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Post by geoff321 on Mar 19, 2015 22:39:55 GMT
Tony Pulis was a good Stoke manager.
Referees are not biased or corrupt.
Roy Hodgson is not the reason for the decline of the national team.
What dave has that got to do with being a yes man?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 22:44:22 GMT
Tony Pulis was a good Stoke manager. Referees are not biased or corrupt. Roy Hodgson is not the reason for the decline of the national team. What dave has that got to do with being a yes man? I would put money on you being a yes man. Have your own opinion you are a bit like a sheep.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 19, 2015 22:49:01 GMT
Tony Pulis was a good Stoke manager. Referees are not biased or corrupt. Roy Hodgson is not the reason for the decline of the national team. What dave has that got to do with being a yes man? Bore off Mr "fan of potteries football".
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Post by BuzzB on Mar 19, 2015 22:51:43 GMT
I think Hart Clyne Cahill Stones Lallana Ox Sterling Sturridge and Kane (maybe) should be the backbone for the next few years, the rest (if Ryan is to be totally dismissed) are pretty awful by international standards, as said above Rooney and Welbeck are probably best of the rest. The media build young players up (see Barkley Townsend etc) and its all too much too soon. How he still has a job after Brazil is baffling. For the back line to be made up of Everton and Shit defenders is also baffling.
Hart Clyne Cahill Stones Shaw Henderson Ox Sterling Lallana Sturridge Kane
would be my choice without Ryan. Not alot of experience there but wtf.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 19, 2015 22:53:05 GMT
Tony Pulis was a good Stoke manager. Referees are not biased or corrupt. Roy Hodgson is not the reason for the decline of the national team. What dave has that got to do with being a yes man? You do come across as an establishment apologist Geoff.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 19, 2015 22:58:48 GMT
I think Hart Clyne Cahill Stones Lallana Ox Sterling Sturridge and Kane (maybe) should be the backbone for the next few years, the rest (if Ryan is to be totally dismissed) are pretty awful by international standards, as said above Rooney and Welbeck are probably best of the rest. The media build young players up (see Barkley Townsend etc) and its all too much too soon. How he still has a job after Brazil is baffling. For the back line to be made up of Everton and Shit defenders is also baffling. Hart Clyne Cahill Stones Shaw Henderson Ox Sterling Lallana Sturridge Kane would be my choice without Ryan. Not alot of experience there but wtf. I would argue that Stones and Shaw have been crap this season and don't deserve their places. As much as I hate the obnoxious little scrote, Danny Rose has been in better form than Shaw and almost anybody has been in better form than Stones (other than Smalling of course). I'm not saying either are shit, they may be future England greats, but they are just currently in shit form.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 23:00:01 GMT
I think Hart Clyne Cahill Stones Lallana Ox Sterling Sturridge and Kane (maybe) should be the backbone for the next few years, the rest (if Ryan is to be totally dismissed) are pretty awful by international standards, as said above Rooney and Welbeck are probably best of the rest. The media build young players up (see Barkley Townsend etc) and its all too much too soon. How he still has a job after Brazil is baffling. For the back line to be made up of Everton and Shit defenders is also baffling. Hart Clyne Cahill Stones Shaw Henderson Ox Sterling Lallana Sturridge Kane would be my choice without Ryan. Not alot of experience there but wtf. To be honest i like barkley, he definately has a bit of class. I think he needs to move to a bigger club with better players to show his true potential. I am not that impressed with stones though, when i have watched him he has looked really poor. Kane is a must for me at the moment, fully deserves to start.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 19, 2015 23:00:29 GMT
Stones?
Can someone explain to me what good things he does?
He reminds me of a slightly better version of Cameron with his positioning, it really isn't very good.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 19, 2015 23:04:38 GMT
Stones? Can someone explain to me what good things he does? He reminds me of a slightly better version of Cameron with his positioning, it really isn't very good. It seems to me a case of the emperors new clothes. Never mind he should be ok now he has that renowned defensive tactician in charge at Everton. He'll sort their defence out. Oh hang on!
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Post by geoff321 on Mar 19, 2015 23:14:41 GMT
If an England manager had visited the Victoria Ground in the 1940's he would have watched a Stoke City side made up of mainly English players, and would have selected Neil Franklin, Stanley Matthews and Freddie Steele.
If Roy Hodgson visits the Brit he gets to watch one or two English players turning out for Stoke, with the only real candidate being Ryan Shawcross, and people wonder why he never watches Stoke play.
Managing England now must be one of the most difficult jobs in football with expectation levels still high and yet with a decline in both quantity and quality of English players in the Premier League.
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Post by swampySCFC on Mar 19, 2015 23:16:34 GMT
I am English and couldn't give a flying fuck about Hodgson or his latest England squad. Boring prick. Another 40 years of hurt. Goooooarrrrrn Stoke
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 19, 2015 23:21:35 GMT
If an England manager had visited the Victoria Ground in the 1940's he would have watched a Stoke City side made up of mainly English players, and would have selected Neil Franklin, Stanley Matthews and Freddie Steele. If Roy Hodgson visits the Brit he gets to watch one or two English players turning out for Stoke, with the only real candidate being Ryan Shawcross, and people wonder why he never watches Stoke play. Managing England now must be one of the most difficult jobs in football with expectation levels still high and yet with a decline in both quantity and quality of English players in the Premier League. It might be a difficult job but this clot makes it twice as hard by picking useless and out of form players simply because of the club they play for.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 23:25:08 GMT
If an England manager had visited the Victoria Ground in the 1940's he would have watched a Stoke City side made up of mainly English players, and would have selected Neil Franklin, Stanley Matthews and Freddie Steele. If Roy Hodgson visits the Brit he gets to watch one or two English players turning out for Stoke, with the only real candidate being Ryan Shawcross, and people wonder why he never watches Stoke play. Managing England now must be one of the most difficult jobs in football with expectation levels still high and yet with a decline in both quantity and quality of English players in the Premier League. You would think having less players to watch would make it easier to select the team. Yet he still does not watch players unless they play for one of the more glamourous clubs. Hodgson has plenty of time to watch at least 4 games per weekend. How many does he attend?
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 19, 2015 23:34:46 GMT
Let's be honest, bar the odd selection, most of any England managers picks are straightforward and agreeable. the problem we have with this idiot is twofold 1. his odd selections are mind blowingly abysmal e.g. omitting Cole from the WC squad and 2. his tactics are at best misguided and at worst clueless e.g. playing a 4-2-4 in a game currently dominated by midfield.
2 tournaments, including a free pass in one, and he has made us a laughing stock. Chuck in his propensity for a media gaff then it doesn't take much to realise he should be nowhere near the job.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Mar 19, 2015 23:47:52 GMT
If an England manager had visited the Victoria Ground in the 1940's he would have watched a Stoke City side made up of mainly English players, and would have selected Neil Franklin, Stanley Matthews and Freddie Steele. If Roy Hodgson visits the Brit he gets to watch one or two English players turning out for Stoke, with the only real candidate being Ryan Shawcross, and people wonder why he never watches Stoke play. Managing England now must be one of the most difficult jobs in football with expectation levels still high and yet with a decline in both quantity and quality of English players in the Premier League. Sorry Geoff, I believe you are what is deemed a WUM and an irritant with it. You are wrong, we are not the only fans who see the discrepancies in picking the out of form players just because they play for a "big name". Even many Man Utd fans believe that Smalling is a liability in their defence and they also do not like Jones sitting in the back four. That should speak volumes. LVG has no choice but to select them as presently he has not got a strong enough squad or replacements to take them out of that position. You are also wrong in the declining quality of English footballers. Actually, you guys do have talented players but are scared to pick those on merit. Kane is a good selection as he is playing well, but I am disappointed that Austin did not get a lot in with the squad. I can understand why Welbeck is in as he has performed for England (Much like our Klose who was a talisman for the DFB but not as effective for club sides). If Hodgson actually stuck to what he portrayed when he first took the role "taking players in merit" he would have far more credence than he has shown now. He will fail, not because of the dearth of quality in the English game, but the reluctance to look outside the big 4 or media darlings when selecting players. Note the DFB side has a mix of the Bayern's and BVBs but also other teams have representation like werder Bremen, monchengladbach etc. These players may only get a a game or two... But they are better chances than the English FA allow.. Including most notably the manager. I would therefore ask you to stop being a WUM by attempting to stir controversy under a feint of trying to provoke discussion. It's failing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 3:02:08 GMT
I have said this many times before, I will say it again, England will NEVER EVER win a tournament while the national manager ONLY picks players for whom they play for and NOT how the players are performing.
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Post by malteser68 on Mar 20, 2015 6:48:56 GMT
Stones in the England squad. What an effing joke !!!
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Post by britsabroad on Mar 20, 2015 7:49:50 GMT
It's fairly obvious, at least to me, that England managers pick the players they think are the best. Regarding Smalling, Jones and Carrick the present United manager seems to rate them as did Ferguson and Moyes. Do you reckon they should be in the squad though Geoff? Smalling has been arguably the best defender in the 3rd best defence in thr league. As usual this board has its opinions based on 2 or 3 games they saw months ago where he played at right back.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 20, 2015 8:20:55 GMT
Do you reckon they should be in the squad though Geoff? Smalling has been arguably the best defender in the 3rd best defence in thr league. As usual this board has its opinions based on 2 or 3 games they saw months ago where he played at right back. Nurse! Another one for the loony bin. He is indeed arguably the best. I will argue all day long that he is the worst, not only in the Shit defence but in the entire Premier League. I assume you're going on the goals conceded stats to prove your '3rd best defence' comment? But stats don't show the whole picture. They don't show how many times Smalling has royally fucked up and had his sorry arse saved by de Gea who has been in fantastic form and is in my opinion almost single handedly responsible for The Shit's position in that and any other table. Anyone with any knowledge of football and defending, in fact anyone with reasonable vision and no footballing knowledge (my wife), can see that, his pace aside, Smalling is a liability.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 20, 2015 8:26:33 GMT
Do you reckon they should be in the squad though Geoff? Smalling has been arguably the best defender in the 3rd best defence in thr league. As usual this board has its opinions based on 2 or 3 games they saw months ago where he played at right back. And no my opinion isn't based on '2 or 3 games I saw months ago'. As you know EVERY game The Shit plays is on the TV and I have this morbid interest in watching just how Shit their defence really is and how good their goalkeeper is. He gets plenty of practice mind. It is something I have been highlighting for several years since Vidic left. If de Gea leaves this summer and they don't totally rebuild their defence they truly will be 'The Shit'.
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Post by geoff321 on Mar 20, 2015 8:41:56 GMT
The German National Manager said that Roy Hodgson has a virtually impossible task in selecting a successful side because of the number of foreign players in the Premier League.
GermanStokie says Hodgson only selects players from the top clubs and cites one example in Charlie Austin, I have news for GS the best players tend to play for the top teams. It's true we have some good young players coming through but compared to the recent past this is a relatively weak England squad.
Until the F.A. takes a serious look at the problems facing the national side fans will continue to take the simplistic view that the failure is the fault of the manager.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 20, 2015 8:49:31 GMT
The German National Manager said that Roy Hodgson has a virtually impossible task in selecting a successful side because of the number of foreign players in the Premier League. GermanStokie says Hodgson only selects players from the top clubs and cites one example in Charlie Austin, I have news for GS the best players tend to play for the top teams. It's true we have some good young players coming through but compared to the recent past this is a relatively weak England squad. Until the F.A. takes a serious look at the problems facing the national side fans will continue to take the simplistic view that the failure is the fault of the manager. Geoff you may be right. The current crop of players may be poor but doesn't that highlight the stupidity of Hodgson's refusal to consider the likes of Austin, Ings and yes Shawcross and go with Townsend, Stones, Carrick and SMALLING for games that are in effect friendlies. When he first got the job he said he would pick players on form not on reputation. He has been proved not only to be a poor manager but also a liar.
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Post by skip on Mar 20, 2015 11:17:52 GMT
If an England manager had visited the Victoria Ground in the 1940's he would have watched a Stoke City side made up of mainly English players, and would have selected Neil Franklin, Stanley Matthews and Freddie Steele. If Roy Hodgson visits the Brit he gets to watch one or two English players turning out for Stoke, with the only real candidate being Ryan Shawcross, and people wonder why he never watches Stoke play. Managing England now must be one of the most difficult jobs in football with expectation levels still high and yet with a decline in both quantity and quality of English players in the Premier League. Dear Geoff. In the 1940s, football wasn't universally televised and recorded to allow the then England football manager to take a look at specific players over the course of a season. Also, in the 1940s, Opta stats didn't exist giving the then England manager a critical statistical overview of a player's achievements and reliability. Also not available in the 1940s were things like heat maps, bleep tests and the opportunity to request that a club records a specific player. Transport links have improved over time too. And the telephone still exists. There is absolutely no excuse, no excuse whatsoever for Hodgson flatly refusing to cast an objective critical eye over Shawcross. Particularly when everyone can see with one eye that Hodgson picks players that he likes rather than players either in form, or have the right level of public credibility. Your defence of Hodgson with regard to Shawcross is baffling. He is simply being prejudicial based on either the club he plays for or that one quarter hour for England when he, in my honest opinion, hung him out to dry. He is a footballing snob, his dislike for Stoke under Pulis was equally transparent. Both Hodgson and Pulis can't be both right yet you proclaim Pulis a great Stoke manager and Hodgson is right for England, and right not to pick Shawcross. I don't get your position one jot.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 20, 2015 11:31:47 GMT
If an England manager had visited the Victoria Ground in the 1940's he would have watched a Stoke City side made up of mainly English players, and would have selected Neil Franklin, Stanley Matthews and Freddie Steele. If Roy Hodgson visits the Brit he gets to watch one or two English players turning out for Stoke, with the only real candidate being Ryan Shawcross, and people wonder why he never watches Stoke play. Managing England now must be one of the most difficult jobs in football with expectation levels still high and yet with a decline in both quantity and quality of English players in the Premier League. If Woy wanker had have been manager then, you could bet none of those Stoke players would have got picked.
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Post by MilanStokie on Mar 20, 2015 11:38:05 GMT
Tony Pulis was a good Stoke manager. Referees are not biased or corrupt. Roy Hodgson is not the reason for the decline of the national team. What dave has that got to do with being a yes man? What a load of old arse gravy Geoff. Although Roy may not be the sole reason for the decline, he is definitely not the man to turn it around, being the dinosaur that he is. He hasn't got a clue how to use younger players, hence why he keeps on with Jagielka, Carrick, Gerrard until recently, Lampard etc. The very fact that there are 3 Everton players in this squad and not 1 Stoke player, particularly Ryan who has been 1 of our stand-out players once again for the team lying in 8th. This is versus the team that are having a god awful season season, with the players selected being some of the culprits surrounding their poor form (Jagielka, Barkley). - 1 of the best players for the team in 8th does not get picked - 2 of the worst players this season for the team in 14th, getting picked regardless - The team in the 8th comfortably doing the double over said team in 14th and quite probably the 2 easiest games we have had this season. How you can continue to defend this nonse is absolutely beyond me. Apart from the World Cup, I did not and will never watch another England game while this buffoon is in charge.
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Post by Vestan Pance on Mar 20, 2015 11:59:05 GMT
If an England manager had visited the Victoria Ground in the 1940's he would have watched a Stoke City side made up of mainly English players, and would have selected Neil Franklin, Stanley Matthews and Freddie Steele. If Roy Hodgson visits the Brit he gets to watch one or two English players turning out for Stoke, with the only real candidate being Ryan Shawcross, and people wonder why he never watches Stoke play. Managing England now must be one of the most difficult jobs in football with expectation levels still high and yet with a decline in both quantity and quality of English players in the Premier League. Dear Geoff. In the 1940s, football wasn't universally televised and recorded to allow the then England football manager to take a look at specific players over the course of a season. Also, in the 1940s, Opta stats didn't exist giving the then England manager a critical statistical overview of a player's achievements and reliability. Also not available in the 1940s were things like heat maps, bleep tests and the opportunity to request that a club records a specific player. Transport links have improved over time too. And the telephone still exists. There is absolutely no excuse, no excuse whatsoever for Hodgson flatly refusing to cast an objective critical eye over Shawcross. Particularly when everyone can see with one eye that Hodgson picks players that he likes rather than players either in form, or have the right level of public credibility. Your defence of Hodgson with regard to Shawcross is baffling. He is simply being prejudicial based on either the club he plays for or that one quarter hour for England when he, in my honest opinion, hung him out to dry. He is a footballing snob, his dislike for Stoke under Pulis was equally transparent. Both Hodgson and Pulis can't be both right yet you proclaim Pulis a great Stoke manager and Hodgson is right for England, and right not to pick Shawcross. I don't get your position one jot. That's an excellent response. Hodgson has had the easiest ride of any England manager certainly in my living memory. The level of expectation had dropped to such an extent that even the abysmal showing in the World Cup didn't really put a dent in his employment prospects. He is a dreadful, dreadful football manager. An apologist, bereft of ideas or a coherent strategy or an ability to extract a basic level of perfromance out of the English national team. He is the quintessential yes man, a bumbling dinosaur. The reason that Shawcross isn't picked is because of his lack of courage, not because of Ryan's lack of ability. He is easily Cahill's equal in any regard you can think of. I really, genuinely, absolutely want him to fuck off with immediate effect, and would gladly tell him to his face. There is little in life I like less than a fucking lickspittle, and this twat has made a living out of it.
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Post by onionman on Mar 20, 2015 12:12:37 GMT
Smalling has been arguably the best defender in the 3rd best defence in thr league. As usual this board has its opinions based on 2 or 3 games they saw months ago where he played at right back. Nurse! Another one for the loony bin. He is indeed arguably the best. I will argue all day long that he is the worst, not only in the Shit defence but in the entire Premier League. I assume you're going on the goals conceded stats to prove your '3rd best defence' comment? But stats don't show the whole picture. They don't show how many times Smalling has royally fucked up and had his sorry arse saved by de Gea who has been in fantastic form and is in my opinion almost single handedly responsible for The Shit's position in that and any other table. Anyone with any knowledge of football and defending, in fact anyone with reasonable vision and no footballing knowledge (my wife), can see that, his pace aside, Smalling is a liability. Also, it's fairly obvious Man United's good defensive record has a lot to do with the way Van Gaal sets up the team to protect his weak defence, and his insistence that midfielders don't take risks. After they shipped five goals against Leicester, he switched from his open, attacking system to a cagey, defensive minded system, ordering midfielders not to try risky passes or run out of position, because he saw that he couldn't trust the defenders at his disposal. The Man United fans and many journalists reporting on them have repeatedly pointed this out. Paul Scholes and Gary Neville have complained about it constantly. Mediocre defenders can keep clean sheets if the team is set up tightly enough. It doesn't make them great defenders. Look at Lewis Buxton in the binary season.
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Post by geoff321 on Mar 20, 2015 12:39:39 GMT
Just a general reply to some of the above posts.
I think England should be managed by an Englishman Hodgson seems the best choice at the moment. The squad selected by Hodgson is probably the best available. The influx of foreign players has restricted the managers options. I have no idea if Ryan would be a success for England. We have no chance of winning a tournament anytime soon. Giving the young players a chance is probably the way forward.
The appointment of two expensive foreign managers did not deliver the success the F.A. hoped for despite the fact we had some outstanding players, Hodgson is now managing a squad that is less strong than those Eriksson and Capello had available and therefore it's no surprise results have not been as good.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 20, 2015 12:40:41 GMT
Phil Jagielka contradicts a number of your points.
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Post by britsabroad on Mar 20, 2015 12:42:24 GMT
Smalling has been arguably the best defender in the 3rd best defence in thr league. As usual this board has its opinions based on 2 or 3 games they saw months ago where he played at right back. And no my opinion isn't based on '2 or 3 games I saw months ago'. As you know EVERY game The Shit plays is on the TV and I have this morbid interest in watching just how Shit their defence really is and how good their goalkeeper is. He gets plenty of practice mind. It is something I have been highlighting for several years since Vidic left. If de Gea leaves this summer and they don't totally rebuild their defence they truly will be 'The Shit'. Well Im a Man Utd supporter, and watch every game of theirs. So we must be watching different games since about November. Several years since Vidic left eh?! I think ill respectfully ignore your opinion on anything to do with the club in that case. Vidic left last summer.
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