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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 11:33:36 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 27, 2014 11:33:36 GMT
Bojan may or may not prove to be a success but one thing is for sure, we can be none the wiser after yesterday's game. He's well worth a go in the 4231 behind Diouf imo, but having Ireland play where he did, gave us absolutely no inclination of how he would cope with it. Stick N'Zonzi in with Whelan, and we could perhaps form some sort of reasonable opinion on him in that position. Of course, he'll certainly have a better option than Shotton on the right hand side when it gets a bit more serious too. I have to agree with this. I've got no problem whatsoever with giving all the members of the squad a run out but I'm really struggling to see what the point was in playing Ireland where he did. Strange one for me. Paul I know it's a real long shot and probably a pretty dangerous idea but could Hughes be thinking of playing both Ireland and Bojan in the same starting xi against Villa with just the one defensive mid? He clearly really likes Ireland and as we saw for a few games last season he wasn't completely against the idea of putting both Ireland and Adam on the pitch together. While it could leave us very exposed it could makes as equally as exciting and effective going forward. Who knows what Hughes planning at the moment very hard to read his mind but this makes the coming season far more enticing than usual!
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 11:36:41 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 27, 2014 11:36:41 GMT
But Ireland has NEVER been a deep lying midfielder has he? He's just not cut out for it, and it goes completely against the way we set up last season. I've got every faith in Hughes. He's obviously an intelligent guy who knows his football, so I can't honestly think that he's planning on playing Stephen Ireland in the position he played yesterday in a competitive match. It was obviously just to give all the lads a run out as suggested. Personally though, I'd have used the opportunity to give Bojan a chance to understand the role that will be asked of him next season, IF he does plan on playing behind Diouf. While your probably right Picklez I still think there's a possibility that Hughes will play Ireland and Bojan against lesser teams like Villa at home. Who knows.
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Post by mrpickles on Jul 27, 2014 11:39:01 GMT
I have to agree with this. I've got no problem whatsoever with giving all the members of the squad a run out but I'm really struggling to see what the point was in playing Ireland where he did. Strange one for me. Paul I know it's a real long shot and probably a pretty dangerous idea but could Hughes be thinking of playing both Ireland and Bojan in the same starting xi against Villa with just the one defensive mid? He clearly really likes Ireland and as we saw for a few games last season he wasn't completely against the idea of putting both Ireland and Adam on the pitch together. While it could leave us very exposed it could makes as equally as exciting and effective going forward. Who knows what Hughes planning at the moment very hard to read his mind but this makes the coming season far more enticing than usual! I really hope not mate. I think we'd get massively overrun in midfield. I actually think it would make us less exciting. We'd be gifting the midfield battle to Villa, and isolating our forward players in the process.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 11:40:58 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 27, 2014 11:40:58 GMT
Paul I know it's a real long shot and probably a pretty dangerous idea but could Hughes be thinking of playing both Ireland and Bojan in the same starting xi against Villa with just the one defensive mid? He clearly really likes Ireland and as we saw for a few games last season he wasn't completely against the idea of putting both Ireland and Adam on the pitch together. While it could leave us very exposed it could makes as equally as exciting and effective going forward. Who knows what Hughes planning at the moment very hard to read his mind but this makes the coming season far more enticing than usual! I really hope not mate. I think we'd get massively overrun in midfield. I actually think it would make us less exciting. We'd be gifting the midfield battle to Villa, and isolating our forward players in the process. Qpr style? Maybe your right but I think/hope we'll learn a lot in the next few pre seasons as regards Hughes' preferred starting xi v Villa.
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Post by arnieforpresident on Jul 27, 2014 11:46:07 GMT
Paul I know it's a real long shot and probably a pretty dangerous idea but could Hughes be thinking of playing both Ireland and Bojan in the same starting xi against Villa with just the one defensive mid? He clearly really likes Ireland and as we saw for a few games last season he wasn't completely against the idea of putting both Ireland and Adam on the pitch together. While it could leave us very exposed it could makes as equally as exciting and effective going forward. Who knows what Hughes planning at the moment very hard to read his mind but this makes the coming season far more enticing than usual! I really hope not mate. I think we'd get massively overrun in midfield. I actually think it would make us less exciting. We'd be gifting the midfield battle to Villa, and isolating our forward players in the process. He won't do this in the first game of the season, even if he did it would be as a late sub to try to grab a goal. People are reading way to much into what was a run out to regain fitness levels, Hughes won't take any notice of performances until they have a certasin level of fitness.
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Post by mrpickles on Jul 27, 2014 11:46:13 GMT
I really hope not mate. I think we'd get massively overrun in midfield. I actually think it would make us less exciting. We'd be gifting the midfield battle to Villa, and isolating our forward players in the process. Qpr style? Maybe your right but I think/hope we'll learn a lot in the next few pre seasons as regards Hughes' preferred starting xi v Villa. I think so too mate. Its just a minor gripe I've got about yesterday really. I think i was just intrigued to see how Bojan would perform in that role, but after I saw Ireland was playing in a deeper role, I realised we were going to be none the wiser.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 11:47:53 GMT
Post by arnieforpresident on Jul 27, 2014 11:47:53 GMT
Besides, Hughes is known for prefering & playing specialist players in specialist positions, he's not a tinker man like Pulis
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 27, 2014 11:48:05 GMT
Balance is the key to a good footballing side. The side that started yesterday was "bat shit mental" as I called it for being massively unbalanced. I know it was only a friendly but never again please Yozzer.....
Our best side on paper has 4 positions where we don't know who'll get the nod-right back, centre back, left back and right wing. This is where the experimenting should be taking place.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 12:35:23 GMT
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Post by stokiejoe on Jul 27, 2014 12:35:23 GMT
The comments reported from Hughes after the match were all about fitness, he said that the players hadn't been picked to combat the tactics of the opponents. The side was "unbalanced" but I wonder if that was done to ensure that everyone had to physically work with no-one getting an easy ride. He also said it was his intention to shape his first team starting with the next match.
Makes sense to me to do it that way and we may get a better idea of future shape on Tuesday.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 12:46:30 GMT
Post by homer32 on Jul 27, 2014 12:46:30 GMT
Bojan is nowhere near the starting 11 at present.He may make the bench but surely he will be 2 or 3 months before LMH looks to start him.I see people picking the starting 11 for Villa and having Bojan in it & surely it's miles away.He won't cope with the physical side of the prem for a while yet.LMH isn't going to put pressure on him and he will slowly integrate him into the team .
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 12:49:01 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 12:49:01 GMT
Does anyone actually think he'll start?
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 12:52:11 GMT
Post by arnieforpresident on Jul 27, 2014 12:52:11 GMT
Bojan is nowhere near the starting 11 at present.He may make the bench but surely he will be 2 or 3 months before LMH looks to start him.I see people picking the starting 11 for Villa and having Bojan in it & surely it's miles away.He won't cope with the physical side of the prem for a while yet.LMH isn't going to put pressure on him and he will slowly integrate him into the team . Totally agree & it could be a re-hash of what i've said myself.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 12:57:24 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 27, 2014 12:57:24 GMT
Qpr style? Maybe your right but I think/hope we'll learn a lot in the next few pre seasons as regards Hughes' preferred starting xi v Villa. I think so too mate. Its just a minor gripe I've got about yesterday really. I think i was just intrigued to see how Bojan would perform in that role, but after I saw Ireland was playing in a deeper role, I realised we were going to be none the wiser. yeah defo mate. If he goes for Ireland in the holding role again Tuesday then I think he genuinely is considering it
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 12:59:05 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 27, 2014 12:59:05 GMT
Does anyone actually think he'll start? Does anyone think a guy aged 23 who has played over 100 times for arguably the best team of all time ahead of the likes of Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Thierry Henry will start for Stoke? I dunno tough one isn't it.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 13:14:46 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 13:14:46 GMT
Does anyone actually think he'll start? Does anyone think a guy aged 23 who has played over 100 times for arguably the best team of all time ahead of the likes of Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Thierry Henry will start for Stoke? I dunno tough one isn't it. Five goals in 32 starts for Ajax (incl. cup) puts him slightly behind Jon Walters in my book Rossi.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 13:26:16 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 27, 2014 13:26:16 GMT
Does anyone think a guy aged 23 who has played over 100 times for arguably the best team of all time ahead of the likes of Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Thierry Henry will start for Stoke? I dunno tough one isn't it. Five goals in 32 starts for Ajax (incl. cup) puts him slightly behind Jon Walters in my book Rossi. Tell me you're joking?
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 13:28:59 GMT
Post by Jimm on Jul 27, 2014 13:28:59 GMT
Does anyone think a guy aged 23 who has played over 100 times for arguably the best team of all time ahead of the likes of Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Thierry Henry will start for Stoke? I dunno tough one isn't it. Five goals in 32 starts for Ajax (incl. cup) puts him slightly behind Jon Walters in my book Rossi. Lol behave.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 13:37:30 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 13:37:30 GMT
Five goals in 32 starts for Ajax (incl. cup) puts him slightly behind Jon Walters in my book Rossi. Tell me you're joking? No, its true. These are stats.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 13:38:16 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 13:38:16 GMT
Five goals in 32 starts for Ajax (incl. cup) puts him slightly behind Jon Walters in my book Rossi. Lol behave. How do you mean?
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 13:40:21 GMT
Post by Jimm on Jul 27, 2014 13:40:21 GMT
Suggesting Walters is better than Bojan is borderline madness
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 13:42:34 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 27, 2014 13:42:34 GMT
Suggesting Walters is better than Bojan is borderline madness Literally.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 13:50:24 GMT
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 27, 2014 13:50:24 GMT
Bojan - 5 goals in 32 starts last season.
Jon Walters - 5 goals in 36 starts last season.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 14:00:00 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 27, 2014 14:00:00 GMT
Bojan - 5 goals in 32 starts last season. Jon Walters - 5 goals in 36 starts last season. On top of this Bojan has won champions leagues, la liga titles along with countless domestic trophies. Along with these achievements he has played for both the most successful team of all time and has been part of of the most successful national team squad of all time. Walters has spent the majority of his career in the lower leagues of English football and playing the odd game for Ireland while more recently becoming notable for scoring own goals, missing penalties and kicking the ball in his own face. Not only does he demonstrate these unfortunate traits consistently but he actually managed to accomplish them in a single game. He does however run around a lot and works aaaaaard.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 14:03:05 GMT
Post by lordb on Jul 27, 2014 14:03:05 GMT
Friendlies are just 'run outs' Form,formations,players out of position,big wins,silly defeats,all to be ignored. So Hughes just pulled the players to play out of a hat then and gave them absolutely no instruction on what he wanted them to do? I can't see what he was trying to achieve by playing Ireland specifically (and it was) where he did. Seen enough friendlies to think that's not far off reality. Don't read anything into them,not a thing.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 14:07:36 GMT
Post by lordb on Jul 27, 2014 14:07:36 GMT
Does anyone actually think he'll start? Not straight away or at least not every game. He needs to be eased in. Premier League is a shock for foreign players & especially so for such a slight lad who had lost his way footballing-wise.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 14:23:34 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 27, 2014 14:23:34 GMT
Does anyone actually think he'll start? Does anyone think a guy aged 23 who has played over 100 times for arguably the best team of all time ahead of the likes of Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Thierry Henry will start for Stoke? I dunno tough one isn't it. I don't think he will to start with, he's had a couple of slow seasons since his time in Barcas team, and he'll have to get up to speed with the prem, I don't think we'll see him thrown in straight away.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 27, 2014 14:29:29 GMT
It will be interesting to see what the commentators call Bojan on Radio & T.V commentry. Bojan. Krkic or Bojan Krkic? I reckon it'll be Bojan & it'll be the first time any of our players have been called by their first name during comnmentry. That's when we know we have truly made it. Tuncay
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 14:30:06 GMT
Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 27, 2014 14:30:06 GMT
Does anyone think a guy aged 23 who has played over 100 times for arguably the best team of all time ahead of the likes of Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Thierry Henry will start for Stoke? I dunno tough one isn't it. I don't think he will to start with, he's had a couple of slow seasons since his time in Barcas team, and he'll have to get up to speed with the prem, I don't think we'll see him thrown in straight away. I don't think he would have started yesterday had he not been in Hughes starting xi plans. In fact I don't think we'd have seen him at all if he wanted to ease him into the set up.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 14:42:15 GMT
Post by arnieforpresident on Jul 27, 2014 14:42:15 GMT
I don't think he will to start with, he's had a couple of slow seasons since his time in Barcas team, and he'll have to get up to speed with the prem, I don't think we'll see him thrown in straight away. I don't think he would have started yesterday had he not been in Hughes starting xi plans. In fact I don't think we'd have seen him at all if he wanted to ease him into the set up. If he's apparantly low on confidence the last thing he is going to do is throw him straight in at the deep end regardless of what he has won. Giving the start of the season to Ireland would be a better option for multiple reasons. Firstly Ireland played pretty well last season it's really his shirt to lose and continue to play well for & it's up to Bojan to knock him off that perch as a less pressured substitute. It says to Bojan he isn't the big fish in the small pond and it's up to all the team to get results not just him. It also allows him to integrate to the pace of this league at his own pace & with a 4 year contract i'm sure it won't take him 12 month. Well that's how i'd do it anyway.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 14:44:53 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 27, 2014 14:44:53 GMT
I don't think he would have started yesterday had he not been in Hughes starting xi plans. In fact I don't think we'd have seen him at all if he wanted to ease him into the set up. If he's apparantly low on confidence the last thing he is going to do is throw him straight in at the deep end regardless of what he has won. Giving the start of the season to Ireland would be a better option for multiple reasons. Firstly Ireland played pretty well last season it's really his shirt to lose and continue to play well for & it's up to Bojan to knock him off that perch as a less pressured substitute. It says to Bojan he isn't the big fish in the small pond and it's up to all the team to get results not just him. It also allows him to integrate to the pace of this league at his own pace & with a 4 year contract i'm sure it won't take him 12 month. Well that's how i'd do it anyway. Back in the old days under Pulis id imagine that would be the case see Tuncay. Hughes has a different mentality.
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