deadwood
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Post by deadwood on Aug 10, 2015 11:07:50 GMT
I'm a BMX man mesen.
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 10, 2015 11:28:03 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 10, 2015 11:28:21 GMT
If you come out of the EU all of those people at Calais get sent straight through the Channel Tunnel, with a letter from the EU, saying... "Dear UKIP Thank you for your recent correspondence and for cancelling all previous individual and collective economic and border arrangements. In light of this, the UK Govt will no longer be allowed to hold a border control in Calais (or any other part of the EU) as this forms part of both the EU Economic and Schengen areas. In addition, the governments of the EU member states will no longer have any individual or collective legal obligation to consider UK interests in relation to the issue of migration to and from the EU Economic Area (including previously opted out Schengen Area). Any previous arrangements involving asylum seekers are void in so much as the European Court of Human Rights deems fit and proper. The UK is now exempt from EU immigration and asylum restrictions. UK citizens and workers within the EU economic area will no longer receive the same benefits and rights as EU citizens and workers. As such, UK citizens and workers shall no longer hold the right to free movement. This includes any benefits relating to parity on EU taxation and pay and conditions. In some instances UK citizens and workers may need to pay a border levy in order to enter the EU through some member states. This decision is held entirely at the discretion of individual EU member states. In light of your correspondence, you will also need to pay a tariff in order to trade with the EU Economic Area and Free Trade Zone, should you wish to do so. The terms of trade and the set cost of trade tariff are entirely at the discretion of the EU. We recommend that you consult Norway about this. However it should be noted that Norway has never benefitted from EU Membership and, as such, has no prior knowledge of the fiscal impact of such an economic shift. It should also be noted that, as your decision precludes, you shall be exempt forthwith from any EU-wide fishing, free trade, immigration, economic and diplomatic negotiations and any subsequent agreements borne from them. Any previous agreements relating to these are now null and void. If you would like to arrange individual agreements with individual countries in relation to any part of the Treaties previously held collectively with the EU, you will need to seek independent legal advice. The EU negotiates Treaties on a collective basis and, therefore, any agreement with any individual member states must be agreed to by all member states. We wish you all the very best. EU" Is there any part of the fear and lies that our governments peddle us that you haven't swallowed whole? I remember hearing all of this when they tried to bounce us into the Euro. We were all going to end up on the dole, we would receive no outside investment, we'd end up having to join anyway......blah, blah, blah. All lies and scaremongering for the spineless and the gullible. Those who are really gullible believe it all again now. Seeing as the EU export far more to us than we do to them (the only trading block we run a deficit with), they are not going to cut off their noses to spite their faces. And even if they did, we'd end up doing better overall anyway. They can wave through the few thousand migrants at Calais if they want to. Under international law we could send them back anyway. Again the few thousand at Calais is a drop in the ocean compared to the hundreds of thousands that are waved through every year. Norway is a wonderful country who have had the good sense to never join the EU and have benefitted massively. To bring them up as some sort of case for staying in is most strange. Should we be excluded from Eu wide agreements, this can only be a good thing. Seeing as you brought it up it's hardly gone well for our fishing industry, which has been all but destroyed due to EU agreements. Do you really believe that nay country would start charging a levy at the border for tourists.  And if they did could we not just match this levy at our own border for their tourists. Finally why have you addressed the letter Dear Ukip? There are many sensible folk from all political parties who oppose our EU membership. 8 Excellent post Boothenboy. The very sad thing is that : 1) To an extent we rely on information supplied by others 2) Many, in my opinion , do not realise the full implication of EU membership. It is NOT just about immigration, but wider issues of power and democracy 3) We have signed up to something which is NOT the finished product. The "end result" will be out of "our"control. 4) It is a real issue not just one in which posters just wish to win theoretical arguments on messageboards. 5) The scaremongers do not provide the facts/implications / forecasts of our leaving on the EU. For some reason they have been fed, believe and accept that the UK would collapse without the brave new world .The opposite could be true. As I remember Boothenboy's, I think that we are the world's biggest market for BMW. A Grexit was portrayed as a potential catastrophe for the EU. A Brexit would be ( for many reasons). 6) There will come a point when we will be required to join the Euro....or we will not be in the "real club" At least Corbyn has acknowledged the possibility of leaving.The other 3 could not make such a u turn ,and keep credibility ( sub note; this is not about UKIP but the Labour leadership and (Mumf) cue nit picking.) |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 10, 2015 11:30:20 GMT
I must admit Harry, leaving aside the personal stuff, that is a funny response. |
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 10, 2015 11:44:39 GMT
I must admit Harry, leaving aside the personal stuff, that is a funny response. I'm all for harmless banter and piss taking mate. It's never me that instigates the personal nasty stuff although I'm more than happy to retaliate when certain posters take it down that route . You know who I'm on about  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 15:07:07 GMT
I must admit Harry, leaving aside the personal stuff, that is a funny response. It's fucking tranquillisers he needs not stabilisers....!! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 15:21:36 GMT
I must admit Harry, leaving aside the personal stuff, that is a funny response. It's fucking tranquillisers he needs not stabilisers....!! A padded cell may prove more effective in the short term . |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 15:24:27 GMT
He could share a cell with his alter ego and reminisce....
I'm sure they'll get on fine together...!
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 10, 2015 15:30:28 GMT
I must admit Harry, leaving aside the personal stuff, that is a funny response. It's fucking tranquillisers he needs not stabilisers....!! So is that. I have laughed out loud. Wife is giving me funny looks (more than usual) Must try to keep off the Oatcake |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 10, 2015 15:32:29 GMT
He could share a cell with his alter ego and reminisce.... I'm sure they'll get on fine together...! Brilliant. You and StokeHarry could do a double act, with Bisp and Mr Burrows in the wings (wings, get it?) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 15:44:32 GMT
He could share a cell with his alter ego and reminisce.... I'm sure they'll get on fine together...! Far too many to choose from to avoid confusion . |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 15:46:43 GMT
He could share a cell with his alter ego and reminisce.... I'm sure they'll get on fine together...! Brilliant. You and StokeHarry could do a double act, with Bisp and Mr Burrows in the wings (wings, get it?) In the wings ......I want number 7 on my shirt or nothing |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 10, 2015 21:39:31 GMT
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Aug 10, 2015 21:46:39 GMT
Brilliant. You and StokeHarry could do a double act, with Bisp and Mr Burrows in the wings (wings, get it?) In the wings ......I want number 7 on my shirt or nothing Any number you like, as long as it's brown... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 21:51:36 GMT
In the wings ......I want number 7 on my shirt or nothing Any number you like, as long as it's brown... Unlike some people I've never gone in for a brown shirt Rich.  |
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Post by devondumpling on Aug 11, 2015 14:07:33 GMT
Anyone think Alan Johnson would do a good job (appreciate he won't stand) always seems to talk sense to me.
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deadwood
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Post by deadwood on Aug 11, 2015 14:09:12 GMT
To be honest, it feels like he's riding on the wave behind Nigel Farage's. Both these dudes are offering something different and are engaging voters. Politics is definitely far more interesting with these two in the mix, that's for sure |
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Post by derrida1437 on Aug 11, 2015 14:11:33 GMT
To be honest, it feels like he's riding on the wave behind Nigel Farage's. Both these dudes are offering something different and are engaging voters. Politics is definitely far more interesting with these two in the mix, that's for sure That's it. People are bored of the centre ground. So everyone's gone surfing on the wings. |
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deadwood
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Post by deadwood on Aug 11, 2015 14:17:26 GMT
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Post by derrida1437 on Aug 11, 2015 14:50:43 GMT
Yeah, I know what you mean. The Overton Window is the supposed centre of current opinion, so it can shift. People are bored by it yet they always vote for it at General Elections. It always happens. Britain doesn't like extremes. Owen Jones sort of explains why Corbyn can't win a general election - you can't pretend The Overton Window has shifted that far left as The Tories won the general election only 3 months ago! But hey ho. Nothing's been won yet and no vote has been cast. I wouldn't mind knowing who is taking part in these leadership polls, mind you, as there's no way anyone can verify them. I mean, the most vocal supporters to poll are going to be Corbyn supporters as they're the most bloody vocal and eve one else is just minding their own business. Nobody in Labour has any f'ing clue who's being asked. There is the distinct possibility Labour could delay the election now given the allegations of the last week or so. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 11, 2015 14:52:04 GMT
Overton Farm campsite brings back memories.
Used to be very good.
Does anyone know if it still is?
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deadwood
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Post by deadwood on Aug 11, 2015 15:04:55 GMT
Yeah, I know what you mean. The Overton Window is the supposed centre of current opinion, so it can shift. People are bored by it yet they always vote for it at General Elections. It always happens. Britain doesn't like extremes. Owen Jones sort of explains why Corbyn can't win a general election - you can't pretend The Overton Window has shifted that far left as The Tories won the general election only 3 months ago! But hey ho. Nothing's been won yet and no vote has been cast. I wouldn't mind knowing who is taking part in these leadership polls, mind you, as there's no way anyone can verify them. I mean, the most vocal supporters to poll are going to be Corbyn supporters as they're the most bloody vocal and eve one else is just minding their own business. Nobody in Labour has any f'ing clue who's being asked. There is the distinct possibility Labour could delay the election now given the allegations of the last week or so. Not quite. The Overton Window is the "fixed" metaphorical element. The shifting swirling political hydrodynamics on view inside the window are the movable feast. Thus the centre ground or "window" always appears to be in a geostsatic or fixed position. It's a simple and interesting way of postulating a complex political idea. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 11, 2015 16:41:18 GMT
The Labour party old guard seem very fearful of a Corbyn win. Alastair Campbell has now joined Blair and Kinnock in discrediting his election.
It's definitely a battle for who controls the party, possibly with no winners
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Post by robstokie on Aug 11, 2015 17:06:44 GMT
Very True Boothenboy The position on EU membership is the one issue which the leadership contenders seem to have avoided ( at least as it is the major political issue this country faces at present ). Of the four candidates I believe that Corbyn has been more forthright on this. He seems to he edging his bets on this one as far as I can make out......which I guess is the best he can do as part of this particular campaign. As I understand it ,he has said that he wants to negotiate from within ( impossible actually as our democracy and membership of the concept are contradictory ), but has not ruled out our withdrawal. This is not a UKIP issue but one for the Labour party to address. Correct. I for one hope Corbyn becomes leader of the Labour party because that will finish Labour off. It will be the final nail in Labours coffin. Corbyn only appeals to people that are a crisp short of a packet. He and his views and way of doing things is outdated and Sol Campbell has more chance of become PM . I hope Corbyn becomes Labour leader because seeing Labour rotting from the inside out will be sweet revenge for what they did under Blair . When Labour thought it was funny to open the flood gates and change this country forever due to mass immigration and then to rub our nose in it they destroyed this country and that will never be forgotten or forgiven. Let's hope the gormless and the easily led that support Corbyn get their way because then it will be them that will be getting their noses well and truly rubbed in it. Hell will freeze over before I vote for Labour again. Thankfully the British people do not welcome or want this individual or the Labour party as a whole anymore  Thumbs up Great post mate. To be fair, the majority of his supporters within the party (not including the influx of people looking to rig the vote) are middle-class champagne socialists like him with now idea how the other half live. Buoyed up by his motley crew of do-gooders, uni students and Union Barrons, the party will fall apart. He has no chance of becoming prime-minister because he doesn't have the charisma, engage with the working class or people who get on in life (hes too out of touch eg. he went to grammar school and opposes them, despite the fact he probably never would have got to where he is in life without it) and will look to impose more laws and taxation on everyone, allowing him and his cronies to chuck money at their politically correct agendas. On the other hand, we wont be seeing Labour in power anytime soon |
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deadwood
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Post by deadwood on Aug 11, 2015 17:35:13 GMT
Correct. I for one hope Corbyn becomes leader of the Labour party because that will finish Labour off. It will be the final nail in Labours coffin. Corbyn only appeals to people that are a crisp short of a packet. He and his views and way of doing things is outdated and Sol Campbell has more chance of become PM . I hope Corbyn becomes Labour leader because seeing Labour rotting from the inside out will be sweet revenge for what they did under Blair . When Labour thought it was funny to open the flood gates and change this country forever due to mass immigration and then to rub our nose in it they destroyed this country and that will never be forgotten or forgiven. Let's hope the gormless and the easily led that support Corbyn get their way because then it will be them that will be getting their noses well and truly rubbed in it. Hell will freeze over before I vote for Labour again. Thankfully the British people do not welcome or want this individual or the Labour party as a whole anymore Thumbs up Great post mate. To be fair, the majority of his supporters within the party (not including the influx of people looking to rig the vote) are middle-class champagne socialists like him with now idea how the other half live. Buoyed up by his motley crew of do-gooders, uni students and Union Barrons, the party will fall apart. He has no chance of becoming prime-minister because he doesn't have the charisma, engage with the working class or people who get on in life (hes too out of touch eg. he went to grammar school and opposes them, despite the fact he probably never would have got to where he is in life without it) and will look to impose more laws and taxation on everyone, allowing him and his cronies to chuck money at their politically correct agendas. On the other hand, we wont be seeing Labour in power anytime soon I think youre missing the point here Rob. Corbyn is simply opening up the debate for everyone to consider. It's about time we had some serious introspection into our body politic. |
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 11, 2015 17:39:39 GMT
Correct. I for one hope Corbyn becomes leader of the Labour party because that will finish Labour off. It will be the final nail in Labours coffin. Corbyn only appeals to people that are a crisp short of a packet. He and his views and way of doing things is outdated and Sol Campbell has more chance of become PM . I hope Corbyn becomes Labour leader because seeing Labour rotting from the inside out will be sweet revenge for what they did under Blair . When Labour thought it was funny to open the flood gates and change this country forever due to mass immigration and then to rub our nose in it they destroyed this country and that will never be forgotten or forgiven. Let's hope the gormless and the easily led that support Corbyn get their way because then it will be them that will be getting their noses well and truly rubbed in it. Hell will freeze over before I vote for Labour again. Thankfully the British people do not welcome or want this individual or the Labour party as a whole anymore Thumbs up Great post mate. To be fair, the majority of his supporters within the party (not including the influx of people looking to rig the vote) are middle-class champagne socialists like him with now idea how the other half live. Buoyed up by his motley crew of do-gooders, uni students and Union Barrons, the party will fall apart. He has no chance of becoming prime-minister because he doesn't have the charisma, engage with the working class or people who get on in life (hes too out of touch eg. he went to grammar school and opposes them, despite the fact he probably never would have got to where he is in life without it) and will look to impose more laws and taxation on everyone, allowing him and his cronies to chuck money at their politically correct agendas. On the other hand, we wont be seeing Labour in power anytime soon Correct. He's a hypocrite mate just like those that support him and believe his nonsense. Let's hope he becomes Labour leader though , because that will truly be the end for the Labour party and that will be a good thing for Britain , the working class and society as a whole . And it will piss the leftys off which is always a bonus |
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Post by deadwood on Aug 11, 2015 17:55:08 GMT
Great post mate. To be fair, the majority of his supporters within the party (not including the influx of people looking to rig the vote) are middle-class champagne socialists like him with now idea how the other half live. Buoyed up by his motley crew of do-gooders, uni students and Union Barrons, the party will fall apart. He has no chance of becoming prime-minister because he doesn't have the charisma, engage with the working class or people who get on in life (hes too out of touch eg. he went to grammar school and opposes them, despite the fact he probably never would have got to where he is in life without it) and will look to impose more laws and taxation on everyone, allowing him and his cronies to chuck money at their politically correct agendas. On the other hand, we wont be seeing Labour in power anytime soon Correct. He's a hypocrite mate just like those that support him and believe his nonsense. Let's hope he becomes Labour leader though , because that will truly be the end for the Labour party and that will be a good thing for Britain , the working class and society as a whole . And it will piss the leftys off which is always a bonus What nonense? What is Corbyn saying that is nonsense? Give me one example of his "nonsence" to discuss with you. |
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 11, 2015 18:01:28 GMT
Correct. He's a hypocrite mate just like those that support him and believe his nonsense. Let's hope he becomes Labour leader though , because that will truly be the end for the Labour party and that will be a good thing for Britain , the working class and society as a whole . And it will piss the leftys off which is always a bonus What nonense? What is Corbyn saying that is nonsense? Give me one example of his "nonsence" to discuss with you. Plenty of people on here that will be happy to debate/discuss with you mate, I aren't one of them, I don't feel the need, I will not change my mind on Corbyn despite your best efforts and I doubt anyone else will , this is only the tinter-web after all
Vote UKIP
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Post by salopstick on Aug 11, 2015 18:06:40 GMT
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Post by derrida1437 on Aug 11, 2015 18:24:03 GMT
Yeah, I know what you mean. The Overton Window is the supposed centre of current opinion, so it can shift. People are bored by it yet they always vote for it at General Elections. It always happens. Britain doesn't like extremes. Owen Jones sort of explains why Corbyn can't win a general election - you can't pretend The Overton Window has shifted that far left as The Tories won the general election only 3 months ago! But hey ho. Nothing's been won yet and no vote has been cast. I wouldn't mind knowing who is taking part in these leadership polls, mind you, as there's no way anyone can verify them. I mean, the most vocal supporters to poll are going to be Corbyn supporters as they're the most bloody vocal and eve one else is just minding their own business. Nobody in Labour has any f'ing clue who's being asked. There is the distinct possibility Labour could delay the election now given the allegations of the last week or so. Not quite. The Overton Window is the "fixed" metaphorical element. The shifting swirling political hydrodynamics on view inside the window are the movable feast. Thus the centre ground or "window" always appears to be in a geostsatic or fixed position. It's a simple and interesting way of postulating a complex political idea. Yes, I agree. I take that on board. Probably could have worded what I said better but you're spot on. |
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And if they did could we not just match this levy at our own border for their tourists.
