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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 14:41:30 GMT
This thread is comedy gold. Corbyn is a fucking idiot of the highest order so it's no surprise that pretty much every New Labour big name (remember them? they got Labour elected in three elections) is firing out a warning. The left did their best to protect Miliband and tried to make out that he was the man for the job despite secretly knowing that he was hopeless. Corbyn is far worse than Miliband. He's nothing more than a mature student and a danger to the nation. He won't get anywhere near running this country but, whilst he's playing billy big bollocks with the Labour Party, he's helping the normal people of the country work out who the real fucking idiots are - the people that think he's capable of running the country. Fucking deluded. You're not really his audience, SB are you? You are the sort of right winger if encountering a starving man in the street would write to the council to get a reduction on your council tax for the indignity of having to walk around him. It's not you Jeremy has got to convince, he leaves the Sun and The Mail to educate you. With regards to the starving man in the street the big difference between Labour and the Tories is that when the Tories are in power it's a fucking disgrace that this is allowed to happen but when Labour are in power it's simply not mentioned. |
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 13, 2015 14:48:07 GMT
Don't know about anybody else but i'd be really interested to hear what ukip supporters think about the Labour leadership. Come on chaps don't be shy, voice your opinions on a party that you would never ever vote for over and over again so that no other debate can be heard other than your own. Yeah, that sound's like it would be really, really interesting, perhaps you could chuck in a few insults to those that disagree whilst your at it, don't worry about anybody returning the insults because i'm sure a certain poster will chastise them immediately.  Seeing as you ask! I was a former labour voter. I spent a night in May 1997 alternating between Stoke town hall and a pub round the corner. I don't think it was just the drink nor my tender years (early 20's then) but I remember it as a night of hope and optimism. 13 years later I was glad to be rid of them. Blairs religious wars, the spending of money that was never there, the throwing open of our borders for their own electoral gain, oh and of course the end of boom and bust (not forgetting of course that it was actually labour who introduced tuition fees, started the privitisation of the nhs and the devolution experiment that's going so well). How any of them had the nerve to show their faces properly still pisses me off. It seems many more agreed with me, with the electoral kicking handed out to Miliband and Balls. I've listened with interest to much of what Corbyn has said and find him to be totally unelectable. His solution instead of finding a radical 21st century solution seems more like the 1970's. For all I find his views quite refreshing and honest, his chances of being PM are only slightly better than my own! I can't see myself returning to a labour voter in 2020, although in fairness the other 3 candidates are also quite poor and shows how lacking in talent the labour party currently are. I'm sure that "old" labour party members are pleased as punch that the good old days are returning. But for labour the good old days were spent almost totally in opposition and that's where they'll end up with Corbyn as leader. Err, yeah ok. Thanks.  |
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Post by thevoid on Aug 13, 2015 14:50:16 GMT
Seeing as you ask! I was a former labour voter. I spent a night in May 1997 alternating between Stoke town hall and a pub round the corner. I don't think it was just the drink nor my tender years (early 20's then) but I remember it as a night of hope and optimism. 13 years later I was glad to be rid of them. Blairs religious wars, the spending of money that was never there, the throwing open of our borders for their own electoral gain, oh and of course the end of boom and bust (not forgetting of course that it was actually labour who introduced tuition fees, started the privitisation of the nhs and the devolution experiment that's going so well). How any of them had the nerve to show their faces properly still pisses me off. It seems many more agreed with me, with the electoral kicking handed out to Miliband and Balls. I've listened with interest to much of what Corbyn has said and find him to be totally unelectable. His solution instead of finding a radical 21st century solution seems more like the 1970's. For all I find his views quite refreshing and honest, his chances of being PM are only slightly better than my own! I can't see myself returning to a labour voter in 2020, although in fairness the other 3 candidates are also quite poor and shows how lacking in talent the labour party currently are. I'm sure that "old" labour party members are pleased as punch that the good old days are returning. But for labour the good old days were spent almost totally in opposition and that's where they'll end up with Corbyn as leader. Err, yeah ok. Thanks. You asked a question and he answered, why the sarky response, Mr Angry? |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 13, 2015 14:51:43 GMT
You're not really his audience, SB are you? You are the sort of right winger if encountering a starving man in the street would write to the council to get a reduction on your council tax for the indignity of having to walk around him. It's not you Jeremy has got to convince, he leaves the Sun and The Mail to educate you. With regards to the starving man in the street the big difference between Labour and the Tories is that when the Tories are in power it's a fucking disgrace that this is allowed to happen but when Labour are in power it's simply not mentioned. Well according to Iain Duncan Smith and the PM, the rise of foodbanks to address malnutrition is down to the marketing success of the providers. Perhaps they smell a profit here. Stand by George Osborne's best man. |
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 13, 2015 14:54:49 GMT
Err, yeah ok. Thanks. You asked a question and he answered, why the sarky response, Mr Angry? If you don't know why you're even thicker than i'd previously given you credit for.  |
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Post by boothenboy75 on Aug 13, 2015 14:57:34 GMT
Seeing as you ask! I was a former labour voter. I spent a night in May 1997 alternating between Stoke town hall and a pub round the corner. I don't think it was just the drink nor my tender years (early 20's then) but I remember it as a night of hope and optimism. 13 years later I was glad to be rid of them. Blairs religious wars, the spending of money that was never there, the throwing open of our borders for their own electoral gain, oh and of course the end of boom and bust (not forgetting of course that it was actually labour who introduced tuition fees, started the privitisation of the nhs and the devolution experiment that's going so well). How any of them had the nerve to show their faces properly still pisses me off. It seems many more agreed with me, with the electoral kicking handed out to Miliband and Balls. I've listened with interest to much of what Corbyn has said and find him to be totally unelectable. His solution instead of finding a radical 21st century solution seems more like the 1970's. For all I find his views quite refreshing and honest, his chances of being PM are only slightly better than my own! I can't see myself returning to a labour voter in 2020, although in fairness the other 3 candidates are also quite poor and shows how lacking in talent the labour party currently are. I'm sure that "old" labour party members are pleased as punch that the good old days are returning. But for labour the good old days were spent almost totally in opposition and that's where they'll end up with Corbyn as leader. Err, yeah ok. Thanks. 8-) Only too happy to oblige. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 13, 2015 15:23:04 GMT
Don't know about anybody else but i'd be really interested to hear what ukip supporters think about the Labour leadership. Come on chaps don't be shy, voice your opinions on a party that you would never ever vote for over and over again so that no other debate can be heard other than your own. Yeah, that sound's like it would be really, really interesting, perhaps you could chuck in a few insults to those that disagree whilst your at it, don't worry about anybody returning the insults because i'm sure a certain poster will chastise them immediately. Seeing as you ask! I was a former labour voter. I spent a night in May 1997 alternating between Stoke town hall and a pub round the corner. I don't think it was just the drink nor my tender years (early 20's then) but I remember it as a night of hope and optimism. 13 years later I was glad to be rid of them. Blairs religious wars, the spending of money that was never there, the throwing open of our borders for their own electoral gain, oh and of course the end of boom and bust (not forgetting of course that it was actually labour who introduced tuition fees, started the privitisation of the nhs and the devolution experiment that's going so well). How any of them had the nerve to show their faces properly still pisses me off. It seems many more agreed with me, with the electoral kicking handed out to Miliband and Balls. I've listened with interest to much of what Corbyn has said and find him to be totally unelectable. His solution instead of finding a radical 21st century solution seems more like the 1970's. For all I find his views quite refreshing and honest, his chances of being PM are only slightly better than my own! I can't see myself returning to a labour voter in 2020, although in fairness the other 3 candidates are also quite poor and shows how lacking in talent the labour party currently are. I'm sure that "old" labour party members are pleased as punch that the good old days are returning. But for labour the good old days were spent almost totally in opposition and that's where they'll end up with Corbyn as leader. Excellent post. That reflects my experience of the Blair years almost precisely (different pub!) |
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Post by thevoid on Aug 13, 2015 15:35:47 GMT
You asked a question and he answered, why the sarky response, Mr Angry? If you don't know why you're even thicker than i'd previously given you credit for. No, no sensible response, only more insults, just as I expected from you, Mr Angry. That's all you left-wing fascists have isn't it, insults aimed at people with a different view to your own. You really are a hate-filled piece of filth aren't you. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 15:38:57 GMT
Err, yeah ok. Thanks. Only too happy to oblige. |
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 13, 2015 16:03:10 GMT
If you don't know why you're even thicker than i'd previously given you credit for. No, no sensible response, only more insults, just as I expected from you, Mr Angry. That's all you left-wing fascists have isn't it, insults aimed at people with a different view to your own. You really are a hate-filled piece of filth aren't you. Hahaha yeah, nothing but hate. How you could come to that conclusion is anyones guess. Believe me, all i'm doing is laughing at you and your outbursts youth. Time doesn't seem to have cured those arguments going on in your own head has it (rhetorical question, thought i'd best point this out).  Any more ukipers want to flood the thread with their views and concerns? They really are very, very interesting. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 16:05:30 GMT
Well , that's pretty much concluded now . We've had the good , the bad and the downright ugly's opinion on this thread .
Labour ....UKIP .....Tory ....and the far left .
From what I've just read it would appear that all those mentioned apart from the far left , do not hold much hope for Labours prospects if Corbyn wins . This is precisely the point the papers have highlighted themselves .
It's not so much about the man or his principles , but his politics . It's also perhaps his image and the way he goes about things focussing his efforts on community groups and ethnic minorities in his constituency . Again , there is nothing wrong with all that as he is merely fulfilling his duties as their MP and as a result is extremely popular .
I think faced with all this evidence and polarised views , one can pretty accurately say that the writing is on the wall .
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 13, 2015 16:10:19 GMT
Well , that's pretty much concluded now . We've had the good , the bad and the downright ugly's opinion on this thread . Labour ....UKIP .....Tory ....and the far left . From what I've just read it would appear that all those mentioned apart from the far left , do not hold much hope for Labours prospects if Corbyn wins . This is precisely the point the papers have highlighted themselves . It's not so much about the man or his principles , but his politics . It's also perhaps his image and the way he goes about things focussing his efforts on community groups and ethnic minorities in his constituency . Again , there is nothing wrong with all that as he is merely fulfilling his duties as their MP and as a result is extremely popular . I think faced with all this evidence and polarised views , one can pretty accurately say that the writing is on the wall . Same issue with Blair , people confuse sincerity with judgement , it's fine to make fundamental mistakes so long as you believed it was the right thing to do . |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 16:24:25 GMT
Well , that's pretty much concluded now . We've had the good , the bad and the downright ugly's opinion on this thread . Labour ....UKIP .....Tory ....and the far left . From what I've just read it would appear that all those mentioned apart from the far left , do not hold much hope for Labours prospects if Corbyn wins . This is precisely the point the papers have highlighted themselves . It's not so much about the man or his principles , but his politics . It's also perhaps his image and the way he goes about things focussing his efforts on community groups and ethnic minorities in his constituency . Again , there is nothing wrong with all that as he is merely fulfilling his duties as their MP and as a result is extremely popular . I think faced with all this evidence and polarised views , one can pretty accurately say that the writing is on the wall . Same issue with Blair , people confuse sincerity with judgement , it's fine to make fundamental mistakes so long as you believed it was the right thing to do . It's what he could deliver and did deliver . He didn't get everything right , but in order to take part in Government you at least have to be IN GOVERNMENT. Therein lies the problem Harry . At the moment the party is discussing who would make the best campaigner .....not the best Prime Minister . If you like talking about Food banks , low pay , ethnic problems , and CND then Corbyn will be your man ..... If you want to talk about the Economy , The EU , Banking and FInance and The next G8 Summit , then he may have to 'phone a friend ' or perhaps ask the audience ..... He would need to get rid of the cap , the bike , the dog , the donkey jacket and shave his beard off too.....because image is everything these days . I'm not saying that this is all wrong , because I'm just the same , but then again , I'm not running for Party leader or Prime Minister ... Vote Insanity ....You know it makes sense .! |
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 13, 2015 16:25:54 GMT
If you don't know why you're even thicker than i'd previously given you credit for. No, no sensible response, only more insults, just as I expected from you, Mr Angry. That's all you left-wing fascists have isn't it, insults aimed at people with a different view to your own. You really are a hate-filled piece of filth aren't you. Correct. That's billy no mates for you. It's how he is , it's his MO. Mr angry and bitter  |
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Post by thevoid on Aug 13, 2015 16:30:18 GMT
No, no sensible response, only more insults, just as I expected from you, Mr Angry. That's all you left-wing fascists have isn't it, insults aimed at people with a different view to your own. You really are a hate-filled piece of filth aren't you. Hahaha yeah, nothing but hate. How you could come to that conclusion is anyones guess. Believe me, all i'm doing is laughing at you and your outbursts youth. Time doesn't seem to have cured those arguments going on in your own head has it (rhetorical question, thought i'd best point this out). Any more ukipers want to flood the thread with their views and concerns? They really are very, very interesting. Great, he's bit About as predictable as John Terry surrounding the ref after a decision goes against Chelsea. I might have you as my new pet project saying as huddysfarleftfoot does his Shergar impression whenever he's asked a question he can't answer. You're not as cerebral as him but you do keep biting, like one of those annoying little yappy dogs. The only one on here renowned for outbursts is you, Mr Angry. And you, laughing? Can't imagine you cackling unless you're pulling the legs of spiders, deep down you're seething. As usual. Oh, and before you call other people thick, can I point out that: You need to insert question marks at the end of every question you put, not just when you feel like it; 'Anyones guess' needs an apostrophe; If you're typing an acronym like UKIP it should be done in capitals. You have got a sense of irony though, I'll give you that  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 16:55:12 GMT
Here's a little stat for those of you who like conspiracy theories .....
Before the election labour had 200'000 members eligible to vote .
Currently the figure stands at 610,000
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 13, 2015 16:56:39 GMT
Same issue with Blair , people confuse sincerity with judgement , it's fine to make fundamental mistakes so long as you believed it was the right thing to do . It's what he could deliver and did deliver . He didn't get everything right , but in order to take part in Government you at least have to be IN GOVERNMENT. Therein lies the problem Harry . At the moment the party is discussing who would make the best campaigner .....not the best Prime Minister . If you like talking about Food banks , low pay , ethnic problems , and CND then Corbyn will be your man ..... If you want to talk about the Economy , The EU , Banking and FInance and The next G8 Summit , then he may have to 'phone a friend ' or perhaps ask the audience ..... He would need to get rid of the cap , the bike , the dog , the donkey jacket and shave his beard off too.....because image is everything these days . I'm not saying that this is all wrong , because I'm just the same , but then again , I'm not running for Party leader or Prime Minister ... Vote Insanity ....You know it makes sense .! Labours fundamental problem isn't their social policies or there ideological objectives , one thing is certain they are incapable of creating the wealth or at least creating the conditions within the economy to pay for any of it . This situation has ultimately , always worked against the poorest people in this country . Through loss of jobs , poor pay and cuts in public spending |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 17:29:24 GMT
Don't know about anybody else but i'd be really interested to hear what ukip supporters think about the Labour leadership. Come on chaps don't be shy, voice your opinions on a party that you would never ever vote for over and over again so that no other debate can be heard other than your own. Yeah, that sound's like it would be really, really interesting, perhaps you could chuck in a few insults to those that disagree whilst your at it, don't worry about anybody returning the insults because i'm sure a certain poster will chastise them immediately. If the insults were aimed in your direction I'm sure that a " certain poster " would turn a blind a blind eye completely  |
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 13, 2015 17:33:05 GMT
Here's a little stat for those of you who like conspiracy theories ..... Before the election labour had 200'000 members eligible to vote . Currently the figure stands at 610,000 Maybe we're wrong mumf , corbyn seems very popular all of a sudden |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 17:53:51 GMT
Here's a little stat for those of you who like conspiracy theories ..... Before the election labour had 200'000 members eligible to vote . Currently the figure stands at 610,000 Maybe we're wrong mumf , corbyn seems very popular all of a sudden Too good for them to miss out on at only £3.88 a year ......cheap at half the price , it does make you wonder ? |
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 13, 2015 18:37:46 GMT
Maybe we're wrong mumf , corbyn seems very popular all of a sudden Too good for them to miss out on at only £3.88 a year ......cheap at half the price , it does make you wonder ? You one of the new members then Bisp? |
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 13, 2015 18:49:05 GMT
So, no other ukipers then i see. (capitals and apostrophes left out on purpose for the pedants) full stop. .
Perhaps another thread titled "ukip against anything resembling any kind of opposing view" should be started so you can all wank each other off with your collective angst.
Why are you all so concerned about the predicted demise of Labour should Corbyn get elected? Surely it suits you Farage worshipers.
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 13, 2015 18:59:48 GMT
So, no other ukipers then i see. (capitals and apostrophes left out on purpose for the pedants) full stop. . Perhaps another thread titled "ukip against anything resembling any kind of opposing view" should be started so you can all wank each other off with your collective angst. Why are you all so concerned about the predicted demise of Labour should Corbyn get elected? Surely it suits you Farage worshipers. This proud UKIP voter fully supports Corbyn to become next Labour leader , I hope he wins because that will spell the end for the treacherous Labour party and that is something which will bring me great pleasure  Thumbs up |
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 13, 2015 19:06:25 GMT
So, no other ukipers then i see. (capitals and apostrophes left out on purpose for the pedants) full stop. . Perhaps another thread titled "ukip against anything resembling any kind of opposing view" should be started so you can all wank each other off with your collective angst. Why are you all so concerned about the predicted demise of Labour should Corbyn get elected? Surely it suits you Farage worshipers. This proud UKIP voter fully supports Corbyn to become next Labour leader , I hope he wins because that will spell the end for the teacheous Labour party and that is something which will bring me great pleasure Thumbs up Good for you!! At least you aren't trying to feign concern like every cunt else. Treacherous eh? I agree totally, but lets hope Corbyn fucks that lot off and kick starts a party that represents people over corporations.........for a change. (rhetoric) Don't reply harry i've already guessed your response and know i'll be bang on with it. |
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 13, 2015 19:11:05 GMT
This proud UKIP voter fully supports Corbyn to become next Labour leader , I hope he wins because that will spell the end for the teacheous Labour party and that is something which will bring me great pleasure Thumbs up Good for you!! At least you aren't trying to feign concern like every cunt else. Treacherous eh? I agree totally, but lets hope Corbyn fucks that lot off and kick starts a party that represents people over corporations.........for a change. (rhetoric) Don't reply harry i've already guessed your response and know i'll be bang on with it. I wasn't going to reply but you told me not to so I am doing UKIP is the party that many former Labour voters have turned to , deal with it accept it and get over it , life's too short for all your anger and bitterness and when alls been said and done your opinion, along with mine and everyone else's on this board means sweet FA in the grand scheme of things . I won't be changing the outcome of anything and more to the point neither will you and your ilk. Thumbs up |
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 13, 2015 19:28:54 GMT
As predicted. Interesting "like" there from BJR, and there was me thinking you had genuine concern.....ahem. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 13, 2015 19:45:51 GMT
Well , that's pretty much concluded now . We've had the good , the bad and the downright ugly's opinion on this thread . Labour ....UKIP .....Tory ....and the far left . From what I've just read it would appear that all those mentioned apart from the far left , do not hold much hope for Labours prospects if Corbyn wins . This is precisely the point the papers have highlighted themselves . It's not so much about the man or his principles , but his politics . It's also perhaps his image and the way he goes about things focussing his efforts on community groups and ethnic minorities in his constituency . Again , there is nothing wrong with all that as he is merely fulfilling his duties as their MP and as a result is extremely popular . I think faced with all this evidence and polarised views , one can pretty accurately say that the writing is on the wall . The fucking "papers" mumf? The fucking papers. You do know who owns the vast majority of these don't you. Just the sort of people who are very happy and prosperous with the status quo, just the sort of people who will benefit from the debt being paid down on the back of the weakest in society. The fucking papers, my arse. There is an alternative to austerity. The elite, the establishment, the wealthy just don't want you to explore that route and you fell for it. What a sucker! |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 13, 2015 20:01:48 GMT
Well , that's pretty much concluded now . We've had the good , the bad and the downright ugly's opinion on this thread . Labour ....UKIP .....Tory ....and the far left . From what I've just read it would appear that all those mentioned apart from the far left , do not hold much hope for Labours prospects if Corbyn wins . This is precisely the point the papers have highlighted themselves . It's not so much about the man or his principles , but his politics . It's also perhaps his image and the way he goes about things focussing his efforts on community groups and ethnic minorities in his constituency . Again , there is nothing wrong with all that as he is merely fulfilling his duties as their MP and as a result is extremely popular . I think faced with all this evidence and polarised views , one can pretty accurately say that the writing is on the wall . The fucking "papers" mumf? The fucking papers. You do know who owns the vast majority of these don't you. Just the sort of people who are very happy and prosperous with the status quo, just the sort of people who will benefit from the debt being paid down on the back of the weakest in society. The fucking papers, my arse. There is an alternative to austerity. The elite, the establishment, the wealthy just don't want you to explore that route and you fell for it. What a sucker! Isn't that part of the problem though Sheik? Because Corbyn is up against the powerful and the media , he does not stand much chance of being elected PM. That of course does not stop people fighting for what they believe in. Good Luck, but I just can't see him being elected PM .I hope he does become Labour Leader though. On the issue of CND/NATO alone he will be torn apart , in my opinion of course. His biggest critics are from within he party at the moment , so he will have a battle there. I have been wrong many times before....I guess it will be interesting if the Tories have a catastrophe/crisis (Europe? Immigration?) and the electorate turn to Corbyn, because he is not Cameron |
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 13, 2015 20:02:42 GMT
As predicted. Interesting "like" there from BJR, and there was me thinking you had genuine concern.....ahem. You would say that So predictable |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 13, 2015 20:34:56 GMT
The fucking "papers" mumf? The fucking papers. You do know who owns the vast majority of these don't you. Just the sort of people who are very happy and prosperous with the status quo, just the sort of people who will benefit from the debt being paid down on the back of the weakest in society. The fucking papers, my arse. There is an alternative to austerity. The elite, the establishment, the wealthy just don't want you to explore that route and you fell for it. What a sucker! Isn't that part of the problem though Sheik? Because Corbyn is up against the powerful and the media , he does not stand much chance of being elected PM. That of course does not stop people fighting for what they believe in. Good Luck, but I just can't see him being elected PM .I hope he does become Labour Leader though. On the issue of CND/NATO alone he will be torn apart , in my opinion of course. His biggest critics are from within he party at the moment , so he will have a battle there. I have been wrong many times before....I guess it will be interesting if the Tories have a catastrophe/crisis (Europe? Immigration?) and the electorate turn to Corbyn, because he is not Cameron Oh the hurdles he faces are most likely insurmountable, bjr. He is already being traduced on a personal and political level by those who will fight tooth and nail to retain the status quo. Something is happening here though. This is a 66 year old man who considers style not relevant in public office, who isn't a particularly strong orator and he is winning over people (and young people at that) with ideas. Different ways of looking at things. Belief that society could and should be fairer. Only 24% of those eligible to vote bought into the Tory myth, people do want something else. Corbyn might not ultimately be the man to deliver it but his ideas, his absolute conviction and his downright decency are certainly shifting political ground. |
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