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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 20:37:16 GMT
Well , that's pretty much concluded now . We've had the good , the bad and the downright ugly's opinion on this thread . Labour ....UKIP .....Tory ....and the far left . From what I've just read it would appear that all those mentioned apart from the far left , do not hold much hope for Labours prospects if Corbyn wins . This is precisely the point the papers have highlighted themselves . It's not so much about the man or his principles , but his politics . It's also perhaps his image and the way he goes about things focussing his efforts on community groups and ethnic minorities in his constituency . Again , there is nothing wrong with all that as he is merely fulfilling his duties as their MP and as a result is extremely popular . I think faced with all this evidence and polarised views , one can pretty accurately say that the writing is on the wall . The fucking "papers" mumf? The fucking papers. You do know who owns the vast majority of these don't you. Just the sort of people who are very happy and prosperous with the status quo, just the sort of people who will benefit from the debt being paid down on the back of the weakest in society. The fucking papers, my arse. There is an alternative to austerity. The elite, the establishment, the wealthy just don't want you to explore that route and you fell for it. What a sucker! Has it ever crossed your mind for just one moment that the right wing of the Labour Party poses a much greater risk to the Tories than ever Corbyn does ? The reason being that it is far more appealing and electable . It's not in the media's interest at all to be broadcasting how well Corbyn is doing if you think about it , but let's not dwell . The very same message applies to your point on austerity too . It's the Labour Party ..(our party) that presided over the period of burdening debt and as a result the country is now paying that back through our taxes . I concede the point that it's the poor who always suffer the most in such circumstances , but never the less I fail to see the appeal of someone who is making the point that there is an alternative to austerity , when infact there isn't . The only contentious point you may have is how quickly it is paid back . You may want to reflect on your comments , because quite frankly they don't make much sense at all , and that's putting it politely "sucker" .... |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 13, 2015 20:41:42 GMT
Isn't that part of the problem though Sheik? Because Corbyn is up against the powerful and the media , he does not stand much chance of being elected PM. That of course does not stop people fighting for what they believe in. Good Luck, but I just can't see him being elected PM .I hope he does become Labour Leader though. On the issue of CND/NATO alone he will be torn apart , in my opinion of course. His biggest critics are from within he party at the moment , so he will have a battle there. I have been wrong many times before....I guess it will be interesting if the Tories have a catastrophe/crisis (Europe? Immigration?) and the electorate turn to Corbyn, because he is not Cameron Oh the hurdles he faces are most likely insurmountable, bjr. He is already being traduced on a personal and political level by those who will fight tooth and nail to retain the status quo. Something is happening here though. This is a 66 year old man who considers style not relevant in public office, who isn't a particularly strong orator and he is winning over people (and young people at that) with ideas. Different ways of looking at things. Belief that society could and should be fairer. Only 24% of those eligible to vote bought into the Tory myth, people do want something else. Corbyn might not ultimately be the man to deliver it but his ideas, his absolute conviction and his downright decency are certainly shifting political ground. Yes I can agree with that . He has been a breath of fresh air. By all accounts one of the most genuine people you could ever wish to meet, with 'some' good ideas. I still think he would be unelectable, but we may see. Politics/democracy is a bit of a sham. I would guess that many Stoke on Trent people would probably be supporters of Corbyn .....yet their MP is fervently opposed. A clear disconnect there. From the Independent : "But some Kendall supporters will opt for Ms Cooper as their number two and put Mr Burnham as number three. They include Tristram Hunt, the shadow Education Secretary, who has told his party members in Stoke-on-Trent: “I will not be awarding any of my preferences to Jeremy Corbyn.” Mr Hunt admitted there was “obvious popular enthusiasm for him in some parts of the movement,” but said his leadership could pose a “very real risk” to the party’s future." www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-liz-kendall-calls-for-voting-pact-with-rivals-to-prevent-jeremy-corbyn-win-10454622.html |
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 13, 2015 20:43:34 GMT
The fucking "papers" mumf? The fucking papers. You do know who owns the vast majority of these don't you. Just the sort of people who are very happy and prosperous with the status quo, just the sort of people who will benefit from the debt being paid down on the back of the weakest in society. The fucking papers, my arse. There is an alternative to austerity. The elite, the establishment, the wealthy just don't want you to explore that route and you fell for it. What a sucker! Has it ever crossed your mind for just one moment that the right wing of the Labour Party poses a much greater risk to the Tories than ever Corbyn does ? The reason being that it is far more appealing and electable . It's not in the media's interest at all to be broadcasting how well Corbyn is doing if you think about it , but let's not dwell . The very same message applies to your point on austerity too . It's the Labour Party ..(our party) that presided over the period of burdening debt and as a result the country is now paying that back through our taxes . I concede the point that it's the poor who always suffer the most in such circumstances , but never the less I fail to see the appeal of someone who is making the point that there is an alternative to austerity , when infact there isn't . The only contentious point you may have is how quickly it is paid back . You may want to reflect on your comments , because quite frankly they don't make much sense at all , and that's putting it politely "sucker" .... And repeat.........over and over. (our party)...........my arse. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 13, 2015 20:44:35 GMT
Oh the hurdles he faces are most likely insurmountable, bjr. He is already being traduced on a personal and political level by those who will fight tooth and nail to retain the status quo. Something is happening here though. This is a 66 year old man who considers style not relevant in public office, who isn't a particularly strong orator and he is winning over people (and young people at that) with ideas. Different ways of looking at things. Belief that society could and should be fairer. Only 24% of those eligible to vote bought into the Tory myth, people do want something else. Corbyn might not ultimately be the man to deliver it but his ideas, his absolute conviction and his downright decency are certainly shifting political ground. Yes I can agree with that . He has been a breath of fresh air. By all accounts one of the most genuine people you could ever wish to meet, with 'some' good ideas. I still think he would be unelectable, but we may see. Politics/democracy is a bit of a sham. I would guess that many Stoke on Trent people would probably be supporters of Corbyn .....yet their MP is fervently opposed. A clear disconnect there. From the Independent : "But some Kendall supporters will opt for Ms Cooper as their number two and put Mr Burnham as number three. They include Tristram Hunt, the shadow Education Secretary, who has told his party members in Stoke-on-Trent: “I will not be awarding any of my preferences to Jeremy Corbyn.” Mr Hunt admitted there was “obvious popular enthusiasm for him in some parts of the movement,” but said his leadership could pose a “very real risk” to the party’s future." www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-liz-kendall-calls-for-voting-pact-with-rivals-to-prevent-jeremy-corbyn-win-10454622.htmlI am firmly of the belief that Stoke Central has it's very first Tory MP with Hunt. He is a Thatcherite, pure and simple. |
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Post by boothenboy75 on Aug 13, 2015 20:49:34 GMT
Isn't that part of the problem though Sheik? Because Corbyn is up against the powerful and the media , he does not stand much chance of being elected PM. That of course does not stop people fighting for what they believe in. Good Luck, but I just can't see him being elected PM .I hope he does become Labour Leader though. On the issue of CND/NATO alone he will be torn apart , in my opinion of course. His biggest critics are from within he party at the moment , so he will have a battle there. I have been wrong many times before....I guess it will be interesting if the Tories have a catastrophe/crisis (Europe? Immigration?) and the electorate turn to Corbyn, because he is not Cameron Oh the hurdles he faces are most likely insurmountable, bjr. He is already being traduced on a personal and political level by those who will fight tooth and nail to retain the status quo. Something is happening here though. This is a 66 year old man who considers style not relevant in public office, who isn't a particularly strong orator and he is winning over people (and young people at that) with ideas. Different ways of looking at things. Belief that society could and should be fairer. Only 24% of those eligible to vote bought into the Tory myth, people do want something else. Corbyn might not ultimately be the man to deliver it but his ideas, his absolute conviction and his downright decency are certainly shifting political ground. His biggest problem is that sadly style matters a great deal. I'm pretty sure that most people would agree that it should matter less than it does, but most people complain about press intrusion on the way to buy the latest scandal full rag. Millions of people will never vote for a bloke in a cardigan who they consider a boring old git. Sad but that's 21st century Britain. I'm struggling to come up with a current Labour politician who is worthy of the role. Perhaps if they got down on their knees to Alan Johnson to serve 1 term as interim leader whilst a suitable candidate could be found who had at least a hope of winning an election. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 13, 2015 20:50:34 GMT
Yes I can agree with that . He has been a breath of fresh air. By all accounts one of the most genuine people you could ever wish to meet, with 'some' good ideas. I still think he would be unelectable, but we may see. Politics/democracy is a bit of a sham. I would guess that many Stoke on Trent people would probably be supporters of Corbyn .....yet their MP is fervently opposed. A clear disconnect there. From the Independent : "But some Kendall supporters will opt for Ms Cooper as their number two and put Mr Burnham as number three. They include Tristram Hunt, the shadow Education Secretary, who has told his party members in Stoke-on-Trent: “I will not be awarding any of my preferences to Jeremy Corbyn.” Mr Hunt admitted there was “obvious popular enthusiasm for him in some parts of the movement,” but said his leadership could pose a “very real risk” to the party’s future." www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-liz-kendall-calls-for-voting-pact-with-rivals-to-prevent-jeremy-corbyn-win-10454622.htmlI am firmly of the belief that Stoke Central has it's very first Tory MP with Hunt. He is a Thatcherite, pure and simple. Which does demonstrate the state of the party. It might be a broad church but there are limits. Is there room for the Blairites and Corbynites |
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 13, 2015 20:52:40 GMT
Yes I can agree with that . He has been a breath of fresh air. By all accounts one of the most genuine people you could ever wish to meet, with 'some' good ideas. I still think he would be unelectable, but we may see. Politics/democracy is a bit of a sham. I would guess that many Stoke on Trent people would probably be supporters of Corbyn .....yet their MP is fervently opposed. A clear disconnect there. From the Independent : "But some Kendall supporters will opt for Ms Cooper as their number two and put Mr Burnham as number three. They include Tristram Hunt, the shadow Education Secretary, who has told his party members in Stoke-on-Trent: “I will not be awarding any of my preferences to Jeremy Corbyn.” Mr Hunt admitted there was “obvious popular enthusiasm for him in some parts of the movement,” but said his leadership could pose a “very real risk” to the party’s future." www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-liz-kendall-calls-for-voting-pact-with-rivals-to-prevent-jeremy-corbyn-win-10454622.htmlI am firmly of the belief that Stoke Central has it's very first Tory MP with Hunt. He is a Thatcherite, pure and simple. He is actually a Bliarite and he is also a cunt of the highest order, he is sadly the future of the electable Labour party though, Corbyn may well end up elected as so many are registering to vote simply to fuck the Labour party long term, I would actually have time for him if he came out and stood by his convictions he apparently has about getting out the EU, but will he have the backbone  |
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 13, 2015 20:56:14 GMT
The problem with Corbyn thread.
Everyone's out from the woodwork for this one eh?
Full house.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Aug 13, 2015 20:59:16 GMT
The problem with Corbyn thread. Everyone's out from the woodwork for this one eh? Full house. I always find the threads with differing views are the most entertaining. I've also found that threads on say UKIP, attract a broad range of posters. I didn't realise that you had to be a supporter of whatever the thread was about. |
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 13, 2015 21:02:25 GMT
The problem with Corbyn thread. Everyone's out from the woodwork for this one eh? Full house. I always find the threads with differing views are the most entertaining. I've also found that threads on say UKIP, attract a broad range of posters. I didn't realise that you had to be a supporter of whatever the thread was about. He doesn't like different opinions and different views , it makes him feel threatened and in turn that makes him angry. He's all for pointing the finger at the great Farage and UKIP but dare to hold an opposing view of his beloved Labour party and he starts with the name calling , and childish rhetoric , it's what he does , it's his MO , typical far left wing mard arse |
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 13, 2015 21:06:07 GMT
The problem with Corbyn thread. Everyone's out from the woodwork for this one eh? Full house. That bother you does it soft lad, people have opinions on a public message board shocker, if it was the 1980's I would have been chomping at the bit to vote for Corbyn, alas it is 2015 he is a dinosaur with baggage with no balls to stick to his own principals on the EU. |
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 13, 2015 21:07:59 GMT
The problem with Corbyn thread. Everyone's out from the woodwork for this one eh? Full house. That bother you does it soft lad, people have opinions on a public message board shocker, if it was the 1980's I would have been chomping at the bit to vote for Corbyn, alas it is 2015 he is a dinosaur with baggage with no balls to stick to his own principals on the EU. Or the main one ...immigration |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 13, 2015 21:11:23 GMT
A genuine question: Why aren't Jeremy and his supporters members of the Socialist Party? m.socialistparty.org.uk/Surely they would be more at home there than in the 'Blairite' Labour party(ie the actual Labour Party as it stands) I believe the answer is that the Socialist Party would stand little chance of being elected so the best way to power is through an 'accepted' party, ie the Labour Party. (Equally some could argue that Tristram should be in the Conservatives ) |
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Post by yeokel on Aug 13, 2015 21:12:22 GMT
I am firmly of the belief that Stoke Central has it's very first Tory MP with Hunt. He is a Thatcherite, pure and simple. ....I would actually have time for him if he came out and stood by his convictions he apparently has about getting out the EU, but will he have the backbone The snag is that we could all probably agree with him and some of his convictions. It's just that all of them wouldn't suit all of us. I, for example, wouldn't agree with leaving the EU, but do agree with scrapping Trident. |
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 13, 2015 21:14:25 GMT
I always find the threads with differing views are the most entertaining. I've also found that threads on say UKIP, attract a broad range of posters. I didn't realise that you had to be a supporter of whatever the thread was about. He doesn't like different opinions and different views , it makes him feel threatened and in turn that makes him angry. He's all for pointing the finger at the great Farage and UKIP but dare to hold an opposing view of his beloved Labour party and he starts with the name calling , and childish rhetoric , it's what he does , it's his MO , typical far left wing mard arse It is a fact Harry  he can not accept that everyone does not hold his blinkered beliefs, similar to certain religions they are right anyone that does not conform is an enemy, small minded hypocrites. |
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Post by derrida1437 on Aug 13, 2015 21:14:06 GMT
It is amusing to watch people who are openly out and proud about being members of other political groups getting so excited, then angry, then apoplectic about the leadership of another party.
Then there is the equally amusing scene of people claiming to be Labour supporters who have clearly never supported them.
Each to their own. That's entertainment.
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Post by desman2 on Aug 13, 2015 21:14:22 GMT
I think people look at this and see all this infighting and backstabbing and try to figure out how they could do anything beneficial to the country if they cant organise themselves.
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 13, 2015 21:14:39 GMT
A genuine question: Why isn't Jeremy and his supporters members of the Socialist Party? m.socialistparty.org.uk/Surely they would be more at home there than in the 'Blairite' Labour party(ie the actual Labour Party as it stands) I believe the answer is that the Socialist Party would stand little chance of being elected so the best way to power is through an 'accepted' party, ie the Labour Party. (Equally some could argue that Tristram should be in the Conservatives ) What a vile party |
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 13, 2015 21:17:03 GMT
He doesn't like different opinions and different views , it makes him feel threatened and in turn that makes him angry. He's all for pointing the finger at the great Farage and UKIP but dare to hold an opposing view of his beloved Labour party and he starts with the name calling , and childish rhetoric , it's what he does , it's his MO , typical far left wing mard arse It is a fact Harry he can not accept that everyone does not hold his blinkered beliefs, similar to certain religions they are right anyone that does not conform is an enemy, small minded hypocrites. When in reality they are the very thing that they accuse others of been. I couldn't give a fuck who disagrees with me , there will be many that do and that's fine , the world is full of weird and wonderful characters especially in this day and age , it really doesn't phase me , my views are rock solid and won't be swayed by anyone , I'm comfortable and confident in my world view. Billy no mates and his ilk get so angry because deep down they doubt themselves |
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Post by boothenboy75 on Aug 13, 2015 21:21:07 GMT
It is amusing to watch people who are openly out and proud about being members of other political groups getting so excited, then angry, then apoplectic about the leadership of another party. Then there is the equally amusing scene of people claiming to be Labour supporters who have clearly never supported them. Each to their own. That's entertainment. People pretending to be something or someone they're not? Not a chance. :) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 21:25:37 GMT
It is amusing to watch people who are openly out and proud about being members of other political groups getting so excited, then angry, then apoplectic about the leadership of another party. Then there is the equally amusing scene of people claiming to be Labour supporters who have clearly never supported them. Each to their own. That's entertainment. People pretending to be something or someone they're not? Not a chance.     |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 21:28:58 GMT
Too good for them to miss out on at only £3.88 a year ......cheap at half the price , it does make you wonder ?  You one of the new members then Bisp? No I can get a decent pint and a little change for £ 3.88 Billy .....you have to set your priorities accordingly . |
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Post by derrida1437 on Aug 13, 2015 21:32:40 GMT
A genuine question: Why aren't Jeremy and his supporters members of the Socialist Party? m.socialistparty.org.uk/Surely they would be more at home there than in the 'Blairite' Labour party(ie the actual Labour Party as it stands) I believe the answer is that the Socialist Party would stand little chance of being elected so the best way to power is through an 'accepted' party, ie the Labour Party. (Equally some could argue that Tristram should be in the Conservatives ) Not quite. Labour (whether it likes it or not) is a democratic socialist party at its core. By dropping Clause 4 Labour, so the argument goes, it became electable. It still retained its social democratic core, its socialist membership and trade union backing in the main. Jeremy Corbyn has been a Labour Party MP since 1983 and has been a member of the party long before that. He's renowned for ignoring party whips even in opposition. Which is fine given he's a conviction politician and he loves the Labour Party. If he didn't he's had ample opportunity to join another political party. Some of Corbyn's genuine supporters are members of the Socialist Party. Some of them are also Greens. The vast majority of them, though, are Labour Party members. The Labour Party isn't Blairite - the leadership is/was and has been since the mid-1990's. That's kind of the point of the leadership debate and why Corbyn is proving popular with grassroots members. Tristram Hunt is Blairite; that's not the same as Conservatism. |
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Post by desman2 on Aug 13, 2015 21:34:44 GMT
Why would anyone pay a political party to give them an idea that you support them. If you were committed youd take membership. Ironic though they could potentially get undone by vote rigging when they more or less introduced it to mainstream elections.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 21:38:35 GMT
People pretending to be something or someone they're not? Not a chance. As if anybody would eh ?  |
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 13, 2015 21:39:30 GMT
People pretending to be something or someone they're not? Not a chance. Nailed on he is here again sad act living proof that care in the community was a failure. |
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Post by derrida1437 on Aug 13, 2015 21:41:11 GMT
Why would anyone pay a political party to give them an idea that you support them. If you were committed youd take membership. Ironic though they could potentially get undone by vote rigging when they more or less introduced it to mainstream elections. Yeah, I'm with you on the membership thing. It's probably the most openly democratic leadership election there's been in this country. We can only hope they weed out any potential voter-induced fraud. |
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 13, 2015 21:42:46 GMT
As if anybody would eh ? I am Spartacus by the way |
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Post by derrida1437 on Aug 13, 2015 21:53:56 GMT
Priceless.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 21:59:47 GMT
As if anybody would eh ? I am Spartacus by the way Of course you are mate .......aren't we all for that matter ? ;  |
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he can not accept that everyone does not hold his blinkered beliefs, similar to certain religions they are right anyone that does not conform is an enemy, small minded hypocrites. 
