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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 26, 2015 17:19:05 GMT
Billy I think I am saying; I can't see anyway that Corbyn would be elected as the Prime Minister, but he could split the Labour Party. I think that you have agreed that he could split the party and as ( I think) you say, that may be a good thing , in the long term.BUT in the meantime we would be subject to the worst excesses of austerity , which neither of us want, as the Tories would have a free reign. I don't think we can just blame the electorate for not backing Corbyn , I believe that there are serious concerns above his character assassination.So how does Corbyn as Labour leader effectively protect us from austerity? In a way you have answered my second point to a degree. You believe that the power and value afforded to the bankers is exagerrated.My question is "what would you /Corbyn do to prevent the bankers from being greedy and creating another crisis?" ( in simple language if possible, ) John, we already are about to be subjected to the worst excesses of austerity and we have nobody to oppose them, they already have free reign. Corbyn will give a voice to those at the rough end of these cuts. It's already happening, it can't get worse, it can only drag on longer and without an opposing voice it will. Regarding the bankers Corbyn has already gone on the record as being in favour of diverting the money currently generated through quantitative easing in the various directions other than that of trusting the city bankers to do the right thing with it. Last thing i'm going to do on this thread as a lone voice though is to get bogged down defending individual policies. Fair enough Billy, thanks. I need to understand how this banking malarchy works! I do think that the membership of the EU is a bigger issue, long and short term |
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Post by kbillyh on Jul 26, 2015 17:22:32 GMT
Billy, I am not trying to set you up here, I would be interested in your answer. Do you think that Corbyn, as a Bennite, and as someone who originally entered parliament in an anti EU ticket should argue for the UK leaving the EU or not ? At present he is non-committal, I think in his heart he wants out, but is weighing up the consequences of saying so. In all honesty i don't know. Certainly at the moment after the way the Greek situation has been handled i personally would steer well clear from the whole E.U experiment. That's not to say it's all bad, way too difficult to give a short answer but again i haven't entered this thread to talk about individual policies. Sorry about the delay with the reply, man has to eat and it seems some have decided this lull in activity is a sign i have nothing to say back.  Bless em. |
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 26, 2015 18:01:23 GMT
Billy I think I am saying; I can't see anyway that Corbyn would be elected as the Prime Minister, but he could split the Labour Party. I think that you have agreed that he could split the party and as ( I think) you say, that may be a good thing , in the long term.BUT in the meantime we would be subject to the worst excesses of austerity , which neither of us want, as the Tories would have a free reign. I don't think we can just blame the electorate for not backing Corbyn , I believe that there are serious concerns above his character assassination.So how does Corbyn as Labour leader effectively protect us from austerity? In a way you have answered my second point to a degree. You believe that the power and value afforded to the bankers is exagerrated.My question is "what would you /Corbyn do to prevent the bankers from being greedy and creating another crisis?" ( in simple language if possible, ) John, we already are about to be subjected to the worst excesses of austerity and we have nobody to oppose them, they already have free reign. Corbyn will give a voice to those at the rough end of these cuts. It's already happening, it can't get worse, it can only drag on longer and without an opposing voice it will. Regarding the bankers Corbyn has already gone on the record as being in favour of diverting the money currently generated through quantitative easing in the various directions other than that of trusting the city bankers to do the right thing with it. Last thing i'm going to do on this thread as a lone voice though is to get bogged down defending individual policies. Quantative easing was a process started by the labour government post financial crisis ( quite rightly ) |
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Post by kbillyh on Jul 26, 2015 18:09:08 GMT
John, we already are about to be subjected to the worst excesses of austerity and we have nobody to oppose them, they already have free reign. Corbyn will give a voice to those at the rough end of these cuts. It's already happening, it can't get worse, it can only drag on longer and without an opposing voice it will. Regarding the bankers Corbyn has already gone on the record as being in favour of diverting the money currently generated through quantitative easing in the various directions other than that of trusting the city bankers to do the right thing with it. Last thing i'm going to do on this thread as a lone voice though is to get bogged down defending individual policies. Quantative easing was a process started by the labour government post financial crisis ( quite rightly ) err......OK right. Anything else? |
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 18:11:31 GMT
John, we already are about to be subjected to the worst excesses of austerity and we have nobody to oppose them, they already have free reign. Corbyn will give a voice to those at the rough end of these cuts. It's already happening, it can't get worse, it can only drag on longer and without an opposing voice it will. Regarding the bankers Corbyn has already gone on the record as being in favour of diverting the money currently generated through quantitative easing in the various directions other than that of trusting the city bankers to do the right thing with it. Last thing i'm going to do on this thread as a lone voice though is to get bogged down defending individual policies. Quantative easing was a process started by the labour government post financial crisis ( quite rightly ) Quantative easing great way of easing your financial issues that or Ocean Finance either way you can pass the debt on to the next generation  |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 26, 2015 18:11:42 GMT
John, we already are about to be subjected to the worst excesses of austerity and we have nobody to oppose them, they already have free reign. Corbyn will give a voice to those at the rough end of these cuts. It's already happening, it can't get worse, it can only drag on longer and without an opposing voice it will. Regarding the bankers Corbyn has already gone on the record as being in favour of diverting the money currently generated through quantitative easing in the various directions other than that of trusting the city bankers to do the right thing with it. Last thing i'm going to do on this thread as a lone voice though is to get bogged down defending individual policies. Quantative easing was a process started by the labour government post financial crisis ( quite rightly ) Harry My memory isn't what it was ( As I said before , due to your crosses)........is quantitive easing basically " printing money"? |
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 26, 2015 18:18:09 GMT
Quantative easing was a process started by the labour government post financial crisis ( quite rightly ) err......OK right. Anything else? Nothing much to disagree if you say it's what Corbyn says good enough , it always surprising though to hear labour politicians refer to the banking industry as if it were a scourge of our society instead of the most important part of our economy . It's a hugely successful industry that pays k 20% of the countries tax take . A few hundred investment bankers that reap obscene bonuses shouldn't cloud your judgement . They do pay massive amount of income tax as well |
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 26, 2015 18:20:22 GMT
Quantative easing was a process started by the labour government post financial crisis ( quite rightly ) Harry My memory isn't what it was ( As I said before , due to your crosses)........is quantitive easing basically " printing money"? Borrowing money from the IMF to give the banks liquidity . otherwise another Greek tragedy as you well know H |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 18:24:47 GMT
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Post by kbillyh on Jul 26, 2015 18:27:55 GMT
err......OK right. Anything else? Nothing much to disagree if you say it's what Corbyn says good enough , it always surprising though to hear labour politicians refer to the banking industry as if it were a scourge of our society instead of the most important part of our economy . It's a hugely successful industry that pays k 20% of the countries tax take . A few hundred investment bankers that reap obscene bonuses shouldn't cloud your judgement . They do pay massive amount of income tax as well I'm sure that's of great comfort to the regulars down the food bank. I'll also be sure to pass it on to the students when they complain about the debts they'll carry with them upon leaving. Perhaps the ever growing numbers of homeless could organise a thank you concert and i'm sure those pesky individuals with learning difficulties whose day care centers have just been closed down count their blessings, because when it comes to printing money and distributing it fairly, those bankers in the city have nothing but their best interests at heart. God bless em. |
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 26, 2015 18:31:28 GMT
Nothing much to disagree if you say it's what Corbyn says good enough , it always surprising though to hear labour politicians refer to the banking industry as if it were a scourge of our society instead of the most important part of our economy . It's a hugely successful industry that pays k 20% of the countries tax take . A few hundred investment bankers that reap obscene bonuses shouldn't cloud your judgement . They do pay massive amount of income tax as well I'm sure that's of great comfort to the regulars down the food bank. I'll also be sure to pass it on to the students when they complain about the debts they'll carry with them upon leaving. Perhaps the ever growing numbers of homeless could organise a thank you concert and i'm sure those pesky individuals with learning difficulties whose day care centers have just been closed down count their blessings, because when it comes to printing money and distributing it fairly, those bankers in the city have nothing but their best interests at heart. God bless em. Why are you so confused ? Banks are not responsible for public spending , |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 26, 2015 18:31:47 GMT
This seems good What is quantitative easing? - www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15198789but it is still difficult for the average woman to really know what is going on. I dont fully understand the Govt bonds role, other than it means confidence and investing in countries ( or financial gambling?) I can understand that the more money there is in circulation , the more is spent and the economy improves. Is that it? Would higher wages do the same? |
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 26, 2015 18:41:04 GMT
This seems good What is quantitative easing? - www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15198789but it is still difficult for the average woman to really know what is going on. I dont fully understand the Govt bonds role, other than it means confidence and investing in countries ( or financial gambling?) I can understand that the more money there is in circulation , the more is spent and the economy improves. Is that it? Would higher wages do the same? I would call it fascinating if I knew what the hell it meant  |
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Post by kbillyh on Jul 26, 2015 18:44:18 GMT
I'm sure that's of great comfort to the regulars down the food bank. I'll also be sure to pass it on to the students when they complain about the debts they'll carry with them upon leaving. Perhaps the ever growing numbers of homeless could organise a thank you concert and i'm sure those pesky individuals with learning difficulties whose day care centers have just been closed down count their blessings, because when it comes to printing money and distributing it fairly, those bankers in the city have nothing but their best interests at heart. God bless em. Why are you so confused ? Banks are not responsible for public spending , I'm not and i never said they were. Different subject, different thread perhaps. |
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 19:08:22 GMT
Nothing much to disagree if you say it's what Corbyn says good enough , it always surprising though to hear labour politicians refer to the banking industry as if it were a scourge of our society instead of the most important part of our economy . It's a hugely successful industry that pays k 20% of the countries tax take . A few hundred investment bankers that reap obscene bonuses shouldn't cloud your judgement . They do pay massive amount of income tax as well I'm sure that's of great comfort to the regulars down the food bank. I'll also be sure to pass it on to the students when they complain about the debts they'll carry with them upon leaving. Perhaps the ever growing numbers of homeless could organise a thank you concert and i'm sure those pesky individuals with learning difficulties whose day care centers have just been closed down count their blessings, because when it comes to printing money and distributing it fairly, those bankers in the city have nothing but their best interests at heart. God bless em. How confusing how are any of the points you raise aligned to the banking industry ?, they don't actually print the money in the banks or distribute it as far as I am aware. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 26, 2015 19:35:46 GMT
I'm sure that's of great comfort to the regulars down the food bank. I'll also be sure to pass it on to the students when they complain about the debts they'll carry with them upon leaving. Perhaps the ever growing numbers of homeless could organise a thank you concert and i'm sure those pesky individuals with learning difficulties whose day care centers have just been closed down count their blessings, because when it comes to printing money and distributing it fairly, those bankers in the city have nothing but their best interests at heart. God bless em. How confusing how are any of the points you raise aligned to the banking industry ?, they don't actually print the money in the banks or distribute it as far as I am aware. Watch and learn. |
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Post by kbillyh on Jul 26, 2015 19:39:22 GMT
I refer you to my previous post:
"Regarding the bankers Corbyn has already gone on the record as being in favour of diverting the money currently generated through quantitative easing in the various directions other than that of trusting the city bankers to do the right thing with it. Last thing i'm going to do on this thread as a lone voice though is to get bogged down defending individual policies"
You lot bang on about that if you want. Well you've collectively decided to do just that, so crack on.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 19:43:56 GMT
I refer you to my previous post: "Regarding the bankers Corbyn has already gone on the record as being in favour of diverting the money currently generated through quantitative easing in the various directions other than that of trusting the city bankers to do the right thing with it. Last thing i'm going to do on this thread as a lone voice though is to get bogged down defending individual policies" You lot bang on about that if you want. Well you've collectively decided to do just that, so crack on. Corbyn can be in favour of what ever he wants, it means nothing as he will never be in a position to put any of it into practice. |
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Post by kbillyh on Jul 26, 2015 19:48:38 GMT
I refer you to my previous post: "Regarding the bankers Corbyn has already gone on the record as being in favour of diverting the money currently generated through quantitative easing in the various directions other than that of trusting the city bankers to do the right thing with it. Last thing i'm going to do on this thread as a lone voice though is to get bogged down defending individual policies" You lot bang on about that if you want. Well you've collectively decided to do just that, so crack on. Corbyn can be in favour of what ever he wants, it means nothing as he will never be in a position to put any of it into practice. Oh OK, pointless you contributing to this thread any longer then. Mystic Megs got fuck all on you eh. |
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 19:59:01 GMT
Corbyn can be in favour of what ever he wants, it means nothing as he will never be in a position to put any of it into practice. Oh OK, pointless you contributing to this thread any longer then. Mystic Megs got fuck all on you eh. On the other hand if you really believe that the electorate will vote Corbyn to be PM you need help, you do not have to be Mystic to see that this will never happen just realistic and live in the real world today. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 26, 2015 20:00:12 GMT
Oh OK, pointless you contributing to this thread any longer then. Mystic Megs got fuck all on you eh. On the other hand if you really believe that the electorate will vote Corbyn to be PM you need help, you do not have to be Mystic to see that this will never happen just realistic and live in the real world today. I take it you didn't watch him on the Marr show this morning? He was outstanding. |
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 20:03:31 GMT
On the other hand if you really believe that the electorate will vote Corbyn to be PM you need help, you do not have to be Mystic to see that this will never happen just realistic and live in the real world today. I take it you didn't watch him on the Marr show this morning? He was outstanding. Ok what are you prepared to bet with me now that he will never be the PM, I know a scarecrow he is outstanding in his field he will never be PM either. |
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Post by kbillyh on Jul 26, 2015 20:06:41 GMT
Oh OK, pointless you contributing to this thread any longer then. Mystic Megs got fuck all on you eh. On the other hand if you really believe that the electorate will vote Corbyn to be PM you need help, you do not have to be Mystic to see that this will never happen just realistic and live in the real world today. Yeah, so you keep saying over and over again, just like the press so it must be true. It's so true it's not even worth debating according to your previous post so why are you doing so? |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 26, 2015 20:08:20 GMT
I take it you didn't watch him on the Marr show this morning? He was outstanding. Ok what are you prepared to bet with me now that he will never be the PM, I know a scarecrow he is outstanding in his field he will never be PM either. You really shouldn't be so dismissive. |
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 20:16:30 GMT
Ok what are you prepared to bet with me now that he will never be the PM, I know a scarecrow he is outstanding in his field he will never be PM either. You really shouldn't be so dismissive. I am prepared to take the bet now I am co confident, nothing to do with the media or press just common sense he is not electable as a PM, at least he may stir the Labour party into realisation though. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 26, 2015 20:29:30 GMT
You really shouldn't be so dismissive. I am prepared to take the bet now I am co confident, nothing to do with the media or press just common sense he is not electable as a PM, at least he may stir the Labour party into realisation though. I haven't offered you a bet, just curious as to why you feel he has no chance. |
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Post by stokeharry on Jul 26, 2015 20:40:49 GMT
I refer you to my previous post: "Regarding the bankers Corbyn has already gone on the record as being in favour of diverting the money currently generated through quantitative easing in the various directions other than that of trusting the city bankers to do the right thing with it. Last thing i'm going to do on this thread as a lone voice though is to get bogged down defending individual policies" You lot bang on about that if you want. Well you've collectively decided to do just that, so crack on. Corbyn can be in favour of what ever he wants, it means nothing as he will never be in a position to put any of it into practice. Correct. Fortunately his vile policies aren't wanted by the majority of Brits |
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Post by salopstick on Jul 26, 2015 20:45:41 GMT
The UK electorate in today's times will never elect a far (ish) left labour leader so corbyn won't be PM in 2020 however he could do a good job in getting the Labour Party back to some semblance of what it's there for. That may lead to a sensible left of centre leader in 20/20 to go for it in 2025
However they will probably end with same old same old in burnham or cooper so nothing will change and a labour govt will only get in for a change from Dave if Osborne beats boris.
Corbyn can be as outstanding on Marr as he wants. He is still looney left to everyone who isn't far left as evidenced by reports far left trying to rig the vote
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 26, 2015 20:46:27 GMT
Corbyn can be in favour of what ever he wants, it means nothing as he will never be in a position to put any of it into practice. Correct. Fortunately his vile policies aren't wanted by the majority of Brits What do you consider to be his "vile" policies, Harry? |
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Post by Biblical on Jul 26, 2015 20:48:43 GMT
True to a degree Billy, I just think it could get much, much worse, particularly if there is no effective opposition , and at the moment I don't think there will be I think the Chancellor has asked most but /portfolio holders to prepare for cuts if up to 40 %, and this us just the start. One major issue for me is the lack of genuine hope for young people. Seriously what fo you see as the way forward for Labour and the country? The only effective opposition on the cards is Corbyn. Yes the media and every shithouse with an interest in keeping the status quo are jumping around like lunatics to assassinate him before the very people who he is reaching out to can hear the message. You mention the young, the hardest hit, they have no fucking hope at the moment. Thousands in debt if you go to uni, no chance of ever affording a house, minimum wage, zero hour. Sign on, well you'll have to fucking work for it because the rest of society consider you worthless scumbags else. Austerity as it is is bollocks, nothing to do with balancing the books, it's ideological fascism. Spanking the poor for the mistakes of the money men. And all the right wing say is Labour need another lego man to speak up for the people in order to get elected. Do they fuck. What they need is somebody who actually speaks on their behalf, no cunt else has done it for the last 30 years. I'm with you on this one Corbyn is the best option out of those available for me. |
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