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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 12, 2015 22:09:57 GMT
Oh, not quite sure what your point is. Are you absolving him of blame for all the current issues we face in this country? Not to mention the middle fucking east. The guys been a bit of bell end for a few years now. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 22:13:30 GMT
I understand your views completely .....I just don't agree with them ......so therefore I must be thick because I make light of them .....  I don't need the support of any lackeys or anybody else on here ..... Typical response from the left wing though ....Lets call people names ......childish and pathetic . I've seen mumf and others continually refer to the 'loony left' and say that anyone who supports Corbyn is thick as shit. Funny because I haven't seen you criticise mumf and others, I wonder why  You've not seen me refer to people who support Corbyn as ' thick as shit '. It may well be true , but I haven't said it . You're wrong and you are a liar He has nothing to criticise me for . So , if morals and fair play is that the top of your agenda ,then you need to apologise . |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 22:15:52 GMT
Oh, not quite sure what your point is. Are you absolving him of blame for all the current issues we face in this country? Not to mention the middle fucking east. The guys been a bit of bell end for a few years now. I think he has achieved more than any post war Prime Minister has done , especially for those on the bottom rung of societies ladder . |
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Post by Biblical on Aug 12, 2015 22:25:31 GMT
Sorry but that is not at all correct. Corbyn's platform is a solid one that puts British people first and foremost. Not millionaires and corporates. That's why he's carrying so much momentum. If you cant see it for what it is then I really don't see how you can form an opinion around the issue. It's not hard to understand. My opinion is based on the fact that I was a paid trade unionist official . Someone who has met scores of Labour MPs past and present . Someone who has been there , seen it and done it . I have been to many union conferences around the country ....Blackpool , Hastings , Morecambe .et etc ...as a delegate and speaker . What exactly do you base your wise words of wisdom on ? Have you ever represented anyone other than yourself ? What practical experience of trade unionism do you have ? How many times have you been to conferences ? Politics is about winners and winning ....not losers and losing . The level of stupidity and thick pig ignorance on this board is something to behold Vote Corbyn and you will never win an election . If that's what's important to you , then do it . It's fucking idiotic beyond belief . I've seen the unprecedented support ....they're mainly imposters who know how important it is for them to get Corbyn elected . Already over a thousand applications have been thrown out ......FFS ! How fucking blinkered do you have to be ....? How long do you want to be in the shadows . .? By the next election Labour will be the third party behind UKIP . That's the reality of the situation . That's why over four million voted for Farage ......EX LABOUR supporters ....Harry Carps BIg John ...etc .... There's plenty more where that came from too . But let's not stop there ....let's look over the border in Scotland . The home of guaranteed rock solid Labour Support......Gone ....FInished ....wiped out and humiliated . The End . Well this is a bit awkward mumf. There's a few gems from you in there such as 'the level of stupidity and thick pig ignorance on this board is something to behold' And another 'it's fucking idiotic beyond belief' You're saying these things because some on this board hold a different opinion to you, because they're sticking up for Corbyn. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 22:45:48 GMT
I wouldn't call it awkward , well not for me .
Having an opinion is one thing , but votiing simply to follow your own convictions and ultimate defeat is recklessly stupid .
Perhaps in hindsight , your invention was more suitable .
You see , these mistakes have been made before by the party .
If you don't learn the lessons that history provides , then you simply make the mistakes again .
In modern society , the differences are even more profound .
I'm sure that if Lemmings had a health and safety executive then they would not attempt their death defying Behaviour.....but they are animals after all .
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Post by Biblical on Aug 12, 2015 22:57:17 GMT
I wouldn't call it awkward , well not for me . Having an opinion is one thing , but votiing simply to follow your own convictions and ultimate defeat is recklessly stupid . Perhaps in hindsight , your invention was more suitable . You see , these mistakes have been made before by the party . If you don't learn the lessons that history provides , then you simply make the mistakes again . In modern society , the differences are even more profound . I'm sure that if Lemmings had a health and safety executive then they would not attempt their death defying Behaviour.....but they are animals after all . I'm not getting involved in a personal discussion with you I'm simply stating the facts. You used the words 'thick' 'stupid' and 'ignorant' when replying to someone who was showing support to Corbyn and who hadn't directed any insults towards yourself. If you want to insult fellow posters like that then no-one can stop you and I'm sure you can take as much as you give it out. I'm just surprised that Bispham decided to take a pop at Wizard for insults directed towards you when you're clearly guilty of dishing out insults yourself, and yet Bispham hasn't taken a pop at you for it. There's no consistency there. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 23:05:52 GMT
I wouldn't call it awkward , well not for me . Having an opinion is one thing , but votiing simply to follow your own convictions and ultimate defeat is recklessly stupid . Perhaps in hindsight , your invention was more suitable . You see , these mistakes have been made before by the party . If you don't learn the lessons that history provides , then you simply make the mistakes again . In modern society , the differences are even more profound . I'm sure that if Lemmings had a health and safety executive then they would not attempt their death defying Behaviour.....but they are animals after all . I'm not getting involved in a personal discussion with you I'm simply stating the facts. You used the words 'thick' 'stupid' and 'ignorant' when replying to someone who was showing support to Corbyn and who hadn't directed any insults towards yourself. If you want to insult fellow posters like that then no-one can stop you and I'm sure you can take as much as you give it out. I'm just surprised that Bispham decided to take a pop at Wizard for insults directed towards you when you're clearly guilty of dishing out insults yourself, and yet Bispham hasn't taken a pop at you for it. There's no consistency there. Well let's clear things up shall we ..... First of all , I didn't call anyone " as thick as shit " ...... Secondly , I was called a disingenuous fraud by Wizzardofdribble but to his credit he later apologised . At no time did I personally insult anyone . I certainly didn't 'invent' any phrases like you have just done either , namely calling someone "as thick as shit " as you suggest . If I had , Then I would have done the same as he did ...and apologise . It's called common decency . You should do the same , but I'm not holding my breath , because I am well aware of the calibre and intellect of the person I'm dealing with . Goodnight . |
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Post by Biblical on Aug 13, 2015 7:38:35 GMT
I'm not getting involved in a personal discussion with you I'm simply stating the facts. You used the words 'thick' 'stupid' and 'ignorant' when replying to someone who was showing support to Corbyn and who hadn't directed any insults towards yourself. If you want to insult fellow posters like that then no-one can stop you and I'm sure you can take as much as you give it out. I'm just surprised that Bispham decided to take a pop at Wizard for insults directed towards you when you're clearly guilty of dishing out insults yourself, and yet Bispham hasn't taken a pop at you for it. There's no consistency there. Well let's clear things up shall we ..... First of all , I didn't call anyone " as thick as shit " ...... Secondly , I was called a disingenuous fraud by Wizzardofdribble but to his credit he later apologised . At no time did I personally insult anyone . I certainly didn't 'invent' any phrases like you have just done either , namely calling someone "as thick as shit " as you suggest . If I had , Then I would have done the same as he did ...and apologise . It's called common decency . You should do the same , but I'm not holding my breath , because I am well aware of the calibre and intellect of the person I'm dealing with . Goodnight . I'm happy to clear things up mumf, there is a slight (very slight) difference between calling people 'thick' and 'thick as shit'. You didn't use the exact phrase 'thick as shit' so for that I'll hold my hands up and admit I got it slightly wrong. However to clear things up further you've said in reply to deadwood you said 'If that's what's important to you , then do it . It's fucking idiotic beyond belief .' which is a personal insult. You also said ' The level of stupidity and thick pig ignorance on this board is something to behold' now rather than personally insulting one person here you've taken it one step further and decided to insult a whole group of people on the board just because they don't share your opinion. Bispham wanted to criticise Wizard and the 'left' for resorting to petty insults and bringing down the level of debate and my very simple point is that he should include you and others in that criticism as well. Have a good day. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 8:31:39 GMT
Well let's clear things up shall we ..... First of all , I didn't call anyone " as thick as shit " ...... Secondly , I was called a disingenuous fraud by Wizzardofdribble but to his credit he later apologised . At no time did I personally insult anyone . I certainly didn't 'invent' any phrases like you have just done either , namely calling someone "as thick as shit " as you suggest . If I had , Then I would have done the same as he did ...and apologise . It's called common decency . You should do the same , but I'm not holding my breath , because I am well aware of the calibre and intellect of the person I'm dealing with . Goodnight . I'm happy to clear things up mumf, there is a slight (very slight) difference between calling people 'thick' and 'thick as shit'. You didn't use the exact phrase 'thick as shit' so for that I'll hold my hands up and admit I got it slightly wrong. However to clear things up further you've said in reply to deadwood you said 'If that's what's important to you , then do it . It's fucking idiotic beyond belief .' which is a personal insult. You also said ' The level of stupidity and thick pig ignorance on this board is something to behold' now rather than personally insulting one person here you've taken it one step further and decided to insult a whole group of people on the board just because they don't share your opinion. Bispham wanted to criticise Wizard and the 'left' for resorting to petty insults and bringing down the level of debate and my very simple point is that he should include you and others in that criticism as well. Have a good day. You weren't slightly wrong .....You were totally wrong . But like I predicted you haven't apologised . Tony Blair this morning said that if Corbyn wins this leadership race that the Labour Party faces annihilation . He's not wrong either .  ......and every day is a nice one when you do a job you love .  Bye now ...  Mumf |
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Post by Biblical on Aug 13, 2015 9:00:34 GMT
I'm happy to clear things up mumf, there is a slight (very slight) difference between calling people 'thick' and 'thick as shit'. You didn't use the exact phrase 'thick as shit' so for that I'll hold my hands up and admit I got it slightly wrong. However to clear things up further you've said in reply to deadwood you said 'If that's what's important to you , then do it . It's fucking idiotic beyond belief .' which is a personal insult. You also said ' The level of stupidity and thick pig ignorance on this board is something to behold' now rather than personally insulting one person here you've taken it one step further and decided to insult a whole group of people on the board just because they don't share your opinion. Bispham wanted to criticise Wizard and the 'left' for resorting to petty insults and bringing down the level of debate and my very simple point is that he should include you and others in that criticism as well. Have a good day. You weren't slightly wrong .....You were totally wrong . But like I predicted you haven't apologised . Tony Blair this morning said that if Corbyn wins this leadership race that the Labour Party faces annihilation . He's not wrong either . ......and every day is a nice one when you do a job you love . Bye now ... Mumf I slightly misquoted you mumf and I've admitted that I was wrong, I maintain I'm only slightly wrong because whether you call people 'thick' or 'thick as shit' it's roughly the same thing and it's an unnecessary insult that brings down the level of debate. I've since quoted exactly what you said and it was rude, insulting and condescending so the point I made still stands. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 13, 2015 9:09:28 GMT
Oh, not quite sure what your point is. Are you absolving him of blame for all the current issues we face in this country? Not to mention the middle fucking east. The guys been a bit of bell end for a few years now. I think he has achieved more than any post war Prime Minister has done , especially for those on the bottom rung of societies ladder . That doesn't mean that he's not pissing me off though with his comments. That was my original point. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 13, 2015 10:20:18 GMT
Alan Johnson's take on the Corbyn leadership bid: leftfootforward.org/2015/06/an-open-letter-to-jeremy-corbyn/Alan always comes over very well , a man of the people , cuts to the chase, exudes reasoned commonsense. Many within the party wanted him to go for the role, and he would have stood a good chance. In the article he picks up on Corbyn's foreign policy, particularly in respect of the Palestinian issue. Corbyn , as leader , will have to face and expect scrutiny from all corners, it goes with the territory . To think otherwise would be ridiculous, as Leader of the opposition and potential PM. Chukka realised this and wanted out after one day. At present most of this criticism is coming from within the party , because unity ( and self preservation? ) is the issue. Corbyn will have to explain , reassure or clarify his position in respect of Judaism, should he want the Jewish vote. And in this case it is easy to criticise him for anti semitism not JUST anti zionism....Given his past activity it is an easy accusation to make of him and it is very difficult him to get his point across in a media used to sound bites and with an agenda. To be clear for my part I am sure that Corbyn is NOT anti semitic. I think that he was absolutely right to talk to Hamas . He genuinely did so to help to achieve peace. Unfortunately that dispute is such that you are only allowed to take sides, to be for or against.Jeremy's problem then is to try to make his position clear to people who don't want to listen and who demand a for or against stance .....which is why ultimately the odds are that he will fail, in my opinion, but we shall see. |
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 13, 2015 10:27:43 GMT
Alan Johnson's take on the Corbyn leadership bid: leftfootforward.org/2015/06/an-open-letter-to-jeremy-corbyn/Alan always comes over very well , a man of the people , cuts to the chase, exudes reasoned commonsense. Many within the party wanted him to go for the role, and he would have stood a good chance. In the article he picks up on Corbyn's foreign policy, particularly in respect of the Palestinian issue. Corbyn , as leader , will have to face and expect scrutiny from all corners, it goes with the territory . To think otherwise would be ridiculous, as Leader of the opposition and potential PM. Chukka realised this and wanted out after one day. At present most of this criticism is coming from within the party , because unity ( and self preservation? ) is the issue. Corbyn will have to explain , reassure or clarify his position in respect of Judaism, should he want the Jewish vote. And in this case it is easy to criticise him for anti semitism not JUST anti zionism....Given his past activity it is an easy accusation to make of him and it is very difficult him to get his point across in a media used to sound bites and with an agenda. To be clear for my part I am sure that Corbyn is NOT anti semitic. I think that he was absolutely right to talk to Hamas . He genuinely did so to help to achieve peace. Unfortunately that dispute is such that you are only allowed to take sides, to be for or against.Jeremy's problem then is to try to make his position clear to people who don't want to listen and who demand a for or against stance .....which is why ultimately the odds are that he will fail, in my opinion, but we shall see. Can't stand Blair but I have to agree with the two faced snake on this one www.timesofisrael.com/uk-labour-front-runner-scrutinized-for-ties-to-anti-semites-extremists/And anti semitism has no place in modern Britain and nor does any other forms of racism such as the anti white comments made by Abbott |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 10:32:10 GMT
I think he has achieved more than any post war Prime Minister has done , especially for those on the bottom rung of societies ladder . That doesn't mean that he's not pissing me off though with his comments. That was my original point. I'm not sure what it is exactly that you don't like . I'm not really bothered to be honest , suffice to say that his record in the Middle East would have been replicated by any Tory Prime Minister and all his decisions were backed fully in the decision making progress . I suppose it might not sit well with many posters agenda on here , but the facts are undeniable . The man was a leader ...a proper leader and a winner . He played the statesman role with consummate ease and the Tories at their own game .....and won. His comments in relation to the leadership battle come as no great surprise . Annihilation . I suppose if you had managed to turn around the Labour parties fortunes , then you would not want to see it all destroyed by the left wing of the party . All you then become is a party of protest . A party that the electorate hates with a deep seated passion . A party that is big on following its convictions but is totally unable to see them through . "You have to be in it ' to win it " as they say . We are not "in it " at the moment after Millibands tenure , and if Corbyn is elected as leader , then we enter a period of opposition that at the very least could take 10 years to turn around ....if ever if Tony Blairs comments are anything to go by . Mine isnt so much of an opinion , but instead a foregone conclusion . If Miliband can't form a coalition government , then what makes us think that Corbyn is going to do any better ...? He's even further to the left . This electoral process has turned into a unmitigated disaster . All this bullshit about the need to have this debate as to policy change is literally dragging the party to its knees . It's self destruction on a massive scale . For me personally , I'm of the opinion that however nice a man Corbyn appears to be , he should still stand down for the general well being and preserve of the party in the future . There are no ifs and buts on this one ....It's shit or bust .. Game over for Labour . |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 13, 2015 10:34:47 GMT
Having an opinion is one thing , but votiing simply to follow your own convictions and ultimate defeat is recklessly stupid . 'StokeHarry liked this post'  |
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 13, 2015 10:39:14 GMT
I'm happy to clear things up mumf, there is a slight (very slight) difference between calling people 'thick' and 'thick as shit'. You didn't use the exact phrase 'thick as shit' so for that I'll hold my hands up and admit I got it slightly wrong. However to clear things up further you've said in reply to deadwood you said 'If that's what's important to you , then do it . It's fucking idiotic beyond belief .' which is a personal insult. You also said ' The level of stupidity and thick pig ignorance on this board is something to behold' now rather than personally insulting one person here you've taken it one step further and decided to insult a whole group of people on the board just because they don't share your opinion. Bispham wanted to criticise Wizard and the 'left' for resorting to petty insults and bringing down the level of debate and my very simple point is that he should include you and others in that criticism as well. Have a good day. You weren't slightly wrong .....You were totally wrong Thought you were on about the pissed up angry communist there for a second |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 13, 2015 10:43:24 GMT
I'm not sure what Blair is upset about. He will find conditions in his prison much more humane under a Corbyn Government when he is finally convicted of his heinous war crimes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 10:44:00 GMT
You weren't slightly wrong .....You were totally wrong Thought you were on about the pissed up angry communist there for a second This is what happens to your brain when you drink large volumes of cheap Russian vodka and can't get a job ..... |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 13, 2015 10:50:23 GMT
That doesn't mean that he's not pissing me off though with his comments. That was my original point. I'm not sure what it is exactly that you don't like . I'm not really bothered to be honest , suffice to say that his record in the Middle East would have been replicated by any Tory Prime Minister and all his decisions were backed fully in the decision making progress . I suppose it might not sit well with many posters agenda on here , but the facts are undeniable . The man was a leader ...a proper leader and a winner . He played the statesman role with consummate ease and the Tories at their own game .....and won. His comments in relation to the leadership battle come as no great surprise . Annihilation . I suppose if you had managed to turn around the Labour parties fortunes , then you would not want to see it all destroyed by the left wing of the party . All you then become is a party of protest . A party that the electorate hates with a deep seated passion . A party that is big on following its convictions but is totally unable to see them through . "You have to be in it ' to win it " as they say . We are not "in it " at the moment after Millibands tenure , and if Corbyn is elected as leader , then we enter a period of opposition that at the very least could take 10 years to turn around ....if ever if Tony Blairs comments are anything to go by . Mine isnt so much of an opinion , but instead a foregone conclusion . If Miliband can't form a coalition government , then what makes us think that Corbyn is going to do any better ...? He's even further to the left . This electoral process has turned into a unmitigated disaster . All this bullshit about the need to have this debate as to policy change is literally dragging the party to its knees . It's self destruction on a massive scale . For me personally , I'm of the opinion that however nice a man Corbyn appears to be , he should still stand down for the general well being and preserve of the party in the future . There are no ifs and buts on this one ....It's shit or bust .. Game over for Labour . I don't like the bloke, it's a personal opinion. You said he was this, he was that - the operative word being WAS. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 13, 2015 11:04:00 GMT
Cooper is the latest to have a go at Jeremy, at least he is setting the agenda.
“And at a time when we are dealing with a global climate change threat, when international borders have ebbed, when extremism doesn’t recognise nations and when we need to work together more than ever, is it really radical to quit Nato, to prevaricate over membership of the EU or trash our reputation as an internationalist party. I say no.”
Eventually, when he is leader, I think that he will come out in favour of an EU exit. Just my guess.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 13, 2015 11:42:18 GMT
Cooper is the latest to have a go at Jeremy, at least he is setting the agenda. “And at a time when we are dealing with a global climate change threat, when international borders have ebbed, when extremism doesn’t recognise nations and when we need to work together more than ever, is it really radical to quit Nato, to prevaricate over membership of the EU or trash our reputation as an internationalist party. I say no.” Eventually, when he is leader, I think that he will come out in favour of an EU exit. Just my guess. In the absence of them having anything new, engaging, radical or inspiring to say, it was inevitable that the character assassinations from his own side would start. On May 7th anyone with any feeling for real Labour values was bereft. The most vicious, poor hating, economic right wing filth had a "mandate" to finish their destruction with just 24% of the electorate acting as their warrant. All people with left leaning sympathies could look forward to was 5 years of a Labour Party arguing for a route so minutely different that all it served to do was legitimise the abhorrent stance of the Tories. Softer rhetoric, same reprehensible outcome for the worst off in our society. There is a different way and although the vested interests, the rich, the powerful, the media moguls will tell you there isn't, (and whether Jeremy Corbyn could ever garner enough support to implement a different way is largely irrelevant). There is an anti austerity way, it is a viable alternative and the Labour Party's role and it's very reason for existence should see them campaign for that alternative. Corbynmania or whatever dreadful tag its been given is not imagined it's real. Burnham, Cooper and Kendall offer no hope and no difference to the lives young people in particular. The Centre Left economic orthodoxy of Blair, Clinton and others has failed them. Corbyn gives them hope. |
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 13, 2015 12:05:09 GMT
Don't know about anybody else but i'd be really interested to hear what ukip supporters think about the Labour leadership. Come on chaps don't be shy, voice your opinions on a party that you would never ever vote for over and over again so that no other debate can be heard other than your own. Yeah, that sound's like it would be really, really interesting, perhaps you could chuck in a few insults to those that disagree whilst your at it, don't worry about anybody returning the insults because i'm sure a certain poster will chastise them immediately.  |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 13, 2015 12:51:41 GMT
Cooper is the latest to have a go at Jeremy, at least he is setting the agenda. “And at a time when we are dealing with a global climate change threat, when international borders have ebbed, when extremism doesn’t recognise nations and when we need to work together more than ever, is it really radical to quit Nato, to prevaricate over membership of the EU or trash our reputation as an internationalist party. I say no.” Eventually, when he is leader, I think that he will come out in favour of an EU exit. Just my guess. In the absence of them having anything new, engaging, radical or inspiring to say, it was inevitable that the character assassinations from his own side would start. On May 7th anyone with any feeling for real Labour values was bereft. The most vicious, poor hating, economic right wing filth had a "mandate" to finish their destruction with just 24% of the electorate acting as their warrant. All people with left leaning sympathies could look forward to was 5 years of a Labour Party arguing for a route so minutely different that all it served to do was legitimise the abhorrent stance of the Tories. Softer rhetoric, same reprehensible outcome for the worst off in our society. There is a different way and although the vested interests, the rich, the powerful, the media moguls will tell you there isn't, (and whether Jeremy Corbyn could ever garner enough support to implement a different way is largely irrelevant). There is an anti austerity way, it is a viable alternative and the Labour Party's role and it's very reason for existence should see them campaign for that alternative. Corbynmania or whatever dreadful tag its been given is not imagined it's real. Burnham, Cooper and Kendall offer no hope and no difference to the lives young people in particular. The Centre Left economic orthodoxy of Blair, Clinton and others has failed them. Corbyn gives them hope. I agree with the vast majority of what you say there Sheik, Certainly Corbyn offers something different and has exposed the other 3 candidates, leaving them no where to go. He is obviously a genuine, sincere and caring man, something we see very little of in Politics.Also he has connected with some young people, which is to be applauded. The problem he has, as you say. , is having the opportunity to put his thoughts into practice. I don't think that he will be given a chance ,because many of the things already discussed on this thread are stacked against him. One ( of several) big problem that you allude to , is the economy , and related to this, the Unity of the Party. I don't know what is the best route,extreme austerity, a bit of austerity, anti austerity I do believe in trying to live within your means ( which could include borrowing) and investing in the medium and long term. I guess all the candidates would say that. What I do know is that many in the Party, and you only have to look to the link to Cooper, are saying that Jeremy' s economics are lunacy. (I am not saying that , they are) So this makes me conclude that , post the election the party will be split beyond reconciliation. In the long term that may prove to be a good thing, because the choice between Tory and Tory lite, isn't much of a choice. (Although, frighteningly we could end up with a one party state for years to come ) Oh and most importantly I will be pleased when he has to fully commit himself on Europe.The other 3 have gone too far to make a U turn , at least Jeremy used to be anti EU. |
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Post by derrida1437 on Aug 13, 2015 13:10:34 GMT
Billy Not at all. I am interested in the Jewish religion though, and religion in general. I was just aware that Corbyn had spoken to Hamas ( which I agree with, his talking that is), and Hezbollah, so wondered what the Chronicle would think. Unfortunately politically a person has to be either pro-Palestinian or pro-Israeli, not being able to see the possible merits on both sides. Jeremy tried to be a peacemaker Well that's all well and good but i would have thought an intelligent man such as yourself would have treated such an article with the contempt that it deserved rather than post a link on here, as if it was making some pertinent point worthy of discussion.  Spot on. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 13:13:39 GMT
This thread is comedy gold.
Corbyn is a fucking idiot of the highest order so it's no surprise that pretty much every New Labour big name (remember them? they got Labour elected in three elections) is firing out a warning.
The left did their best to protect Miliband and tried to make out that he was the man for the job despite secretly knowing that he was hopeless.
Corbyn is far worse than Miliband. He's nothing more than a mature student and a danger to the nation. He won't get anywhere near running this country but, whilst he's playing billy big bollocks with the Labour Party, he's helping the normal people of the country work out who the real fucking idiots are - the people that think he's capable of running the country.
Fucking deluded.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 13, 2015 13:28:14 GMT
This thread is comedy gold. Corbyn is a fucking idiot of the highest order so it's no surprise that pretty much every New Labour big name (remember them? they got Labour elected in three elections) is firing out a warning. The left did their best to protect Miliband and tried to make out that he was the man for the job despite secretly knowing that he was hopeless. Corbyn is far worse than Miliband. He's nothing more than a mature student and a danger to the nation. He won't get anywhere near running this country but, whilst he's playing billy big bollocks with the Labour Party, he's helping the normal people of the country work out who the real fucking idiots are - the people that think he's capable of running the country. Fucking deluded. Correct Squareball ,He is perceived, by many, as you describe which is why I said he will not get a chance to run the country.Everthing is stacked against him. |
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Post by fentoninbloom on Aug 13, 2015 13:29:21 GMT
I disagree with anyone who thinks that this should be an exercise in electing someone non-committal, bland and insipid enough to win an election.
Voters are sick of the gloss, the lies, the disingenuity, the cynicism and the craven worship of power that's embodied in today's career politicians. And they're sick of New Labour specifically too. So electing the most media friendly, presentable, Murdoch friendly option won't make the blindest bit of difference.
New Labour and the Tories are exactly the same so what's the point in electing Cooper, Kendall or Burnham when they'll just do the same as Cameron and co anyway?
Corbyn is every bit as likely to be elected PM as any of them - namely not very likely at all, since the Labour brand is now unelectable. Not for reasons of being too left-wing, but for reasons of being so obsessed with power that the party under Blair made itself into another Conservative Party in order to taste it.
And they can't deviate from that stance because as a nation we are far more economically right-wing than we used to be - Thatcher and Blair moved the goalposts so extremely towards neoliberalism that many basic economic theories that used to be thought of as mainstream and common sense are now thought of as dangerously left-wing.
So why on earth shouldn't Labour members vote for Corbyn? It makes no difference at all, the country is likely to end up with a Tory-leaning PM either way. If Corbyn only has 0.5% chance of being elected PM, then that's a 0.5% greater chance of avoiding a Tory PM than you'd get with Cooper, Kendall or Burnham.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 13, 2015 13:46:21 GMT
This thread is comedy gold. Corbyn is a fucking idiot of the highest order so it's no surprise that pretty much every New Labour big name (remember them? they got Labour elected in three elections) is firing out a warning. The left did their best to protect Miliband and tried to make out that he was the man for the job despite secretly knowing that he was hopeless. Corbyn is far worse than Miliband. He's nothing more than a mature student and a danger to the nation. He won't get anywhere near running this country but, whilst he's playing billy big bollocks with the Labour Party, he's helping the normal people of the country work out who the real fucking idiots are - the people that think he's capable of running the country. Fucking deluded. You're not really his audience, SB are you? You are the sort of right winger if encountering a starving man in the street would write to the council to get a reduction on your council tax for the indignity of having to walk around him. It's not you Jeremy has got to convince, he leaves the Sun and The Mail to educate you. |
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 13, 2015 14:14:52 GMT
This thread is comedy gold. Corbyn is a fucking idiot of the highest order so it's no surprise that pretty much every New Labour big name (remember them? they got Labour elected in three elections) is firing out a warning. The left did their best to protect Miliband and tried to make out that he was the man for the job despite secretly knowing that he was hopeless. Corbyn is far worse than Miliband. He's nothing more than a mature student and a danger to the nation. He won't get anywhere near running this country but, whilst he's playing billy big bollocks with the Labour Party, he's helping the normal people of the country work out who the real fucking idiots are - the people that think he's capable of running the country. Fucking deluded. Hahahaha. Well i did ask i suppose. |
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Post by boothenboy75 on Aug 13, 2015 14:32:05 GMT
Don't know about anybody else but i'd be really interested to hear what ukip supporters think about the Labour leadership. Come on chaps don't be shy, voice your opinions on a party that you would never ever vote for over and over again so that no other debate can be heard other than your own. Yeah, that sound's like it would be really, really interesting, perhaps you could chuck in a few insults to those that disagree whilst your at it, don't worry about anybody returning the insults because i'm sure a certain poster will chastise them immediately. (whistle) Seeing as you ask! I was a former labour voter. I spent a night in May 1997 alternating between Stoke town hall and a pub round the corner. I don't think it was just the drink nor my tender years (early 20's then) but I remember it as a night of hope and optimism. 13 years later I was glad to be rid of them. Blairs religious wars, the spending of money that was never there, the throwing open of our borders for their own electoral gain, oh and of course the end of boom and bust (not forgetting of course that it was actually labour who introduced tuition fees, started the privitisation of the nhs and the devolution experiment that's going so well). How any of them had the nerve to show their faces properly still pisses me off. It seems many more agreed with me, with the electoral kicking handed out to Miliband and Balls. I've listened with interest to much of what Corbyn has said and find him to be totally unelectable. His solution instead of finding a radical 21st century solution seems more like the 1970's. For all I find his views quite refreshing and honest, his chances of being PM are only slightly better than my own! I can't see myself returning to a labour voter in 2020, although in fairness the other 3 candidates are also quite poor and shows how lacking in talent the labour party currently are. I'm sure that "old" labour party members are pleased as punch that the good old days are returning. But for labour the good old days were spent almost totally in opposition and that's where they'll end up with Corbyn as leader. |
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