|
|
Post by kbillyh on Jul 26, 2015 16:02:57 GMT
Like they aren't now, like Labour as Tory light will oppose them? Like they could even reach to those being hit by this unrestrained Tory reign? True to a degree Billy, I just think it could get much, much worse, particularly if there is no effective opposition , and at the moment I don't think there will be I think the Chancellor has asked most but /portfolio holders to prepare for cuts if up to 40 %, and this us just the start. One major issue for me is the lack of genuine hope for young people. Seriously what fo you see as the way forward for Labour and the country? The only effective opposition on the cards is Corbyn. Yes the media and every shithouse with an interest in keeping the status quo are jumping around like lunatics to assassinate him before the very people who he is reaching out to can hear the message. You mention the young, the hardest hit, they have no fucking hope at the moment. Thousands in debt if you go to uni, no chance of ever affording a house, minimum wage, zero hour. Sign on, well you'll have to fucking work for it because the rest of society consider you worthless scumbags else. Austerity as it is is bollocks, nothing to do with balancing the books, it's ideological fascism. Spanking the poor for the mistakes of the money men. And all the right wing say is Labour need another lego man to speak up for the people in order to get elected. Do they fuck. What they need is somebody who actually speaks on their behalf, no cunt else has done it for the last 30 years. |
|
|
|
Post by kbillyh on Jul 26, 2015 16:05:01 GMT
Like you ,huddy , momo and the rest don't offer your opinions on the conservative government . Of course everyone is entitled to an opinion I'm sure there are inaccuracies being spouted about Corbyn as there were about all politicians . All the left seem to care about Cameron and Osborn is where they were educated , not whether they can do the job . How pathetic is that I'd be happy to see corbyn as Labour leader. It would be the final nail in the coffin of that treacherous party. The left are more concerned with a man's wealth and where he was educated as opposed to his ability to govern. Jelousy is a bitch And there you have it........ As if to prove my point. Good old Harry. |
|
|
|
Post by kbillyh on Jul 26, 2015 16:09:13 GMT
Tory light in the main then. So not well documented on the subject matter i put before you then. No. Sorry I don't understand what you're getting at I make points about Corbyn regarding the Labour leadership and you retort with "well documented" facts about other members of the party. That's what i'm getting at. |
|
|
|
Post by kbillyh on Jul 26, 2015 16:15:29 GMT
Sorry I don't understand what you're getting at I very much doubt he does either  Shit fan. Enough said. Pointless cunt to the max, fuck off to the red devil message board or whatever the fuck it's called. Why the fuck you even here? Just to big up bankers and Tories and remind us why Shawcross is a thug wanker from your previous posts. |
|
|
|
Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 26, 2015 16:20:03 GMT
"You mention the young, the hardest hit, they have no fucking hope at the moment. Thousands in debt if you go to uni, no chance of ever affording a house, minimum wage, zero hour. Sign on, well you'll have to fucking work for it because the rest of society consider you worthless scumbags" I entirely agree with the above Billy. Absolute disgrace. Criminal how we treat our youngsters. I have 2 problems with what you say. I agree the media and powerful will absolutely destroy Corbyn, so whatever we on the Oatcake think of his policies or his looks or his beard, he will have no power nor influence whatsoever, and will Infact split the Labour party. Not necessarily his fault , he means well. Secondly I can agree with "blaming the bankers" ( although there are many other issues in the UK). Make them pay, and while we are at it get the tax evaders, tax avoiders expense claimers, corporate crooks , idle rich, and bonus bucaneers. I pay my taxes so have no problem with that.But I have yet to hear a solution which I, as a non economist, can understand with respect to the evil bankers because others tell me that without the Stock Exchange, the Financial sector and the City, in its current form (with as little regulation as possible) this country would collapse. They bring prosperity which somehow helps to fund the NHS etc. Cutting our nose off to spite the face? Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/244912/labour-leadership?page=10#ixzz3h0wZCb3L |
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 16:22:43 GMT
I very much doubt he does either Shit fan. Enough said. Pointless cunt to the max, fuck off to the red devil message board or whatever the fuck it's called. Why the fuck you even here? Just to big up bankers and Tories and remind us why Shawcross is a thug wanker from your previous posts. Meltdown soft lad, toys out of the pram  |
|
|
|
Post by harryburrows on Jul 26, 2015 16:24:43 GMT
Tory light in the main then. So not well documented on the subject matter i put before you then. No. Diane Abott is a Tory light does that explain her racist views. Everyone is entitled to have their own opinions , so long as they walk the talk |
|
|
|
Post by stokeharry on Jul 26, 2015 16:26:12 GMT
I'd be happy to see corbyn as Labour leader. It would be the final nail in the coffin of that treacherous party. The left are more concerned with a man's wealth and where he was educated as opposed to his ability to govern. Jelousy is a bitch And there you have it........ As if to prove my point. Good old Harry. cognitive dissonance from billy sad act no mates  |
|
|
|
Post by stokeharry on Jul 26, 2015 16:28:48 GMT
Sorry I don't understand what you're getting at I very much doubt he does either He doesn't understand much at all mate. He's a bit thick you see . Obviously doesn't get out much bless him |
|
|
|
Post by kbillyh on Jul 26, 2015 16:31:32 GMT
"You mention the young, the hardest hit, they have no fucking hope at the moment. Thousands in debt if you go to uni, no chance of ever affording a house, minimum wage, zero hour. Sign on, well you'll have to fucking work for it because the rest of society consider you worthless scumbags" I entirely agree with the above Billy. Absolute disgrace. Criminal how we treat our youngsters. I have 2 problems with what you say. I agree the media and powerful will absolutely destroy Corbyn, so whatever we on the Oatcake think of his policies or his looks or his beard, he will have no power nor influence whatsoever, and will Infact split the Labour party. Not necessarily his fault , he means well. Secondly I can agree with "blaming the bankers" ( although there are many other issues in the UK). Make them pay, and while we are at it get the tax evaders, tax avoiders expense claimers, corporate crooks , idle rich, and bonus bucaneers. I pay my taxes so have no problem with that.But I have yet to hear a solution which I, as a non economist, can understand with respect to the evil bankers because others tell me that without the Stock Exchange, the Financial sector and the City, in its current form (with as little regulation as possible) this country would collapse. They bring prosperity which somehow helps to fund the NHS etc. Cutting our nose off to spite the face? I would never think the Oatcake message board has influence in the big scheme of things and never should it when you read some of the small minded bullshit. The Labour party needs splitting if it is to truly represent the people it claims to, look what happened to them in Scotland as they stand now, a fucking shambles representing nobody and rightly fucked off for a party that connects with those that need somebody to speak up for them. It wont destroy them, it will revitalise them, that's the big fright for the neo-liberals. I'd answer the rest of your post if i could understnad it although i think the gist of it based on the fear mongering of the city and doomsday predictions should such an evil voice become heard. Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/244912/labour-leadership?page=10#ixzz3h0wZCb3L |
|
|
|
Post by harryburrows on Jul 26, 2015 16:31:49 GMT
I very much doubt he does either He doesn't understand much at all mate. He's a bit thick you see . Obviously doesn't get out much bless him Rebel without a clue |
|
|
|
Post by kbillyh on Jul 26, 2015 16:32:31 GMT
Shit fan. Enough said. Pointless cunt to the max, fuck off to the red devil message board or whatever the fuck it's called. Why the fuck you even here? Just to big up bankers and Tories and remind us why Shawcross is a thug wanker from your previous posts. Meltdown soft lad, toys out of the pram Nothing. |
|
|
|
Post by kbillyh on Jul 26, 2015 16:33:09 GMT
And there you have it........ As if to prove my point. Good old Harry. cognitive dissonance from billy sad act no mates Nothing |
|
|
|
Post by kbillyh on Jul 26, 2015 16:33:21 GMT
I very much doubt he does either He doesn't understand much at all mate. He's a bit thick you see . Obviously doesn't get out much bless him Nothing |
|
|
|
Post by kbillyh on Jul 26, 2015 16:34:06 GMT
He doesn't understand much at all mate. He's a bit thick you see . Obviously doesn't get out much bless him Rebel without a clue And more nothing |
|
|
|
Post by kbillyh on Jul 26, 2015 16:38:32 GMT
Impressive stuff chaps, how could i compete with such wonderful debating practices. If i had some accolades, in your direction they would surely go.
Nothings with nowt to say.
(Not you BJR)
|
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 16:42:33 GMT
Diane Abott is a Tory light does that explain her racist views. Everyone is entitled to have their own opinions , so long as they walk the talk Voicing them is the issue for some at least. |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 16:44:52 GMT
So there you have it .....Billy and his ilk have no doubt tha Corbyn is the best candidate for the job even though the press and the rest of society clearly do not . The reason is simple. Corbyn represents a blast from the past . He is as left wing as it gets and thats why everyone in he country is going to vote for him .
No ifs , no buts ...we're on a winner with Corbyn !
I just need a cap , a CND badge and mongrel black dog called 'Billy'....
|
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 16:45:03 GMT
Impressive stuff chaps, how could i compete with such wonderful debating practices. If i had some accolades, in your direction they would surely go. Nothings with nowt to say. (Not you BJR) Calmed down now have we soft lad ?, now go fetch your toys and put them back in your pram. |
|
|
|
Post by kbillyh on Jul 26, 2015 16:46:24 GMT
So there you have it .....Billy and his ilk have no doubt tha Corbyn is the best candidate for the job even though the press and the rest of society clearly do not . The reason is simple. Corbyn represents a blast from the past . He is as left wing as it gets and thats why everyone in he country is going to vote for him . No ifs , no buts ...we're on a winner with Corbyn ! I just need a cap , a CND badge and mongrel black dog called 'Billy'.... Snipes and nothing else. |
|
|
|
Post by kbillyh on Jul 26, 2015 16:47:26 GMT
Impressive stuff chaps, how could i compete with such wonderful debating practices. If i had some accolades, in your direction they would surely go. Nothings with nowt to say. (Not you BJR) Calmed down now have we soft lad ?, now go fetch your toys and put them back in your pram. Oh surprise, nothing again. |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 16:48:33 GMT
So there you have it .....Billy and his ilk have no doubt tha Corbyn is the best candidate for the job even though the press and the rest of society clearly do not . The reason is simple. Corbyn represents a blast from the past . He is as left wing as it gets and thats why everyone in he country is going to vote for him . No ifs , no buts ...we're on a winner with Corbyn ! I just need a cap , a CND badge and mongrel black dog called 'Billy'.... Snipes and nothing else. You're not all there ....theres something missing ! |
|
|
|
Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 26, 2015 16:49:01 GMT
"You mention the young, the hardest hit, they have no fucking hope at the moment. Thousands in debt if you go to uni, no chance of ever affording a house, minimum wage, zero hour. Sign on, well you'll have to fucking work for it because the rest of society consider you worthless scumbags" I entirely agree with the above Billy. Absolute disgrace. Criminal how we treat our youngsters. I have 2 problems with what you say. I agree the media and powerful will absolutely destroy Corbyn, so whatever we on the Oatcake think of his policies or his looks or his beard, he will have no power nor influence whatsoever, and will Infact split the Labour party. Not necessarily his fault , he means well. Secondly I can agree with "blaming the bankers" ( although there are many other issues in the UK). Make them pay, and while we are at it get the tax evaders, tax avoiders expense claimers, corporate crooks , idle rich, and bonus bucaneers. I pay my taxes so have no problem with that.But I have yet to hear a solution which I, as a non economist, can understand with respect to the evil bankers because others tell me that without the Stock Exchange, the Financial sector and the City, in its current form (with as little regulation as possible) this country would collapse. They bring prosperity which somehow helps to fund the NHS etc. Cutting our nose off to spite the face? I would never think the Oatcake message board has influence in the big scheme of things and never should it when you read some of the small minded bullshit. The Labour party needs splitting if it is to truly represent the people it claims to, look what happened to them in Scotland as they stand now, a fucking shambles representing nobody and rightly fucked off for a party that connects with those that need somebody to speak up for them. It wont destroy them, it will revitalise them, that's the big fright for the neo-liberals. I'd answer the rest of your post if i could understnad it although i think the gist of it based on the fear mongering of the city and doomsday predictions should such an evil voice become heard. Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/244912/labour-leadership?page=10#ixzz3h0wZCb3LBilly I think I am saying; I can't see anyway that Corbyn would be elected as the Prime Minister, but he could split the Labour Party. I think that you have agreed that he could split the party and as ( I think) you say, that may be a good thing , in the long term.BUT in the meantime we would be subject to the worst excesses of austerity , which neither of us want, as the Tories would have a free reign. I don't think we can just blame the electorate for not backing Corbyn , I believe that there are serious concerns above his character assassination.So how does Corbyn as Labour leader effectively protect us from austerity? In a way you have answered my second point to a degree. You believe that the power and value afforded to the bankers is exagerrated.My question is "what would you /Corbyn do to prevent the bankers from being greedy and creating another crisis?" ( in simple language if possible, ) |
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 16:50:19 GMT
Billy I think I am saying; I can't see anyway that Corbyn would be elected as the Prime Minister, but he could split the Labour Party. I think that you have agreed that he could split the party and as ( I think) you say, that may be a good thing , in the long term.BUT in the meantime we would be subject to the worst excesses of austerity , which neither of us want, as the Tories would have a free reign. I don't think we can just blame the electorate for not backing Corbyn , I believe that there are serious concerns above his character assassination.So how foes Corbyn as Labour leader effectively protect us from austerity? In a way you have answered my second point to a degree. You believe that the power and value afforded to the bankers is exagerrated.My question is "what would you /Corbyn do to prevent the bankers from being greedy and creating another crisis?" ( in simple language if possible, ) Nothing |
|
|
|
Post by stokeharry on Jul 26, 2015 16:54:20 GMT
He doesn't understand much at all mate. He's a bit thick you see . Obviously doesn't get out much bless him Nothing And nothing again |
|
|
|
Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 26, 2015 16:59:02 GMT
Billy,
I am not trying to set you up here, I would be interested in your answer.
Do you think that Corbyn, as a Bennite, and as someone who originally entered parliament in an anti EU ticket should argue for the UK leaving the EU or not ?
At present he is non-committal, I think in his heart he wants out, but is weighing up the consequences of saying so.
|
|
|
|
Post by harryburrows on Jul 26, 2015 17:05:43 GMT
So there you have it .....Billy and his ilk have no doubt tha Corbyn is the best candidate for the job even though the press and the rest of society clearly do not . The reason is simple. Corbyn represents a blast from the past . He is as left wing as it gets and thats why everyone in he country is going to vote for him . No ifs , no buts ...we're on a winner with Corbyn ! I just need a cap , a CND badge and mongrel black dog called 'Billy'.... Snipes and nothing else. Mumf is one of your own , a long time labour supporter who's telling you how it is . |
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 17:07:10 GMT
Billy, I am not trying to set you up here, I would be interested in your answer. Do you think that Corbyn, as a Bennite, and as someone who originally entered parliament in an anti EU ticket should argue for the UK leaving the EU or not ? At present he is non-committal, I think in his heart he wants out, but is weighing up the consequences of saying so. So he is saying nothing (sorry bigjohn in the context I could not resist it) |
|
|
|
Post by kbillyh on Jul 26, 2015 17:14:13 GMT
Billy I think I am saying; I can't see anyway that Corbyn would be elected as the Prime Minister, but he could split the Labour Party. I think that you have agreed that he could split the party and as ( I think) you say, that may be a good thing , in the long term.BUT in the meantime we would be subject to the worst excesses of austerity , which neither of us want, as the Tories would have a free reign. I don't think we can just blame the electorate for not backing Corbyn , I believe that there are serious concerns above his character assassination.So how does Corbyn as Labour leader effectively protect us from austerity? In a way you have answered my second point to a degree. You believe that the power and value afforded to the bankers is exagerrated.My question is "what would you /Corbyn do to prevent the bankers from being greedy and creating another crisis?" ( in simple language if possible, ) John, we already are about to be subjected to the worst excesses of austerity and we have nobody to oppose them, they already have free reign. Corbyn will give a voice to those at the rough end of these cuts. It's already happening, it can't get worse, it can only drag on longer and without an opposing voice it will. Regarding the bankers Corbyn has already gone on the record as being in favour of diverting the money currently generated through quantitative easing in the various directions other than that of trusting the city bankers to do the right thing with it. Last thing i'm going to do on this thread as a lone voice though is to get bogged down defending individual policies. |
|
|
|
Post by kbillyh on Jul 26, 2015 17:15:51 GMT
You're not all there ....theres something missing ! Progressive stuff Mumf. |
|
