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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 20, 2015 12:55:40 GMT
And no my opinion isn't based on '2 or 3 games I saw months ago'. As you know EVERY game The Shit plays is on the TV and I have this morbid interest in watching just how Shit their defence really is and how good their goalkeeper is. He gets plenty of practice mind. It is something I have been highlighting for several years since Vidic left. If de Gea leaves this summer and they don't totally rebuild their defence they truly will be 'The Shit'. Well Im a Man Utd supporter, and watch every game of theirs. So we must be watching different games since about November. Several years since Vidic left eh?! I think ill respectfully ignore your opinion on anything to do with the club in that case. Vidic left last summer. Smalling isn't a very good defender in isolation though his he? If you can get him in a one on one or turn him he looks like a startled deer. I don't know many fans (including Shit fans) who believe he is better than Shawcross. Each to their own though but I know who I would sooner have.
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 20, 2015 12:57:23 GMT
And no my opinion isn't based on '2 or 3 games I saw months ago'. As you know EVERY game The Shit plays is on the TV and I have this morbid interest in watching just how Shit their defence really is and how good their goalkeeper is. He gets plenty of practice mind. It is something I have been highlighting for several years since Vidic left. If de Gea leaves this summer and they don't totally rebuild their defence they truly will be 'The Shit'. Well Im a Man Utd supporter, and watch every game of theirs. So we must be watching different games since about November. Several years since Vidic left eh?! I think ill respectfully ignore your opinion on anything to do with the club in that case. Vidic left last summer. Are britsabroad and Geoff the same people? They're both excellent WUM's
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Post by geoff321 on Mar 20, 2015 13:00:21 GMT
I would think jamo the problems in the Everton defence are more likely to be down to the manager rather than individual players.
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Post by MilanStokie on Mar 20, 2015 13:01:48 GMT
Just a general reply to some of the above posts. I think England should be managed by an Englishman Hodgson seems the best choice at the moment. The squad selected by Hodgson is probably the best available. The influx of foreign players has restricted the managers options. I have no idea if Ryan would be a success for England. We have no chance of winning a tournament anytime soon. Giving the young players a chance is probably the way forward. The appointment of two expensive foreign managers did not deliver the success the F.A. hoped for despite the fact we had some outstanding players, Hodgson is now managing a squad that is less strong than those Eriksson and Capello had available and therefore it's no surprise results have not been as good. I disagree entirely, as will 99% of this board. Here are the upgrades that would make the squad undoubtedly stronger: Walker -> Trippier - Much better form, much more solid defensively and contributes with assists aswell. Shaw -> Bertrand - Southampton got a cracking deal here. Also I don't peronally agree that Baines should go, but not a problem. Jagielka -> Shawcross Smalling -> Stones - Purely because Smalling is absolutely abysmal, struggling for anyone else as I am not fond of Stones either. Townsend -> 1 from the form wingers: Dyer/Routledge/Puncheon/Downing Delph -> Noble - I can just about agree with Carrick. Barkley -> Shelvey - Although not a big fan, I would much prefer him. Welbeck I would take but 1 of Berahino or Austin or even Ings deserves to be there. My squad: Hart, Forster, Butland Clyne, Trippier, Shawcross, Cahill, Jones, Stones, Bertrand, Gibbs Milner, Henderson, Carrick, Noble, Lallana, Sterling, Walcott, Downing Kane, Rooney, Welbeck, Sturridge, 1 from Austin/Berahino/Ings A thousand times stronger and more consistent.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 20, 2015 13:04:06 GMT
I would think jamo the problems in the Everton defence are more likely to be down to the manager rather than individual players. Not that he's old, slow and past it. Ironically like the England manager in fact.
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Post by skip on Mar 20, 2015 13:27:25 GMT
I would think jamo the problems in the Everton defence are more likely to be down to the manager rather than individual players. Same goes for England. There was plenty of talent available to Hodgson to have had a more successful World Cup last Summer. The man is fucking hopeless. Pulis of all people has proven in spades you can make a team hard to beat with far from superb players.
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Post by onionman on Mar 20, 2015 13:30:44 GMT
I like Phil Jagielka. From his interviews on the TV, and the way he conducts himself on the pitch, I get the impression he's one of a very rare breed of modest and likable modern day English footballers.
However he showed in the World Cup, and in big games for Everton including last night, that he's not good enough for England. Everton supporters who watch him every week agree with this assessment. And neither is he going to improve because, at his age, he's only going to continue deteriorating. He can no doubt do a decent job against teams like Lithuania, but when it comes to the finals next year, he will fall short again.
As for the argument that it's not Roy Hodgson's fault that England are crap, well, yes, it wouldn't be Hodgson's fault if he had assessed the situation fairly and concluded that Jagielka was clearly the best of a bad bunch. However the fact remains that Hodgson has decided not to bother assessing the small pool of potential candidates who might be able to do a better job than Jagielka.
So it is his fault that he's not getting the best out of an admittedly limited pool of players. Roy Hodgson has taken a small pool of talent, and deliberately made it even smaller by his small-minded, lazy and cowardly selection policy.
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Post by geoff321 on Mar 20, 2015 13:41:45 GMT
I think you will find skip that Roy Hodgson in 2008/9 achieved a lower goals conceded figure than Tony Pulis EVER achieved with Stoke, so you may have picked the wrong subject to attack him on.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 20, 2015 13:48:00 GMT
I think you will find skip that Roy Hodgson in 2008/9 achieved a lower goals conceded figure than Tony Pulis EVER achieved with Stoke, so you may have picked the wrong subject to attack him on. So what you're suggesting is that either: The players at Fulham were better than the current England squad Or He's lost the plot now as we concede stupid goals as the World Cup highlighted.
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Post by lordb on Mar 20, 2015 14:02:28 GMT
Just a general reply to some of the above posts. I think England should be managed by an Englishman Hodgson seems the best choice at the moment. The squad selected by Hodgson is probably the best available. The influx of foreign players has restricted the managers options. I have no idea if Ryan would be a success for England. We have no chance of winning a tournament anytime soon. Giving the young players a chance is probably the way forward. The appointment of two expensive foreign managers did not deliver the success the F.A. hoped for despite the fact we had some outstanding players, Hodgson is now managing a squad that is less strong than those Eriksson and Capello had available and therefore it's no surprise results have not been as good. I disagree entirely, as will 99% of this board. Here are the upgrades that would make the squad undoubtedly stronger: Walker -> Trippier - Much better form, much more solid defensively and contributes with assists aswell. Shaw -> Bertrand - Southampton got a cracking deal here. Also I don't peronally agree that Baines should go, but not a problem. Jagielka -> Shawcross Smalling -> Stones - Purely because Smalling is absolutely abysmal, struggling for anyone else as I am not fond of Stones either. Townsend -> 1 from the form wingers: Dyer/Routledge/Puncheon/Downing Delph -> Noble - I can just about agree with Carrick. Barkley -> Shelvey - Although not a big fan, I would much prefer him. Welbeck I would take but 1 of Berahino or Austin or even Ings deserves to be there. My squad: Hart, Forster, Butland Clyne, Trippier, Shawcross, Cahill, Jones, Stones, Bertrand, Gibbs Milner, Henderson, Carrick, Noble, Lallana, Sterling, Walcott, Downing Kane, Rooney, Welbeck, Sturridge, 1 from Austin/Berahino/Ings A thousand times stronger and more consistent. I think England should be managed by an Englishman - I didn't used too but feel the experience of non English England managers has devalued the position. Hodgson is in my opinion one of a handful of people who who could do the job 'The influx of foreign players has restricted the managers options' this is urely correct 'We have no chance of winning a tournament anytime soon. Giving the young players a chance is probably the way forward' I 100% agree with this point too & Hodgson has picked young players predominantly (especially since the World Cup.) I do think not picking Shawcross is simply insane I do think Smalling is appalling & Jones (after early promise) is really poor too Point I'm generally trying to make is that i think its too simplistic/counterproductive/incorrect to say Hodgson is 'shit' (ask Fulham & WBA fans for e.g.) & that his squad is compeletly wrong. I don't subscribe to the view that he is (somehow on the FA's behest) picking 'big club names' rather tahn who he thinks he is the best squad. by & large we have a lot of players who are more or less at the same level. I can't see an obvious candidate to replace him thats for sure - do we really want Pardew or Allardyce or Bruce,really? - or Southgate Given the talent pool has diminished I don't think we (& it is we,this I don't care about England stuff is bullshit) would attract a top foreign manager either. England might attract a non English British manager: Rodgers,Hughes .
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 20, 2015 14:15:11 GMT
And no my opinion isn't based on '2 or 3 games I saw months ago'. As you know EVERY game The Shit plays is on the TV and I have this morbid interest in watching just how Shit their defence really is and how good their goalkeeper is. He gets plenty of practice mind. It is something I have been highlighting for several years since Vidic left. If de Gea leaves this summer and they don't totally rebuild their defence they truly will be 'The Shit'. Well Im a Man Utd supporter, and watch every game of theirs. So we must be watching different games since about November. Several years since Vidic left eh?! I think ill respectfully ignore your opinion on anything to do with the club in that case. Vidic left last summer. I don't think you really needed to tell me that you were a Shit follower. It oozes like sewage from every post you make. Which is why I have disrespectfully ignored any of your opinions since you started posting 1,800 posts ago (on another clubs message board!!!). It therefore didn't surprise me that you think such a gash player as Smalling is the the second Beckenbauer. As you so cleverly spotted I don't spend as much time as you wanking over another teams message board, stats or players and couldn't really give a fuck when Vidic left. Whenever it was he did manage to escape does not hide the fact he left behind one of the shitest defenders in the Premier League. As you're such an avid watcher of The Shit's games I assume you watched the Arse game? I assume you were happy with the defensive performance overall and in particular Mr Smalling's role (or non role) in both the Arse goals were you? Despite all your stats you let FIVE goals in one game to fucking Leicester who haven't been able to buy a goal this season and have scored around 0.6 goals per game in their other games.
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Post by onionman on Mar 20, 2015 14:23:21 GMT
I disagree entirely, as will 99% of this board. Here are the upgrades that would make the squad undoubtedly stronger: Walker -> Trippier - Much better form, much more solid defensively and contributes with assists aswell. Shaw -> Bertrand - Southampton got a cracking deal here. Also I don't peronally agree that Baines should go, but not a problem. Jagielka -> Shawcross Smalling -> Stones - Purely because Smalling is absolutely abysmal, struggling for anyone else as I am not fond of Stones either. Townsend -> 1 from the form wingers: Dyer/Routledge/Puncheon/Downing Delph -> Noble - I can just about agree with Carrick. Barkley -> Shelvey - Although not a big fan, I would much prefer him. Welbeck I would take but 1 of Berahino or Austin or even Ings deserves to be there. My squad: Hart, Forster, Butland Clyne, Trippier, Shawcross, Cahill, Jones, Stones, Bertrand, Gibbs Milner, Henderson, Carrick, Noble, Lallana, Sterling, Walcott, Downing Kane, Rooney, Welbeck, Sturridge, 1 from Austin/Berahino/Ings A thousand times stronger and more consistent. I think England should be managed by an Englishman - I didn't used too but feel the experience of non English England managers has devalued the position. Hodgson is in my opinion one of a handful of people who who could do the job 'The influx of foreign players has restricted the managers options' this is urely correct 'We have no chance of winning a tournament anytime soon. Giving the young players a chance is probably the way forward' I 100% agree with this point too & Hodgson has picked young players predominantly (especially since the World Cup.) I do think not picking Shawcross is simply insane I do think Smalling is appalling & Jones (after early promise) is really poor too Point I'm generally trying to make is that i think its too simplistic/counterproductive/incorrect to say Hodgson is 'shit' (ask Fulham & WBA fans for e.g.) & that his squad is compeletly wrong. I don't subscribe to the view that he is (somehow on the FA's behest) picking 'big club names' rather tahn who he thinks he is the best squad. by & large we have a lot of players who are more or less at the same level. I can't see an obvious candidate to replace him thats for sure - do we really want Pardew or Allardyce or Bruce,really? - or Southgate Given the talent pool has diminished I don't think we (& it is we,this I don't care about England stuff is bullshit) would attract a top foreign manager either. England might attract a non English British manager: Rodgers,Hughes . Some fair and balanced points there mate. I also don't subscribe to the view that he's picking big club names at the FA's behest. The evidence suggests it's Roy's own chosen strategy. He specifically stated that if Jones and Smalling are playing regularly at a club like Man United, that's good enough for him to pick them for England. It's crazy that the England manager has adopted a selection policy that involves picking players based on their club rather than their ability. The result is that even Roy himself has no idea whether he's picked the best players in the country. He just knows he's picked the players who play for the biggest clubs.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 20, 2015 14:51:24 GMT
linkMH: We think he's the right person but we're not allowed to pick England squads! I think if he'd been fit and playing regularly he must have come into Roy Hodgson's thinking. He had been playing as well as ever. We think he's merited at least another luck. We're not saying put him into every international from this point on but he at least deserves another chance. He's had 20 minutes and a lot of criticism was thrown his way unfairly. He's arguably been my star performer since I arrived at Stoke and it seems unfair he's not had another chance at England. I can only go from what I've seen first hand, which is the best way to just players and people, and as an individual he's top drawer. His ability is unquestionable. It depends on what direction England are going. Maybe they want to progress players through all age groups and they feel being an international footballer has to be learnt through that system. That makes it more difficult for players who have not been involved in international squads to break in again.
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 20, 2015 15:04:49 GMT
linkMH: We think he's the right person but we're not allowed to pick England squads! I think if he'd been fit and playing regularly he must have come into Roy Hodgson's thinking. He had been playing as well as ever. We think he's merited at least another luck. We're not saying put him into every international from this point on but he at least deserves another chance. He's had 20 minutes and a lot of criticism was thrown his way unfairly. He's arguably been my star performer since I arrived at Stoke and it seems unfair he's not had another chance at England. I can only go from what I've seen first hand, which is the best way to just players and people, and as an individual he's top drawer. His ability is unquestionable. It depends on what direction England are going. Maybe they want to progress players through all age groups and they feel being an international footballer has to be learnt through that system. That makes it more difficult for players who have not been involved in international squads to break in again. In other words, the stuff about picking players on merit was rubbish. It's a closed shop and you're either in the England club or you're not.
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Post by onionman on Mar 20, 2015 15:10:19 GMT
linkMH: We think he's the right person but we're not allowed to pick England squads! I think if he'd been fit and playing regularly he must have come into Roy Hodgson's thinking. He had been playing as well as ever. We think he's merited at least another luck. We're not saying put him into every international from this point on but he at least deserves another chance. He's had 20 minutes and a lot of criticism was thrown his way unfairly. He's arguably been my star performer since I arrived at Stoke and it seems unfair he's not had another chance at England. I can only go from what I've seen first hand, which is the best way to just players and people, and as an individual he's top drawer. His ability is unquestionable. It depends on what direction England are going. Maybe they want to progress players through all age groups and they feel being an international footballer has to be learnt through that system. That makes it more difficult for players who have not been involved in international squads to break in again. In other words, the stuff about picking players on merit was rubbish. It's a closed shop and you're either in the England club or you're not. And the thing is, those people in the England club aren't doing terribly well are they.
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Post by britsabroad on Mar 20, 2015 17:14:04 GMT
Well Im a Man Utd supporter, and watch every game of theirs. So we must be watching different games since about November. Several years since Vidic left eh?! I think ill respectfully ignore your opinion on anything to do with the club in that case. Vidic left last summer. I don't think you really needed to tell me that you were a Shit follower. It oozes like sewage from every post you make. Which is why I have disrespectfully ignored any of your opinions since you started posting 1,800 posts ago (on another clubs message board!!!). It therefore didn't surprise me that you think such a gash player as Smalling is the the second Beckenbauer. As you so cleverly spotted I don't spend as much time as you wanking over another teams message board, stats or players and couldn't really give a fuck when Vidic left. Whenever it was he did manage to escape does not hide the fact he left behind one of the shitest defenders in the Premier League. As you're such an avid watcher of The Shit's games I assume you watched the Arse game? I assume you were happy with the defensive performance overall and in particular Mr Smalling's role (or non role) in both the Arse goals were you? Despite all your stats you let FIVE goals in one game to fucking Leicester who haven't been able to buy a goal this season and have scored around 0.6 goals per game in their other games. I don't need to justify why i post here, but its not for city's football club. As i say, you're clearly full of shit. Yet another fan who wants anyone but Manchester United to win and will make up any old rubbish to justify their position. If you actually watched every game you would have noticed the club captain was still around until last summer. I suppose you think Cantona looked good the other day too?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 20, 2015 17:36:59 GMT
I don't think you really needed to tell me that you were a Shit follower. It oozes like sewage from every post you make. Which is why I have disrespectfully ignored any of your opinions since you started posting 1,800 posts ago (on another clubs message board!!!). It therefore didn't surprise me that you think such a gash player as Smalling is the the second Beckenbauer. As you so cleverly spotted I don't spend as much time as you wanking over another teams message board, stats or players and couldn't really give a fuck when Vidic left. Whenever it was he did manage to escape does not hide the fact he left behind one of the shitest defenders in the Premier League. As you're such an avid watcher of The Shit's games I assume you watched the Arse game? I assume you were happy with the defensive performance overall and in particular Mr Smalling's role (or non role) in both the Arse goals were you? Despite all your stats you let FIVE goals in one game to fucking Leicester who haven't been able to buy a goal this season and have scored around 0.6 goals per game in their other games. I don't need to justify why i post here, but its not for city's football club. As i say, you're clearly full of shit. Yet another fan who wants anyone but Manchester United to win and will make up any old rubbish to justify their position. If you actually watched every game you would have noticed the club captain was still around until last summer. I suppose you think Cantona looked good the other day too? Ah now we're getting there. Lost the argument over Smalling so revert to type. "You all hate us cos we're so wonderfully successful and the biggest club in the world and you're just jealous and everyfink innit". Full of shit I may be but I'm full of shit on my own teams message board. I find it a tad juvenile if not almost stalkerish to spam another teams message board with over 1800 posts. You sad sac. PS What the fuck is that first sentence all about?
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Post by skip on Mar 20, 2015 19:11:50 GMT
I think you will find skip that Roy Hodgson in 2008/9 achieved a lower goals conceded figure than Tony Pulis EVER achieved with Stoke, so you may have picked the wrong subject to attack him on. Hopeless at the sharp end of the international level though isn't he.
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Post by lordb on Mar 20, 2015 19:33:50 GMT
I think England should be managed by an Englishman - I didn't used too but feel the experience of non English England managers has devalued the position. Hodgson is in my opinion one of a handful of people who who could do the job 'The influx of foreign players has restricted the managers options' this is urely correct 'We have no chance of winning a tournament anytime soon. Giving the young players a chance is probably the way forward' I 100% agree with this point too & Hodgson has picked young players predominantly (especially since the World Cup.) I do think not picking Shawcross is simply insane I do think Smalling is appalling & Jones (after early promise) is really poor too Point I'm generally trying to make is that i think its too simplistic/counterproductive/incorrect to say Hodgson is 'shit' (ask Fulham & WBA fans for e.g.) & that his squad is compeletly wrong. I don't subscribe to the view that he is (somehow on the FA's behest) picking 'big club names' rather tahn who he thinks he is the best squad. by & large we have a lot of players who are more or less at the same level. I can't see an obvious candidate to replace him thats for sure - do we really want Pardew or Allardyce or Bruce,really? - or Southgate Given the talent pool has diminished I don't think we (& it is we,this I don't care about England stuff is bullshit) would attract a top foreign manager either. England might attract a non English British manager: Rodgers,Hughes . Some fair and balanced points there mate. I also don't subscribe to the view that he's picking big club names at the FA's behest. The evidence suggests it's Roy's own chosen strategy. He specifically stated that if Jones and Smalling are playing regularly at a club like Man United, that's good enough for him to pick them for England. It's crazy that the England manager has adopted a selection policy that involves picking players based on their club rather than their ability. The result is that even Roy himself has no idea whether he's picked the best players in the country. He just knows he's picked the players who play for the biggest clubs. No,he picks them because he rates them. He signed Smalling for Fulham from non league. The issue is he rates them! If Stoke signed Smalling he would pick Smalling.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 20, 2015 19:50:14 GMT
Some fair and balanced points there mate. I also don't subscribe to the view that he's picking big club names at the FA's behest. The evidence suggests it's Roy's own chosen strategy. He specifically stated that if Jones and Smalling are playing regularly at a club like Man United, that's good enough for him to pick them for England. It's crazy that the England manager has adopted a selection policy that involves picking players based on their club rather than their ability. The result is that even Roy himself has no idea whether he's picked the best players in the country. He just knows he's picked the players who play for the biggest clubs. No,he picks them because he rates them. He signed Smalling for Fulham from non league. The issue is he rates them! If Stoke signed Smalling he would pick Smalling. If Stoke signed Smalling I'd, I'd, scream and scream until I was sick. Well I'd just be sick anyway. You are right though, the frightening thing is he does rate them
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 20, 2015 22:47:58 GMT
In other words, the stuff about picking players on merit was rubbish. It's a closed shop and you're either in the England club or you're not. And the thing is, those people in the England club aren't doing terribly well are they. No, they are not. Furthermore, the more I think of it, the more I realise that the 'England club' thing is more true than I originally thought. Just look at who has and hasn't been picked in the forward line: Harry Kane (Tottenham Hotspur) - Couldn't avoid picking him. He gets away with it because he plays for Tottenham and has hence been given games in the U-21s. Will probably be restricted to a token cameo or two. Wayne Rooney (Manchester United) - Fair enough. Daniel Sturridge (Liverpool) - Not fit, but a shoo-in as soon as he's capable of limping without crutches. Why wouldn't he be? England U-21s, Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool - that makes him the most qualified player to play for England ever! Danny Welbeck (Arsenal) - Another member of the England U-21, Man Utd and Arsenal club. How can anybody hope to get a look in over somebody with this pedigree? Then you look at the players who should have filled up the two places wasted on Sturridge and Welbeck: Danny Ings - played for Bournemouth and Dorchester, obviously crap. The very last thing we need is somebody who's been slumming it with rubbish players. Saido Berahino - pfff, West Brazil's youth team. They were in the Championship once, can't be trusted. Charlie Austin - Started his career at Kintbury Rangers and worked around in the lower leagues. There should be no time given to people who work their way to the top from the bottom of the league system, that's not the sort of player we want. I bet you could go through the defence and midfield and go through the exact same process. Shawcross' face just doesn't fit with the England club. It didn't fit with the U-21s because Michael Mancienne had class. It maddens me. It's one of the biggest problems in the English game. They're all such wankers as well. I don't think I like any of them.
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Post by britsabroad on Mar 20, 2015 23:04:07 GMT
I don't need to justify why i post here, but its not for city's football club. As i say, you're clearly full of shit. Yet another fan who wants anyone but Manchester United to win and will make up any old rubbish to justify their position. If you actually watched every game you would have noticed the club captain was still around until last summer. I suppose you think Cantona looked good the other day too? Ah now we're getting there. Lost the argument over Smalling so revert to type. "You all hate us cos we're so wonderfully successful and the biggest club in the world and you're just jealous and everyfink innit". Full of shit I may be but I'm full of shit on my own teams message board. I find it a tad juvenile if not almost stalkerish to spam another teams message board with over 1800 posts. You sad sac. PS What the fuck is that first sentence all about? Just admit, you watched Smalling a handful of times and are trying to pretend you know more than you do. Alex Ferguson rated him, as does Louis Van Gaal. But you must know better than them.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 20, 2015 23:07:53 GMT
Ah now we're getting there. Lost the argument over Smalling so revert to type. "You all hate us cos we're so wonderfully successful and the biggest club in the world and you're just jealous and everyfink innit". Full of shit I may be but I'm full of shit on my own teams message board. I find it a tad juvenile if not almost stalkerish to spam another teams message board with over 1800 posts. You sad sac. PS What the fuck is that first sentence all about? Just admit, you watched Smalling a handful of times and are trying to pretend you know more than you do. Alex Ferguson rated him, as does Louis Van Gaal. But you must know better than them. Oh bore off you cretin.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Mar 21, 2015 16:03:37 GMT
The German National Manager said that Roy Hodgson has a virtually impossible task in selecting a successful side because of the number of foreign players in the Premier League. GermanStokie says Hodgson only selects players from the top clubs and cites one example in Charlie Austin, I have news for GS the best players tend to play for the top teams. It's true we have some good young players coming through but compared to the recent past this is a relatively weak England squad. Until the F.A. takes a serious look at the problems facing the national side fans will continue to take the simplistic view that the failure is the fault of the manager. I have news for you Geoff, using your sanctimonious attitude, that the best England players on form (and i suggest you re read that 'on form' statement again) are not necessarily playing for the top teams. The simplistic view is that it does indeed fall at the feet of the manager. The manager of the national manager is the one who determines the style of the team, the tactics of the team, the whole ethos behind what is needed and how this is brought forward. This includes adopting a forward leaning posture when overviewing the U-21s and below to ensure that the players coming up into the full national side are comfortable with how the first team plays, having trained and lived alongside the 'big stars' during shared sessions. St George's Park is a step in the right direction by allowing all levels of national football to interact on different levels to ensure that they have the capacity to mix, encouraging the national brand and not being alien to each other. This includes those who have not played on the national level before, rather than being shoe horned in and having to play catch up. I have news for you, whilst you sit on your high horse. I never suggested that the best players didn't tend to play for the top teams so I suggest to you to open your eyes and not piecemeal your arguments in such a ridiculous manner! What i did suggest and I shall state in it layman's terms so that a simpleton like you may understand (Note the style of argument is mirroring yours) is that even the Mannschaft are bringing in players who are performing on merit, not just those who are playing for the likes of Bayern et al. We have players from Fiorentina and smaller German sides playing for The Mannschaft based on their merit coming into the side. How do you think that our own Wollschied managed to get a call up? Because he was playing for Bayern? No, because of his performances that merited a buy by Leverkusen (Who are no longer seen a "top side" performing as they should).... Now stop trying to be controversial in your statements and try to come forward with reasoned debate rather than poorly hidden insults.
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Post by PinkFloydPotter on Mar 21, 2015 16:16:22 GMT
He deserves a call up, but it wont happen.
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Post by britsabroad on Mar 22, 2015 0:37:43 GMT
He deserves a call up, but it wont happen. You saw him play today, yes?
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Post by swampySCFC on Mar 22, 2015 0:42:39 GMT
Ryan isn't fit and should arguably go on holiday/operation for next season
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Post by scfcwebby on Mar 22, 2015 0:42:51 GMT
He deserves a call up, but it wont happen. You saw him play today, yes? Your point?
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Post by kustokie on Mar 22, 2015 1:13:09 GMT
Ryan isn't fit and should arguably go on holiday/operation for next season I am a Shawcross fan. However, with all due respect your argument is a bit illogical. Why would he get a call up if he is not fit and needs a holiday or an operation? His performance today clearly showed you're right.
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Post by hanibal7 on Mar 22, 2015 2:02:40 GMT
2games now, for ryan, he looks awful, 2nd goal his fault today, went to run in the space, if a flick on, then stopped, a flick on, leads to the winner for Palarse, even the first he allows Bolasie thru, with a little tug on the shirt, instead of trying to get in front of him.
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