tried to guide the subject back onto Europe. Regarding how i would label myself............ Stoke City fan on a Stoke City message board. If i posted on another teams message board i would wear my badge with pride on my avatar rather than mingle incognito, something wouldn't sit pretty doing that and i'm suspicious of anybody without the balls to do so. Billy, Apologies if I have repeated myself, Also apologies that I have genuinely missed your stance , and your view on the Labour party stance on Europe. In a nutshell, would you mind reminding me, please? Also of course we were talking about Labels within a political context, how would you label yourself in that context? "Far Left", "Left" , "centre". Honestly there is no hidden agenda here, just curious , since you label me "Right" If you support UKIP then you are 'Right', no if's, but's or maybe's about it. |
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Post by Gods on Aug 14, 2015 12:08:01 GMT
Right, what is going on, is old Corbyn going to get in? He seems to have a huge lead in the polls.
I am still not 100% convinced he will. Yvette Cooper and Andy Burnham have at last lined up a few pot shots in his direction and with folks typically giving their heads a little wobble in the polling station as we saw recently at the UK election and the Scottish Independence election you never quite know.
I still think the possibility remains that when second preferences are counted Yvette Cooper or Andy Burnham will scrape through.
On balance I predict Corbyn will get in but much, much closer than the polls indicate.
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 14, 2015 12:14:32 GMT
I was just saying that The Drunken Communist's comment was entirely correct which was something you denied. The label may mean nothing to yourself but it fits in the context it was used, I ignored the rest of your several comments as a reply because they were repeated blurb. If you don't wish to repeat yourself why do you keep doing so? You have asked me before earlier in this thread about Europe and i replied, it must be over a dozen times on this thread you have tried to guide the subject back onto Europe. Regarding how i would label myself............ Stoke City fan on a Stoke City message board. If i posted on another teams message board i would wear my badge with pride on my avatar rather than mingle incognito, something wouldn't sit pretty doing that and i'm suspicious of anybody without the balls to do so. Billy, Apologies if I have repeated myself, Also apologies that I have genuinely missed your stance , and your view on the Labour party stance on Europe. In a nutshell, would you mind reminding me, please? Also of course we were talking about Labels within a political context, how would you label yourself in that context? "Far Left", "Left" , "centre". Honestly there is no hidden agenda here, just curious , since you label me "Right" No hidden agenda, behave. You're a Vale fan on a Stoke City Message Board, you vote UKIP and constantly talk about Europe on a thread about the Labour Leadership.....honestly? I'm not going to repeat where i stand on Europe, look it up if you care that much. As for asking me to label myself politically, overall i am center left. That's not to say i've chosen a specific pigeonhole without parameters though, my views on a few issues can certainly be classed as right wing and a few far left. Voting UKIP though is clearly right wing, they may have conned you into thinking it isn't, but it is, simple as. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 14, 2015 12:17:08 GMT
Billy, Apologies if I have repeated myself, Also apologies that I have genuinely missed your stance , and your view on the Labour party stance on Europe. In a nutshell, would you mind reminding me, please? Also of course we were talking about Labels within a political context, how would you label yourself in that context? "Far Left", "Left" , "centre". Honestly there is no hidden agenda here, just curious , since you label me "Right" If you support UKIP then you are 'Right', no if's, but's or maybe's about it. I can certainly live with that , in this context |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 14, 2015 12:19:00 GMT
Billy, Apologies if I have repeated myself, Also apologies that I have genuinely missed your stance , and your view on the Labour party stance on Europe. In a nutshell, would you mind reminding me, please? Also of course we were talking about Labels within a political context, how would you label yourself in that context? "Far Left", "Left" , "centre". Honestly there is no hidden agenda here, just curious , since you label me "Right" No hidden agenda, behave. You're a Vale fan on a Stoke City Message Board, you vote UKIP and constantly talk about Europe on a thread about the Labour Leadership.....honestly? I'm not going to repeat where i stand on Europe, look it up if you care that much. As for asking me to label myself politically, overall i am center left. That's not to say i've chosen a specific pigeonhole without parameters though, my views on a few issues can certainly be classed as right wing and a few far left. Voting UKIP though is clearly right wing, they may have conned you into thinking it isn't, but it is, simple as. Okay Billy That confirms alot, thank you. Have a good day! |
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 14, 2015 12:19:32 GMT
Billy, Apologies if I have repeated myself, Also apologies that I have genuinely missed your stance , and your view on the Labour party stance on Europe. In a nutshell, would you mind reminding me, please? Also of course we were talking about Labels within a political context, how would you label yourself in that context? "Far Left", "Left" , "centre". Honestly there is no hidden agenda here, just curious , since you label me "Right" No hidden agenda, behave. You're a Vale fan on a Stoke City Message Board, you vote UKIP and constantly talk about Europe on a thread about the Labour Leadership.....honestly? I'm not going to repeat where i stand on Europe, look it up if you care that much. As for asking me to label myself politically, overall i am center left. That's not to say i've chosen a specific pigeonhole without parameters though, my views on a few issues can certainly be classed as right wing and a few far left. Voting UKIP though is clearly right wing, they may have conned you into thinking it isn't, but it is, simple as. Myself and millions of others turned away from Labour to vote UKIP, does that automatically make me and millions of other right wing ?, maybe it was because they offered an alternative view to mass migration etc that Labour have encouraged and endorsed. |
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 14, 2015 12:27:39 GMT
No hidden agenda, behave. You're a Vale fan on a Stoke City Message Board, you vote UKIP and constantly talk about Europe on a thread about the Labour Leadership.....honestly? I'm not going to repeat where i stand on Europe, look it up if you care that much. As for asking me to label myself politically, overall i am center left. That's not to say i've chosen a specific pigeonhole without parameters though, my views on a few issues can certainly be classed as right wing and a few far left. Voting UKIP though is clearly right wing, they may have conned you into thinking it isn't, but it is, simple as. Myself and millions of others turned away from Labour to vote UKIP, does that automatically make me and millions of other right wing ?, maybe it was because they offered an alternative view to mass migration etc that Labour have encouraged and endorsed. Don't let them use the term right wing as if it's an insult mate , because it isn't , when it comes to immigration I'm firmly right wing and proud of it , in some areas , especially socially I agree with many left wing ideals but I couldn't bring myself to label myself as left wing because to me left wing is an insult . There are many great left wing figures from the past and if it was 40-50 years ago I'd be firmly in the left wing camp , but that was before immigration was a problem and before we were ruled by the EU , times change and so do people |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 14, 2015 12:28:28 GMT
No hidden agenda, behave. You're a Vale fan on a Stoke City Message Board, you vote UKIP and constantly talk about Europe on a thread about the Labour Leadership.....honestly? I'm not going to repeat where i stand on Europe, look it up if you care that much. As for asking me to label myself politically, overall i am center left. That's not to say i've chosen a specific pigeonhole without parameters though, my views on a few issues can certainly be classed as right wing and a few far left. Voting UKIP though is clearly right wing, they may have conned you into thinking it isn't, but it is, simple as. Myself and millions of others turned away from Labour to vote UKIP, does that automatically make me and millions of other right wing ?, maybe it was because they offered an alternative view to mass migration etc that Labour have encouraged and endorsed. Carps, I am afraid it does.(welcome aboard!) Don't Worry about it , the ISSUES ARE more important than the labels , in this context ( might mean more if any of us were 'important' and had influence in the media) Up the Canaries! |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 14, 2015 12:30:31 GMT
Myself and millions of others turned away from Labour to vote UKIP, does that automatically make me and millions of other right wing ?, maybe it was because they offered an alternative view to mass migration etc that Labour have encouraged and endorsed. Don't let them use the term right wing as if it's an insult mate , because it isn't , when it comes to immigration I'm firmly right wing and proud of it , in some areas , especially socially I agree with many left wing ideals but I couldn't bring myself to label myself as left wing because to me left wing is an insult . There are many great left wing figures from the past and if it was 40-50 years ago I'd be firmly in the left wing camp , but that was before immigration was a problem and before we were ruled by the EU , times change and so do people It is simple to understand really Harry , eh? |
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 14, 2015 12:33:19 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 14, 2015 12:39:36 GMT
Not read the link yet Billy (I will) , but of the 4 candidates, at this precise moment, Corbyn may well turn out to be the most popular. I don't think he could win a general election though . Could be wrong! |
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Post by Biblical on Aug 14, 2015 12:41:00 GMT
Myself and millions of others turned away from Labour to vote UKIP, does that automatically make me and millions of other right wing ?, maybe it was because they offered an alternative view to mass migration etc that Labour have encouraged and endorsed. Don't let them use the term right wing as if it's an insult mate , because it isn't , when it comes to immigration I'm firmly right wing and proud of it , in some areas , especially socially I agree with many left wing ideals but I couldn't bring myself to label myself as left wing because to me left wing is an insult . There are many great left wing figures from the past and if it was 40-50 years ago I'd be firmly in the left wing camp , but that was before immigration was a problem and before we were ruled by the EU , times change and so do people What would you say you're left wing views are? |
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 14, 2015 12:41:33 GMT
Don't let them use the term right wing as if it's an insult mate , because it isn't , when it comes to immigration I'm firmly right wing and proud of it , in some areas , especially socially I agree with many left wing ideals but I couldn't bring myself to label myself as left wing because to me left wing is an insult . There are many great left wing figures from the past and if it was 40-50 years ago I'd be firmly in the left wing camp , but that was before immigration was a problem and before we were ruled by the EU , times change and so do people It is simple to understand really Harry , eh? It really is mate. I think deep down they agree with us but this is the internet and it's full of geeks and WUM'S that can't get their kicks in the real world so pretend to be some kind of Che character online . 30s-40s and 50s Britain didn't have an immigration problem and there wasn't a united states of Europe so if UKIP were around back then I doubt they'd of gotten a single vote , they simply weren't needed , I wouldn't of voted for them , I'd of voted Labour like most of the working class did . Fast forward 60-70 years and the world is a different place and priorities change. I agree with social equality, I don't agree with a class system , I want the poor to get a better deal , I want wealth to be distributed more evenly, and I want and support a welfare state and a NHS,but at the same time I don't want mass immigration, I support democracy and the EU isn't democratic and I want to preserve British identity. I don't get offended if people call me right wing in fact I wear it as a badge of honour. Most working men out there don't care about left or right or politics in general , they are too busy trying to earn a living and your average Stokie doesn't waste his time on the oatcake arguing with numptys and explaining himself to WUM's. Some people watch films or go the footy as a form of escapism and for others the oatcake is a means of escaping but lets be honest nothing anyone says on here will make a blind bit of difference in the real world and people take is far too seriously. Whilst the usual angry leftys are on here thinking they are making a difference I'm packing for my 2 week holiday at the end of the month whilst laughing at the idiots inbetween folding my shorts and vests Thumbs up |
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 14, 2015 12:49:10 GMT
Not read the link yet Billy (I will) , but of the 4 candidates, at this precise moment, Corbyn may well turn out to be the most popular. I don't think he could win a general election though . Could be wrong! Yeah you said. Quite a few times now, as have all the other right wing voters over and over again which is what this thread has mainly attracted, hence my (and DC's) previous comments. I may call you a right winger but this hasn't been used as a derogatory term. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 14, 2015 12:59:16 GMT
Not read the link yet Billy (I will) , but of the 4 candidates, at this precise moment, Corbyn may well turn out to be the most popular. I don't think he could win a general election though . Could be wrong! Yeah you said. Quite a few times now, as have all the other right wing voters over and over again which is what this thread has mainly attracted, hence my (and DC's) previous comments. I may call you a right winger but this hasn't been used as a derogatory term. Billy I am merely agreeing with your post. We can leave aside all the other stuff now can't we? We have clarified things and cleared the air surely? Live and let live. As you say back to the Leadership issue. |
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